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phlan said: I like your theory but the chance that the door would be checked by more than 1 person, or even when the culprit goes to get the master key has a high probability as well. you can tell whether someone is holding the door outside the room as opposed to the door is locked if you're trying to open it... assuming the reality of a situation like that, multiple people would be trying to force the door open so if they wanted to add reality to the situation... I do like your theory though, entirely possible :)Day2Dream said: Yes if you never saw a murder or a dead person before I doubt you still have your mind to checking things, and here is my theory: BTW the hand got cut off is really not needed in this case, it make the murder scene look so bad, it so weird how the hand and it's owner are so far apart from each other without and blood trail, imagine what it take to clean cut a hand like that and if it got cut before the victim died the blood spray would be pretty much all over the place. |
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| Was the severed hand mentioned in Hongou's script? Mazui's translation of the script seems to suggest that the hand was one of the improvisations made by the props manager, in which case it would no longer apply to the original mystery. The horror-ending theory is ruled out not only by the assertion that the genre is in fact mystery, but also by the class votes themselves- the record of the decisions made by the class as a whole (the minutes) shows us that the film is set to have 2 deaths, as voted on by 2-F. I can't read what they decided for the murder weapon (it's on the top of the page Chitanda was looking at, item 31.), so can someone confirm that for us? It might be relevant. The three witnesses are almost certainly working for the 'Queen', Irisu. I feel almost like she's doing this to actively challenge him, but why would she? |
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kyled00m said: As I said, everyone met up so no one could've been in the room so nobody could "suddenly join the group". They were all outside the door and opened it with the master key together. Instead of continuing reading your post, i merely skimmed for important words and none fit the bill... I was also sick of staring at wrong theories by then so I was hoping someone would point out what I put in my spoiler but no luck it seemed. I was referring to the episode when the third girl in charge of the posters or w/e who said a NEW person was there. A villain similar to Scream.. but I wasn't saying it was my own theory, and I was just discussing it. kyled00m said: The reason his arm was for from his body is obvious. They struggled and when they made him into a fake corpse, they had to hide his real arm so it didn't show on the video. Another thing that people should've picked up on was the key wasn't on his person, it wasn't even clenched in his hand. The fact that the body was far from the key made it even more obvious that the key had been switched... Also, he could have been still trying to get the key back from the murderer when his body gave out and he collapsed dead which goes to show you why his corpse isn't near the key. Putting the corpse near the hand would be too obvious with a blood trail all over the floor too... Isn't that kind of an assumption... that it was the director's fault that the hand was far from the body. But then again the blood would be a bit more splattered on the floor (not to sure if that's what you were trying to say). So yeah, it could be the directors fault. Then again, so could the unclenched key could be because he lost tension in his arm as it was being cut off. Furthermore, we can't really test the reality of everything since it's a show. Unless your referring to the people in the film then that is more understandable. Finally didn't they mention that the killer would of been spotted in the main foyer? Although it was the props manager who mentioned it, wouldn't that be valid? or can we say that the person you mentioned exited from the open window in EMPTY ROOM #2? this may not be the case thought, since I think we have already debunked the window theory. |
| I'd like to further point out to that fellow so gleefully flaunting his closed-room solution that it has not, in fact, solved the mystery- anyone can form closed-room theories all they like, but as long as no culprit is proposed without good backing evidence, you've effectively said zilch. |
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| They went to a place in the middle of nowhere, there was dust everywhere... if there was another person there already, it would have been a preordained murder and the suspects are obvious and the `cops` would solve the problem immediately. Even with extra people, it becomes way too obvious that way. Yea I was talking about the characters but in that sort of situation no one suspects the key might have been swiped... they see a key and let whoever pick it up... the culprit picks it up, switches the key again, and gets away free... :\ I get sick of seeing the same type of action countless times over. I should go re-watch the movie's airing one more time but I don't think I'll pick up on any more clues at this point... |
