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vongola-undecimo said: I definitely think so going by the definition. "Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing their warm side over time. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere Shaina is one of the rare tsunderes that I actually like.DrGeroCreation said: They must be like Shaina.  Shaina has a very good reason for being tsundere and her being tsundere is done in a serious, mature manner not for comedy like what is done in romcoms. does shaina count as a tsundere,needless to say the whole thing with her and seiya just did'nt click with me |
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DrGeroCreation said: vongola-undecimo said: I definitely think so going by the definition. "Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing their warm side over time. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere Shaina is one of the rare tsunderes that I actually like.does shaina count as a tsundere,needless to say the whole thing with her and seiya just did'nt click with me With that definition a lot of classical tsunderes are not tsunderes, because they are abusive from start to finish and the tsun/dere ratio stays about the same throughout the show. It says it's a character development process, but it's mostly used as a character archetype, with development being optional. The definition seems outdated considering how the term is used nowadays. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: I think it's partially correct because it doesn't take classical tsunderes into account as you said. I definitely do think though that Shaina is a tsundere but not really a typical tsundere. Her being tsundere is a serious internal conflict.DrGeroCreation said: I definitely think so going by the definition. "Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing their warm side over time. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere Shaina is one of the rare tsunderes that I actually like. With that definition a lot of classical tsunderes are not tsunderes, because they are abusive from start to finish and the tsun/dere ratio stays about the same throughout the show. It says it's a character development process, but it's mostly used as a character archetype, with development being optional. The definition seems outdated considering how the term is used nowadays. |
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ninjastarforcex said: Dark_Chaos said: Not after Friagne she wasn't. After that all she could do was yell Yuji. They took a great character and ruined her. haha where is your childhood? shana =/= shaina How old do you think I am? 0_0 |
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DrGeroCreation said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I think it's partially correct because it doesn't take classical tsunderes into account as you said. I definitely do think though that Shaina is a tsundere but not really a typical tsundere. Her being tsundere is a serious internal conflict.With that definition a lot of classical tsunderes are not tsunderes, because they are abusive from start to finish and the tsun/dere ratio stays about the same throughout the show. It says it's a character development process, but it's mostly used as a character archetype, with development being optional. The definition seems outdated considering how the term is used nowadays. Well, I'll certainly get to Saint Seiya one of these days years so I'll see for myself if she's a good tsundere, or if I'd just not call her a tsundere. Your analysis of her definitely piqued my interest. |
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JD2411 said: there's no such thing as a good tsundere |
| They can't be violent, cant say "B-Baka!" in every sentence and good character development. A perfect example is Kurisu Makise |
DrGeroCreation said: They must be like Shaina. Shaina has a very good reason for being tsundere and her being tsundere is done in a serious, mature manner not for comedy like what is done in romcoms. shaina is shit btw, ikki is the best tsundere, best tsundere is always man piccolo, vegeta, ikki, syaoran, kaiba, chiaki, midorima, etc and there is no best tsundere girl, because they are all shit. you know, thread "why girl like bad abusive boy" in casual discussion? well, the answer is... why you guys like abusive tsundere girl? thats the same shit :p im not gay btw :p |
| Whether or not they're voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro. |
| Makise Kurisu is the perfect tsundere. Not violent and cute. Louise is the worst tsundere ever. She should burn. |
| I also want to take this opportunity to say that Inuyasha was a very good tsundere, and not just because he was a traditional tsundere either. Unlike most tsunderes, he genuinely hated Kagome at first and with good reason too. It was quite realistic. Also, as far as I know, he is the only anti-hero/tsundere (is he still an anti-hero by the end? Was he ever an anti-hero? Oh well, I thought he was at first anyway) combination, and what a great mix it was. |
