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| That was a good episode. The 4D chess that they played is insane. I like the name that Adler takes, it's almost like they're creating a backstory for how the later James Bond was inspired by some agent in the 19th century. Also further establishing that James Bond is more of a job title than a person's name. samashi20 said: They're not the bad guys technically, they've always been the good guys. So it makes sense that they're patriotic and therefore want to scapegoat themselves to unite everyone and attain equality.I feel like it's unlikely, but I hope the Moriarty's are not serious about going down as the scapegoat, I wouldn't like that ending. I want the villains/antagonists to win for once lol. What would be interesting is if they start targeting high ranked individuals and Mycroft can't do shit to stop them because they know too much. He can't kill them because obviously they'll have contingency plans to expose everything, and he can't stop them either. So it's like a complete onslaught where the only one with ability to stop Moriarty would be Sherlock since he's the only one out of the loop of the deal. And obviously, Sherlock knows that Lord of Crime only kills corrupt nobles, so does he really have a motive to stop Moriarty? So I'm pretty sure at some point in this story, Moriarty is going to get too carried away with his plan which will cause harm to both nobles and commoners alike as he states with Robespierre. Therefore, creating the "scapegoat" that he talked about. Eventually becoming the villain of the story, albeit with good intentions, which in turn would get Sherlock on his ass again. |
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Judevin said: That was a good episode. The 4D chess that they played is insane. I like the name that Adler takes, it's almost like they're creating a backstory for how the later James Bond was inspired by some agent in the 19th century. Also further establishing that James Bond is more of a job title than a person's name. samashi20 said: They're not the bad guys technically, they've always been the good guys. So it makes sense that they're patriotic and therefore want to scapegoat themselves to unite everyone and attain equality.I feel like it's unlikely, but I hope the Moriarty's are not serious about going down as the scapegoat, I wouldn't like that ending. I want the villains/antagonists to win for once lol. What would be interesting is if they start targeting high ranked individuals and Mycroft can't do shit to stop them because they know too much. He can't kill them because obviously they'll have contingency plans to expose everything, and he can't stop them either. So it's like a complete onslaught where the only one with ability to stop Moriarty would be Sherlock since he's the only one out of the loop of the deal. And obviously, Sherlock knows that Lord of Crime only kills corrupt nobles, so does he really have a motive to stop Moriarty? So I'm pretty sure at some point in this story, Moriarty is going to get too carried away with his plan which will cause harm to both nobles and commoners alike as he states with Robespierre. Therefore, creating the "scapegoat" that he talked about. Eventually becoming the villain of the story, albeit with good intentions, which in turn would get Sherlock on his ass again. I'm pretty sure Sherlock doesn't like William's methods and wants to ultimately reveal their true identity. They might have the same goals in mind and want to reform their society, but they definitely have different moral principles. So regardless of the good intentions of Moriarty, he would still go after him. He let it slide this time though for the sake of Irene. Edit: The previous season really portrayed Sherlock as someone who's really not after justice as much as he is after fulfilling his desire of solving more intriguing cases. It felt like he wants to be challenged more than anything. I too believe that Moriarty will set his plans in such a way that gets Sherlock back on his case, and he will probably be the one to take him down. Everything is starting to fall into place, but man how I wish the Moriarty's could flee to another country or get away with what they did and what they will do. |
samashi20Apr 19, 2021 12:02 AM
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samashi20 said: I'm hoping this will leave on an inconclusive end, where Sherlock and Moriarty just always stay in stalemate.Judevin said: That was a good episode. The 4D chess that they played is insane. I like the name that Adler takes, it's almost like they're creating a backstory for how the later James Bond was inspired by some agent in the 19th century. Also further establishing that James Bond is more of a job title than a person's name. They're not the bad guys technically, they've always been the good guys. So it makes sense that they're patriotic and therefore want to scapegoat themselves to unite everyone and attain equality. What would be interesting is if they start targeting high ranked individuals and Mycroft can't do shit to stop them because they know too much. He can't kill them because obviously they'll have contingency plans to expose everything, and he can't stop them either. So it's like a complete onslaught where the only one with ability to stop Moriarty would be Sherlock since he's the only one out of the loop of the deal. And obviously, Sherlock knows that Lord of Crime only kills corrupt nobles, so does he really have a motive to stop Moriarty? So I'm pretty