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| 1) Eru's moe went over 9000 when she got tipsy. Too bad it didn't make her more skinshippy towards oreki. Damn, my MS ChitandaXOreki needs moar fuel! 2) I don't have a set theory, but I DO believe certain things need to be mentioned. a) The writer seems to be a novice and read quite a few sherlock holmes books. I think she didn't make up her own mystery but rearranged stuff from the books. Those little notes Eru found were will probably have some weight in where to find the part she used for this movie. b) She ordered the rope, but it wasn't used the way annoying guy #2 thought. Since we didn't see it in the movie, it could very well be a supporting prop to make the actual mystery happen c) I think it wasn't mentioned here before, but the writer only ordered VERY LITTLE BLOOD. The amount we see in the movie is actually much more than she had in mind. This may very well be a part of the mystery. 3) Just for the notes, Eru did not say "Chow desu!". Instead, person #3 (the bubbly girl) said "Ciao" when she entered, which is an informal italian greeting, meaning "hi" or "bye". Eru saying "Ciao" too instead of something japanese was her tipsyness speaking, and adding "desu" was her being herself -> overly polite. Just had to mention that. Alltogether, I WANNA KNOW WHATS GOING ON! I WANT IT TO BE NEXT WEEK! |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| The mystery is so POORLY done... it's too clear that it's fake and it bothers the hell out of me... even if you're acting or adlibing, the effort they're putting in is like 0. It bothers the fuck out of me. The keys looked similar and as I said above, the murderer just had to make sure to switch them before anyone looked to closely at them. The blood is in a pool instead of splattering so the realism sucks too bad and there's no trail between the hand and body so we can't pull too much... even if they sucked at special effects, they should've been able to realize what they did wrong. The guy who tries to open the door later uses the master key makes the lock click so I'm willing to bet it was locked. It doesn't look like a surprise because there doesn't seem to be a struggle so it was one of the 5 because those are the only ones the character would have known to be there... if it was someone else, it would've caught him off guard and it would look more sketchy.... Again, something we all noticed was that there was no scream which makes this confusing... was it a murder? or was it a accidental suicide? :\ |
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| Drunken Eru is over 9000!!! Oh well, in a sense, it's a nothing happened episode. All theories are rejected. Really, "Why didn't she ask EBA?" Eba is Hongou's best friend. She might know some useful clues. |
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| That is so bad it actually turns up to be entertaining :D problem is that there is no real reason WHY he was killed so it makes that mystery very weak First theory was entertaining - but being seen by others, really? Room is next to the corner so passing there is very easy thing to do. Bigger problem would be, why victim let someone enter his room by the window (unless said person had entered by the doors and than went out this way). Still he was right about drama (or stage) part of the story. And I still think that it was the Yellow guy (Katsuta?) he was able to set the stage (by opening the windows and doors earlier) Finally Chitanda was bearable - especially in a part where she was sleeping :P |
Fiji said: Chitanda getting drunk from bonbons? A cliche to almost every heroine out there. Ahahaha. Well except she ate tons of it. My aunt got drunk once that way too. If you put strong alcohol, like whiskey in the chocolate, you can get easily drunk. That hiccup was cute. I wonder how the events will turn out for the movie. |
| Misaki is so my type of anime character! |
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Geinrendour said: Does anyone knows what "EBA" means? In the end of the episode, after the girl asks him out, the subtitle appears with "Why didn't she ask for EBA?" Volume 1 Hyouka 氷菓 - You can't escape / The niece of time Volume 2 The Credit Roll of the Fool 愚者のエンドロール - Why didn't she ask EBA? |
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| hey is it me or ... houtaro's voice changed near the end of this episode ..?? i am sure its not his original voice lol iam a big fan of his seiyuu so i cant be wrong be wrong |
"never regret anything, because at one point it was exactly what you wanted" |
| The theories on the light novel was a bit different from this but just a bit. |
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| Oh Wishkey Loving Chitanda :3 Looks like this mystery chapter is going to take a few more episodes |
| Drunk Chintanda = win |
My reaction to Oreki's face XD |
| Chitanda in this ep was just....-_- the sudden hiccups and burbs were moee >_< However it might just me, but making her drunk just made her usual funny curiosity moments seem....abit annoying this time round? But looking forward to see what happens with Irisu and Houtarou, their ambiguous personalities and emotionless expressions make them seem soo similar X3 |
AsakurabakaJun 18, 2012 7:36 AM
zheren said: hey is it me or ... houtaro's voice changed near the end of this episode ..?? i am sure its not his original voice lol iam a big fan of his seiyuu so i cant be wrong be wrong I'm pretty sure it was still Nakamura Yuuichi though. You just have to accept the fact that he's really talented and tried to use a very soft voice voicing Oreki. <3 And in the credit at the end of this episode, Nakamura is the only one who did the voice of Oreki. |
| Chitanda' s KO through chocolate o.o' It' seemed like mangekyou :D The theories presented were all too simple... Hope that the conclusion will be surprising! |
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| I almost feel like the only focus of this episode was to see Chi get drunk. Saw it coming as soon as the candy came out. Awesome! |
