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Jun 11, 2013 6:21 PM

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Now this was one EPIC fight!
Jun 13, 2013 11:02 AM

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lol XD the park scene is little make me laugh :3 lol saber is so funny when asking shiro to sleep XD

btw nice fight :3
finally rider die :/ not really good..
btw is noble phantasm of rider is some kind of pegasus? then why it sounds like a freakin' bird? -_- *facepalm
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When I heard the word "Excalibur" I thought of a little white guy with a white top hat and cane shouting FOOL!! Haha too much Soul Eater.
Aug 17, 2013 2:49 PM

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Perfect episode, better than I imagined this scene to be animated. And Rider... well, good-bye purple-haired beauty ^^

Ilya was the one who was lured there by Shinji also. But she was only watching the place this time.
I guess the name of next episode tells us we will visit her Einzbern castle in the woods.
Aug 17, 2013 2:53 PM

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WolfWood37 said:
Well only 1 person could wield Excalibur. Though I wonder if Saber remembers the events of Fate/Zero and that explosion that Shinji survived. Saber was very involved with that.


Well,
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Mich666 said:
WolfWood37 said:
Well only 1 person could wield Excalibur. Though I wonder if Saber remembers the events of Fate/Zero and that explosion that Shinji survived. Saber was very involved with that.


Well,


Or more like this version takes major liberties with adaptation AND with f/zero stuff so whoever wrote this trainwreck adaptation could not be bothered to correctly address it and felt the need to change shit constantly ("har har, kiritsugu's boat sunk in river, let's make it the sea,har har"), especially considering the statements by this anime staff back then.

Also Saber would not speak about Kiritsugu. she hates Kiritsugu.
Aug 18, 2013 3:05 PM

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Ahhh what does all that have to do with Shinji?

The Matou household has nothing to do with the Great Fire.
Aug 18, 2013 4:13 PM

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Mich666 said:
Well,


Or more like this version takes major liberties with adaptation AND with f/zero stuff so whoever wrote this trainwreck adaptation could not be bothered to correctly address it and felt the need to change shit constantly ("har har, kiritsugu's boat sunk in river, let's make it the sea,har har"), especially considering the statements by this anime staff back then.

Also Saber would not speak about Kiritsugu. she hates Kiritsugu.

Your are forgetting this anime was released years before F/Z and that F/Z screw up to make all connections valid (if you were talking about f/z then pardon me). So far this anime adapts the game pretty good (some minor details were changed, yes, but it manages to keeps the same mood well).

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Mich666 said:
Fai said:
Mich666 said:
Well,


Or more like this version takes major liberties with adaptation AND with f/zero stuff so whoever wrote this trainwreck adaptation could not be bothered to correctly address it and felt the need to change shit constantly ("har har, kiritsugu's boat sunk in river, let's make it the sea,har har"), especially considering the statements by this anime staff back then.

Also Saber would not speak about Kiritsugu. she hates Kiritsugu.

Your are forgetting this anime was released years before F/Z and that F/Z screw up to make all connections valid (if you were talking about f/z then pardon me). So far this anime adapts the game pretty good (some minor details were changed, yes, but it manages to keeps the same mood well).


...what?
How did exactly a story written by two people,one of them being the writer of FSN,screw up?
Just animating the events doesnt make it a good adaptation.These minor details is what made FSN VN good in the first place.

She doesnt hate Kiritsugu?Seriously?She was willing to talk with him only when she was mad at him or when she was going into honor mode which is basically the same thing.
The only thing that happened differently in FZ is how

The small tidbits that are in each route should have been adapted as they are not as Deen wanted.
How can you even compare a butchered from the first second adaptation to a later made prequel?
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...what?
How did exactly a story written by two people,one of them being the writer of FSN,screw up?
Just animating the events doesnt make it a good adaptation.These minor details is what made FSN VN good in the first place.

She doesnt hate Kiritsugu?Seriously?She was willing to talk with him only when she was mad at him or when she was going into honor mode which is basically the same thing.
The only thing that happened differently in FZ is how

The small tidbits that are in each route should have been adapted as they are not as Deen wanted.
How can you even compare a butchered from the first second adaptation to a sequel?


