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| they modified the plot so much and never talked about whats up with emilico being kidnapped as well?? cloverworks please dont fuck this up anymore |
sbenelaJun 21, 2021 1:19 PM
avil said: alshu said: Now that's uncharacteristic thing for Kate, to spill the beans immediately before everyone from her debut group. Was this act part of the manga or anime original? (I mean I want to know only about this act not everything that happens in the manga.) IT IS uncharacteristic. I was afraid that in anime Kate just gonna go ahead and tell everybody else aside from John about dolls. If some things that was skipped in anime aren't that glaring (I even could complement anime for "keeping the slow pace"), that one part you can clearly see doesn't get along very well with what was shown before. Conclusions and reveals started popping out like shrooms after a rain all of a sudden, pacing got ruined right before the end. You can tell that ending is going to be different, and that's kind of sad. they changed kate so much this episode she was apprehensive of telling stuff to john in the manga and now she just spills the beans to everyone and especially next to their brainwashed dolls?? that was so out of character |
| This is stupid! Kate is very careful in manga; and there is a reason - will be explained in the next ep. She doesn't turn all fragile and go all "everybody plz halpppp they took mah Emilico... sobs..." mode. In manga Emilico's kidnapping never happens. This may be how they change the missing "robe person" from ep 4. In the source, it's just Kate and John investigating Robe person. Kate DOES NOT trust Louise and Patrick, and even John is viewed more or less trustworthy in her eyes (mostly because John is goofy and may reveal secrets by mistake and shit). In anime, Kate openly goes against the house/Edward and involves EVERYONE else!!! And they AGREE to unite!!! In manga Kate isn't dumb enough to reveal all her cards, endangering herself to be discarded. The development is rushed and diminishes Kate's character by a HUGE margin! |
Sigmar-UnberogenJun 19, 2021 2:49 PM
| And here we have the second anime original story variation. Let's see what the final clash will be like and if in the end the anime adaptation will converge back to the original story or if it will just end with a brand new conclusion. |
sbenela said: they modified the plot so much and never talked about kate being able to whats up with emilico being kidnapped as well?? cloverworks please dont fuck this up anymore bro i get you're upset but don't go around spoiling manga-only content openly |
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| Can't blame CloverWorks for this one considering the author himself is making changes (even tweeted about it earlier). So there's no chance of S2, not that I mind, this show is amazing even with the original ending. |
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| Good to see Emilico's back but in the end, abducted by this alien, afff~ I kinda don't get this episode, some doesnt make sense. Guess I need to read the manga of it afterwards. |
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| It can't make sense as this stuff is anime original stuff. |
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| The episode starts off on Kate trying to break the hypnotised Emilico by using lots of water because soot is weaker to water. Which she is succesful of and Emilico snap out of it to her usual self. Then Kate reveals the secret of Livings dolls to her. The next scene is Emilico missing. And Kate is worried for her. Which she seek John, Louise and Patrick help. The episode ends being Emilico being alone in the room but with veiled doll that his attire looks like Edward. Overall its interesting development on the second half and another build up episode it seems |
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Judevin said: Can't blame CloverWorks for this one considering the author himself is making changes (even tweeted about it earlier). people said the same about tpn2 |
KuroNekoAlchemy said: ??? The author literally tweeted about it bro.Judevin said: Can't blame CloverWorks for this one considering the author himself is making changes (even tweeted about it earlier). people said the same about tpn2 I even translated it for 3 people on the Shadows House episode discussion. Wtf are you talking about. Judevin said: KizuBlade said: First one reads:Can someone translate the author's second post? https://twitter.com/somatoma/status/1388673177258131459 Google translation is really confusing. If I'm not mistaken, the debut arc should be around 3 episodes and it seems what was missing will be introduced later in anime? We had to skip some parts and change the scripts to fit the story in one season. We’d try our best to connect the story so that it makes sense if we can get season two! Second one reads: BTW the reason why it took time to pay off the foreshadowing in manga is because we were planning to finish ‘the reveal’ within like 3episodes. (which we couldn’t)(but that’s the fun part of weekly magazine, you never know what’s gonna happen) |
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Piromysl said: Sir, you're correct. Especially now that subs have lyrics for the ED, it completes the foreshadowing circle.Correct me if I'm wrong. - Ingesting soot (usually in firm of coffee) has an effect on human mind causing them to be more vulnerable to manipulation and brainwashing. That's why there are fuming chimneys everywhere, so they could spread soot around the area, do humans would breath it in. - Living Dolls are actual humans. - Shadows are parasitic beings, who mimic human appearance and eventually take over their bodies. I recommend you to listen to the ED carefully. It foreshadowes everything BUT GUYS, I UNDERSTAND YA CONCERN SINCE TPN S2 was so shit-wack. But again, you have to give credit that the manga-adapted story IS STILL INTACT. They had no choice that the anime-original ending is inevitable, it's not like they can decide to do a Season 2 at the very beginning of the show, making this a 2-cour will be quite expensive on resources and such. Spare it on the author's Twitter tweets and comments on such, at least what we've seen in the past 10 episodes have been faithful to the manga, except for some characters cut out that can't be adapted into the anime because of time reasons. |
