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Sep 3, 2017 8:39 AM

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Swagernator said:
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now that berserker is dead i barely have any reason to watch this trash anymore

What a reason for dropping a show lol.


exactly thats why it isnt dropped
Sep 3, 2017 9:45 AM

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Smudy said:
I have problems with this episode, majorly two of them:

Mordred is able to tank Frankenstein's NF without problem, even if it was command spell boosted, that was too much of a power level issue for me. That's just a problem of mine though.

Sieg dies and gets revived and it's being explained as a miracle basically (he was stabbed right fucking through the heart, come on now).

Mordred's getting more unlikable by the episodes for me and like i said before, it's NOT helping that she's about to take out Astolfo. Rooting for Sieg(fried) in this case got very easy for me now even though i don't like the fact how his revival was explained. I hope that Mordred doesn't get much more exposure.

It was still entertaining though and that's what matters most to me in this show.


i'm seeing a lot of people calling plot armor on Mordred, when I don't think it is. Fran's master used a command spell to boost her NP. Mordred's master used a command spell to boost her defense.

And without command spells on either side I think it's very reasonable that Mordred could tank it. Lancelot's armor let him tank a hit from Via Expugnatio. Mordred's armor and Lancelot's should be about equal. They have the same rank in Endurance. Plus Mordred has battle continuation.

Via Expugnatio default rank is higher than Blasted Tree's

Also let's be real if it was not for Sieg and Astolfo Mordred would have already killed Fren when she stebbed her in the gut. She would have noticed her not vanishing and finished her off. Fran got the jump on Mordred in a 3v1 situation

I fail to see how this makes Mordred "unlikable" The black team is trying to kill her and she is out numbered. What do you want her to do bake them a cake?

Sieg's self rez is BS tho.
Sep 3, 2017 9:59 AM

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the amount of people that doesn't know a shit about each story of each Heroic spirit (in both, Fate universe and other Stories) is disturbing me lmao. this people should stay away from the Fate series because they simply wouldn't understand anything

that aside, amazing episode... RIP Fran-chan ;_; and mordred is really strong
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Sep 3, 2017 10:27 AM

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Solid episode.

I don't have a problem with the trajectory of the battles themselves, but I think this series is increasingly having a problem with impact. Perhaps it's the sloppier animation quality. Perhaps it's the fact that action scenes are now saturating the show. But I didn't feel nearly as much tension and excitement as I did for earlier episodes and that almost seems counterintuitive now that fighting is in full swing.

In other news, RIP Fran. Given how Spartacus and Siegfried both returned in some shape or form, Fran appears to be the first real casualty.
Sep 3, 2017 10:33 AM

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I guess even heroes don't deserve the fateful death! RIP FRAN!!

Modred is too OP!
Where is Karna?????
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Sep 3, 2017 10:45 AM

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dasprn said:

Where is Karna?????


Still fighting Vlad.
Most of these fights are actually happening almost at the same time
Sep 3, 2017 11:13 AM

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Unlike some certain other Saber we know, Mordred truely lives to the whole ''Saber class strongest class''-thing
Sep 3, 2017 11:18 AM
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Berserker vs Rider! Very intense battle, gonna be sad because of Berserker she was really interesting. Saber vs Saber was really cool, I mean it was so dumb that a Homunculus can fusion with Siegfried
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Sep 3, 2017 11:28 AM

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A good episode.
Mordrer is really strong, I really her and her master.
Sad to see Fran go, her and her master were a good duo.
Nice to see Sieg show a little more personnality.
Sep 3, 2017 11:52 AM

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R.I.P Fran. What a pity she had to be the first true death of this Grail War, just after the brainwashing of the previous episode ;_;

If Sieg becoming OP means we will still hearing Suwabe's voice, I'm fine.
Sep 3, 2017 12:12 PM

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It sucks that Fran had to die, but her noble phantasm was pretty epic though. Despite that, it wasn't enough to kill Mordred.

Astolfo is thankfully still alive and this episode has made me like him more now. =)

As for Sieg, his transformation into Siegfried was pretty interesting, but at least it leads to the fights between him and Mordred that we saw in episode 1. I'm interested to see who'll win between the two of them.