You actually mean later created prequel (2006-2007). And how exacly is this F/SN anime (2006, created even before light novels for F/Z were made) butchered, I wonder? Yes, there are some events that wasn't in original VN Fate route (like Shirou meeting Rider at archery range instead of Shinji's house and some early medling with Sakura route) but I don't mind as long as they tell everything needed. In the time this anime was made they simply didn't know whether they would be doing any sequels or other routes so I don't blame them for revealing some infos from other routes. And I already mentioned this elsewhere but original Fate route is easily 30-40 hours long and this anime have to fit everything into 9 hours so it is clear there has to be some shortcuts, compromises and merges (not to mention that writing in some game parts of Fate route was boring sometimes). But then again I insist that up to this point (ep12-13) they animated every significant scene (if not, please provide an example). And watching this few weaks after completing the game I can say they even managed to retain the same mood. So I guess it all depends on personal preferences.

Fate/Zero (which I think is good otherwise to prevent further misunderstanding) on the other hand wasn't written by Kinoko Nasu, he was only consultant for it and Urobuchi Gen did all the work on this light novel (later made into anime) so it was his work to manage all those loose ends from VN and make them fit. I still think that all newcomers should always follow original release dates and watch Fate/Stay Night first cause F/Z spoils way to many things just in its first ep.

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Yes that is what I meant.

They knew,simply because the draft for FZ was ready in 2004.They had supervisors and contact with the original author.THEY should have cared to get their facts straight.

As I said simply animating the events isnt enough.The characters arent there.The problem isnt just adding stuff from other routes,like them fighting Rider or Rin vs Shirou.And the mood DEFINITELY isnt there.Maybe you dont care because you know the chars because of the VN ,that you just finished, but that doesnt make the anime good.

Gen made the work based on FSN,Nasuverse rules and info that Nasu gave him.So no it wasnt 100% Gen.

How is that any different from what I said about Kiritsugu and Saber?loll no.Just like Kiritsugu never listened to her she never listened to him either.
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As I said simply animating the events isnt enough.The characters arent there.The problem isnt just adding stuff from other routes,like them fighting Rider or Rin vs Shirou.And the mood DEFINITELY isnt there.Maybe you dont care because you know the chars because of the VN ,that you just finished, but that doesnt make the anime good.

Gen made the work based on FSN,Nasuverse rules and info that Nasu gave him.So no it wasnt 100% Gen.

How is that any different from what I said about Kiritsugu and Saber?loll no.Just like Kiritsugu never listened to her she never listened to him either.

I see where you are going here. In the game you can spend literally hours and hours spanning three routes with each character and this time spent creates unique bond that 24-ep anime simply couldn't get you. And I dare to say that this relationship between player and the world is everything for F/SN. So this anime is great thing to watch for players of the game who knows and still remembers all those characters well (e.g. me) and who wants to see them in action but it can be not so good watch for anime-only viewers who never gets enough time to fully understand and grow some feelings for them. And I guess the mood thing depends solely on personal tastes.
On the other hand - Fate/Zero doesn't have the game yet - and therefore it's much easier to accept it and enjoy everything that anime gives you. In a way I would describe F/SN as more traditional whereas F/Z as more mature in its approach.
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Mich666 said:
ssjokg said:
As I said simply animating the events isnt enough.The characters arent there.The problem isnt just adding stuff from other routes,like them fighting Rider or Rin vs Shirou.And the mood DEFINITELY isnt there.Maybe you dont care because you know the chars because of the VN ,that you just finished, but that doesnt make the anime good.

Gen made the work based on FSN,Nasuverse rules and info that Nasu gave him.So no it wasnt 100% Gen.

How is that any different from what I said about Kiritsugu and Saber?loll no.Just like Kiritsugu never listened to her she never listened to him either.

