| it looks to me like that hit was just a reflex, he didn't know it was a bitch. coulda been some nigga tryna knife his ass ya dig? |
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| That was b4da$$. |
| you sound poor |
| Well OP said it's a bitch so |
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| There looks like more to the story. His hit was a bit excessive though, both people were in the wrong. Must've been a small place to not have security. |
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ChairForceOne said: Afroman knocks this bitch out Because he got high. |
video from different angle ^ Looks like he was fully aware the girl was on stage prior to knocking her out to me, considering at the start it certainly looks like he's looking at her. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it's the impression I'm left with and if that's the case, it's hardly a reflex or appropriate response. That being said, why security even allowed this is beyond me and while I'm not a fan of victim blaming, but she made extremely poor decisions that night. |
lilcoffeebean said: video from different angle ^ Looks like he was fully aware the girl was on stage prior to knocking her out to me, considering at the start it certainly looks like he's looking at her. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it's the impression I'm left with and if that's the case, it's hardly a reflex or appropriate response. That being said, why security even allowed this is beyond me and while I'm not a fan of victim blaming, but she made extremely poor decisions that night. He wasnt aware. The police report and everything about the incident makes that clear. He didnt resist arrest and admitted to it once he found out what happened. He was even upset when the guy got on stage. I dont condone throwing punches, but its his job dude. If someone came to your work and started rubbing their ass on you while you were trying to work youd be pissed too. You are just desperate for it to be all his fault because he is famous. People LOVE when famous people make mistakes and lose money because they are jealous as hell. |
| I see a lot of people that don't know how reflexes work. Kek, he didn't "overreact", it was a normal reflex. |
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| he couldn't see her until he swung it was reflex (and she shouldn't have been there anyway) he should have no charges against him |
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| He obviously overreacted but she's a dumbass so it evens out. |
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| Reflex isn't a very strong defence, imo. In general you're responsible for your actions, even if they're reflexive. Also, overreaction and reflex aren't mutually exclusive. If to overreact is to "respond with more emotion or force than is justified", then I think most of us can agree that he overreacted. StopDropAndBowl said: Now this I more or less agree with.He obviously overreacted but she's a dumbass so it evens out. |
JoshFeb 18, 2015 5:05 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Lmao what a great man |
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| No, Joshiraku, I think you just don't know how the human body functions. This was no "overreaction", it was a reflex from being surprised by a random drunk girl twerking on him while he is concentrated on using an instrument. |
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Joshiraku said: Reflex isn't a very strong defence, imo. In general you're responsible for your actions, even if they're reflexive. Also, overreaction and reflex aren't mutually exclusive. If to overreact is to "respond with more emotion or force than is justified", then I think most of us can agree that he overreacted. he wasn't even consciously doing the reacting |
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Justice served. Society should put this man up on a pedestal and take this "women's rights" thing to the next level. |
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| although I think he overacted, I don't think he was really "wrong" image it the other way around: what if a guy went up to a girl and started rubbing his crotch on her, is it ok for her to hit him? I certainly wouldn't find it wrong for that to happen. |
| He would have been put in prison for life. ^ |
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joey101937 said: although I think he overacted, I don't think he was really "wrong" image it the other way around: what if a guy went up to a girl and started rubbing his crotch on her, is it ok for her to hit him? I certainly wouldn't find it wrong for that to happen. Of course society would act differently. We live in a pretty sexist world when it comes to that sort of stuff. |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: joey101937 said: although I think he overacted, I don't think he was really "wrong" image it the other way around: what if a guy went up to a girl and started rubbing his crotch on her, is it ok for her to hit him? I certainly wouldn't find it wrong for that to happen. Of course society would act differently. We live in a pretty sexist world when it comes to that sort of stuff. unfortunately true- there wouldn't even be a debate to be had like there is one here (if you even call this a debate) |