Nice episode overall. =D
Sep 3, 2017 12:18 PM

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Very entertaining episode as the battles continue, and the NP clash between the 2 Sabers at the end was hype. RIP Frankenstein.

jbeat said:
I'm really hoping Rider of the Black doesn't die. I really like her too.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Rider of Black is a guy lol.
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People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime.

Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait.

Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords.


Sep 3, 2017 12:22 PM
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Mordred is really a beast...1vs 3 and easily won...best character of all...and is the fight in the end the one we saw in the first ep?
Sep 3, 2017 12:45 PM
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Well that's it for Frankenstein..........so two Sabers faced off.
Sep 3, 2017 12:45 PM

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I really don't understand why people like Mordred. What the fuck is wrong with people?

-She just a clinically retarded edgy asshole and also filthy, disgusting monster which was born from the incestuous relationship between two women.

-She has the mentality of a 2 year old mentally handicapped child

-She is a fathercon (a women).

-She is a selfish, egocentric brute.

-She doesn't care 'about anything anything but his generic wish to pull the sword from the stone and prove to her father (a woman) that she is worthy to be king, She also doesn't care about people around her (even a king should worries about their people as they are a part of their kingdom as even Gil understands this as they belong to him).

-She pursues a street cat in the middle of a busy city in broad daylight as though it was a retarded irrational animal.

-She mocks a hero dying for what he believes in.

-She scorns at the kind of sacrifice of Siegfried or Astolfo's principles

-She is easily provoked over silly things.

-She gets angry quickly and cries very easily over silly things.

-His master is a coward and pitiful guy, he gets scared and flees from the battlefield leaving her behind.


To be honest, she is the most generic and stereotypical character of the show, and it also doesn't help that she has an unrealistic backstory, a generic wish and a stupid motive, besides having a shit personality, but nobody cares, because she's a waifushit. The thing you need to remember is hat most of the current Fate fans only care about ''waifus'', ''servant waifu wars'' and '' pointless random battles''.

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Also, Astolfo remains best girl. She's optimal girlfriend material.



Lol you know astolfo is a boy right? sorry to crush your dreams
Sep 3, 2017 12:48 PM
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So how exactly was jack in earlier episodes capable of fighting Mordred on more even terms (without using command spells) while Berserker and Rider barely could make a dent on her without resorting to their NB's?

Considering Jack is also a third grade servant who only could be situationally strong with her NB.
Sep 3, 2017 12:50 PM
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Amazing episode, but does anyone know Kotomine Shirou's soundtrack? (When he was talking about possession n' stuff). Please I really want it :((
Sep 3, 2017 12:53 PM

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Why in this series use "hogu" instead of "noble phantasm". Does it means something?
Sep 3, 2017 12:58 PM

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frenze12 said:
So how exactly was jack in earlier episodes capable of fighting Mordred on more even terms (without using command spells) while Berserker and Rider barely could make a dent on her without resorting to their NB's?

Considering Jack is also a third grade servant who only could be situationally strong with her NB.
I don't think Jack ever fought Modred head on. She used a hit and run tactic. They were about to clash but Chiron interfered
Sep 3, 2017 1:09 PM

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vivianme said:
Why in this series use "hogu" instead of "noble phantasm". Does it means something?

Hougu IS Noble Phantasm.

It has never been said in katakana as in Nouburu Fantazumu.


Rainful said:

Lol you know astolfo is a boy right? sorry to crush your dreams


I suggest not talking to that guy. He's a straight-up troll and starts insulting anyone who remotely disagrees with him.
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Sep 3, 2017 1:50 PM
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If Shirou Kotomine was controlling Mordred, the battle would had been more interesting.
Sep 3, 2017 1:55 PM

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FGO is ruining this experience for me..... the entire time they were fighting, all that I had in my head was "We have two 4 star servants going up against a 5 star (Seig hadn't transformed yet)... this is never gonna work...." >:P

You gotta feel for Caules though, he did everything in his power to support Fran-chan's decision to go berserk and let loose on Mordred, but in the end even that was not enough.

