Armados said: Rei366 said: Sorry but One Punch Man's popularity boom was triggered by Shueisha's "digital manga". The version redrawn and made dynamic by Murata Yusuke. I checked out the first episode, wondering how could commoners on this website suddenly see "bad animation/lack of movement" so strongly. Thanks for sparing me the time to write this. The manga never was as popular on the west, the anime is the reason people got to know this series. Like I answer the person I quoted below, the animation of this series isn't average, but actually far below it. Season's 1 good animation was mostly the part where Genos jumped on G4's head. Some shots had decent animation and the rest were still shots/images. Episode 2 only had good animation on a few small parts of Genos vs Sonic, the rest of the fight had either "average" animation or they were just slapping images of punches while shaking the screen to imitate movement while there was none. The rest of the episode lacked animation big time, there were barely any fluid movements (for instance there was one when Garou punched that rank-A mustache hero), and felt like a slideshow of frames. FMmatron said: It's kinda funny how average-decent production became such a deal breaker in this specific case. Not saying that I don't see where the disappointment is coming from, however, it doesn't change the fact that the circumstances under which OPM2 is judged are pretty unfair to say the least. Never have I seen so many comments in an episode discussion taking every scene apart like for the series in question. But ok, this probably unavoidable when the once biggest strength of the series turns out to be a double edged sword. Btw, even as someone who primarily enjoyed S1 for the great action scenes, S2 is still very enjyoable so far, really like how the story is picking up. If you call that decent/average than your standards are probably very low. After watching many different anime series along the years, there were many animes with not really outstanding animation and yet were decent enough to make the anime itself feel perfectly fine. Jojo under David Production most of the time has decent animation at best, and you don't see people complaining about that, do you? You're free to call my standards very low, but compared to all the stuff which is coming out it's still not a bad production overall and certainly not as terrible as some make out to be. I've seen worse and truly terrible quality and S2 isn't even close. You may call it rather underwhelming in contrast to the high bar which was set in S1. And JoJo is a different case. JoJo doesn't really have a lot of fluid animation, but the keyframes, still shots and camera movement look really good, the art is also really expressive. Furthermore, the main appeal is rather how crazy the fights are. |
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Armados said: The rest of the episode lacked animation big time, there were barely any fluid movements (for instance there was one when Garou punched that rank-A mustache hero), and felt like a slideshow of frames. Series of still frames, shaking screen on one still, barely any fluid movement (detailed, right?), those points are the basis of any average ( action ) TV show. Jap.animation lies in this. About Jojo's, David Prod doesn't really bother to animate anything. They prefered that, I guess, rather than to decide a middleground between manga's design and "animation-able" design. This way, while still simplified, their drawings look decently accurate to the manga. (writing this, but after watching the 90% slideshow festival that their Cpt.Tsubasa was, I wonder). Also, I've seen many bad-looking episodes, if I consider David's Stardust and Diamond. Sorry about the popularity thing, I thought it was general and not frestrained to Europe/USAs. But the original original acclaim of the title was born out of the digital remake, I'm sure of it. So, no, One Punch Man's merit is certainly not single-handedly due to its TV series. (just like Lord of the Rings didn't wait for Peter Jackson to be a known name) |
Rei_IIIApr 19, 2019 12:27 AM
Knightmare_YK said: This^^ Just look at Konosuba, for example. Parodies become the very thing they swear to destroy. To be fair, I think anyone who ever gave the novels a try knows Konosuba probably wasn't really intended that much as a parody from the start. It's just far more self-aware -- and actually funny -- than others of the genre. I think the upcoming movie (and the next few arcs, if they are ever adapted) will convince more people of that. It would certainly be ironic if people started criticising Konosuba because it "turned into just another isekai". |
Knightmare_YK said: Well, I watched it under the impression that it was a parody, *looking at you, MAL tags* and the reviews gave me that impression as well. The series was rather unfocussed on that aspect, sometimes it felt like one and sometimes it didn't. I, too, feel like it was probably not meant as a parody, but I could be wrong, I haven't watched the second season. The two seasons do have a parody vibe to them, but it's because they adapt the wackiest parts of the story, and they also ad-libed several jokes so that it felt even more wacky. The most isekai part of the novels didn't make it into the anime for some reason -- which is a shame, because it's really good -- in which Kazuma goes into an adventure with an actually dependable party. The next volumes are pretty crazy too but less over the top than the ones that got adapted (except for something in volume 7 I think), so I'm curious to see how it will turn out. |
| the reason why I like one punch is because of the animation that break the limit. That is reason why I don't want to read the manga no matter how frustrated I am by wanted to know what happen next. I could easily endure few year just to get season 2. Ofcourse I don't mind it either but ask me whether I am disappointed with how the Jc staff handle this? oh yes I am. |
| I took episode 1 with a grain of salt, but episode 2 was just abysmal. Only reason I haven't dropped it yet is because I wanna see Tatsumaki. Stoorainclaire said: The manga breaks limits the same way with its art. I'd say it's even better than Season 1 because of that.the reason why I like one punch is because of the animation that break the limit. That is reason why I don't want to read the manga no matter how frustrated I am by wanted to know what happen next. I could easily endure few year just to get season 2. Ofcourse I don't mind it either but ask me whether I am disappointed with how the Jc staff handle this? oh yes I am. |
