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Jul 14, 2013 9:58 PM
#651
| Wai, another show where you can't become attached to any character. bleh |
Jul 14, 2013 10:13 PM
#652
| After playing the game recently, watching the anime feels like a recap as the atmosphere seems to have been attenuated due to the fast pacing. Primarily, the investigation scene bluntly skipped to the key points, cutting the interactions with the characters. Perhaps the show would be better if it did not try to simulate the feel of the game; this anime is merely a sample. I would highly suggest playing the game if you want the full feel of the story and characters. |
Jul 14, 2013 11:47 PM
#653
| 2 characters dead, 2 seiyuus gone ;_; |
Jul 14, 2013 11:52 PM
#654
| so far i like this anime, its very interesting. I look forward to interesting twists that will hopefully be thrown in |
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Jul 15, 2013 1:29 AM
#655
| I think Junko needs a spin off series.. |
Jul 15, 2013 7:28 AM
#657
| This show is really picking up! Enjoyed this one a lot more than the first ep. Excited for the trial next week! |
Jul 15, 2013 8:16 AM
#658
| I can't wait for more episodes! This is getting very good *_* I love detective play... The pink blood fits the overall atmosphere of the show really well so I like it :D Just thinking about the trials is getting me excited. I don't play the game so I'm glad they don't show extensive investigation because I'd rather be enlightened as to who the culprit is rather than making it too obvious before the trial. (though I must admit...that one clue is a pretty big give away...but there's probably more to it than what I could guess so all is good) |
Jul 15, 2013 8:33 AM
#659
| alright, who's next ? ps : but that incongruous pinky blood is just silly, I mean, this is a psychological anime, instead of censoring it they altered the blood's color ? what a strange decision |
ranzeroJul 15, 2013 8:37 AM
Jul 15, 2013 9:36 AM
#660
ranzero said: what a strange decision A decision which made them more noteworthy (than just being another murder mystery game) and people wasn't bothered by this art style direction. The sequel got the same thing and same kind of successful reception |
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Jul 15, 2013 11:18 AM
#662
ranzero said: Alter?? OK, it is a psychological anime, but you are dead wrong about the pinky blood is a result of "altering" because the pinky blood is the same as the game!!! There is no censor, no alteration. Strange decision?? More like a decision to stay faithful to the game which is hardly strange. Perhaps you should check around before calling something silly if you do not want to be treated as a troll. ps : but that incongruous pinky blood is just silly, I mean, this is a psychological anime, instead of censoring it they altered the blood's color ? what a strange decision Anyway, this is the image from the game. The recreation of it in the anime is very faithful. ![]() |
symbvJul 15, 2013 11:22 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Jul 15, 2013 11:22 AM
#663
symbv said: ranzero said: Censor?? Alter?? You are dead wrong because the pinky blood is the same as the game!!! There is no censor, no alteration. Strange decision?? More like a decision to stay faithful to the game which is hardly strange. Perhaps you should check around before calling something silly if you do not want to be treated as a troll. ps : but that incongruous pinky blood is just silly, I mean, this is a psychological anime, instead of censoring it they altered the blood's color ? what a strange decision Anyway, this is the image from the game. The recreation of it in the anime is very faithful. ![]() Its not even just the deat image, almost every unique image form the game is recreated. its a very faithful adaptation with what translates, its just they should have kept in more dialogue between characters |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Jul 15, 2013 11:59 AM
#664
| the op's great. this swapping room thing was so suspicious to me. and of course something happened then! unfortunately i already knew she'd die, but at the same time i'm glad she's the first one because now i don't know anything else about the storyline. (i hope it'll stay that way and people won't forget to add spoiler buttons. or maybe i'll just have to stop reading the discussion threads because i'm pretty sure sooner or later i'll find spoilers /sigh) i also already read that the blood will most likely be pink and i have to admit i kind of like it. at least it's the same in the game. and omg, i just realized that sakura is a girl!? i was wondering why "he"'s wearing a skirt and then i checked "his" character page and wow. that's unexpected. i was so sure it's a guy. i guess i'm pretty late with that relaization, haha. welp. BUT YUNKO! don't take my favorites away from me! D: now i just have two left ;___; (but i don't believe she's dead. it was too sudden. or maybe i'm just in denial, ahem.) |
Jul 15, 2013 12:25 PM
#665
| pink blood looks awesome |
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Jul 15, 2013 1:53 PM
#666
Jul 15, 2013 5:04 PM
#667
| FInally decided to start watching it and I like it. Maybe I'll get the game once it comes out in English. Anyways, the culprit is obvious and left two red herrings. Well, seeing as this is the introductory case, it makes sense why the case is this easy. I expect that the cases will get harder as the anime goes on. |
