Reply to GentleDragonite
Frieren, it does everything really well but is not particually extraordinary. Solid to great show. Not quite a 10/10 just yet
A silent voice: It is a great movie but is rather inconsistent in terms of enjoyment (i.e.: first part)
Spirited away: Great movie but certainly not the "best anime movie of all time".
86: Its quite repetitive in its plot when trying to emphasise its themes. Its just okay.
Fate/ stay night Heaven's feel trilogy: The Fate/zero route is quite a bit better.
A silent voice: It is a great movie but is rather inconsistent in terms of enjoyment (i.e.: first part)
Spirited away: Great movie but certainly not the "best anime movie of all time".
86: Its quite repetitive in its plot when trying to emphasise its themes. Its just okay.
Fate/ stay night Heaven's feel trilogy: The Fate/zero route is quite a bit better.
| @GentleDragonite Damn I agree with everything you said, except for Spirited Away which I havent seen The other 4, except Friere I gave them all a medium score due to lack of enjoyment but I still acknowledge them as being good anime |
Reply to Maroonedisback
@LostSpectre Serial Experminets Lain has a wider appeal than that of a cult classic. Who are you trying to appease by speaking on things you haven't seen?
| @Maroonedisback Did you actually look up the definition, because you're still not fucking getting it. LOL |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Reply to LostSpectre
@Maroonedisback Did you actually look up the definition, because you're still not fucking getting it. LOL
| @LostSpectre I don't get why you would say it's a "pretty big stretch" to call SEL simply good and then say it's just some cult classic, "nothing more." But I don't really care to argue. That's not like me so I apologize for the sass. Ah, you meant it was a stretch for SEL to be mentioned in this thread. We'll just have to agree to disagree. |
MaroonedisbackApr 19, 4:16 AM
| @arinthach For example, while a lot of people consider the 1st season of Yakusoku no Neverland (The Promised Neverland) to be one of the greatest anime of all time, I think it's just good. It has a rating of 8.50 and you gave it an 8. I'm not sure I'm getting your point. |
| There are plenty I could list if I took the time to think about it, but the first one that springs to mind is Cowboy Bebop. |
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| FMAB. I don't even think it's good. I actually enjoyed the classic version more. |
| I could never get into Code Geass, I guess it's just a matter of taste. Not sure is SAO is considered great, but I see many people loving it, while it felt boring and even annoying at times. |
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| I think Kaguya is nowhere near being the best romance anime, but it is good. I'll also add to the Frieren pile, people are like "Oh the fact that they don't emote much just makes it more realistic", have you ever had a conversation with someone else in your life? Sure it makes sense for Frieren but for most everyone else? And with the little arc at the end it just starts to feel like a regular shounen again. I just couldn't get into any humor it tried or latch on to the characters, I could only latch on to the things that happened to the characters. It posed some interesting questions and themes and the premise is really unique but it just ended up a solid "good". Also Chainsaw Man, idk maybe people just like it because they're horny for dommy mommies or something. The only thing I really thought while watching was, "wow, this is so pretty and well directed." Denji being a bit of a jerk and having a really fun reason for going through this shit is unique but I don't think he's particularly interesting or entertaining. Power was... idk. Aki was cool. Makima is interesting for how powerful and stuff she is but beyond that I just don't care. I did like Himeno and her story though. I also loved the multiple EDs. |
No watch list sig cuz "You watch anime in 3 days or 3 months! Such is the proper way!" |
| Nana and code geass... I mean I see why they're so loved but I just couldn't get into them for the life of me. I ended up liking sousou no frieren but I'm so sick of emotionless protagonists. I liked it less than most. |
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Reply to RobertBobert
@Taynix Many people love ERASED as manga, as the anime is notorious for making monstrous cuts to material and trying to adapt a whole bunch of chapters into a couple of episodes.
@BlueBullet178 You are comparing somewhat incomparable things. Bloom into you is revolutionary and significant because it is the rare non-fetishized yuri that could easily be taken as a regular romance show if one of the characters were a boy. Because the author directly deconstructed many of the toxic yuri cliches (for example, it fundamentally abandoned the all-female setting and gave the characters the opportunity to directly discuss sexuality). At the same time, Magical Revolution is a yuri wish fulfillment fantasy.