I see where you are going here. In the game you can spend literally hours and hours spanning three routes with each character and this time spent creates unique bond that 24-ep anime simply couldn't get you. And I dare to say that this relationship between player and the world is everything for F/SN. So this anime is great thing to watch for players of the game who knows and still remembers all those characters well (e.g. me) and who wants to see them in action but it can be not so good watch for anime-only viewers who never gets enough time to fully understand and grow some feelings for them. And I guess the mood thing depends solely on personal tastes.
On the other hand - Fate/Zero doesn't have the game yet - and therefore it's much easier to accept it and enjoy everything that anime gives you. In a way I would describe F/SN as more traditional whereas F/Z as more mature in its approach.

The approach has nothing to do with it.
FZ as a novel needs about the same time one route needs to be read.Yet the characterization of the chars is in totally different level than the characterization of the FSN chars in the anime of Fate route(no comment about the movie).FZ has a novel.Why is it so different for you?What is the difference between the game and its routes and a linear novel?There is none, since we are talking about ONE of the routes not all of them combined.
There are a lot not so mature series that managed to make the MC,male or female, likeable and understood.In FSN you could just replace Shirou with Kamijou Touma or even worse Kirito who 1)has nothing in common with Shirou and b)lacks a lot as a char compared to Shirou,and still not miss anything(from what the anime showed).
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This was an amazing episode, I loved the bench scene, and great action at the end. Looking forward to watching more : )
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Well rider is dead it seems.Would have been nice to be told who she was since she appeared on so many episodes.Hell beserker got revealed and hes only been shown like twice.I will say one thing I was not expecting a flying horse to show up.Still wish we could of saw shinji get beat up some more but now since hes out guess that aint happening.The bench scene was pretty cute and I enjoyed the fighting.Also does everyone in this city just pass out at night since I would think someone would see 2 people flying and fighting on top of a building and a magical horse.
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souledge94 said:
Well rider is dead it seems.Would have been nice to be told who she was since she appeared on so many episodes.Hell beserker got revealed and hes only been shown like twice.I will say one thing I was not expecting a flying horse to show up.Still wish we could of saw shinji get beat up some more but now since hes out guess that aint happening.The bench scene was pretty cute and I enjoyed the fighting.Also does everyone in this city just pass out at night since I would think someone would see 2 people flying and fighting on top of a building and a magical horse.


Blame the shitty adaptation that this is.

Servants generally fight at speeds barely noticeable to normal people. "A low regular" Magus can reach the sound barrier(and "above regular" can break it via haxx) and Servants can move at speeds way above that, even though Saber is relatively on "low level" of speeds(to be compared, FSN Lancer has speeds above hypersonic, to the levels that would allow him easily re-enter earth's atmosphere and Rider is way way way faster).

This is the "seriously low" speed according to Servant standards and its them not even trying to actually do anything(the scene is from the upcoming remake)

An average servant fight like Saber VS Rider lasts short enough time for public to not really matter.
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Excalibur? Now that was unexpected. I wonder what is Rin doing...
Sarcasm? I saw it coming from the first episode.


I'm not very impressed of Rider(maybe she was intended to be unimpressive, but still).
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Excalibur? Now that was unexpected. I wonder what is Rin doing...
Sarcasm? I saw it coming from the first episode.


I'm not very impressed of Rider(maybe she was intended to be unimpressive, but still).
She wasnt intended to be impressive in the first two routes.Blame Shitnji
Oct 19, 2014 8:02 AM

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A servant fell ... Now only six servants and their masters remain. Excellent Episode! ;)
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Dec 11, 2014 12:03 AM

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Lovely ep! Got goosebumps when Rider showed Pegasus and unleashed her Noble Phantasm.
I'm curious what Ilyasviel will do now!
Dec 11, 2014 10:06 AM

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Lovely ep! Got goosebumps when Rider showed Pegasus and unleashed her Noble Phantasm.
I'm curious what Ilyasviel will do now!
Again why would anyone watch this adaptation is beyond me.
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Mimysse said:
Lovely ep! Got goosebumps when Rider showed Pegasus and unleashed her Noble Phantasm.
I'm curious what Ilyasviel will do now!
Again why would anyone watch this adaptation is beyond me.

Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean it's not worth a watch. I think it has a lot of good to it, the atmosphere and the soundtrack I like a lot. And the animation isn't that bad to be honest, but I admit it isn't great. It also has some good characters in it since it is Fate, of course.

Also, this time around I'm trying to get Shirou more and I can kinda understand him better this time in that he doesn't just seem like a random nuisance.
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Again why would anyone watch this adaptation is beyond me.

Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean it's not worth a watch. I think it has a lot of good to it, the atmosphere and the soundtrack I like a lot. And the animation isn't that bad to be honest, but I admit it isn't great. It also has some good characters in it since it is Fate, of course.

Also, this time around I'm trying to get Shirou more and I can kinda understand him better this time in that he doesn't just seem like a random nuisance.


1. The masters are portrayed as complete weaklings in DEENFSN. Tohsaka is some random ditz instead of one of the top magi, Shirou is blubbering idiot instead of calculating and calm mannered badass, etc, etc. Hell, Shirou theoretically is an entirely different character.
2. Majority of things stated or shown in DEENFSN directly contradict the lore of both Fate/Zero and FSN2014.
3. Servants are portrayed as underpowered and slow in DEENFSN. Unless you are Saber(whom the storywriter of this adaptation believed to be true MC, lol) or Archer, you will be portrayed as a shit tier servant.
4. The show panders towards Saber way too much going out of its way to showcase Rin, Shirou, etc as somehow "unprepared" or "weaker".
5. The "plot" makes no sense because crucial details of this route are cut out in order to add fillers(like the latex sakura bullshit or Archer's true fighting style) that have no place in this adaptation and just spoils the fuck out of the newer and far superior adaptations by ufotable.
6. Nothing in this adaptation matters because it is not canon.


I'll just repost this as I always do:
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Everything in DEEN'S animu sucked.

THis is why Ufotable wins:




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1-3. It's different.
4. Are you saying the show tries to show they're weak but ends up having them stronger than they appear? I would say I noticed that too, but it more felt that the masters were a bit closer to the servants abilities. That is different, but not inherently bad.
5. I don't see how Sakura wearing certain clothes can not make sense. Sure, it may not make sense with some out-sourced VN knowledge, but to me - she was Sakura wearing certain clothes, seemingly ceremonial clothes. Every detail doesn't have to be delved into. Like I doubt they'd go into explaining which store Shirou bought his jeans.
Archer's fighting style has no issue with me as I had no out-sourced knowledge from the VN, so to me - he was just fighting. Again, it is different.
6. That's your opinion. I don't watch things because someone else feels it's relevant or not. I watch anime to enjoy the experience, and not all experiences have to be flawless for me to get something out of them.

Ya, compare the best studio to Deen to show their lack of skill. To me, the fourth one on Deen's side isn't bad at all. The others aren't very impressive, but when you experience the episodes in their entirety it had a good atmosphere set from the colors and the music. We could look at plenty of other anime, and i could even show some unimpressive animation from Fullmetal Alchemist 2003, but a lot of people still like it don't they?
Also, look here at a clip of this FSN anime SPOILERS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QmDjGtt1U&list=UUpId76GZ_kW5ABHgqpUWaaA#t=349
To me, that is definitely some solid animation. Baccano isn't too ahead of that particular scene, but if you even compared that to Fate/Zero, you'd begin to make Baccano look like shit.

Be reasonable.