The big question I have now is: So how many Command Seals did Sishigo use just now? The way Caules was lamenting his forgetfulness made it seem like one was used to defend Mordred from Fran-chan's Noble Phantasm, whilst he also used one when he unlocked her limiters for the Seig-fried fight....

And judging by Shirou's contempt and monologue.... nevermind......... I'm betting it'd be spoilers.
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Sep 3, 2017 2:18 PM

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L-Ryoshi said:

The big question I have now is: So how many Command Seals did Sishigo use just now? The way Caules was lamenting his forgetfulness made it seem like one was used to defend Mordred from Fran-chan's Noble Phantasm, whilst he also used one when he unlocked her limiters for the Seig-fried fight....


Correct. He used one to save Mordred from Fran's NP and a second one to give her the power boost needed to actually damage Siegfried with his super defensive NP
Sep 3, 2017 2:24 PM

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frenze12 said:
So how exactly was jack in earlier episodes capable of fighting Mordred on more even terms (without using command spells) while Berserker and Rider barely could make a dent on her without resorting to their NB's?

Considering Jack is also a third grade servant who only could be situationally strong with her NB.

She didn't land any damaging attacks on Mordred, but she is much faster, and at home in her fog. Rider was already hurt and exhausted from fighting Semiramis, and Riders tend to be weaker at hand-to-hand combat compared to knight classes, their specialty is strong Noble Phantasms. Plus Astolfo didn't want to fight at full power because that would leech the homunculi to death and he didn't know Sieg helped them escape. Fran just isn't really meant for the battlefield to begin with.
Sep 3, 2017 2:25 PM

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Ginobi said:
I really don't understand why people like Mordred. What the fuck is wrong with people?

-She just a clinically retarded edgy asshole and also filthy, disgusting monster which was born from the incestuous relationship between two women.

-She has the mentality of a 2 year old mentally handicapped child

-She is a fathercon (a women).

-She is a selfish, egocentric brute.

-She doesn't care 'about anything anything but his generic wish to pull the sword from the stone and prove to her father (a woman) that she is worthy to be king, She also doesn't care about people around her (even a king should worries about their people as they are a part of their kingdom as even Gil understands this as they belong to him).

-She pursues a street cat in the middle of a busy city in broad daylight as though it was a retarded irrational animal.

-She mocks a hero dying for what he believes in.

-She scorns at the kind of sacrifice of Siegfried or Astolfo's principles

-She is easily provoked over silly things.

-She gets angry quickly and cries very easily over silly things.

-His master is a coward and pitiful guy, he gets scared and flees from the battlefield leaving her behind.
because she is a raw diamond waifu material... like her father but with more tsundere enhancers
And this is war. If you cant stand it, go watch something else

Aside of that :
RIP FrankenMOE
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Sep 3, 2017 2:32 PM

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L-Ryoshi said:
FGO is ruining this experience for me..... the entire time they were fighting, all that I had in my head was "We have two 4 star servants going up against a 5 star (Seig hadn't transformed yet)... this is never gonna work...." >:P


Well, in FGO terms Fran is a Berserker so she should be able to do damage lol

L-Ryoshi said:
The big question I have now is: So how many Command Seals did Sishigo use just now? The way Caules was lamenting his forgetfulness made it seem like one was used to defend Mordred from Fran-chan's Noble Phantasm, whilst he also used one when he unlocked her limiters for the Seig-fried fight....


That's right, he used two: one to save Mordred and the other to boost her in the fight with Sieg(fried)


L-Ryoshi said:
And judging by Shirou's contempt and monologue.... nevermind......... I'm betting it'd be spoilers.


Yeah, Shirou's words are hint/foreshadowing for his point of view and other stuff
Sep 3, 2017 2:37 PM

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I'm still confused as to whether Astolfo is a male or female. And is it just me or is the Red Faction substantially stronger than the Black Faction? Losing Siegfried was a really big blow for the Black...
Sep 3, 2017 2:43 PM

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Is it just me or did I not like this episode one bit? Yeah, it was an intense fight and interesting to see, but the setup of who's fighting who was just wrong. The episode is less enjoyable when you see your favorite characters fighting each other and you already know who is gonna lose.