@Yuu_Kanzaki Well, the author himself called it overrated and didn't understand why it became SO popular. This is a pretty high-quality and exciting show, but as many have noted, many of its ideas are rather derivative.
@BlueBullet178 You are comparing somewhat incomparable things. Bloom into you is revolutionary and significant because it is the rare non-fetishized yuri that could easily be taken as a regular romance show if one of the characters were a boy. Because the author directly deconstructed many of the toxic yuri cliches (for example, it fundamentally abandoned the all-female setting and gave the characters the opportunity to directly discuss sexuality). At the same time, Magical Revolution is a yuri wish fulfillment fantasy.
@Yuu_Kanzaki Well, the author himself called it overrated and didn't understand why it became SO popular. This is a pretty high-quality and exciting show, but as many have noted, many of its ideas are rather derivative.
RobertBobert said: You are comparing somewhat incomparable things. Bloom into you is revolutionary and significant because it is the rare non-fetishized yuri that could easily be taken as a regular romance show if one of the characters were a boy. Because the author directly deconstructed many of the toxic yuri cliches (for example, it fundamentally abandoned the all-female setting and gave the characters the opportunity to directly discuss sexuality). At the same time, Magical Revolution is a yuri wish fulfillment fantasy. I wasn't really comparing the two. I just said I enjoyed the one more than the other. I also disagree that MagiRevo is a yuri wish fulfillment. It is a fantasy/isekai show that has a yuri relationship as the main romance. I like Bloom Into You because it is like you said, written like an actual romance story not just fetish material. I just think that it left a lot on the table and would like to see more shows like Bloom into You, but better. The yuri genre is making progress, but it is slow going. I also think that a lot of yuri shows are written with the shounen romance tropes that I dislike. It would be nice to see a yuri anime that is done in the style of a shoujo romance. |
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Reply to Zimmu
@BlueBullet178
Ok thanks for your compliment on that gif. But how is my Frieren take a L? I said it’s perfect adaptation, and I said the characters are good but not too stunning. I’m being very objective here when I said it. I’m not even shitting on the show lmao. It’s not like I hate the series bruh, I watched the series on payed subscription and even bought 12 physical copies of the manga after the anime finished because I enjoyed it. But still Frieren characters just aren’t extraordinarily written. There are many many more anime with interesting characters AND better written 🤷♂️
Ok thanks for your compliment on that gif. But how is my Frieren take a L? I said it’s perfect adaptation, and I said the characters are good but not too stunning. I’m being very objective here when I said it. I’m not even shitting on the show lmao. It’s not like I hate the series bruh, I watched the series on payed subscription and even bought 12 physical copies of the manga after the anime finished because I enjoyed it. But still Frieren characters just aren’t extraordinarily written. There are many many more anime with interesting characters AND better written 🤷♂️
| @Zimmu I saw L so I said L. I think that if you look at Frieren on the broader scale, it is definitely one of the greats. It brought fantasy anime to the mainstream. Even the people who strongly dislike any kind of isekai or fantasy anime couldn't help but to love Frieren. If they would start overdoing the characters, or catering to any one fan group more heavily, they would lose the broader appeal. It's an anime that everyone can get enjoyment from. Yes, there are niche shows that have the exact combination of things one may like, but that is not what Frieren is trying to be. Tbh, there are a couple shows I like more than Frieren, but I don't think that means Frieren isn't a great show. |
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Reply to BlueBullet178
@Zimmu I saw L so I said L. I think that if you look at Frieren on the broader scale, it is definitely one of the greats. It brought fantasy anime to the mainstream. Even the people who strongly dislike any kind of isekai or fantasy anime couldn't help but to love Frieren. If they would start overdoing the characters, or catering to any one fan group more heavily, they would lose the broader appeal. It's an anime that everyone can get enjoyment from. Yes, there are niche shows that have the exact combination of things one may like, but that is not what Frieren is trying to be. Tbh, there are a couple shows I like more than Frieren, but I don't think that means Frieren isn't a great show.