sure at some point in this story, Moriarty is going to get too carried away with his plan which will cause harm to both nobles and commoners alike as he states with Robespierre. Therefore, creating the "scapegoat" that he talked about. Eventually becoming the villain of the story, albeit with good intentions, which in turn would get Sherlock on his ass again. I'm pretty sure Sherlock doesn't like William's methods and wants to ultimately reveal their true identity. They might have the same goals in mind and want to reform their society, but they definitely have different moral principles. So regardless of the good intentions of Moriarty, he would still go after him. He let it slide this time though for the sake of Irene. I too believe that Moriarty will set his plans in such a way that gets Sherlock back on his case, and he will probably be the one to take him down. Everything is starting to fall into place, but man how I wish the Moriarty's could flee to another country or get away with what they did and what they will do. Moriarty killing people, Sherlock chasing him. "Destined to do it forever" type of thing. I would also not mind an ending where they both kill each other. Sherlock shoots Moriarty, but Moriarty had one last trap up his sleeve and that gets Sherlock and he just dies thinking that he won but still lost. Well the manga hasn't ended so who knows where this will go. |
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Judevin said: I'm hoping this will leave on an inconclusive end, where Sherlock and Moriarty just always stay in stalemate. Moriarty killing people, Sherlock chasing him. "Destined to do it forever" type of thing. I would also not mind an ending where they both kill each other. Sherlock shoots Moriarty, but Moriarty had one last trap up his sleeve and that gets Sherlock and he just dies thinking that he won but still lost. Well the manga hasn't ended so who knows where this will go. I prefer those potential endings over Moriarty getting killed! |
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Judevin said: I like the name that Adler takes, it's almost like they're creating a backstory for how the later James Bond was inspired by some agent in the 19th century. Also further establishing that James Bond is more of a job title than a person's name. This. Thought the same and honestly think it was a smart move rather than just a cringe reference. Now with this arc done I hope they go back to focusing on Moriarty's side killing nobles than continuing with the Sherlock perspective. |
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| This show is so over-the-top and silly. |
| Holy shit, that was a fantastic episode! Sherlock is really getting played in all the shit that's happening here lmao. But, for sure, he himself is excited for what's to come. As am I. Robespierre really code geassed the French Revolution, I don't know how accurate that is, but it's still pretty cool. And the the Moriarty brothers goals is basically the same as Robespierre, making themselves the enemy of everyone. I guess it was pretty smart of them to tell Mycroft their plans, the government itself is turning a blind eye to their scheming as long as they aren't a harm to Britain. Well, Irene Adler is dead, but James Bonde is born! Out of all the things, I never would have expected her last name to be Bonde lmao, it's amazing, my jaw dropped when she said it. Can't believe I didn't predict it, I mean she said "new friends... new bonds", should have seen it coming lmao. But yeah, that was fucking awesome. Really looking forward to the next episode. |
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| James Bond, that gave me an unexpected laugh. Curious to see her actions now that she's part of the organization. |
| good ep, didn't really mind the name change. |
| Irene is even hotter now. |
| That James Bonde was so cringe. I'm dropping this thing, sorry. Season 2 does not exist. |
FuMomo-kun said: I read it as country, my bad. Yeah Bond was created in the 1950s or 1960sk0rvus said: I meant James Bond is from a different century. Sherlock is from the late 19th century, while Bond is from the mid twentieth century.No, James Bond was always a British agent. That reference is insane though |
k0rvus said: FuMomo-kun said: I read it as country, my bad. Yeah Bond was created in the 1950s or 1960sI meant James Bond is from a different century. Sherlock is from the late 19th century, while Bond is from the mid twentieth century. Hahaha That happens to me too! |
| This episode was gonna be my favorite until Irene mentioned her new name.....I cackled and cringed lmao |
| Not sure why the subtitle had Bond as Bonde as it's Bond in the Manga And it's a good twist. Don't know why some are struggling with it. |
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| Become pretty boy, utter line worthy of a parody. Iconic. |
whitherApr 19, 2021 7:34 PM
| James bond still makes me laugh lmao but hope some won't drop this bcz of the name (ur choice tho ofc) But hearing the French revolution robespierre being a holmes is interesting I don't remember seeing that in manga but i think i just forgot it Still that was good |
"Everyone fails sometimes But dreams won't fade, dreams won't fade Let's chase them as many times as it takes and don't lose Because today after all is today and once you wake up, it'll be a new morning" ~Aqours~ |
UberBat said: Not sure why the subtitle had Bond as Bonde as it's Bond in the Manga Maybe for copyright reasons? |