It just breaks my heart seeing Astolfo and Fran go against, out of all the servants, Saber of Red, Mordred. They obviously had no chance of winning against a Saber especially someone like Mordred who is overpowered and strong who shows no mercy. Mordred was already deemed victorious after fighting Astolfo. I'm glad he was safe at least.

As the episodes continued, I grew a dislike for Mordred, and this episode didn't make it any better. She just ruined the fun for me. Astolfo and Fran did so much, especially Fran, who unfortunately dies after using the remainder of her power and then we see Mordred who is still standing, barley hurt... but I won't complain any further about her, since I do not clearly understand her past but I can't seem to like her at this point. I might be salty that she won, but thats just me. The outcome of the fight wasn't a surprise and expected considering shes a saber, enough said.

Based on past fights, it looks like the Red Faction is dominating over the Black Faction in terms of power, but we'll have to wait and see the other fights. I honestly like the Black Faction more as they have created so many bonds between each other compared to the Red Faction, as if the Red faction doesn't have any feelings.. it's sad to see the Black Faction falling apart and the fight between Mordred and Sieg... hes done for thats for sure. I'm interested to see how the fight ends between the two, but I'm not expecting too much.
Sep 3, 2017 3:11 PM
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So fucking stupid. The servant that just killed another command spell-powered servant without breaking a sweat needs a command spell power-up and her np to even stand a chance against fucking sieg????? Am I watching dragon ball?
Should've just cut his head off while she still had the chance, although that probably wouldn't be enough to scratch him either. Now there's nothing left to stand against the awesome might of sieg.
Well Seigfried's armor completely nulifies attacks that are B-Rank and lower. Lore-wise, he's pretty OP.
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Sep 3, 2017 5:03 PM

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Couple of things people seem to have missed

- Sisigou used a Command Spell just like Caules did to defend Mordred, otherwise she would be dead right now.
- Mordred needs ANOTHER Command Spell to boost herself so that she can injure Siegfried because all B-Rank attacks and lower do NOTHING against him and Mordred strength is B Rank
- Sieg with Siegfried's power was overwhelming Mordred and he was not at full power since he doesn't have any prior experience fighting or in complete control of his powers. Heroic Spirit Siegfried would've destroyed her, showing his declaration in one of the earliest chapters when Vlad asks him if he could win against her and him nodding be confirmed (that's for those that were still in doubt of Siegfried > Mordred).

Looking forward to
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Rainful said:
forcestriker said:


To be honest, she is the most generic and stereotypical character of the show, and it also doesn't help that she has an unrealistic backstory, a generic wish and a stupid motive, besides having a shit personality, but nobody cares, because she's a waifushit. The thing you need to remember is hat most of the current Fate fans only care about ''waifus'', ''servant waifu wars'' and '' pointless random battles''.

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Also, Astolfo remains best girl. She's optimal girlfriend material.



Lol you know astolfo is a boy right? sorry to crush your dreams


There is absolutely nothing wrong with boys liking boys, girls liking girls, or either sex liking both genders. The heart wants what the heart wants. That's all there is to it really.



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A-1 Picture doesn't know what to do. if feels like there is so much plot there with a poor Direction. Cool fights but that's all, it feels empty and rushed now we are just back to ep 1 and literally nothing has happend. Ruler is pointless. i'm really disappointed as a fan of the franchise.


This is exactly how I feel, except I think the fights are horrible. A-1 Pictures should have never touched this to begin with. Berserker's Noble Phantasm looked so dumb (though her character wasn't too bad). All the fights keep jumping back and forth. In the fights, there's a lot of awkwardness and dodging.. it's so underwhelming. There's also a trap (Rider), a loli (Assassin), and Saber's character is getting annoying af. I prefer F/Z by a long shot.





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My prediction goes true, huh? Except i didnt expect Frankenstein to come at saber as well. But still dispatching them 3 vs 1 is too OP.

Contrary to others, i felt nothing when Fran used her NP and failed. I kinda expect Mordred would escape it, harmed or unscathed.

They really need to try more to make Sied much more likeable. I still dont like him.

Again... Is it wrong to have a badmouthing servant like Mordred? Is everyone have to be a good mannered one? Thats going to be cliche and boring. Finally seen her battle with Sieg, though its just teaser after Siegfried died.