EvildoerApr 19, 2019 1:12 PM
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| They'll probably improve it in the blu-ray. But I don't really care. I never watch shows for the animation itself. Otherwise, Mulan by Disney would be my favorite anime. Sucks if that's you. I'm watching OPM for its shounen parody plot. |
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| I don't know what you are talking about, this adaptation is better than s1. the OPM s2 adaptation is a complete joke That's the point of OPM so I believe J.C. Staff is doing a better adaptation than that pointless overblown sakugafest from s1. OPM is not a real action anime like Murata and s1 wants to make you believe, it's a parody. |
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 It has been merely two episodes and there are tons of hate threads bout animation already. Cant u wait until the show is finished and then justify ur opinions? Its too early right now. |
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| I think some people here are confused between bad animation and bad direction. Despite the fact how badly J.C Staff handled their shows lately, the animation of OPM2 is just avenge rather than actually bad. Honestly, the only bad animation I have seen so far was Fubuki twisting the spoons (Feel like they don't put their effort on it due to the scene is short), some of Sonic's "clones" scenes (Feel more like blinking than moving fast) and in the end of EP2 (Well just briefly), and this said from someone who hate J.C for their bulls**t. However, the direction of the fight scenes was really bad and underwhelm. Aside of Genos vs the robot in the first episode which is somewhat acceptable, most of the fight was handled poorly like as if the director doesn't even try and just simply copy-pastes from manga shots instead. silent_knight98 said: It has been merely two episodes and there are tons of hate threads bout animation already. Cant u wait until the show is finished and then justify ur opinions? Its too early right now. I think people really needs to stop using the whole "the show is just began so wait until x episodes later/it's finished to judge it" arguments here. We have already gives J.C Staff too many chances to redeem themselves in the past 2 years and guess what? Not only they don't improve their quality, it's somehow got even worse like they don't even care about their quality anymore. Don't let me even bring out on the whole "J.C Staff is currently working on 10 anime series in this year" argument, and that gives even more of reason why we shouldn't gives J.C a chance. Armados said: Just check Index season 3 yourself and see what I'm talking about. Read reviews over MAL and you'll see how bad the adaptation was. JC Staff has a tight scheduele, way beyond something they can handle. Some of the episodes are being created up until a week or two before production, which means that their production schedule is a complete mess, they can't really manage around with so many animes to work in a single year, and its proven when you look around all the animes they've been producting in the past year. Nearly all of them were a complete mess, and its not because they aren't capable of making some decent to good adaptations, its just because they're greedy and take way too many projects at once. It doesn't matter how big the studio is if the amount of actually talented animators is so slim compared to the rest. Everything is becoming mediocre at best, some is just horrible to the point where there is no point in watching the anime itself. You know what's ironic about this? Despite the animation issues, Index III is still have far better action scenes than what OPM2 has shown so far. |
MahiaErebeaNegiApr 20, 2019 2:04 AM
MahiaErebeaNegi said: I dont know bout other people but i'm still optimistic that it will get better. Yeah, its true that JC Staff has messed up pretty big recently and the fact that its working on more than 10 series currently can also make the things worse. But OPM is different imo. In the past, most of the series they ruined were not as much popular as OPM. So they kinda got away with less criticism. But OPM is more popular in both Japan and Overseas. So if they mess up this one, it would be devastating for them. I dont think people will forgive them easily after that. So i think they are wary of this (and they should be). This might be wrong or right, i dont know. But i'm hoping that this series will not suffer the same fate as others.I think people really needs to stop using the whole "the show is just began so wait until x episodes later/it's finished to judge it" arguments here. We have already gives J.C Staff too many chances to redeem themselves in the past 2 years and guess what? Not only they don't improve their quality, it's somehow got even worse like they don't even care about their quality anymore. Don't let me even bring out on the whole "J.C Staff is currently working on 10 anime series in this year" argument, and that gives even more of reason why we shouldn't gives J.C a chance. |
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silent_knight98 said: MahiaErebeaNegi said: I dont know bout other people but i'm still optimistic that it will get better. Yeah, its true that JC Staff has messed up pretty big recently and the fact that its working on more than 10 series currently can also make the things worse. But OPM is different imo. In the past, most of the series they ruined were not as much popular as OPM. So they kinda got away with less criticism. But OPM is more popular in both Japan and Overseas. So if they mess up this one, it would be devastating for them. I dont think people will forgive them easily after that. So i think they are wary of this (and they should be). This might be wrong or right, i dont know. But i'm hoping that this series will not suffer the same fate as others.I think people really needs to stop using the whole "the show is just began so wait until x episodes later/it's finished to judge it" arguments here. We have already gives J.C Staff too many chances to redeem themselves in the past 2 years and guess what? Not only they don't improve their quality, it's somehow got even worse like they don't even care about their quality anymore. Don't let me even bring out on the whole "J.C Staff is currently working on 10 anime series in this year" argument, and that gives even more of reason why we shouldn't gives J.C a chance. Toaru Majutsu no Index is one of J.C Staff's most well-known series and one of the most popular Light Novel series, and yet the third season of it (Which just ended two weeks ago) was handled so poorly and the animation (Especially the first 9 episodes and EP23) is so bad. Although some scenes is still handled well and the action scenes was around avenge to decent at best. That anime also have some other problem too but it's irrelevant to the animation so I won't bring it up. This is why I was worries about OPM2 will gonna be bad. |