| I can understand Irene, Bond was the first word that came to your mind after hearing James but naming yourself that just makes you comical (￣▽￣) Personally, I don't really like their idea of letting Irene join them. It would've been better if her chapter closed down in this episode by her going to a different country and living her life, that way she could still assist them behind the scenes whenever it would be necessary. I know that the Lord of Crime team needs more people of similar mindset to carry out their plans and Irene was the most suitable but adopting her was kinda unnecessary. I don't think announcing that she is dead had any merit. That just made Sherlock aware that Irene is still alive but in a disguise. Now it makes it easier for him to pursue the Lord of Crime. Tho that's what they're most likely after. They love to bully Sherlock in their own way. They are just lucky that Sherlock isn't the type of person to take the easy way out. |
Rickydory123Apr 20, 2021 11:48 AM
| James Bond came out of fckin nowhere what the heck! I love it |
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| There is such a lack of understanding on who is Irene Adler and what made her so special in Conan Doyle's masterpiece 'A Scandal in Bohemia'. There are so many characters in the Sherlock Holmes canon that are so unique, so well-written and so special to many readers across time and space that adaptations and apocryphal writings cannot help but lavish them with even more attention, which is counter-productive to what made Conan Doyle's detective tales so appealing in the first place. Irene Adler is one of these characters, even though she only appeared once in the entirety of the canon - which is quite understandable, considering she bested Holmes to his own game. What a fascinating and iconic figure to adapt into other forms of media, right? The problem is that all of these adaptations fail to understand her character. In most of them, she is a rather boring, dull, and pointless 'femme fatale' - and 'Moriarty the Patriot' is no exception unfortunately. I do not mind the idea of rewriting Adler, what I mind however is the rewriting in question being good and especially respectful to the character: I am sorry to report that using the very tiresome trope of the 'femme fatale' is not doing Irene Adler any favour. Not only is it quite expected, it is also very boring for the most part. You have this brilliant female character, and what do you do with it? This sexy, cliché 'femme fatale'... Come on, can't you be a bit more creative please? In the case of 'Moriarty the Patriot', I am afraid it is even worse than that: the twist by the end is at odds with what her character stood for in the original story. She was 'The Woman', the one who outsmarted Holmes, and got away with her significant achievement. She even disproved his reductive views on women - Holmes lost, thus had to learn a lesson from this severe defeat in his detective career. We were shown that even the great detective - so full of himself - was not immune to the biaises of the patriarchal culture he lived in. Needless to say that for a story published right at the end of 19th century England (and by a man no less), it made careful strides on how men had to challenge their preconceptions on women. What a progressive story that turned out to be also one of the most compelling detective tales ever written. What did the scriptwriter working for the 'Moriarty the Patriot' choose to do with this premise? Well.. I guess Irene Adler has to be protected by men now. She also has to become a man against her own will, because as a woman she cannot really succeed I suppose... Oh, and why not naming her 'James Bond', since she is working with the MI6 now, *wink wink*... Not quite the relevant timeframe for this nod, but whatever. Cannot wait for Dr. Who and The Beatles to make their debuts in the upcoming episodes! As a Sherlock Holmes aficionado, this had to be one of the cringiest things I have ever witnessed. And let's not dwell on the 'Robespierre being Sherrinford (AH) Holmes' or the old French Revolution conspiracy theory I certainly did not expect to find here. I get that 'Moriarty the Patriot' is clearly not 'tailor-made' for me, but I am sorry to say that I truly fail to see what was enjoyable in this messy arc. The narrative was all-over the place. The twisting and the untwisting plot also made very little sense, and was far from being compelling. There was no 4D Chess at play here, just 'bad writing' in my opinion. Cool if people liked it - more power to them - but I am not one of them. I did not like the first season, but I still wanted to give this show another shot considering the PV for season 2 focused on the 'A Scandal in Bohemia' adaptation. I guess I should not have, I am just not the target audience. |
BertKnotApr 20, 2021 3:58 PM
| Missing some minor details, like Robespierre's appearance at his execution (kind of hard to give a wry smile when you've blown your jaw to pieces in a failed suicide attempt hours earlier). James Bond part definitely felt like a step too far. |
| So the Moriarty's are able to continue working in the shadows without the worry of government interference, thanks to the leverage of knowing Britain's biggest secret. Now things will get interesting. I'll be honest, I did not see James Bond coming at the end there. I thought she was going to say something cheesy like James Holmes. I love it though, I laughed my ass off. Also, she looks really good with short hair and little makeup. Guess I'm just a sucker for tomboys. |