| @BlueBullet178 I think that if you look at Frieren on the broader scale, it is definitely one of the greats. We can all have our opinions, but for me, Frieren is great interms of being a good produced anime. Thats for sure, as it stands out in the fantasy genre. For you, you think its great in terms of the story and characters, which I would still argue otherwise but I agree with you that, as someone who doesn't like fantasy, Frieren is one of the few which I really did enjoy. Nevertheless, I don't think Frieren made fantasy mainstream. There are so many shows back in the days that made fantasy a mainstream genre, and Frieren did not do that. In summary, my point is, Frieren is good as an anime with great animation, sound tracks and pacing. The story and characters are good, but nothing too extraodinary. You can think otherwise but, I think you tend to speak for everyone. For example you said: "Even the people who strongly dislike any kind of isekai or fantasy anime couldn't help but to love Frieren" "It's an anime that everyone can get enjoyment from." "It brought fantasy anime to the mainstream" These statements are just being wayyyy too absolute. I said some absolute things too, but most of them I just tried to give my own POV but you are speaking too generally. Just so you know though. |
| Steins Gate clearly. The first 5 or 6 episodes I'd score 6's. The latter half was great (if repetitive) and frankly I thought the conclusion was deus ex machina. Personally scored a 7. Freiren. I loved it but it's not #1. Top 10 for sure. Even then, I enjoyed Apothecary Diary more and rated it a 9 (Freiren I gave a "high 8" i.e. not quite 9 material but close). Kaguya-sama I found to be rather senseless, annoying and repetitive. I liked the joke delivery, timing, narration, animation and characters (except the male mc is repulsive, frankly). So I appreciated the production aspects and most of the characters but that's it. Scored 6. The 3rd season seems to be even more gushed over so who knows, maybe I'll somehow blitz through S2 to find out if it's the same routine or something different. Gintama I haven't gotten too far into but it's already seeming to be a bit too silly. And I'm not adverse to silly (Best Student Council comes to mind), but it has to be a certain kind of silly, I guess. It's too early to give it a score but I'm leaning to 7. Bocchi the Rock. I really liked it (gave it an 8) and there were some bits worthy of massive repeated re-watching but the universal craze for it seems a bit much (like Freiren in that regard). Boku no Kokoro. Also liked it but I'm not in any hurry to que up the sequel. Scored 7. Takagi-san, Kubo-san wo Mob, Nagatoro, Dress-up Darling are all better IMO and feature a similar situation of an ordinary, herbivore male somehow hooking up with a "high level" female. |
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| vinland saga, its good but people act like its the most best written thing of all time |
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| vinland saga is probably the biggest example of this, really not life-changing or anything but s1 was a banger. others are frieren, fmab, fruits basket, hunter x hunter, clannad, and jojo. i'd say cowboy bebop but i can't even remember most of it right now. and i'd like to rewatch hxh and fmab one day though, and maybe some of jojo. |
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| a lot of "the greatest" animes i hear about is fmab, aot, deathnote, one piece, hxh, steins;gate, serial experiments, vinland, and sousou frieren and i think all of those are great. i hear about mushoku tensei though and that one is ass. |
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| Hunter X Hunter and a lot of Madhouse anime. |
| probably Clannad afterstory. those final episodes were meh |
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| Cowboy Bebop I'm positive that most of the people that think it's so amazing grew up watching it and can't see it without rose colored lenses. It's a pretty basic ass, episodic show with some of the most generic characters to ever exist. Now I understand I can't call it cliche or unoriginal when they set the standard for everyone else after them but I can call boring and shallow. |
Reply to BlueBullet178
RobertBobert said:
You are comparing somewhat incomparable things. Bloom into you is revolutionary and significant because it is the rare non-fetishized yuri that could easily be taken as a regular romance show if one of the characters were a boy. Because the author directly deconstructed many of the toxic yuri cliches (for example, it fundamentally abandoned the all-female setting and gave the characters the opportunity to directly discuss sexuality). At the same time, Magical Revolution is a yuri wish fulfillment fantasy.