Edit: I've read a good deal of the Fate route now and I agree that servants feel more deadly in the VN. However, this anime was definitely not a cash grab. There is sooo much that was effectively squeezed into the first episode. I've read for over 4 hours and I still haven't got past what happened in the first episode of this series. I'm getting more and more impressed with this director in having to shortened all of this, and honestly a lot of this stuff in the VN so far is needless and everything is going at a snails pace. So much filler speech and conversation and repetitive situations that all have long, casual discussions that don't develop enough to make the time put in feel worth it. The anime does miss some fundamentals here and there, but it gets the general idea and point of the story and carries it out efficiently for an anime. If the VN was the length of fairly big book, I'd be at the very least a quarter done after putting in 4 hours, but instead I'm still basically at the prologue.
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Notice that all of those animation comparisons are conveniently cherry-picked between the 2006 anime and ufotable's adaptation instead of the more comparable 2010 UBW adaptation that DEEN did where they actually had more budget to work with and more modern tech. You'll be hard-pressed to find such stark differences in quality, and it's certainly arguable that the Berserker fight was better-animated in the UBW movie than it was in ufotable's adaptation.
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Notice that all of those animation comparisons are conveniently cherry-picked between the 2006 anime and ufotable's adaptation instead of the more comparable 2010 UBW adaptation that DEEN did where they actually had more budget to work with and more modern tech. You'll be hard-pressed to find such stark differences in quality, and it's certainly arguable that the Berserker fight was better-animated in the UBW movie than it was in ufotable's adaptation.

DEEN UBW 2009:

Ufotable Kara no Kyoukai 2007:


I'll have to disagree with you there.
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DEEN UBW 2009:

Ufotable Kara no Kyoukai 2007:


I'll have to disagree with you there.

I'd prefer Shitaki Mushrooms for the comparison.
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Okay so I guess Rider was rather one of the bad guys, after she got compared with a demon :P But of course she was the servant who had to die first... why oh why :(
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Resting is part of battle too ~ . Recovery is important .
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The fight and Excalibur were awesome.

Looks like, that Shinji and Rider were a fitting pair after all.

Mother Saber is unconscious and Lolisviel makes another appearance. That spells trouble.
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Wow, what a fucking Mary Sue.
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So, noble phantasms are just the weapons and no matter what they are, super hits are all energy waves -_- Talk about armed fights.
The fight itself was lacking.

Arthur Pendragon turned into a female teenager -_-#
And what I suppose being Medusa (due to her hidden eyes, and special attack having an eye-form and used through throat cutting) reduced to some sexual phantasm and having not only access to Bellerophon's Pegasus but also the chains who tied Andromeda. This is japanese subculture in one of its most ridiculous form.

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not terrible, but not great

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Meh... the 'ex.... calibur!' part felt better in the VN.

heck... the whole fight felt better in the VN.
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Another good episode. Story finally picked up. Rider is defeated by gender bender Arthur!
Jan 7, 2019 6:21 AM

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Nice episode. Finally Rider is done.
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And that's why she was called 'Rider'.

I wonder what was Sakura saying after seeing that. Seems gonna be something.

*Sigh* stop shouting Shiro...... Saber's not dead.

But boi, now they had a big problem, seems there gonna be an ambush from the loli.



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I told you. Shirou is dumb cunt. what have you done to my Saber. 🙂
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the fight was something hmm
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That golden sword, "Ex..calibur!" Rider was vanished from the Earth. I finally got to see what her eyes look like.
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So does Shirō become less annoying as the series progresses?

Him yelling "Saber!" every two seconds is getting tedious.

Let the woman do her job, you little pischer.
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honestly really liking this part of the series but it seems the only part people like from Fate is Zero(anime only).
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Excalibur!

extra characters
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that's a great episode now i know why saber is the strongest servant, like im actually disappointed seeing her having a hard time on some enemy when she's supposed to be strong among the servants..

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So we just gonna ignore the fact that ilya and berserker are in the same building
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Looks like Illya was waiting for the chance to attack.
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and the episodes keeping getting better.

finally we see saiber "sword". truly epic fight.

i was lol so hard when saiber told shirou "lie on me" xDDD

shinji command seals were burned. goodbye. i won't really miss you.
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Finalmente, pancadaria sincera. Menos um mestre na guerra.
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Ex....Calibur!
- First bits are a bit pointless
- Shirou tells Saber about his past
- Lol he had to take the elevator
- How did he not see Berserker lmao
- Why is using a creature from the time of God's illegal?
- So it was Excalibur, why does it take so long in this
- Rider is dead! 6 more to go. 
- Wait, we never found out who she was!
- Oop she fainted, not goood
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