| On one hand, I see a few parallels/plot elements between this show and Geass (revolution/Brit(ish/annia)/disdain for nobility/doing the revolution in a "wrong" way). On the other, if this show wasn't super bishie looking (artwise), I could also see this going quite bland... |
| There's no inherent right or wrong in this universe, but when we think with emotions rather than logic, we make things so. |
| JAMES BONDE LMFAOOOO WITH AN E TOO. thats bloody hilarious |
| I really find it weird how attached Sherlock gets to Adler in such a short time. Also some other name than James Bond would've flowed better as it feels more like a joke. |
| Humans only live for a hundred years, it is as unreal as a dream that ends in an instant. What is the point of a person living in this world? No more than just being on a journey, and witnessing interesting things. Although I do not want to die, I do not fear death. I am already on my right path, I have no regrets even if I die. — Fang Yuan (Reverend Insanity) |
| Adler did the things, guys, she cut her hair with a knife and said the thing. The Bond girl is, in fact, Bond all along. This series was always corny, an entertaining kind of corny, but this one takes the cherry on the cake so far. I had a good laugh at the whole of that scene, from the hair cutting to the reason why she picked 'Bond/Bonde' as a lastname. Amazing. |
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Judevin said: They're not the bad guys technically, they've always been the good guys. So it makes sense that they're patriotic and therefore want to scapegoat themselves to unite everyone and attain equality. What would be interesting is if they start targeting high ranked individuals and Mycroft can't do shit to stop them because they know too much. He can't kill them because obviously they'll have contingency plans to expose everything, and he can't stop them either. So it's like a complete onslaught where the only one with ability to stop Moriarty would be Sherlock since he's the only one out of the loop of the deal. And obviously, Sherlock knows that Lord of Crime only kills corrupt nobles, so does he really have a motive to stop Moriarty? So I'm pretty sure at some point in this story, Moriarty is going to get too carried away with his plan which will cause harm to both nobles and commoners alike as he states with Robespierre. Therefore, creating the "scapegoat" that he talked about. Eventually becoming the villain of the story, albeit with good intentions, which in turn would get Sherlock on his ass again. Mycroft doesn't want to stop them at all because he agrees with their endgame. Anime cut down a lot of the previous development he and Albert had funding M6 (with Albert as "M") before the Adler arc. Mycroft wants to use them and support their game, but reminds them they will go down the path of Robespierre after their deed is done. Meanwhile, Sherlock |
ThessApr 23, 2021 12:36 AM
| Bonde... James Bonde... LMAO... I'm dead. I didn't expect that at all. I loved this episode so much. Irene getting a new life away by announcing her death to everyone. I love how they execute everything so greatly. I'm so hyped for upcoming episodes. |
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| Wait what, whats wrong with this season. Ik that is fiction and everything, but now its totally unrealistic. Whats the point of playing with british goverment? And that plot , rip seriousness of that series. Also existence of James Bond ruins everything. It looks really bad for me, I will drop soon prob. |
| oooh ooooooooooooooooh Bond!!!! |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| This is getting out of hand lmao. |
| I finally finishing this episode with a bit of late attitude. But its okay, because this arc conclusion really a fire. Never expected the plot will come to be like that, with a certain good stalemate to finished their own agenda. Then most importantly about all of the backstory behind their action, especially with the Holmes history and the exact parallel with Moriarty act, i think. Well, the grand scheme of William really solid. Sherlock once again got left behind with a certain condition which curbed him much. Irene Adler, rip. Then welcome to the life as a new member of the lord of crime organization! Case closed, and lets move to another frustating case in the next episode .... |
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| H O L Y S H I T my jaw was on the floor this whole episode. The plot twists, the brain fucks - THIS is why I love this anime so much! The whole french revolution backstory was mindblowing honestly I wasn't expecting that (I guess those documents really would've rocked the nation I didn't think it'd be something THAT big) and the fact that Robespierre basically had the same intentions as the Moriarty brothers AND he was a HOLMES!?! This is good stuff. And just when I thought it couldn't get any better... THE JAMES BOND REVEAL! That shit gave me CHILLS like literal GOOSEBUMPS. (Guess haters couldn't handle it tho XD) That literature crossover was a cultural shock and I fucking loved every second of it! I can't wait to see him in the next episode, he's gonna be so damn fine. Another 11/10 episode from one of my favorite anime and I can't wait for the Whitechapel Arc! |
| Everything in this episode was great, Sherlock and Irene relationship is bittersweet even here. Thou I do hope their ship sail at the end of the series. Also wth was that end? James Bond? Lmao what. |
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