Ionliosite2 said: how about you work on your reading comprehension ion-kun.Mugiwara_Luffyy said: op has watched things like patlabor, *gundam, macross, lupin the third, battleship yamato which most of the malers don't touch or even heard of, i don't think it really applies to him. if anything, he is more experience than your average mal poster. He also has a ton of SnK as his favourites, so he is just your usual MAL user doing a bait thread. |
| That's funny cause when I compare anime to Literature [Herodotos, Shakespear] etc. it Anime is way higher, when I compare it to music [Chopin, Bethoveen, Tchaikovsy] again Anime is higher, Cinema if we speak about Hollywood, everything is better than those sex cheap stories, paintings as much as they look nice a single piece of art is worse than anime, no matter if we compare Matejko, Van Gogh or someone else, theather too, other media too. So far nothing has been better than anime x). akiramado19 said: Writing and art style designed only to sell, to appeal to the lowest common denominator audience and to deliver a drip-feed of dopamine, with no regard for individuality or innovation Oh that's even more funnier you've just described Cinema, Paintings, Theathers, Music and every kind of art which exists with those words, you've really thought that Hans Zimmer or Chopin were making music not for money? That Matejko painted for himself? Theathers scripters and actors not playing for money? Actors and Directors not making movies for money? That is quite interesting that you're saying that about anime and not seeing that in all other media. |
Mugiwara_Luffyy said: Ionliosite2 said: how about you work on your reading comprehension ion-kun.He also has a ton of SnK as his favourites, so he is just your usual MAL user doing a bait thread. I read the whole thread already, and I understand that you are talking about that he watched shows that aren't popular between most of MAL users, but I don't think that having watched those = having more experience. |
| Fair enough. What really matters is that anime can do things that only anime and no other media can do, whether in terms of visual presentation (e.g. Bocchi the Rock!) or writing (e.g. Ishuzoku Reviewers). |
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| so true ooomfie, ngl you're spitting fire no cap |
Ionliosite2 said: but definitely more experience than someone who watches seasonal shit and shounenshit only. that's what i am talking about here.Mugiwara_Luffyy said: how about you work on your reading comprehension ion-kun. I read the whole thread already, and I understand that you are talking about that he watched shows that aren't popular between most of MAL users, but I don't think that having watched those = having more experience. |
| Mugiwara_Luffyy said: Imagine calling someone a "dumbass" for pointing something out. I did read it thank you very much. What's up with all these edgy shounen loving kiddo like you being edgy? Tropisch said: only if you were not a dumbass with zero reading comprehension, and had read my complete post.... you wouldn't had said something like that. how many anime have you watched from the anime i mentioned?You serious dude? Half of OP's list is generic shounen. "More experienced" my ass. key word: "average mal poster" [font="\"Helvetica neue\", Helvetica, \"lucida grande\", tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif"]pretty sure your average mal poster won't touch something like patlabor, macross, lupin, yamato etc.... just bcs he has watched more shounen doesn't negates anything i have said.[/font] |
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Tropisch said: you didn't "pointed out something" you misinterpreted my whole post....and proceed to try something funny Imagine calling someone a "dumbass" for pointing something out. Tropisch said: 1.i am not shounen loving kiddo. i hate shounen and its fan like any other shounen hater.What's up with all these edgy shounen loving kiddo like you being edgy? 2.why are you crying like those twitter karens who starts whining after getting pointed out for wrong? lol |
Mugiwara_LuffyyJan 10, 2023 10:01 AM
| Nah, every other art form is just as soulless. 90% of everything is trash. Doesn't matter if it's music, anime, movies, youtube videos, novels, etc., most of them are either just trying to make a quick buck or aren't enjoyable to many people who aren't the creator. |
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| Anno pouring his depression into Evangelion is only meant to sale, okay sure |
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Mugiwara_Luffyy said: Sure whatever kid. Not even crying, just pointing out you acting like an edgelord for no reason at all. You didn't point out anything to me, other than calling me a dumbass just to do it. Tropisch said: you didn't "pointed out something" you misinterpreted my whole post....and proceed to try something funny Imagine calling someone a "dumbass" for pointing something out. Tropisch said: 1.i am not shounen loving kiddo. i hate shounen and its fan like any other shounen hater.What's up with all these edgy shounen loving kiddo like you being edgy? 2.why are you crying like those twitter karens who starts whining after getting pointed out for wrong? lol |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
