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Nope, that's the golem-loving boy. Darnic acts as second leader of the black faction, while having their strongest Servant, Vlad, as the actual leader. In this episode he clearly looks at his own Command Spells while thinking about Vlad. |
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| Episode was decent, best part was the confrotation and flashback of Achilles and Chiron, I'm interested to see how things will ultimately turn out between these two. |
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AdoKun said: mira-pyon said: That's the point - he hasn't done any deed. People dislike Sieg because he's bland, especially in comparison to the Servants and the rest of the setting, yet takes up so much screen time. At least Kirito is the most badass/OP in his world and therefore has a reason to be the focus, but Sieg has been mostly boring and the scenes with him take up valuable Servant screen time. Of course, I personally don't care about Sieg(though you could say that apathy is even worse than hate). It's just kinda sad that we have 15 Heroic Spirits with backstories, motives, wishes, e.t.c yet a random bland guy is hogging screen time with his generic and uninventive backstory, motive and wish. Well I guess if he is compared to those masters and servants he is prety much a waste of time (well duh I think it couldn't Been helped since he is a new born homunculus while the rest are mostly complete characters). Ahh i see he is like one those characters that is placed in the wrong show. Maybe if he was placed in a harem genre show then he would fit in right? Since almost harem mc character started as bland and boring and average and all. (Uuhgg I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore) Dude, you need to, like, learn how to quote. And yes, it's very much like a character place in a wrong show. Sieg would work fantastically well in a ecchi harem show. |
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ThirtyFour34 said: But, could that rival the strongest NP ever made? And, yes, I'm talking about this:mira-pyon said: That's the point - he hasn't done any deed. People dislike Sieg because he's bland, especially in comparison to the Servants and the rest of the setting, yet takes up so much screen time. At least Kirito is the most badass/OP in his world and therefore has a reason to be the focus, but Sieg has been mostly boring and the scenes with him take up valuable Servant screen time. Of course, I personally don't care about Sieg(though you could say that apathy is even worse than hate). It's just kinda sad that we have 15 Heroic Spirits with backstories, motives, wishes, e.t.c yet a random bland guy is hogging screen time with his generic and uninventive backstory, motive and wish. Agreed. |
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| Apocrypha will still work without Sieg. |
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| good fight without those loud ass CLANG WOOOOSH BLUAARRRGH sound effect |
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FireFistYamaan said: Achilles stronger then Hercules? Not in a million year. Well the war is under way that's good, it's been good so far. A-1 are not holding back which is nice to see. Didn't say anywhere that he's stronger than Herakles, tho.  Ok not stronger, but he's still not equal to Hercules |
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FireFistYamaan said: FireFistYamaan said: Achilles stronger then Hercules? Not in a million year. Well the war is under way that's good, it's been good so far. A-1 are not holding back which is nice to see. Didn't say anywhere that he's stronger than Herakles, tho. Ok not stronger, but he's still not equal to Hercules As a hero he kinda is on par with Herc, and besides, that was said by his teacher who trained him to be a hero, so I think it's supposed to mean "you're ready to be a hero who will gain fame on par with Heracles and Castor". |
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You also need to learn how to quote. Anyway, in addition to what Lelo said, 'genius'(as in 'prodigy') doesn't equal strength. It just means 10-year old Achilles knows as much as Herk did when Herk had finished his training with Chiron(that is 'words, songs, poems, virtues, and manners; how to hunt, fight, and ride horses; and even the art of healing' ). |
mira-pyonAug 21, 2017 9:01 AM
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| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Awesome episode. Vlad vs Karna fight was lit. (Agh I've decided to raise Cu proto all the way but damn, scenes like this makes me really want Karna. Gotta hoard for the rate ups) Hyped to see Shirou in action. |
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| Damn the quality of the fight scenes are not even close that of Ufotable's. I know i shouldn't compare but... it's just disappointment after disappointment |
Oxu said: Damn the quality of the fight scenes are not even close that of Ufotable's. I know i shouldn't compare but... it's just disappointment after disappointment Yo should be more disappointed by the fact that A-1 is not really working hard on that aspect. I mean you can check their other works and they look great compared to F/A. SAO for example ( the writing sucks ) but the fight scenes tend to be greatly animated. Even non fight scenes lack of good animation quality. But yes I understand we got used to UFO style and quality. |