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Jul 15, 2013 5:15 PM
#668
CreationBreaker said: FInally decided to start watching it and I like it. Maybe I'll get the game once it comes out in English. There is an english patch out, that you can use to play. |
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Jul 15, 2013 5:30 PM
#669
| I'm very pleased with those who died. I did not like them at all. *applauds* |
Jul 15, 2013 6:16 PM
#671
| OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) |
Jul 15, 2013 7:32 PM
#672
Otakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) there's not a single loop hole in anything you said, u just didn't understand the rules, everyone BUT THE KILLER get's killed, and if you don't want to get spoiled wait till the last eps to answer your other questions, and obviously he will try to prove he's inocent... |
Jul 15, 2013 8:02 PM
#673
| Well personally I'm not too into the pink blood thing. For some it might be trivial, but I want to see real blood in a murder. As for staying true to that game that's fine and it makes plenty more sense for them to do it that way. I'm probably going to stick with this to the end, but so far I'm not too happy with it. |
aceofwar20Jul 15, 2013 8:07 PM
Jul 15, 2013 8:02 PM
#674
| So do they come back alive later? I notice some of the people that played the game liked Junko, but she died like that, lol. |
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Jul 15, 2013 10:22 PM
#675
MelbShaw said: So do they come back alive later? I notice some of the people that played the game liked Junko, but she died like that, lol. No characters are actually dead for good, Junko was in a prequel book and like alot of the dead characters in this game they end up playing more of a role dead than they do alive sometimes, Add a tiny bit of over rated and thats where her popularity comes form If you saw a character die they are actually dead |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Jul 15, 2013 10:28 PM
#676
Otakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. The majority vote part is very subtle. I don't blame anyone for misreading it. The only part I added in that wasn't explained was the tallied votes section. |
Jul 15, 2013 10:31 PM
#677
MrOCD said: I am simply astonished people cant comprehend this, not for any reasons other than, its literally spelled out for you with illustrations and someone talking you through itOtakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. Thats pre- pre-school stuff right there |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Jul 15, 2013 10:50 PM
#678
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MrOCD said: I am simply astonished people cant comprehend this, not for any reasons other than, its literally spelled out for you with illustrations and someone talking you through itOtakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. Thats pre- pre-school stuff right there I seriously agree. It's so simply explained and the class trials have such a simple system that I can't comprehend how people don't understand it. |
Jul 15, 2013 11:09 PM
#679
KuroneDLC said: DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MrOCD said: I am simply astonished people cant comprehend this, not for any reasons other than, its literally spelled out for you with illustrations and someone talking you through itOtakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. Thats pre- pre-school stuff right there I seriously agree. It's so simply explained and the class trials have such a simple system that I can't comprehend how people don't understand it. I've said it once and I'll say it again, Danganronpa is #2deep4them No honestly, I don't get it either. The anime did a fine job at explaining it. The subs were clear and the fucking illustrations too.. just.. I don't get it either, sorry. |
Jul 16, 2013 7:17 AM
#680
ihateeveryone said: KuroneDLC said: DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MrOCD said: I am simply astonished people cant comprehend this, not for any reasons other than, its literally spelled out for you with illustrations and someone talking you through itOtakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. Thats pre- pre-school stuff right there I seriously agree. It's so simply explained and the class trials have such a simple system that I can't comprehend how people don't understand it. I've said it once and I'll say it again, Danganronpa is #2deep4them No honestly, I don't get it either. The anime did a fine job at explaining it. The subs were clear and the fucking illustrations too.. just.. I don't get it either, sorry. If they don't get it, it's their own fault for being unable to comprehend something as well explained as that. The anime did a really good job of explaining how the Class Trial works, it's their own stupidity preventing them from understanding it if they don't. |
Jul 16, 2013 7:30 AM
#681
aceofwar20 said: Well personally I'm not too into the pink blood thing. For some it might be trivial, but I want to see real blood in a murder. As for staying true to that game that's fine and it makes plenty more sense for them to do it that way. I'm probably going to stick with this to the end, but so far I'm not too happy with it. Go back to the 90s and you will see... I wish detective conan still had red blood instead of coffee too |