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| Well the thing we didn't notice is simple one so shall we focus on that point? |
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| In my personal opinion, this episode was not that great as I hoped for it to be since nothing fabulous or surprising happened. However, I still thought it was entertaining to hear the theories of the three new characters. I hope that in the next episode though that Oreki-san will be able to deduce the true solution to the crime, maybe with Irisu's help. |
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| Chitanda is such a bad drunk, and that final girl was fucking retarded lol |
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| 2 words to sum the episode.. Watashi kininarimasu! |
Yumekichi11 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I find this episode’s conversation back to back intriguing and enticing to say the least. Once again the character interactions and facials were key strong points. It’s just damn too bad it took 3/4 of the episode to reach the following,  OH MY! My favorite girl after Irisu from last episode finally gets a Over 9000 MOE shot out to me. So much LOVE and lovely expressions of hers in the spoiler About Ibara, she came into 3rd place but make no mistake of her expressions in the spoiler About the macho guy, I was quite surprised at how he pulled out his expressions in the spoiler About Eru, OMG Chitanda blew my heart out with her MOE attack if the new girl I like did not already add too much to its tolerance of MOE already it got. I would have to say it was certainly the following pose,  Along with the spoiler
About the end of the episode, visually in the spoiler Other than that nice corrections and output of Houtarou on the movie changes. I can finally understand more of the glasses guy and his Seiyuu. His voice is very charming for a male. Might edit later. BTW Nice art usage in the spoiler Off-topic....Your avatar is....kinda scary =O On topic....I felt like this episode was a little slow.....I dunno....Maybe i'm just comparing this episode to the ship filled one two episodes ago and finding these last 2 to be lackluster....Although interesting...I can't wait to see how the mystery unfolds. That being said, another reason i feel like the episode is a little slow is because we've barely been shown any good results from the theories of the others....and although i feel like this episode didn't waste much time in terms of the plot it still felt like the only development made was the blood clue, otherwise not much is out on the table except bogus theories...... Never expected this one to last through three episodes.....It's really disappointing honestly, but again....I'm just biased because there aren't enough Eru x Houtarou scenes......compared to episode 7 |
Kurini said: zheren said: hey is it me or ... houtaro's voice changed near the end of this episode ..?? i am sure its not his original voice lol iam a big fan of his seiyuu so i cant be wrong be wrong I'm pretty sure it was still Nakamura Yuuichi though. You just have to accept the fact that he's really talented and tried to use a very soft voice voicing Oreki. <3 And in the credit at the end of this episode, Nakamura is the only one who did the voice of Oreki. i see. . .maybe i was listening too much to his voice (nakamura) and got too much familiar that i get confused lol. |
"never regret anything, because at one point it was exactly what you wanted" |
CIAO! I wonder if the author knew that it is an informal way of saying "Goodbye" in Italian? |
Nasty001 said: CIAO! I wonder if the author knew that it is an informal way of saying "Goodbye" in Italian? The author most likely known, he just made the character misuse it. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Nasty001 said: CIAO! I wonder if the author knew that it is an informal way of saying "Goodbye" in Italian? The author most likely known, he just made the character misuse it. Actually, Ciao is used both as informal "hi" and "bye", so it's used correctly. |
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Wordsmith said: I still think it's more meant goodbye. Moreover is there not another word to use for hello in languages? Maddo_scientisto said: Nasty001 said: CIAO! I wonder if the author knew that it is an informal way of saying "Goodbye" in Italian? The author most likely known, he just made the character misuse it. Actually, Ciao is used both as informal "hi" and "bye", so it's used correctly. Yeah they Misaki use it more so it goes with her goofy attitude. She was like that a lot with her reactions while saying out her theory. Which BTW would work out except it would require too much $$$ and blood. Modifications at the last minute and like Houtarou said along with the script it was not meant like that. Ahri said: Even if it was slow and bogus certainly my post shows out nicely how the MOE and facials features were nice along with depictions of different arts and modes used. So it's really 2 ways. Visual and plot experience. The plot one is not the best so far. It's social/slice of life mixtures so far. Not supernatural that I am still hoping for. KUDOS TO SHERLOCK HOLMES! References of him are great to have around always. |
Yumekichi11Jun 18, 2012 1:43 PM
| Sorry to dwell on that, but in this case, Ciao clearly means "hi", which is 100% correct. Though I've read that in some languages like English or German it means "Goodbye" most of the time, but in Italian it can be both hi and bye. However, I'm gonna ask a friend of mine who happens to live in Bologna, italy, so he should know best... And I really have to ask him about it because... *drumrolls* Ki ni narimasu! :D EDIT: Double-checked it with him, it's really hi and bye, and he has to know :) |