You are comparing somewhat incomparable things. Bloom into you is revolutionary and significant because it is the rare non-fetishized yuri that could easily be taken as a regular romance show if one of the characters were a boy. Because the author directly deconstructed many of the toxic yuri cliches (for example, it fundamentally abandoned the all-female setting and gave the characters the opportunity to directly discuss sexuality). At the same time, Magical Revolution is a yuri wish fulfillment fantasy.
I wasn't really comparing the two. I just said I enjoyed the one more than the other. I also disagree that MagiRevo is a yuri wish fulfillment. It is a fantasy/isekai show that has a yuri relationship as the main romance. I like Bloom Into You because it is like you said, written like an actual romance story not just fetish material. I just think that it left a lot on the table and would like to see more shows like Bloom into You, but better. The yuri genre is making progress, but it is slow going. I also think that a lot of yuri shows are written with the shounen romance tropes that I dislike. It would be nice to see a yuri anime that is done in the style of a shoujo romance.
| @BlueBullet178 There's nothing wrong with wish fulfillment when it's done correctly and with respect for the audience. Also, shonen? Not sure, yuri originally emerged as a subgenre of shoujo and many of its tropes, maybe with the exception of moe and ecchi yuri, were taken from shoujo. Especially from MariMite, although this is more Class S than romance in the full sense of the word. For example, Yuri Hime is one of the leading shoujo magazines and most of the manga published there is targeted as shoujo with the exception of rare works like Yuru Yuri. |
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| I never got the appeal for Attack on Titan, but then again, I just watched season 1, but it didn't click with me. |
| Just an avid anime watcher of 18 years, not much else I could say about myself (that I don't want to reveal, of course, just ask if you wanna know more!) "So...look up, face forward, toward your chosen horizon and just...walk on." - Noah, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 |
Clannad...  First season was okay, it went downhill from there, though. |
| For me, it has to be Frieren. It was great, but I just don't find myself fawning over it as much as most people are. Perhaps because people are starved of a good fantasy anime, that they tend to exaggerate Frieren's quality as an anime. It doesn't really innovate anything, and some characters, while cute at times, can also get tropey. It's an 8-9/10 for me. |
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| People say Death Note is one of the greatest, or the greatest. Nah, it's just... good. |
| Frieren, it's a well done show, but that 9.39 score is just ridiculous. |
Reply to kataneer
Frieren, it's a well done show, but that 9.39 score is just ridiculous.
kataneer said: but that 9.39 score is just ridiculous. MAL isn't the only database it's on first place, so it's fair to assume someone paid for bots (read: cheap Indian labor) to put it there. I've been observing various anime databases on a once per year basis for over a decade now. Having a new anime be first place across two of any given databases never happened. Even the Top 10s barely had any resemblance across multiple databases. In the places that like FMA:B, it took this 2009 anime five years to get over the inertia other titles had and reach the top spot. And now Frieren is first place in at least four different anime databases before the BDs are even out. This did not happen organically. It's pretty blatant manipulation, which I wouldn't care that much about. But when this happened organically through the power of memery to the Reviewers anime MAL stepped in to push it down and they haven't done anything about Frieren, yet. I hate the double standard. |
| A lot of people consider Evangelion the best anime ever created. However ı find It just ordinary. |
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Reply to BlueBullet178
@Zimmu I saw L so I said L. I think that if you look at Frieren on the broader scale, it is definitely one of the greats. It brought fantasy anime to the mainstream. Even the people who strongly dislike any kind of isekai or fantasy anime couldn't help but to love Frieren. If they would start overdoing the characters, or catering to any one fan group more heavily, they would lose the broader appeal. It's an anime that everyone can get enjoyment from. Yes, there are niche shows that have the exact combination of things one may like, but that is not what Frieren is trying to be. Tbh, there are a couple shows I like more than Frieren, but I don't think that means Frieren isn't a great show.