| Anime is pretty far from being a bad art form in my opinion. Mumble rap, color field painting, and post-painterly abstraction are some examples of art forms that are way worse. |
| Really? Anime produces the most "soulless slops"? While I'm not one to mindlessly praise anime as being better than all other mediums, have you not seen the many, MANY soulless reboots of past movies and tv shows lately? Have you not heard the various trashy songs both past and current that somehow have even trashier music videos? There's been countless movies over the years, yet people still praise a movie from the 1940s as the greatest movie of all time. It's up to you if that's relevant or not, just thought I'd toss that out there... |
| Modern music seems like one of the the best contenders for lowest art form for me along with most Western kids shows (both cartoon and live action). With anime sitting comfortably at the #4 spot for lowest art form. I still agree that the bar for what is considered a "masterpiece" in this medium among fans is stupidly low (I mean just look at the top anime these past several years lol) but lowest of the low seems like a stretch. edit: You know what I change my mind. Anime is #5 lowest art form. Just remembered Hollywood exists so that's probably at the #2 spot for lowest, being contender for #1. But also this is really rich coming from a fucking AOT fan lol. |
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| pop music is way worse. Someone behind the scenes writes the song, someone behind the scenes creates the image, someone else writes the lyrics, the music is filtered through a hundred layers of production so that it can never be reproduced in a live setting. The actual performer has nothing to do with it but gets all the credit. All to create some 3 minute piece of "art" that will be forgotten and replaced soon with another one just like it. Yes there's a lot of garbage anime. But most properties can be traced back to an individual person who wrote the story and created the designs. Even if his writing sucks, one individual artist creating what he wants to create is inherently more "artistic" than the corporate music industry assembly line. |
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akiramado19 said: Paladin23 said: But your average "woke" crap coming out of western media is miles above the greatest anime series. Look at Rian Johnson's The Menu, it may be your average RICH ARE...LE BAD schlock but for your common anime fan something like this in anime form would be peak fiction.I disagree some studios may just pump out soulless projects but look at studios like Cloverwork, Wit, Silver link, Madhouse My dress up darling, akebi sailor uniform, no gun no life, death March to the parallel world rhapsody all have beautiful artsyles and enjoyable stories. Cloverwork kills it but with my dress up darling and akebi sailor uniform some of the scenes wouldn't look out of place in an art gallery The lowest art form is the soulless woke diverse crap coming out of western media edit: Mark Mylod If you actually think this, you are honestly one of the biggest clowns I have seen online |
| Why is this Mugirara guy defending the OP so much? |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Kafka, Fu Xuan, Jingliu, Topaz and Huohuo. |
| I take it you've somehow never listened to music or watched a film in your life if you think these qualities are unique to anime. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| no form of art is superior to another |
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akiramado19 said: RitoDeviluke said: You are exactly like the user that I mentionned above. You know if you had made a thread I wouldn't feel like going to your profile, analyze your "taste" and then reply you with a bias.maybe you should stop watching? its hard to take you seriously when your posting stuff like this when you are rating AoT a 10 out of 10 score and akudama drive a 7/10. if you hate anime so much just stop watching it. your not being edgy, its not interesting, it doesn't make people like you . Its just annoying, your like every kid in middle school who talked shit about pokemon cause everyone liked it, if you don't like anime stop watching it, that simple. I feel like you people on MAL never ever discuss irl. Yes, i did watch anime in the past and still consoom from time to time but that doesn't mean I find the medium content extremely rich. oh get off your high horse. i judge your taste because you call certain anime souless and shows an obvious lack of writing or "innovation" somehow . while at the same time rating some really souless unoriginal works 10/10. its almost to the point where i dont even believe you are like a real person and create these type of threads simply to try to start argument, then retreat into your fake bubble feining innocence like you were actually looking to have a real debate. |