| Tbf I think the fight scenes in this episode (and in Fate/Apocrypha in general) look a lot better than the fights from SAO. Fluidity, speed and choreography are much more enjoyable. Maybe it's just me but i watched the fights from SAO many times over the years, and nothing comes to mind when I try to recall them, yet I only watched Apocrypha once (for now) and I remember almost every fight scene. |
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| Are you considering that SAO is from 2012 and this is a recent work right? Is not only the fight scenes, is the animation itself is not even high tier like their other works. |
| Five years are pretty irrelevant to fight choreography and directing tho. Money and staff are factors worth considering for a series, but not just being made five years earlier/later. I agree that some episodes and still frames had some really bad quality moments, but then we have the last two episodes which were really good. Apparently A-1 can't keep a constant good quality for the show, but they already proved that they can and will give us some great animated fights, and those are far better and more memorable than those from SAO imho. |
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| Of course, I'm not saying that they won't be memorable or they suck to the point it makes you drop the series ( unless you're an elitist lmao ) . But from my perspective they're not animating to the level of their other works. The last episode was very well animated I got to admit that. |
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| Ugh, I'm incredibly disappointed with this show. The fight scenes were extremely dull. F/Z > F/A. |
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Oxu said: Damn the quality of the fight scenes are not even close that of Ufotable's. I know i shouldn't compare but... it's just disappointment after disappointment I totally agree. It's such a huge letdown. F/Z was way better. |
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| Pretty epic episode. That certainly didn't disappoint. |
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KaiserNazrin said: Apocrypha will still work without Sieg. People may say whatever they want, but without Sieg the show will eventually lose heart and focus when the servants will start to die. Similar with how the focus was on Kiritsugu in Fate/Zero, here as well there is a need for some central character. And Sieg seems important like hell, from what I could gather. From the first episode, he seems to be connected to Janne somehow (a dragon) and that's how he got consciousness. |
| Wow, look at all those disposable soldiers making it look like an actual war is taking place when its really just like target practice. Things are starting to get good now, and I look forward to seeing how this battle goes. I also want people to die already, better get a good amount of deaths during this whole battle. |
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| Ok this was a pretty good episode. The action is nice & actually lasted for a bit longer than before. Good character interactions, namely between Achilles & Chiron & the Priest (I know his name but I like calling Kotomine just "The Priest") is about to wreck some shit. Still don't like Sieg, he just feels so disconnected from things. Like some random passerby walking on a battlefield & no one noticing. Not much feeling or heart from him. |
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| @LeloTheUnamused The most jarring part was about father wanting to preserve his humanity... It would be easier to let things like that slide if the series wasn't so bad. |
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| Karna seems pretty OP, being the son of the sun god and all :P Are the two sides going to trade Berserkers? I doubt Fran will go willingly, but that foreshadowing from her master... And Shirou seems like he's always scheming something. |
bestkatalyn said: KaiserNazrin said: Apocrypha will still work without Sieg. People may say whatever they want, but without Sieg the show will eventually lose heart and focus when the servants will start to die. Similar with how the focus was on Kiritsugu in Fate/Zero, here as well there is a need for some central character. And Sieg seems important like hell, from what I could gather. From the first episode, he seems to be connected to Janne somehow (a dragon) and that's how he got consciousness. Well the idea is to make another character, who is not Sieg, the central character. Like Mordred + Shishigou. They're interesting enough to the audience to be the central characters(as in, to replace Sieg). Also it's pretty easy to tell from the get-go that the most important characters are going to be Shirou, Jeanne and Darnic - two being clear masterminds and one being a Ruler, who is supposed to survive until the end anyway. Both of them work without Sieg, hence Apocrypha can work without Sieg. And the show can still work perfectly fine without a central team or character. It'll be harder, and is probably beyond Higashide and A-1, but it could still work. |
mira-pyonAug 22, 2017 4:25 AM
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| Honestly I don't care about Sieg at all. All I care is the battle between Team Black & Team Red. Oh man it's a death flag for Frank-chan. I don't want to see her gone so early. I'm on Black faction side. |