joey101937 said: If she socked him in the face so hard he dropped like a sack of potatoes, then yes, that would be quite the overreaction and no, that would not be okay.image it the other way around: what if a guy went up to a girl and started rubbing his crotch on her, is it ok for her to hit him? I certainly wouldn't find it wrong for that to happen. Immahnoob said: No, Joshiraku, I think you just don't know how the human body functions. This was no "overreaction", it was a reflex from being surprised by a random drunk girl twerking on him while he is concentrated on using an instrument. Involtus said: Neither of you considered my main argument, which was that you're responsible for your actions, even if they're reflexive. Why should reflex absolve a person from responsibility?he wasn't even consciously doing the reacting |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Joshiraku said: joey101937 said: If she socked him in the face so hard he dropped like a sack of potatoes, then yes, that would be quite the overreaction and no, that would not be okay.image it the other way around: what if a guy went up to a girl and started rubbing his crotch on her, is it ok for her to hit him? I certainly wouldn't find it wrong for that to happen. Immahnoob said: No, Joshiraku, I think you just don't know how the human body functions. This was no "overreaction", it was a reflex from being surprised by a random drunk girl twerking on him while he is concentrated on using an instrument. Involtus said: Neither of you considered my main argument, which was that you're responsible for your actions, even if they're reflexive. Why should reflex absolve a person from responsibility?he wasn't even consciously doing the reacting 1. he would be charged with at the very least sexual harassment, if not assault, self defense would likely apply as far as the law is concerned. (he didn't even knock her out) 2. I don't think it really matters if it was reflexive either- and I don't think that they were saying an action being reflexive makes it OK, the problem is that even if it was intentional, hitting someone is an understandable reaction to sexual harassment. |
| ^ How is that even anything close to sexual harassment? |
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Joshiraku said: This is what we call "self-defense", as his reflex was forced out by the woman that was face pushed away. Drunk or not, she had no reason to be on stage and startle the singer.Neither of you considered my main argument, which was that you're responsible for your actions, even if they're reflexive. Why should reflex absolve a person from responsibility? |
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| Ouch. |
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| Why are we even bringing gender in this discussion? All I see is a dumb drunk stumbling on stage and acting like a dick in the middle of a performance. Perhaps the performer put a bit too much strength in that shove but, honestly, it hardly seems worthy of a discussion... Plus, she got up like it was nothing and took it like a champ, by the looks of that second video, so I guess everything's fine in the end... |
Lo-Lee-Ta said: "making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks"^ How is that even anything close to sexual harassment? i would say touching him with her ass qualifies as an advance, as would a guy rubbing his crotch on a woman. it was unwanted, that much is obvious. |
joey101937 said: Maybe, but I'm not sure. While I have personally never seen something quite like what you described, I have seen guys sneak on stage and forcibly hug female performers (Lights, Haley Williams of Paramore, a few others). As far as I know, they were just kicked off stage and that was the end of it.1. he would be charged with at the very least sexual harassment, if not assault, self defense would likely apply as far as the law is concerned. (he didn't even knock her out) |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| That's like saying: "Well, X killer got away without going to prison, so it's ok if all the others do the same." |
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joey101937 said: oh yes, you confused me by saying "he":Lo-Lee-Ta said: "making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks"^ How is that even anything close to sexual harassment? i would say touching him with her ass qualifies as an advance, as would a guy rubbing his crotch on a woman. it was unwanted, that much is obvious. joey101937 said: he would be charged with at the very least sexual harassment |
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Immahnoob said: I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm saying that the argument "if it was the other way around he'd go to jail" doesn't sound too convincing. Big difference. I actually agree with most of you that she should be charged or fined.That's like saying: "Well, X killer got away without going to prison, so it's ok if all the others do the same." |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| And you're not answering the other point. He shouldn't have been fined. And I really didn't push that argument of theirs either, just saying. |
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| Well someone has to put a stop to that stupid shitty 'dance'. |