   💀🖤🥀˜”*°•.˜”*°•𝓘𝓯 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝔀𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓽𝓸 𝔀𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓮 𝓪 𝓼𝓽𝓸𝓻𝔂 𝔀𝓲𝓽𝓱 𝓶𝓮 𝓲𝓷 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓵𝓮𝓪𝓭 𝓻𝓸𝓵𝓮, 𝓲𝓽 𝔀𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭 𝓬𝓮𝓻𝓽𝓪𝓲𝓷𝓵𝔂 𝓫𝓮... 𝓪 𝓽𝓻𝓪𝓰𝓮𝓭𝔂.•°*”˜•°*”˜💀🖤🥀 |
RitoDeviluke said: oh get off your high horse. i judge your taste because you call certain anime souless and shows an obvious lack of writing or "innovation" somehow . while at the same time rating some really souless unoriginal works 10/10. its almost to the point where i dont even believe you are like a real person and create these type of threads simply to try to start argument, then retreat into your fake bubble feining innocence like you were actually looking to have a real debate. the OP in a nutshell > go to an Anime forum and create a bait thread to decry Anime > receive backlash from most people > act like a victim and ignore any users who are against him |
| Ha yes, soulless, unlike other mediums filled with people who spend their time on social media and television talking shit about their audience and the source materials they're using to make adaptations completely missing the point then talking even more shit because they don't understand what went wrong. Anime is doing very well financially, some of those other mediums are having trouble apparently... I'm not sure if it's because it "appeals to the lowest common denominator," but one thing is certain: a lot of people are more drawn to anime right now because they can't find what they're looking for in other mediums and if what you said is correct then I don't know what it says about anime but I know what it says about the other mediums and it's a shame. |
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akiramado19 said: boy do i have some news for you about... most of the entertainment industry (in all of the world) lmaoWriting and art style designed only to sell |
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kizumi91 said: agreed. hopefully, they can get over themselves. I'm more than willing to debate why you think anime is a lower artform but I will not believe someone is trying to actually have a conversation when they approach conversations by calling things ; souless, slop and lacking all innovation. especially considering that most media you will find in the mainstream nowadays is exactly that. Thanks for your reply RitoDeviluke said: oh get off your high horse. i judge your taste because you call certain anime souless and shows an obvious lack of writing or "innovation" somehow . while at the same time rating some really souless unoriginal works 10/10. its almost to the point where i dont even believe you are like a real person and create these type of threads simply to try to start argument, then retreat into your fake bubble feining innocence like you were actually looking to have a real debate. the OP in a nutshell > go to an Anime forum and create a bait thread to decry Anime > receive backlash from most people > act like a victim and ignore any users who are against him |
| 💀🖤🥀˜”*°•.˜”*°•𝓘𝓯 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝔀𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓽𝓸 𝔀𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓮 𝓪 𝓼𝓽𝓸𝓻𝔂 𝔀𝓲𝓽𝓱 𝓶𝓮 𝓲𝓷 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓵𝓮𝓪𝓭 𝓻𝓸𝓵𝓮, 𝓲𝓽 𝔀𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭 𝓬𝓮𝓻𝓽𝓪𝓲𝓷𝓵𝔂 𝓫𝓮... 𝓪 𝓽𝓻𝓪𝓰𝓮𝓭𝔂.•°*”˜•°*”˜💀🖤🥀 |
| art isn’t real, so it’s all bad. we need to stop making art. |
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El001 said: How it feels to read jabberwocky for the first time.Agree. I mean, she went into the garden to cut a cabbage-leaf to make an apple-pie; and at the same time a great she-bear, coming up the street, pops its head into the shop. “What! No soap?” So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Joblillies, and the Garyulies, and the grand Panjandrum himself, with the little round button at top, and they all fell to playing the game of catch as catch can till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of their boots.  |
| This is such a bait, try harder. It’s cringe |
| Dunno, I like it myself. It's fun to watch. |