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Antanaru said: @LeloTheUnamused The most jarring part was about father wanting to preserve his humanity... It would be easier to let things like that slide if the series wasn't so bad. I'm sorry, I'm out of context here. What are you referring to? |
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| This was a really good episode with the fights especially between Karna and Vlad III. Excited to see it continued in the next episode. Don't like Shirou Kotomine he seems rather boring. He probably won't be as good an antagonist as Kirei. |
lainrusso said: This was a really good episode with the fights especially between Karna and Vlad III. Excited to see it continued in the next episode. Don't like Shirou Kotomine he seems rather boring. He probably won't be as good an antagonist as Kirei. I won't spoil anything, but don't try to compare Shirou and Kirei just because they're both called Kotomine. They are very different characters. Of course, Kirei is awesome and one of the best Fate characters (can't wait for the HF movies), but comparing Shirou to him is kinda unfair, you'll see soon that they are nothing alike |
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| Best episode so far The fight was so intense specially between the two lancers. THe next episode looks like it will continue the heavy action |
JaimeC said: WTF, for some reason I thought Lancer was the leader of Blacks and not a servant. LOL exactly my mind. |
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| And so the first large scale battle of the series finally starts. The backstory of red lancer was interesting though i already knew that he was Vlad III of Romania. Vlad's nickname of Vlad Dracula really wasn't for show i see. To think that Vlad will go for the frontal assault though. So the main forces of the red faction are skeletons which will face the black factions artificial humans then. A ranged assault followed by a charge now thats some good tactics the red are using. Its interesting to note that Shirou's power apart from being a devious planner also includes able to receive revelations. Impaling his enemies on countless iron stakes truly fits Vlad's nickname as the impaler. The fight between two lancers sure was interesting to see. To think that red rider and Black archer were once teacher and student though. So Sieg's reason for fighting was to help his fellow homuculi then. Its sad that their one goal for their creation was to fight though. Nice to see Red assassin show that much concern for her master though. Shirou's true wish really was surprising. Red saber and her masters entrance on to the field though sure was crazy. This battle sure had quite a few late arrivals though. Meeting Sieg and understanding his motivations really has made Rider more cautious and changed her view of the homoculi as well. To think that rider will launch a lone assault against the hanging gardens though. So that homoculi that Sieg helped decided to help him after all. So the black factions trump card is red beserker who they captured instead of killing. Golem boy sure isn't afraid of the battle is he. To think that Shirou and Black berserker will end up meeting though. This battle is only just the start of this war though but man this battle is getting more and more interesting. |
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mira-pyon said: still I agree with you, it's pretty easy to tell from the get-go that you are one of those dumb secondaries who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. Besides being a huge fatetard butthurt because you didn't get what you wished. |
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If you don't like the show how he is, why don't you just drop it? Posting the same shit in every thread cannot change a series that has already been done and cannot be changed. Sometimes you just have to accept the reality of a situation. Think about it, you'll have more time to play your favourite generic mobage about ''waifus'' or watch their generic shounen series with stereotypical characters and their random pointless battles. Errr..... Absolutely incorrect tho? People dislike Sieg... Because your favorite characters of the mobage about ''waifu'' aren't the MCs or because they're not getting much ''screentime''. Some people are obsessed with the idea that Apo should be exactly as one of his favourite series or his favorite mobage about ''waifus''. In short, If they don't get what they want, so they swoop in here, squawk like hell, shit all over everything and then start all over again. Just reread your own posts or those of your shitter colleagues, and don't forget to reread the posts from his shitter colleagues who cheat using multiple accounts. Did you really think no one would notice? You don’t have to be a genius to perceive that besides our regular shitters, the other shitters shitting on character are new users or 2015/2016 users with less than 15 postings. Or did you really think no one would realize that? mods? Don't worry bro, they're getting desperate since we are now very close to the moment in which Sieg steals the limelight, plot and story, just ignore them and move on. |
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| Definitely one of the stronger episodes since we got multiple confrontations. Highlight was the exchange between Achilles and Chiron- I guess I need to brush up on my Greek Mythology because I had no idea he was his tutor. Makes things more interesting though. Karna is also slick af. Also worried about Fran :/ Apparently, Shirou is looking to steal their Berserker, but he might just kill her if she doesn't cooperate. |