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| It looks like CloverWorks changed the plot again ignoring the story line from the manga. This is why I don't trust them anymore. |
| First of all, wanted to give my reaction on the ep itself, in that holy hell. Knew this wasn't gonna be so cute, or least not have that vibe. Wow. I can't wait for more to come. As for what some are freaking out about, I mean. If it's true with what number #68 said when it comes to the author, and being it's what they went with, then can't really complain about it too much. |
| Oh, so that's what we saw at the beginning of the series. I definitely didn't expect them to control entire villages from around the mansion. Dorothy is attractive af! Goddamn. I keep wondering why Kate knows more than she should. Either way, I'm glad Emilico is back to normal. Emilico using a mirror on herself to meet a human was hilarious. Never change, Emilico xD. I thought the veiled doll was Rum but Emilico ended up being kidnapped by Edward huh. What the hell, John, I thought what you handed to Kate was related to the brainwashing not your engagement proposal lol. Also, what better way to dispel the brainwashing than with a fistfight. Ah, the good old John. Louise's power... damn, that's creepy. I love how she's also helping just because she hates Edward. That little thing at the end... is that Shirley? |
| This was a pretty cool episode to watch It seems like Emilico can never catch a break, in these past few episodes. The shadows family is extremely weird, and I wonder what their intentions are with Emilico. Why exactly is she their main target of interest. |
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| It was a great episode... until it diverged from the manga. I still don't know what to feel about the anime original stuff, but as long as they don't do anything that will ruin continuity, I guess it's fine. Though, I think they kinda butchered Kate's character a bit. If you all have time, I suggest giving the manga a try, it's really fucking good plus it's fully colored. John and Shaun beating the shit out of each other was beautiful though lmao, and Emilico being Emilico looking at a mirror. Well I am intrigued where they'll take this anime original stuff, looking forward to the next episode. |
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| i know that it shouldn't be a big deal, but, how the hell did kate figure out the truth? did i miss something? i know they are changing the wrap up in case there is no season 2. and i know they already know how to connect it two season 2 if they ever make one. but i just don't get how kate figured out the truth. did i miss something or did they just hope people didn't realize this? |
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Akihap said: Not exactly.Judevin said: ??? The author literally tweeted about it bro. I even translated it for 3 people on the Shadows House episode discussion. Wtf are you talking about. Well, I have guessed right. They just messed up the end of the anime because they expected to have enough material in the first arc for 13 episode and later they have seen they can only do 11 episode with the first arc, so they will make their own condensed story to be able to finish the anime. But the two remaining episode will be like the 11, very rushed and nothing will make sense, they can't tell and conclude the anime in two episode with this new story without being rushed This is what the author had to say on their twitter about ep11 and going forward. Judevin said: Taken from their twitter: https://twitter.com/somatoma/status/1406281125492789248 First tweet reads: From now on, an extra episode for "reveal arc" will start. We sort of changed the plot in manga but we had the anime script written with situations after ep86 in mind, so we would appreciate if everyone could enjoy these upcoming episodes as a "what if". Second tweet reads: We received the request for this part of the anime while we working on the same part in the manga and we came up with a different plot for the manga after submitting the anime plot. Third tweet reads: But we wrote anime's plot so that it makes sense and connects to the manga after all. Hopefully, this stops people from shitting on Cloverworks, it's not the studio's fault. It's not the author's fault either. P.S. I have no idea what they mean by "situations after ep86 in mind", but that's literally what it says. P.S P.S. Please correct my translations if I'm wrong, thank you. |
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| I knew it. They deviated from the manga. I fell in love with this show immediately after episode 1 and the show looks very spoiler-heavy so I avoided the discussion board. But this episode felt rushed and seems out of place so I checked discussions and as expected, CloverWorks is doing its things again. It still baffles me why this studio always wants to 'end' shows in just one season or two with rushed and condensed plot points from the original source. I'd really prefer an open ending or a cliffhanger instead of adaptation like this, seriously. Now I happened to know the major reveal such as "living dolls are humans" but half-heartedly. Reading the manga won't feel the same anymore cuz now I've lost the buildup and surprise factor. They did the same with Promised Neverland adaptation but I didn't like that one very much from the start so it didn't leave much impact but I'm really salty for Shadows House this time cuz this is such an amazing show at first. Before anyone defending CloverWorks saying "the author changed it, not the studio", I know. The author can tweet or whatever as much as they want about how 'they' changed the ending, I don't believe any author wants to change their original writing and chance for a next season unless they receive consultations (or even pressure) from the studio who's making it. *sigh* It won't feel the same like I said above but I guess I'll go read the manga. I don't have any expectation for last 2 episodes anymore. Judging from the title, the gang will probably go and fight (or use TnJ) against this 'Lord Grandfather', win, and live happily ever after. Can anyone tell me from which chapter should I continue reading? Or should I read from the start anyway? |