Oh and poster girl Jeanne is missing.
My fav Atalanta missing too T^T

Fine episode i guess
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Ginobi said:
I really don't understand why people like Mordred. What the fuck is wrong with people?

-She just a clinically retarded edgy asshole and also filthy, disgusting monster which was born from the incestuous relationship between two women.

-She has the mentality of a 2 year old mentally handicapped child

-She is a fathercon (a women).

-She is a selfish, egocentric brute.

-She doesn't care 'about anything anything but his generic wish to pull the sword from the stone and prove to her father (a woman) that she is worthy to be king, She also doesn't care about people around her (even a king should worries about their people as they are a part of their kingdom as even Gil understands this as they belong to him).

-She pursues a street cat in the middle of a busy city in broad daylight as though it was a retarded irrational animal.

-She mocks a hero dying for what he believes in.

-She scorns at the kind of sacrifice of Siegfried or Astolfo's principles

-She is easily provoked over silly things.

-She gets angry quickly and cries very easily over silly things.

-His master is a coward and pitiful guy, he gets scared and flees from the battlefield leaving her behind.

Now read everything you typed. That's the reason.
Sep 3, 2017 7:56 PM

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YOOOOOOOO, EASILY BEST EPISODE OF THIS SHOW YET !!!!!!!!!

Next week come already please !

Sep 3, 2017 9:05 PM
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I'm still confused as to whether Astolfo is a male or female. And is it just me or is the Red Faction substantially stronger than the Black Faction? Losing Siegfried was a really big blow for the Black...
Well the Red Faction has literally the two strongest servants in the War, Karna and Achilles. Semiramis is very powerful in her own right along with Mordred. Really their only weak member is Shakespeare, but even he has his usefulness.
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Swagernator said:
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now that berserker is dead i barely have any reason to watch this trash anymore

What a reason for dropping a show lol.

Lol I low-key thought Frankenstein was trash
Sep 3, 2017 10:40 PM

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Great episode!
Up to now i am really hate Caster of Red, he's so annoying. I have just hoped someone should crush that thing!
Sep 4, 2017 1:01 AM

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Rip fran, fight scene of moedred and fran was good, sumanai upgrade didn't look cool though. So where getting lots of moedred hate :^0
Sep 4, 2017 2:06 AM

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Couple of things people seem to have missed

- Sisigou used a Command Spell just like Caules did to defend Mordred, otherwise she would be dead right now.
- Mordred needs ANOTHER Command Spell to boost herself so that she can injure Siegfried because all B-Rank attacks and lower do NOTHING against him and Mordred strength is B Rank
- Sieg with Siegfried's power was overwhelming Mordred and he was not at full power since he doesn't have any prior experience fighting or in complete control of his powers. Heroic Spirit Siegfried would've destroyed her, showing his declaration in one of the earliest chapters when Vlad asks him if he could win against her and him nodding be confirmed (that's for those that were still in doubt of Siegfried > Mordred).

Looking forward to

While I definitely believe OG Siegfried would destroy Mordred, in the prologue, the novel explicitly shows Mordred overwhelming Siegfried(as in Sied-Siegfried).

Also I feel like that spoiler will have a cliffhanger 2 eps from now, then actually happen on the 3rd ep.
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Everyone that's complaining about everything like spoiled brats should honestly just leave and stop watching the show, its obvious you dislike it for whatever inane reason(s), so get out already. Nobody here cares aside from the other idiots in your circlejerk.
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That saber on saber action was the fight I was waiting for but I'm still confused how sieg was able to get possessed let alone survive that Nobel phantasm from berserker.
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how sieg was able to get possessed let alone survive that Nobel phantasm from berserker.


He has Siegfried's heart, and forced a miracle by using a command spell.
It's similar to Shirou in Heaven's Feel, to a certain degree.