| Not sure if you're still looking at the replies, but I'd like to say my two cents about this topic. Honestly, I disagree. Yes, a lot of anime has "Writing and art style designed only to sell, to appeal to the lowest common denominator audience and to deliver a drip-feed of dopamine, with no regard for individuality or innovation," but anime is a medium like any other. You could also easily find examples of TV shows, movies, music, etc that fit that same criteria. I do think that people who ONLY watch anime are doing themselves a disservice since every type of media has its gems, but I could say the same about people who refuse to watch anime purely because "it's anime". There are amazing stories in every medium, and you shouldn't completely disregard any of them. A story like The Thing (1982) wouldn't work well in animation form, but something like Land of The Lustrous (mainly the manga) wouldn't work in live-action (or even in prose) either, and I think both are masterpieces. Violet Evergarden wouldn't be as emotional if it wasn't beautifully animated, just like how Inglorious Basterds wouldn't be as brutal if it wasn't live-action. Every medium has their perks and their unique stories to be told |
DeaneJan 10, 2023 4:30 PM
| nice bait, try harder next time please |
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RareWRLD said: Anno pouring his depression into Evangelion is only meant to sale, okay sure HAHAHAHAHA BEST JOKE I HAVE HEARD THIS YEAR Wait until you find out about the rebuilds |
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im_garbage6669 said: says the one who have their list closed to the public. I don't feel like taking into account what somebody influencable, bulliable enough to be scared of expressing what they like have to say. But what bother me the most is, like the other two individuals i was arguing with before, you just make another ad hominem instead of saying something very valuable to the conversation.You’re saying this with the list you have lmao… there are way worse mediums if you open your eyes |
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| Thank you for the reply Alokr said: From my experience, the anime community would disagree with you on that regards.Simply put, anime just fulfills a need for "aesthetics" it has little to no Intellectual value and it is made to be "consumed". So anime is by all means Kitsch. You can still call it art, but it will never have a World Heritage artistic value... |
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RitoDeviluke said: Homie if you want to talk I'm all hear. I'm not going to click on your profile and judge your taste according to mine, this is childish.kizumi91 said: agreed. hopefully, they can get over themselves. I'm more than willing to debate why you think anime is a lower artform but I will not believe someone is trying to actually have a conversation when they approach conversations by calling things ; souless, slop and lacking all innovation. especially considering that most media you will find in the mainstream nowadays is exactly that. Thanks for your reply the OP in a nutshell > go to an Anime forum and create a bait thread to decry Anime > receive backlash from most people > act like a victim and ignore any users who are against him |
| "I can't trust a website where csm is rated higher than hxh" - Akira Toriyama |
| Oye! I made a kind of similar thread a long time ago. Interesting to read your thoughts. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
| I think even the worst anime would still beat worst B-movie by a wide margin. Just look at this hideous thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsYA8Gr5NTY&ab_channel=RetromanIE Check out every movie by Ronald Reagan (later President). He himself said about them: 'they did not want them good, they wanted them Tuesday' And it is far not the worst of them. As for hideous books: https://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-Book-Trilogy/dp/0345803485 https://www.amazon.com.au/Twilight-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316015849 I cannot easily recall any hideous art or music for my treasury houses only the finest. Hideous has no place there. Therefore anime is the highest form of art, not the lowest. |
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| I'd say art is just another concept open for interpretation. Certain forms of art make no sense to people. Plus certain art is appreciated and certain art is condemned. I can look at two people conversing and be impressed, to the point I call it art. Watching anime is similar to being in an art gallery. You look at the works of an artist and it brings certain emotions within you. In my opinion not much different from the emotions, watching an anime can bring within you. |
akiramado19 said: What do rebuilds have to do with anime released in 1995? HAHAHAHAHA BEST JOKE I HAVE HEARD THIS YEAR Wait until you find out about the rebuilds |
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akiramado19 said: Welp, calling people childish but at the same time you think Anime is the lowest art form based on your taste. What a double standard moment.Homie if you want to talk I'm all hear. I'm not going to click on your profile and judge your taste according to mine, this is childish. |
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