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Jul 16, 2013 8:00 AM
#682
masserati94 said: ihateeveryone said: KuroneDLC said: DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MrOCD said: I am simply astonished people cant comprehend this, not for any reasons other than, its literally spelled out for you with illustrations and someone talking you through itOtakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. Thats pre- pre-school stuff right there I seriously agree. It's so simply explained and the class trials have such a simple system that I can't comprehend how people don't understand it. I've said it once and I'll say it again, Danganronpa is #2deep4them No honestly, I don't get it either. The anime did a fine job at explaining it. The subs were clear and the fucking illustrations too.. just.. I don't get it either, sorry. If they don't get it, it's their own fault for being unable to comprehend something as well explained as that. The anime did a really good job of explaining how the Class Trial works, it's their own stupidity preventing them from understanding it if they don't. I'm curious. Why is it that we were able to figure out how the Class Trials worked, and they didn't? Let's take stupidity out of the factor, because the last thing I want to do is scare away potential fans. Frankly, I think we are being too rash about it. I think I can understand how maybe one could possibility think that way? Maybe it's possible from the choices of words used is what's confusing people. I'll quote word-for-word from UTW's fan subtitles: "In these trials, you'll have a chance to debate who the murder(er) is." "If you correctly identify the culprit, he'll be punished for disturbing the law and order of this place." "However, if you get it wrong, all of the innocent students will be punished instead." ... "all" Edit: The word "you" can be either singular or plural. But it wouldn't matter because even if the 3rd line's "you" is singular, it would mean that if one person, assuming it is referring to the group of innocent, votes incorrectly, all of the innocent students will be punished. A loophole would be created if it's referring to all students including the culprit. That itself would make the Class Trial and debating pointless. No matter how much they debate, the culprit will always vote on someone else. And if the rules were referring to all students aside from the culprit, then it would be too easy to win the Class Trials every time. How? Each of the innocent students will vote for the student to the left of them. This will guarantee 100% win rate. GG. Monokuma, your rules suck. So no, the "you" is not plural, or at least not all (innocent) students. I would understand if people misunderstood and thought of that part as a loophole, but how did one come up with the idea that not all innocents will get punished? 2nd Edit: Reading the rules stated over and over. No matter what, ALL innocent will be punished when at least one of the innocent votes incorrectly. In combination of the 2nd rule, it would just make it possible for all parties to be punished. I can only see 3 outcomes: 1. An innocent votes correctly, but all the rest don't. All of the innocent will be punished along with the culprit. 2. All of the innocent vote correctly. No one but the culprit will be punished. 3. All of the innocent vote incorrectly. All of the innocent will be punished. The culprit gets to "graduate." The only part that doesn't get expanded upon is the fact that it's supposed to be done by majority vote. So it's the anime's fault for making it look like a much more strict rule. Perhaps Monokuma will elaborate that it will be majority vote in the Class Trial. This is just a stretch. Because the rules are so bad in everyone's favor, one could possibly assume the "you" to mean "many of you" which could then make it an entirely new context. It being majority vote, but I'd doubt most people could get that. Yeah, I'm working hard to be devil's advocate. Le sigh. |
MrOCDJul 16, 2013 11:34 AM
Jul 16, 2013 8:38 AM
#683
MrOCD said: masserati94 said: ihateeveryone said: KuroneDLC said: DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MrOCD said: I am simply astonished people cant comprehend this, not for any reasons other than, its literally spelled out for you with illustrations and someone talking you through itOtakugirl3 said: OK imo there are a lot of loopholes and explanation needed... so if an innocent person is accused does that mean that everyone is killed except for the murderer and the innocent person? And will they both be set free? (should've asked monobear that question) and when it comes down to two people what will happen? A deathmatch? And if the main character was smart enough to realize he was being framed he wouldn't try as hard to prove his innocence, because if they accuse him they all die and he gets freed(maybe?) For a better understanding of the Class Trial, the information within the spoiler below will tell us exactly how finding the culprit works. DenjaX said: 1. Okay, let's assume there are 6 people in the trial to fit with the images below. If a person is killed, they will hold a Class Trial and debate on finding who the real culprit is. There are 2 objectives for the trial: a. The ones who are innocent must find who the culprit is. Each person, including the real culprit, will send out their votes on who they think is