Also, it's not that Sieg survived that Noble Phantasm, is that he was saved/revived by it. Blasted Tree has Fran's life force in it and can also create life (well not exactly create but something like that)
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Well, the battle finally got the stakes it needed by killing off Frankenstein (as was unfortunately inevitable), but everything after that is kinda ridiculous. Mordred is powerful enough to survive Frankenstein's Noble Phantasm? Sure, I can live with that. But the same Noble Phantasm reviving Sieg? The hell? Furthermore, I know he has Siegfried's heart, but it seems like one hell of a stretch to suggest that this translates into being able to be possessed by Siegfried to fight Mordred? Also, doesn't that kinda invalidate killing Siegfried off to begin with, given that he can now possess Sieg like that? And why do both Sabers seemingly have the same Noble Phantasm (and seemingly the same as Saber from Fate/Zero as well)?

Interesting ideas, but it's all very messy still.
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Well, the battle finally got the stakes it needed by killing off Frankenstein (as was unfortunately inevitable), but everything after that is kinda ridiculous. Mordred is powerful enough to survive Frankenstein's Noble Phantasm? Sure, I can live with that. But the same Noble Phantasm reviving Sieg? The hell? Furthermore, I know he has Siegfried's heart, but it seems like one hell of a stretch to suggest that this translates into being able to be possessed by Siegfried to fight Mordred? Also, doesn't that kinda invalidate killing Siegfried off to begin with, given that he can now possess Sieg like that? And why do both Sabers seemingly have the same Noble Phantasm (and seemingly the same as Saber from Fate/Zero as well)?

Interesting ideas, but it's all very messy still.


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TheHeckle said:
how sieg was able to get possessed let alone survive that Nobel phantasm from berserker.


He has Siegfried's heart, and forced a miracle by using a command spell.
It's similar to Shirou in Heaven's Feel, to a certain degree.

Also, it's not that Sieg survived that Noble Phantasm, is that he was saved/revived by it. Blasted Tree has Fran's life force in it and can also create life (well not exactly create but something like that)


Sabers who can't shoot beams aren't sabers
-GUDAGUDA Order

Artoria is Mordred's father so you shouldn't be surprised that they have similar NP

The reason why Siegfried can possess Siegmunculus is because Sieg is a homunculus. A homunculus' soul is young as such they won't be dyed by anything so their bodies can endure any kind of transformation
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Atavistic said:
Furthermore, I know he has Siegfried's heart, but it seems like one hell of a stretch to suggest that this translates into being able to be possessed by Siegfried to fight Mordred? Also, doesn't that kinda invalidate killing Siegfried off to begin with, given that he can now possess Sieg like that?

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The reason why Siegfried can possess Siegmunculus is because Sieg is a homunculus. A homunculus' soul is young as such they won't be dyed by anything so their bodies can endure any kind of transformation


Siegfried is dead.
Sieg: He has special black Command Seals which appeared on the back of Sieg's left hand known as Dead Count Shapeshifter: Dragon Revelation Command Spells
To explain it simply, they basically allows him to take the form of the Heroic Spirit Siegfried for 180 seconds (3 minutes) every time he uses one. The catalyst is Siegfried’s living heart. However, while Siegfried’s body could withstand the dragon blood within it, Sieg’s body can’t. That is reason that the spots on Sieg’s hand where the Command Spells disappeared from turned black.



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*Sigh* I really want to like this show. I love the Fate franchise...but the more I watch the more I think the negative criticisms of the show might be valid. I dunno, perhaps it's just that I havn't felt anything for any characters yet and we're already 10 episodes in? I enjoy Mordred cuz she just looks badass, but I do agree with some criticisms that she doesn't really stick to one way of thinking. Especially the way she's been acting in the most recent episodes.

Sieg? Well...I just dunno what to think of him, he's been revived twice now by two different Servants and he just feels out of place? Rider of Black seemed awesome at first, but he's weaker then Sieg now? And what the heck is the point of Ruler? Sometimes she fights, sometimes she doesn't? Now she gets visions of people and so does Shirou? Is it cause they're connected to god? Does she fight to keep the integrity of the grail war intact? If so, there were much harsher things that happened in other grail wars so why only in this one?

And also I thought the greater Grail was in Fuyuki created by the Einzberns and it being corrupted by Angra Mainyu was the whole point of it causing so much destruction in the 4th and 5th war? If this series is an alternate ending of the 3rd war...could we just, I dunno get an anime on the 3rd war instead?