MahiaErebeaNegiApr 20, 2019 8:51 AM
MahiaErebeaNegi said: TBH, i also thought that way previously. Bashing the studio for bad quality, but somehow i'm giving it a chance again. Its a well established studio so they have to live up to their reputation. U just cant have excuses like less time, incomplete staff or too much workload every time u screw up a popular and financially successful series.silent_knight98 said: I dont know bout other people but i'm still optimistic that it will get better. Yeah, its true that JC Staff has messed up pretty big recently and the fact that its working on more than 10 series currently can also make the things worse. But OPM is different imo. In the past, most of the series they ruined were not as much popular as OPM. So they kinda got away with less criticism. But OPM is more popular in both Japan and Overseas. So if they mess up this one, it would be devastating for them. I dont think people will forgive them easily after that. So i think they are wary of this (and they should be). This might be wrong or right, i dont know. But i'm hoping that this series will not suffer the same fate as others. Toaru Majutsu no Index is one of J.C Staff's most well-known series and one of the most popular Light Novel series, and yet the third season of it (Which just ended two weeks ago) was handled so poorly and the animation (Especially the first 9 episodes and EP23) is so bad. Although some scenes is still handled well and the action scenes was around avenge to decent at best. That anime also have some other problem too but it's irrelevant to the animation so I won't bring it up. This is why I was worries about OPM2 will gonna be bad. |
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| Watched ep 1, thought it was great. I like it even better than the Madhouse edition. I think you all are high on something to complain about it. It looks like a comic book now with the grit and stuff; plus it was a hilarious episode. It feels like a dark batman comic now (which I love) versus the shiny anime version of madhouse where One Punch is a nice guy. It's an interesting change in dynamic. Everything is way more real and cool now, I feel like I'm absorbed in a comic world. Does it get a lot worse after ep 1? Cuz I can't wait to watch more soon. |
| The manga looks way better than season 1 tbh. |
| well another feckless layabout ragging out over bad animation as if their eyes have bled out bcz of that. MADHOUSE is well....... nvm. I didnt even know that 1st season was done by them. Sure it had some good moments but nothing sooooo amazing that it made the studio seem like god. hell OPM definitely isnt their best work. art animation or story wise. and just 2 eps in, the show looks almost exactly like the last season. ep 2 had well.... I cant even fuckin tell the difference. now bad animations is that downy faces uftoble made in fsn, that shit Rin literally looked retarded. speaking of s2, its kinda like a SOL anime instead of an action one. s2 e1 was as underwheling as seth rollins wm35 match |
| I don't find the animation quality to be such a huge problem here. It's nothing stellar like S1 but it's not that bad either. I've already come to terms with the fact that season 2 won't be the eye candy we're used to. The one big issue I've had with S2 so far is the animation of the comedic parts. That scene with Fubuki knocking on Saitama's door, for example, could've been really funny, but people's facial expressions were weird and the timing of their reactions didn't match the jokes. Not to mention the constant cuts, panning shots, changing "camera" focus, etc. Everything's just "off", and that undercuts the comedy, which should be the focus of the show. Rewatch it and see for yourself. That's the kind of thing that doesn't require a large budget or extra time to get right, just a competent animation supervisor or someone like that. |
AnotherGuyApr 20, 2019 6:03 PM
| LOL, WTF are you saying. Of course that the animation in this season can't be compared to the first one, but the animation so far is above average. On the art side, well, it's a bit more debatable (especially if you consider Genos). But in story quality, VAs, music and everything else are on the same lvl as S1, sooooo I think you are overreacting... a lot |
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| The animation and art style in itself isn't bad, i think it's a matter of poor choice of camera movement and shading, if they fix that i think it could be up to par with season 1 animation. Just look at Genos vs Speed-O-Sonic they actually nailed it and it looked clean it felt i was watching at 60fps. It's a just a matter of right choices, sometimes they do it in certain scenes, sometimes they not. So bottom line OPMS2 is still watchable unless they screw up completely in both departments. |
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| I don't plan on watching it but, ehh it can't be as bad as you describe it. Guess it could be mediocre from the screenshots I've seen and from what I've heard undoubtedly inferior to S1, still it must be a watchable anime, even enjoyable. If not, I always preferred the manga to the anime anyway. |
JaredLopezApr 20, 2019 10:14 PM
| fine armando if s2's anim is bleeding yer eyes out, just quit. cryin here aint gonna make it better, so just quit, quit while ya ahead. |
| Yeah, all I'm seeing is whining and moaning. If you truly want to see questionable animation, go watch the NORA ova and its sequel. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
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