WordsmithJun 18, 2012 10:27 PM
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
Maddo_scientisto said: That's basically what I said last week when I called the movie a "Stalking Horse" ;)I'll just write out my theory that I have since last episode. I beleive that the girl that is supposedly Houga's best friend is none than other Houga herself. The real mystery she constructed is the one that she is currently presenting to the classic litterature club: "Would you be able to reconstruct a story based on the few hints I left to other people of my club and that I hide through the script" The reason is quite simple: If the classic litterature do manage to reconstruct her story with the hints she left, this will mean that her story followed a logical and rational process and this would pretty much be the most rewarding thing for a mystery writter, it would mean a defeat against the kotenbu but also a victory against herself. Either Houga orchestred everything without anyone knowing or either the whole cinema club is actually playing their real piece right now by putting the classic litterature club into the detective spot. |
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Cratex said: Maddo_scientisto said: That's basically what I said last week when I called the movie a "Stalking Horse" ;)I'll just write out my theory that I have since last episode. I beleive that the girl that is supposedly Houga's best friend is none than other Houga herself. The real mystery she constructed is the one that she is currently presenting to the classic litterature club: "Would you be able to reconstruct a story based on the few hints I left to other people of my club and that I hide through the script" The reason is quite simple: If the classic litterature do manage to reconstruct her story with the hints she left, this will mean that her story followed a logical and rational process and this would pretty much be the most rewarding thing for a mystery writter, it would mean a defeat against the kotenbu but also a victory against herself. Either Houga orchestred everything without anyone knowing or either the whole cinema club is actually playing their real piece right now by putting the classic litterature club into the detective spot. It's good that I'm not the only one thinking that. |
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| argh I was late in the discussion because I haven't watch the episode(including ep 8) as soon as it was available. Anyways what Maddo said is a great theory because of how much importance they are giving to oreki(All three of them pinpoint oreki). chitanda being drunk was funny!! not much I can do here so bye!! |
| Chitanda's moeness goes up dramatically when she's drunk. Hnnng those hiccups and those childlike actions. Hahaha I loled when she just passed out. And I really like Sawakiguchi. The fact that this episode's title was why didn't she ask EBA? has been getting at me. This has got to be a big hint and ffs it makes me wanna know what Eba thinks of this whole situation. And Maddo's theory sounds very possible, I like it. |
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ZeroZx said: I saw someone come close to, but not exactly, pass out that way.Hahaha I loled when she just passed out. |
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| Chitanda getting drunk off of chocolate whiskey HAHA, so damn cute man fup i know i lost point haha but i dont care must have more |
| I don't get it, is she dead or in a coma? Can't they just ask her? None of this makes any sense. Why are they asking the classic lit club to figure out the ending of the film, when the writer is still alive? |
| One thing that is probably irrelevant but nags at me is why the guy's arm was cut off. When you kill someone, you don't really have a need to cut off body parts unless your hatred for them is almost religious and you want to leave some form of message, but even so the work it takes to cut off a limb would seem pretty unnecessary and time consuming when you're probably in a rush to kill someone. |
EOTW said: I don't get it, is she dead or in a coma? Can't they just ask her? None of this makes any sense. Why are they asking the classic lit club to figure out the ending of the film, when the writer is still alive? Something I've wondered about since the first episode of this arc. When clearly she texted someone to ask them to help with something, and talked about how it was just 'bad timing'. I don't think she'd say that about being hospitalized exactly. And that 'best friend' of hers is awful quiet, it just irks me. There's gotta be more to this. |
| My theory: the guy killed himself. There's no flaw to this -- aside from the guy possibly being a maniac. Lol. |
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xsparc said: When using the master key, we heard a single click midway turning it, proving the door became unlocked at that moment. If he had relocked it, and unlocked it after, it would've been 2 clicks. It was LOCKED. :)My theory is that: It's NOT A LOCKED ROOM CRIME The guy who opened the door just pretended that the door was locked. |
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StormSky92 said: That's because they ran out of ice cream! (bad pun, I know) :3The show doesn't seem quite as good to me since the Hyouka mystery ended. But it's still enjoyable on some level. |
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