Again...I really want to like this show. Maybe if I keep watching my questions will get their answers...I hope thats the case

(Edit: I know the Grail was moved but would that really explain why there are 2 sets of 7 servants now? Did they wish upon the grail to make a larger grail war for more power?)
Gigamecha12Sep 4, 2017 7:44 AM
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Well, the battle finally got the stakes it needed by killing off Frankenstein (as was unfortunately inevitable), but everything after that is kinda ridiculous. Mordred is powerful enough to survive Frankenstein's Noble Phantasm? Sure, I can live with that. But the same Noble Phantasm reviving Sieg? The hell? Furthermore, I know he has Siegfried's heart, but it seems like one hell of a stretch to suggest that this translates into being able to be possessed by Siegfried to fight Mordred? Also, doesn't that kinda invalidate killing Siegfried off to begin with, given that he can now possess Sieg like that? And why do both Sabers seemingly have the same Noble Phantasm (and seemingly the same as Saber from Fate/Zero as well)?

Interesting ideas, but it's all very messy still.

It's a running joke in Grand Order that a lot of Sabers fire beams from their swords, you aren't a true Saber if you can't fire beams! But in this case, there's actually a pretty good reason for both to have Noble Phantasms similar to Arturia.

Mordred is a literal clone of Arturia who wants to replace her as king and served under her, and initially idolized her, so it's understandable she'd imitate her attack in a less skilled but more brutal way.

Siegfried's Noble Phantasm is Balmung, also known as Gram in other versions of the myth. In the original Fate route, Gilgamesh explicitly identified Gram as the prototype for Caliburn, being an older "sword of selection" story.

Also, in the story of Frankenstein the electricity is what gave life, so it's not that much of a stretch that the magical electricity she releases could jumpstart Sieg's heart.
MoekouSep 4, 2017 8:00 AM
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Mordred's fun, hands down ~ things always get spicy when she's around, regardless of what people's opinions are about her. I also think it's a good think that there's one Saber that act's different from the expected knightly character that would fit the class, yet not far off enough that you'd say she isn't one(actually, tons of medieval knights acted like her).

And as for the battle, I'm battled people are calling her a bully of all things. She's part of the opposing faction and doing what she's supposed to: fighting the opposition. It's also Sieg who attacks her, then stabs her, trying to save her opponents. Like, the heck is she supposed to do? Give him a slight slap on the cheek and tell him to go home & play with toy swords? Yea, she could've not attempted to finish him off and just beaten him up unconscious which is I assume what people wanted? The guy picked a fight with someone WAY out of his league and she's not exactly obliged to hold his hand to that extent ~ I mean, he's got plot armor for that...

Also, Sawashiro Miyuki is love & life.
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Wow to think that Sieg would be brave enough to confront Mordred though in order to save Astolfo though. Though given the difference in skill it will be hard for him to help. Berserkers intervention there was timely though. It seems that Black assassin is also making her little mess on the field away from the frontlines. Kinda cute seeing her get flustered over a cellphone though. To think that Mordred was actually far more powerful than Berserker though. Despite the difference in power Sieg is actually brave to challenge saber though. It seems that Sieg's bravery really made an impact on Mordred though. Well Berserker sure is living up to her rep in managing to survive fatal injuries to go and try to strangle Mordred. So Berserkers noble phantasm is actually a self destruct spell then.

But to bad that Mordred managed to survive the explosion though not without sustaining heavy injuries. Caules must feel so horrible right now after letting Berserker sacrifice herself for nothing though. Its kinda sad that despite being invincible in battle that Siegfried never actually had any other wish but to help people and that ultimately led to his death as well. But in death i guess he managed to discover what his true wish was. Its interesting how Sieg managed to find his purpose in this new life via his conversation with Siegfried though. But the reason being to save someone is a reason that i think is suited to him. Wow so the result of that talk was that Sieg not only gained the power he needed he also become Siegfried as well by allow himself to be possessed by Siegfried's spirit. The battle between the two sabers sure is interesting though. Can't wait to see how this battle turns out when both are getting serious by unleashing their noble phantasms.
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