guilty of killing the current victim. b. The real culprit should avoid suspicion and mislead others into thinking the culprit is someone other than themselves. ![]() 2. The Class Trial results are based on majority vote. Majority vote means to have the highest tallied number of votes on a single person. Of course, the real culprit has to vote, so they may choose to vote on someone else. In the image below, the culprit receives 5 votes. Receiving 5 out of 6 votes would make them guilty by majority vote. ![]() 3. The real culprit will then get executed while the ones who are innocent will have their lives spared. ![]() 4. The image below shows us an innocent being targeted as guilty for killing. For the real culprit to succeed, the culprit has to lead others into voting on someone other than the culprit themselves. They may choose not to voice out their observation. Objecting to something that is “obvious,” or saying something no one should know about may cause them to become suspect. Either way, not contributing may also make them suspect. ![]() 5. The real culprit will be allowed to “Graduate,” allowing them to leave the school as long as they are able to avoid the guilty verdict. Everyone on the innocent side will be executed regardless of whether they have voted on the real culprit or not. ![]() Note: Even if fewer people were to vote on the real culprit, they will STILL die because the real culprit did not receive the highest number of votes than anyone else. So they have to make sure their votes are right, hence the debate in the Class Trial. Their lives are on the line after all. You can blame either the anime for not having an easier way of explaining it, or... well, yourself. Thats pre- pre-school stuff right there I seriously agree. It's so simply explained and the class trials have such a simple system that I can't comprehend how people don't understand it. I've said it once and I'll say it again, Danganronpa is #2deep4them No honestly, I don't get it either. The anime did a fine job at explaining it. The subs were clear and the fucking illustrations too.. just.. I don't get it either, sorry. If they don't get it, it's their own fault for being unable to comprehend something as well explained as that. The anime did a really good job of explaining how the Class Trial works, it's their own stupidity preventing them from understanding it if they don't. I'm curious. Why is it that we were able to figure out how the Class Trials worked, and they didn't? Let's take stupidity out of the factor, because the last thing I want to do is scare away potential fans. Frankly, I think we are being too rash about it. I think I can understand how maybe one could possibility think that way? Maybe it's possible from the choices of words used is what's confusing people. I'll quote word-for-word from UTW's fan subtitles: "In these trials, you'll have a chance to debate who the murder(er) is." "If you correctly identify the culprit, he'll be punished for disturbing the law and order of this place." "However, if you get it wrong, all of the innocent students will be punished instead." ... "all" The word "you" can be either singular or plural. But it wouldn't matter because even if the 3rd line's "you" is singular, it would mean that if one person, assuming it is referring to the group of innocent, votes incorrectly, all of the innocent students will be punished. A loophole would be created if it's referring to all students including the culprit. That itself would make the rule rather dumb. I would understand if people misunderstood and thought that part as a loophole, but how did one come up with the idea that not all innocents will get punished? ... Edit: Before I say my share of how much I lost faith in humanity, I kinda want you (the ones who misunderstood) guys to explain the context of what Monokuma said. In all fairness, stupidity was probably not the best word I could have used to sum it up, but still, it's surprising to see how many people haven't actually gotten it. |
Jul 16, 2013 8:45 AM
#684
masserati94 said: In all fairness, stupidity was probably not the best word I could have used to sum it up, but still, it's surprising to see how many people haven't actually gotten it. You are right, even I was being rash. But you know? I got even more upset while I was editing and explaining this and that after typing "Stupidity out of the factor" down. What I'm saying is, I would have said much worse now after all that editing. |
MrOCDJul 16, 2013 9:23 AM
Jul 16, 2013 3:15 PM
#685
| Honestly, I very strongly believe I know who did the crime, but I will not say my prediction, since if it is correct(which I believe 97.89%), then it will be a spoiler. On another note, I am getting sick of waiting for the next episode, I don't know why, but I'm hooked to this anime. |
TomangoJul 16, 2013 3:25 PM
Jul 16, 2013 3:36 PM
#686
avengersaint said: Honestly, I very strongly believe I know who did the crime, but I will not say my prediction, since if it is correct(which I believe 97.89%), then it will be a spoiler. On another note, I am getting sick of waiting for the next episode, I don't know why, but I'm hooked to this anime. You COULD post your theory in the separate discussion thread that's exactly for this kind of thing, (which makes me really happy, I'm glad people are talking about their theories for it) and then you wouldn't need to worry about spoiling it for the people in the episode discussion thread if you are right. |