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Immahnoob said: Your point regarding self-defence, you mean? My position is that his reaction, regardless of the ways it may be explained or justified (self-defence, reflex, etc), was disproportionately violent, given the lack of physical threat.* That's it. And you're not answering the other point. He shouldn't have been fined. And I really didn't push that argument of theirs either, just saying. *This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but for God's sake, no one say "ur implying all women r weak u sexist!" No, I'm not. If you watched the same video that I did you can surely agree that she was not posing any sort of physical threat. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| You don't need to be physically threatened to be threatening, considering the circumstances. |
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Joshiraku said: Immahnoob said: Your point regarding self-defence, you mean? My position is that his reaction, regardless of the ways it may be explained or justified (self-defence, reflex, etc), was disproportionately violent, given the lack of physical threat.* That's it. And you're not answering the other point. He shouldn't have been fined. And I really didn't push that argument of theirs either, just saying. *This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but for God's sake, no one say "ur implying all women r weak u sexist!" No, I'm not. If you watched the same video that I did you can surely agree that she was not posing any sort of physical threat. a guy rubbing his crotch on a woman is no more threatening than what she did to him- and the violence wasn't even that extreme- not enough to knock her out, which isn't too crazy of a thing to happen. |
ChairForceOne said: He was even upset when the guy got on stage. I dont condone throwing punches, but its his job dude. If someone came to your work and started rubbing their ass on you while you were trying to work youd be pissed too. You are just desperate for it to be all his fault because he is famous. You're misunderstanding and reading into something that was not there. I merely stated from the video angle provided by another source it looks as if he was looking directly at her prior to her 'grinding' on him. I even made sure to point out that I could be wrong as it was my perception. That has nothing to do with any 'desire' for him to be guilty for being famous and that conclusion makes no sense, although his interview does not paint him in the most pleasant light because of the excuses he lists. However, if he really wasn't aware she was there, I certainly wouldn't classify it as assault, not that my classification matters in regards to the law. Your other point is also not comparable. If someone came to my work and were grinding their ass on me, yes I would be pissed, but I am an adult and would not 'deck' someone for such a trivial matter. But...this is irrelevant as the two scenario's are not the same. |
retiring_animeFeb 18, 2015 8:01 PM
| Dat Bitch got knocked the fuck out!!! |
| Everyone is going on and on and on and on about the fact that he hit her....but nobody is talking about the fact that she got up and walked out on her own. That's a tough bitch right there. I'm surprised she didn't square off with him afterwards. |
| This whole incident just made me lol. Not sure how I feel about it |
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| That woman dare to sexually harassing the man on the stage in front of everyone. A punch in the face is not enough, she should be put on trial for assault. |
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azzuRe said: That woman dare to sexually harassing the man on the stage in front of everyone. A punch in the face is not enough, she should be put on trial for assault. lol |
ChairForceOne said: Joshiraku said: Lol, come on. This is pure projection. He reacted as if that woman broke into his house and started grinding on him while he was sleeping. My point was that, given the circumstances, the "I was just so incredibly shocked" defence is a tough sell. So grinding on a man is acceptable under certain circumstances and not others? Under what circumstances is it ok to grind on a woman without her consent? Mikasa said: Still bad on his part. He's no man. And I'm guessing you are a man because you irrationally protect guilty women simply because of their genitalia? No but I wouldn't hit one like that for such a petty reason. If I were him and I was really pissed off I'd shove her away from me and walk off |
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| What if she had a gun or a knife? Women are just as dangerous as men, no matter how small their bodies are. |
| So I can go in the metro, bitch slap anyone around me and say "what if they had knives?" |
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Mikasa said: So I can go in the metro, bitch slap anyone around me and say "what if they had knives?" That's not really comparable, the metro is a public space where physical interaction with others is bound to happen. A stage on the other hand is a zone that only the artist should be and physical contact from behind could very well have been unexpected. I know you contend that it was not a reflex, but I don't think that's a fair assertion given that the events took place in less than a second. This all of course hangs on the premise that he was not aware she was on stage to begin with. I do overall agree with what I think is your point though, that acting in violence because of what someone 'could have' is a silly point and a lot of violence is perpetrated because of such nonsense. |
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