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| Ah, a lot of revelations this episode, expanded their world-building element for once, eh? Finally Emilico got freed from the shackles of Lord Grandfather brainwashing. The idea was simple, just let her drinking as much as water she needed, consuming half of the water vessel as a result. A little flashback from Emilico diary also became a good recap to be considered. So, yeah! Kate explained Emilico much things. Kate looked even smarter, broadminded, with a lot of knowledges than i expected before. How the hell she got that much informations? Oh, right, don't fret such a trivial matters. The village part. Ofc the soot coal being the one behind all of those absolute obedience. Well, those John-Shaun fist fight naturally beyond my expectation. Its even freed him too from those brainwashing? Well, okay, i guess. Then, its about time, Edward launched his sneaky plan, abducted Emilico like that by disguising as a veiled doll? Unexpected, moreover with the latest scene when all the kids shadow master decided to helping Kate, for once more. Louise reason get a spotlight from me cause its really straight-forward: she detested him, nothing else! As interesting as this plot proceeded, a lot of questions emerge to the surface. But, as a good motto from this series come as a remainder, i will hold on those shits for a while until the final episode. Lets see.... |
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Renkini said: I knew it. They deviated from the manga. I fell in love with this show immediately after episode 1 and the show looks very spoiler-heavy so I avoided the discussion board. But this episode felt rushed and seems out of place so I checked discussions and as expected, CloverWorks is doing its things again. It still baffles me why this studio always wants to 'end' shows in just one season or two with rushed and condensed plot points from the original source. I'd really prefer an open ending or a cliffhanger instead of adaptation like this, seriously. Now I happened to know the major reveal such as "living dolls are humans" but half-heartedly. Reading the manga won't feel the same anymore cuz now I've lost the buildup and surprise factor. They did the same with Promised Neverland adaptation but I didn't like that one very much from the start so it didn't leave much impact but I'm really salty for Shadows House this time cuz this is such an amazing show at first. Before anyone defending CloverWorks saying "the author changed it, not the studio", I know. The author can tweet or whatever as much as they want about how 'they' changed the ending, I don't believe any author wants to change their original writing and chance for a next season unless they receive consultations (or even pressure) from the studio who's making it. *sigh* It won't feel the same like I said above but I guess I'll go read the manga. I don't have any expectation for last 2 episodes anymore. Judging from the title, the gang will probably go and fight (or use TnJ) against this 'Lord Grandfather', win, and live happily ever after. Can anyone tell me from which chapter should I continue reading? Or should I read from the start anyway? Finally someone who understands that just because the author tweets something, doesn't mean it's true. Just read the manga from the start, they changed shit so if you start where the anime is now, you would have missed out on a lot. |
| kate forcing emilico to drink so much until she puked was hard to watch, john and shaun getting into a physical fight was nice, different methods but hey they both worked. did cloverwork change some stuff again? i mean they already changed some stuff from when they wiped out [beep] but mmmm hope they dont fuck it up too bad at least. |
| As an anime only watcher I knew this was a rushed situation. Drink a lot of water to recover? Kate figured out the origin of the world simply by reading Emiliko's diary? Kate KNOWS what a human is? Bitch you're a black organism, how could you possibly know what it's like to be a human? Simply horrible. |
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Infatuate said: Should we tell him?As an anime only watcher I knew this was a rushed situation. Drink a lot of water to recover? Kate figured out the origin of the world simply by reading Emiliko's diary? Kate KNOWS what a human is? Bitch you're a black organism, how could you possibly know what it's like to be a human? Simply horrible. |
| I'm an anime-only watcher as with all series, so I really do not actually care at all what is or isn't in the manga (or any other source material) and what is or isn't in the anime relative to that. If I watch a series, I'm watching it to see the story that series - its televised iteration - tells, and don't care what happens pertaining to it in other mediums. But with that said, this was another very engaging episode (not at the dramatic heights of episode 10, but with every series there is an up and down with all episodes and you can't have every episode equally be all things at once), but I am a tad worried because, it was subtle, but the pacing and tempo suddenly seemed ratcheted up in comparison to the rest of the season which precedes it. Kate coming out with all that knowledge when we haven't seen anything leading up to the discovery process for her and not much time to really allow it to sink in with Emilico and the audience both before going on to meet John and the other shadows and have every encounter boom boom boom one after the other when the