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Drake1000 said: They're squeezing too many characters in every episode and I just don't give a shit. Nothing feels important, just a bunch of awkward transitions and that's it, having that many characters is a really bad idea. Enough cop outs, they need to start killing off some of the large roster characters and focusing on a select few that remain. The fight scenes have been absolutely awful. I completely agree. By the first episode I was led to believe that this would be a deeper show with politics and meaningful relationships between the characters. What we ended up with are a bunch of shallow events crammed into each episode with little important connection to the main plot. I do not care about any of the characters in this show, let alone the overarching story. I thought it could ride on the fight scenes, but even they ended up disappointing. Also the blown-out sound effect got old really fast. |
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| So everyone ( most ) hate Sieg huh? I mean I don't mind him, if he's important then he is.. But it doesn't change the fact they put their screen time in terrible parts making the tense atmosphere of fights just go off. I mean the part where he found the homunculus girl and such, could be placed after the battle scenes and would have been better. At least that was my perspective. But I can't see why he's a character that people would hate. I hate Shirou because he's fake as hell. But I can't hate Sieg because he hasn't done anything to be hated. ( unless taking youre waifu Jeanne is the reason of the hate lol ) |
| ;-; must protect homonculus-chan since i feel bad about all the others being sent out as fodder how on earth is this going to be a 2cour what seems to be a big event is happening so early |
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Anon1566 said: mira-pyon said: still I agree with you, it's pretty easy to tell from the get-go that you are one of those dumb secondaries who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. Besides being a huge fatetard butthurt because you didn't get what you wished. I'm sorry, I think I missed your rebuttal to the points that were made in that post. Could you please actually respond with logical arguments, instead of petty and pointless insults that don't really invite a smart respectful discussion? forcestriker said: In short, If they don't get what they want, so they swoop in here, squawk like hell, shit all over everything and then start all over again. I haven't real the LN and I'm kinda interested in where they'll take Sieg's character moving forward, however... someone expressed their opinion and provided an argument for why they think that point is valid. You, on the other hand, proceeded to insult them, accuse them of shitposting, all while not providing a single argument against their point. Please, explain why their point wouldn't work to make a better narrative. Posts like yours add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Also, I'm sorry, but no shit. People would dislike something if they preceived it wasting its potential. Welcome to fandoms of literally any and every thing where people don't like getting something other than that they believe is better. I'm not even sure what point you tried to twist to make into a negative. That other people have different preferences that yours? Veromaye said: So everyone ( most ) hate Sieg huh? I think the anime-onlies reception for him is pretty neutral so far. His concept is pretty interesting IMO and he can be a pretty good moving force for the overall narrative if they manage to contrast him well with the other faction leaders. |
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gn_ex said: it's seems like someone in here dedicated his life made an account just to counter Fai's shitpost eh Which was fine and funny at first, tbh, but now he's going more and more on a path of shitting about anything and anyone that doesn't appreciate Fate, even if they are just expressing non-malicious opinions, while also being aggressive to people who don't have his opinion... which is ironically pretty similar to what Fai usually does, only in this case less stupid and more angry. I mean, half of his own signature is a direct insult against generic "FGOfags" ad FGO memes, which means that he can attack anyone he sees fits that description even if they're just having fun. I can't stand Fai, I'm liking Apocrypha and I talked a bit with forcestriker in the other thread, but I play FGO, I love the story and I like Riyo Gudako and a good portion of FGO memes, so what? Am I a paradox? Am I a FGOfag that is ruining the TM community? He accuses people of posting "4chan copypastas", but his "Why can't we have a nice peaceful Typemoon thread without them shitting the thread for once?" is basically one, also because here on MAL is much less common to have generic "TM threads" compared to 4chan (when they end up being shit regardless of FGO, because it's 4chan). astroprogs said: someone expressed their opinion and provided an argument for why they think that point is valid. You, on the other hand, proceeded to insult them, accuse them of shitposting, all while not providing a single argument against their point. Please, explain why their point