BlueBullet178 said: bruh, even if it did bring fantasy to mainstream, it doesn't even compare to the scale of influence that other greats have achieved.I saw L so I said L. I think that if you look at Frieren on the broader scale, it is definitely one of the greats. It brought fantasy anime to the mainstream. |
Reply to TheMechaManiac
The trio of Code Geass, Gurren Lagann and Evangelion. They're all good shows I enjoyed, but calling them the best mecha has to offer is quite a stretch.
| @TheMechaManiac What are the best mecha then? |
| Well for the most recent one I would say Sousou no Frieren. |
| Spirited away ghou i guess its just due to me not emotionally connecting with the movie as much as others did |
| "No matter how hard we fight it we always return to where we're meant to be." |
TheMechaManiac said: then just name those that you regard higher than said three.I don't think mecha has an entry that can classify as a "best" IMHO. There are a lot of titles I really like so I can't choose one. Same deal for other anime genres, I kinda don't like slapping an arbitrary "best" or "worst" label. TheMechaManiac said: tbh i never got the whole deconstruction thing either. Still i find Eva better than most anime i've watched let alone the mecha genre.Evangelion - arguably the hardest to decipher but it derives a lot from Ultraman and "dark Tomino" shows such as Ideon and Gundam. People yap on about the "deconstruction" and "psychology" too much and forget some basic storytelling that is very apparent. TheMechaManiac said: well it did take some elements from SEED like the Kira-Athrun dynamic and two people from the opposite side stranded on an island thing but that's all of it. It's more Lotgh + Death Note than Gundam. It doesn't go to space. It doesn't have the "evolve mankind into higher level being" sentiment. Plus i actually think Char is overhyped. He's got charisma and vision but i can't say the same with his leadership and wit.Code Geass - Gundam except Char is the protagonist, and everything's more over-the-top and theatrical. The show really doesn't try to hide that it's Gundam with an (admittedly very slick and eye-catching) coat of paint. TheMechaManiac said: i've never read/watched the original Getter Robo, nor did i like the fanservices in Gurren Lagann, but i HAVE watched GR Armageddon and while it is a great series, it's not better than GL.Gurren Lagann - Getter Robo under a different name and with a few hot chicks thrown in for good measure. This one's more forgiveable than Geass given few people knew about Getter at the time, but groundbreaking it is not. It runs on the homage factor entirely. |
| These are the ones that came to mind: -Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood -Sword Art online -Fate/stay night -Sakura-sou no Pet na Kanojo -Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru Overall I enjoyed these series, and gave them at least 6-7 points, but I don't think they're great, or memorable. |
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| In terms of old classics I'd say Monster and GTO |
| Honestly, a great example of this would be Frieren. Sure it's ok, but not #1 worthy. For me it just seemed like nothing special and all of the praise that it got just made me enjoy it less and less as my expectations got higher. |
| Spy x Family for me. I think it's because of the hype. |
| FMA:B is the type of media to do everything consistently well and in an inoffensive way yet it doesn't excel at anything in particular. I've seen it being described as "The Shawshank Redemption" of MAL and that's probably true. FMA:B is the nerdy guy who always went to class, had perfect notes yet you talked with them and they only replied with monosyllables and simple "yes" and "no" replies in a boring way. Granted I watched it a long time ago, but it just didn't impact me in any way. It's not bad it's just... okay, honestly. |
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Reply to -Kugeki-
Frieren. I really like it though & It's been a breath of fresh air for the fantasy genre, but I can't say it deserves the top spot. It did have a very strong beginning & middle but I felt like the first class mage arc was a tad bit too long. I might change my mind if it does pick its self later.
A Silent Voice. I know many deem this the best anime film but I honestly couldn't see it. I really wanted to love this movie but I felt like it would've worked better as a 13 episode show. The pacing was a pretty fast for my liking & I couldn't get invested enough.
A Silent Voice. I know many deem this the best anime film but I honestly couldn't see it. I really wanted to love this movie but I felt like it would've worked better as a 13 episode show. The pacing was a pretty fast for my liking & I couldn't get invested enough.
| @-Kugeki- I agree. It was great, I really liked it tbh. But being at the topmost spot considering all the Anime of all time is a bit too much. |
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