biggest revelations of the series are coming out seemed out of character with Kate's nature and the earlier season. There was: - The higher-ranking members of the Shadows family traveling to the village and showing the recruiting/abduction process by which human children are kidnapped, brainwashed/memory wiped, and turned into living dolls - Kate sharing with the audience and Emilico that she knows at least about part of all this which is going on - Kate restoring Emilico's memory and personality - Emilico being kidnapped - Kate recruiting John, Patrick, and Louise to help rescue Emilico In previous episodes, just one of these would have been the centerpiece of action and drama in an episode with a lot more dialogue/worldbuilding/character development apart from it. It's still my favorite series of the season (out of 11 shows of the season I've seen, no less!), but this is precisely what I dislike about most 11 - 13 episode series and how breakneck the pacing seemingly must inevitably become, especially in the last quarter of the season. I would really have preferred most of the episode just being devoted to Kate and Emilico coming to terms with this psychologically and emotionally after Emilico is healed physically, probing the implications of it, etc. and if time was spent on anything else, it could have gone toward filling out the backstory and explanation behind why exactly Kate knows any of this and how it has informed her actions and attitudes (towards Emilico, the other shadows and living dolls, and Shadows family and her position in the manor as a whole) up to this point. She has been reserved, cautious, and secretive up to this point. Can we explore more of why that is considering, going based off of what's depicted in the show, shadows are not supposed to have any innate personality and quirks until learning and being influenced by the behavior of their dolls and then their dolls picking it up back from them in turn in a feedback loop to create one whole person as the end result? So why would Kate have any reason to be so inherently wise, guarded, and mistrustful considering that's the opposite of how Emilico is shown to be? Exploration of any of these details could make an episode in and of itself. When it gets to such a point, I worry that there will be a war over time allocation for: A) The action required to drive the story forward - plot developments and B) Characters' reactions to said developments to actually make it feel sufficiently impactful |
WatchTillTandavaJun 20, 2021 10:33 AM
| Woah, what happened to the pacing here? After that impacful cliffhanger at the end of last episode, it felt like everything started moving way too quickly. From Kate easily finding out about how to undo the brainwashing to learning the truth of the Living Dolls (how did she so easily access that information that the nobles presumably want to keep hidden from younger Shadows?) to Emilico getting kidnapped literally minutes after Kate told her the truth, it all feels very rushed. Also, it feels very out of character for Kate to be so gung ho about telling everyone the truth, regardless of what happened to Emilico: does it not even once occur to her that she can't necessarly trust her fellow debutants or that they're being monitored, as they obviously must be for Emilico to be kidnapped so quickly after learning the truth? Even as someone who's yet to read the manga, I can tell this has deviated from the source material in much the same way Promised Neverland did. The leaps in logic and glossing over of crucial, world-changing details is alarmingly similar to what happened there. This show has been great so far, please don't let it fall apart at the end because of Cloverworks' incompetence. |
| This episode felt so off from all the other amazing ones and turns out it's because they're deviating a lot from the source. As expected... |
bagin said: I wonder what the ending of this show will be now that it's diverged lol really? what changed if it's not pain in the ass |
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| So... maybe I missed something but how does Kate know about the Shadow nobles visiting nearby villages to kidnap human kids? Other than that, another interesting episode. Emilico returned to her senses but was kidnapped by salty Edward so now it's Kate's turn to strengthen their bond by saving her. Parts with Lou's changing moods and John's manly way to bring Shaun back from soot oblivion were quite funny, by the way. And on a side note, people complaining about the anime "diverging" from the manga are such a pain. The author himself already tweeted about the reasons behind this and if there's a chance of a second season in the future, he and the team will make the necessary changes to connect the dots, narratively speaking. |
aryandil said: sbenela said: they modified the plot so much and never talked about kate being able to whats up with emilico being kidnapped as well?? cloverworks please dont fuck this up anymore bro i get you're upset but don't go around spoiling manga-only content openly thank you for telling me!! i edited the post to put a spoiler warning i was really heated while writing that comment but it really wasnt okay for me to spoil, sorry about that |
| I dont like this episode, not because I read manga but with changes, they killed pace of this segment and it feels too rushed. Maybe ep 12 will patch it but for now it's the weakest episode. Yup I read manga, but Im not hater of some changes. |
sbenela said: thank you for telling me!! i edited the post to put a spoiler warning i was really heated while writing that comment but it really wasnt okay for me to spoil, sorry about that no worries; thanks for going back to edit. |
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| Lot of people already declaring this a TPN 2.0. As an anime-only, before this thread, I didn't really notice anything too strange other than Kate revealing things so quickly. With the mangaka pitching in I still have hope this will have a good ending. |
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