wouldn't work to make a better narrative. Posts like yours add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Also, I'm sorry, but no shit. People would dislike something if they preceived it wasting its potential. Welcome to fandoms of literally any and every thing where people don't like getting something other than that they believe is better. I'm not even sure what point you tried to twist to make into a negative. That other people have different preferences that yours? ^ pretty much this The guy was funny shitting really hard on Fai, no joke, and I thought we got another interesting member in the Apocrypha threads. But if that wasn't Fai-induced rage but his actual only bit of personality, and he literally can't communicate with others except by being an aggressive elitist who thinks 4chan-style of angry shitposting is gonna solve everything... well, that's a problem. People have their own opinions, not everything they think comes from the same "mastermind", so he can't just attack everyone as if theiy're the same "enemy". Discussing is what civilized humans do in these situations to confront their respective opinions. I still hope he just hasn't realized yet that he's not a lone user against hundreds of Fai-clones, and that he can calm down in the near future. Because Fai at least it's funny in his delusions, forcestriker is just really annoying at this point, and has managed to make a calm, Fai-less thread just as bad as if he were here |
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Anon1566 said: mira-pyon said: still I agree with you, it's pretty easy to tell from the get-go that you are one of those dumb secondaries who read a summary or two, browsed the wiki for a bit and then pretends to know what they're talking about. Besides being a huge fatetard butthurt because you didn't get what you wished. O...kay? Lol, I know you won't believe me knowing how deluded you are, but I've read all the translations Canon(well I guess his name is Man_on_Lap now) pumped out before he died and all of the things on Nanodesu, so I know very well what I'm talking about. Also it's hilarious how you immediately jump to the conclusion that anyone who doesn't like Sieg is suddenly butthurt. I didn't wish for anything from Apo(lol). I only read Apocrypha because the anime was coming out. And barely anyone is even butthurt about Apo's failures. Disliking something =/= being butthurt, but I bet you've never seen a dictionary nor thesaurus in your life, so I'm sure you wouldn't have known. forcestriker said: If you don't like the show how he is, why don't you just drop it? Posting the same shit in every thread cannot change a series that has already been done and cannot be changed. Lol, I'm not Fai. Please, where have I posted the same thing in every thread? I literally explain why people dislike Sieg for the first time in this one thread and suddenly I'm a shit poster? xD Geez, you're hilarious. I didn't say I didn't like it either and it's ridiculous how you and your kind can jump to conclusions so easily. Not everyone who has read Apo or knows a lot about Fate hate it. No, 90% of those kind of people don't hate it. It's not great, but there's no reason to hate it. And I spent at least a whole month reading the LNs in anticipation, so there's no way I'm gonna drop it. >3> Think about it, you'll have more time to play your favourite generic mobage about ''waifus'' or watch their generic shounen series with stereotypical characters and their random pointless battles. Jokes on you, I play GO even when watching Apo. :^) In short, If they don't get what they want, so they swoop in here, squawk like hell, shit all over everything and then start all over again. Dude, I don't think you realise but... you and your friend with the Kazuma AV are the only shit posters here. Everyone else is discussing civilly. Just reread your own posts or those of your shitter colleagues, and don't forget to reread the posts from his shitter colleagues who cheat using multiple accounts. Did you really think no one would notice? You don’t have to be a genius to perceive that besides our regular shitters, the other shitters shitting on character are new users or 2015/2016 users with less than 15 postings. Who are you talking about? The only person who dislikes Apo is Fai and even then his posts are far less shit-posty than yours? Are you sure you're not just talking about yourself, lol? Or did you really think no one would realize that? mods? I should be calling the mods on you, m8. You literally started an account just to fight Fai. All of your 22 posts have been shit posts with no substance. You make hilariously retarded claims out of nowhere and expect anyone with working brain cells to actually believe you... No discussion has been done as a result of you constantly 'exposing' Fai. I could list things all day. Just face it, you're the only shit poster here and the only real cancer on the Apocrypha forums. I bet you aren't even watching the anime. You just come here to randomly attack people who know anything to feel some twisted sense of self-gratification. I kinda feel sorry for you, knowing that, even after reading my post, your madness will continue. Don't worry bro, they're getting desperate since we are now very close to the moment in which Sieg steals the limelight, plot and story, just ignore them and move on. Well Sieg never actually steals the limelight so... <.< |
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