Jul 16, 2013 8:57 PM
#687
| This is being quite faithful so fair, but imo the pace is far too fast. There's barely any time to process what's going on before something else is being thrown at you. Curious about what anime-only viewers' opinions will end up being versus those who've completed the game. They're really hammering you on the head with hints, too. Notsomuch evidence hints (which are actually pretty much non-existent, apart from the writing on the wall, which was a very obvious clue to english-speakers in the game as well, But hell, I'm just happy to see these guys animated, and so true to their game selves at that. Loving Togami in particular, looking forward to seeing his future lack of fuck-giving. ("Well, at the very least this means Enoshima isn't the culprit." Gotta love his eternal practicality) Curious that they left the blood pink. After all, those rating-restrictions (the reason the blood is pink in the game) don't apply to anime, do they? Well, it's part of its charm, I guess. Looking forward to the trial, that'll be the make-or-break moment for the anime. |
QuothTheRavenJul 16, 2013 9:00 PM
Jul 17, 2013 5:29 AM
#688
QuothTheRaven said: There's barely any time to process what's going on before something else is being thrown at you. Curious about what anime-only viewers' opinions will end up being versus those who've completed the game. Seeing this thread, http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=630713 I think the non-gamers have all the time in the world to process things. Processing the anime isn't done while it's still airing, it's also done after it airs. With streaming and downloading episodes there's no reason to not re-watch it for the sake of processing. It's not like "Oops, the episode is over, must stop thinking about that episode now or my brain will explode." See this is why I watch animes weekly, there's this waiting time before the next episodes air, which is pretty enough time for thought processing. Once again, blood pink is now the staple even if the fact it was to avoid adult ratings. It's now one of the things that makes dangan ronpa, DANGAN RONPA. |
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Jul 17, 2013 6:54 AM
#689
kaimax said: Seeing this thread, http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=630713 I think the non-gamers have all the time in the world to process things. Processing the anime isn't done while it's still airing, it's also done after it airs. Yeah, I suppose that's fair. Seems I underestimated what you could deduce strictly from the anime, there's certainly no lack of theories floating around. Fun to see. |
Jul 17, 2013 7:34 AM
#690
| Loved the new Episode, the OST was brilliant, I'm not surprised though, thought it would be ever since the start, can't wait for more! :D |
Jul 17, 2013 7:43 AM
#691
| I don't know what's going in this thread but I am digging this show. |
TheJareBoxJul 17, 2013 7:48 AM
Jul 17, 2013 7:34 PM
#692
| I think having the numbers spelling out Leon is too obvious??? I;m excited to see what happens next ;a;a; |
Jul 18, 2013 3:59 AM
#693
dannyk93 said: I think having the numbers spelling out Leon is too obvious??? ; If you think that way, it's because it's just chapter 1 in the game, it's still the "tutorial level". Though there will be something more deep about Sayaka writing 11037 |
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Jul 18, 2013 4:19 AM
#694
TheJareBox said: I don't know what's going in this thread but I am digging this show. I dont know either .... but I'm having lots of laughs reading most of the posts . Joking , I know what's happening . We are at theater now where those who know act like they dont and those who really dont know are making laughable assumptions. If I'd give the acting a mark would be 5/10 . |
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Jul 18, 2013 4:26 AM
#695
Jul 18, 2013 6:29 AM
#696
DPXJube said: Because I KNOW it's gonna be the subject of debate Let's just remember something The Japanese do not speak English and thus certain THINGS that may be obvious to someone who speaks and reads English will not be to the Japanese This So new fans DO NOT bitch about how easy the first trial is. That's as easy as its gonna get. /person who read the lets play of the video game |
Jul 18, 2013 12:36 PM
#697
Jul 18, 2013 4:39 PM
#698
Jul 18, 2013 5:45 PM
#699
| Wow, second episode and two people have already died. Idol and fashion girl. Seems like this show will have the ED fill up quite a bit near the end; like the opposite of Devil Summoner's, haha. Makoto is getting annoying fast. "Only Sayaka and myself know that I am innocent!" Well no shit Sherlock but if you are the only one still alive, no one's going to believe you. So the only clue we viewers have is the number Sayaka left behind? Is it like hex code or leet-speak or something? Room numbers? |
Jul 19, 2013 12:59 PM
#700
| Why the cute girls have to die first? And I'm kinda surprise of how stupid the crowd seems to be. Really guys, there's a murder that have been occured in a room, and you suspect the room's owner? Yeah sure, if you did a crime and it is specified not to be discovered as the murderer, you'll kill your target in you own room and let her body there, of course. I'm curious to see how they'll find out who did this. |
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