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tsudecimo said: Good Tsunderes I know are Senjougahara (although it's debatable because of how unique she is) and Taiga. I don't consider Hitagi a Tsundere at all, if anything she shares more similarities of a kuudere and yandere, just because she calls herself one doesn't make her one.. For me there's 2 type of tsundere's you usually get. 1. the least common, this is a character that is usually aggressive, cruel and violent towards everyone BUT the person they love Aquarius from FT, Boa Hancock from OP 2. the more common one, where the character hides their feelings, by being aggressive, violent and mean towards the person they love, and will usually lie and say they don't have feelings and will usually only reveal them near the end if at all. Hitagi is neither of these, firstly she never denies and lies about her feelings secondly she treats pretty much everyone the same with her snarkness. But there is though a lot for the yandere side, first the reason she falls in love is a very yandere way, she even says it herself who ever saved her she would of fallen love with, remind you of anyone? None other than the queen of yandere herself Yuno falls in love a similar way with yuuki. Secondly she threatens to kill him and anyone he cheats with if he cheats on her. Thirdly possibly most damning of all she kidnaps Arargi in Nise for his own protection, another trait similar to Yuno could go on but I made my point. As for kuudere her snark and previously cold attitude to love and her general personality is classic kuudere. |
She's definitely worth checking out. I'm a guy who really hates tsunderes yet I found it impossible to hate her after everything about her was revealed. LOL hard to argue against that although I have never had a thing for violent tsunderes. Shaina is just a special exception for me. |
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ElPysCongroo said: tsudecimo said: Good Tsunderes I know are Senjougahara (although it's debatable because of how unique she is) and Taiga. I don't consider Hitagi a Tsundere at all, if anything she shares more similarities of a kuudere and yandere, just because she calls herself one doesn't make her one.. For me there's 2 type of tsundere's you usually get. 1. the least common, this is a character that is usually aggressive, cruel and violent towards everyone BUT the person they love Aquarius from FT, Boa Hancock from OP 2. the more common one, where the character hides their feelings, by being aggressive, violent and mean towards the person they love, and will usually lie and say they don't have feelings and will usually only reveal them near the end if at all. Hitagi is neither of these, firstly she never denies and lies about her feelings secondly she treats pretty much everyone the same with her snarkness. But there is though a lot for the yandere side, first the reason she falls in love is a very yandere way, she even says it herself who ever saved her she would of fallen love with, remind you of anyone? None other than the queen of yandere herself Yuno falls in love a similar way with yuuki. Secondly she threatens to kill him and anyone he cheats with if he cheats on her. Thirdly possibly most damning of all she kidnaps Arargi in Nise for his own protection, another trait similar to Yuno could go on but I made my point. As for kuudere her snark and previously cold attitude to love and her general personality is classic kuudere. I agree that Senjougahara is not Tsundere,and I'm glad someone can see that. I think she's a more complex character,she has the traits of a Yandere but acts Kuudere. That's how I see her at least. |
DrGeroCreation said: vongola-undecimo said: I definitely think so going by the definition. "Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing their warm side over time. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere Shaina is one of the rare tsunderes that I actually like.does shaina count as a tsundere,needless to say the whole thing with her and seiya just did'nt click with me Ya do'nt say,I always viewed tsundere as someone who liked someone and acted violently cuz she could'nt eexpress herself y'know all that romantic nonsense,if that's the case i'dd probably have to recheck my "Tsunderes are all shit" stance OR NOT With Shaina I viewed it as a more Pride vs Duty thing as opposed to a love thing (until Kurumada decided to throw in the whole "Aww she lved him all along thing") well,she was always Seiya's bitch to begin witth Anyway I'll just be going with my definition for now |
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Sapewloth said: Being Rin Tohsaka. ninjastarforcex said: DrGeroCreation said: They must be like Shaina. Shaina has a very good reason for being tsundere and her being tsundere is done in a serious, mature manner not for comedy like what is done in romcoms. shaina is shit btw, ikki is the best tsundere, best tsundere is always man piccolo, vegeta, ikki, syaoran, kaiba, chiaki, midorima, etc and there is no best tsundere girl, because they are all shit. you know, thread "why girl like bad abusive boy" in casual discussion? well, the answer is... why you guys like abusive tsundere girl? thats the same shit :p im not gay btw :p Come on Bro.......We all know Zebra's the best Tsundere's..............He'll have you cook for him and as an after-meal exercise try to beat the shit out of your boyfriend |
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Well she isn't the stereotypical type of tsundere you would find in romcoms. At the core of it she is definitely a tsundere considering she is violent and hostile to Seiya yet she loves him but there is more to it than that. She is more complex than the average tsundere. With her it's more of a Pride and Duty vs Love scenario than just Pride vs Duty scenario. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: OrangeRafi said: Why do you people hate tsunderes? A good tsundere for me are the likes of Tohsaka, Rin from Fate/Stay Night and Makise, Kuirisu from Steins;Gate. they're both b*tches but you'll still love them. Well, in general because they turn something positive and beautiful (love) into something annoying and painful. Individually because they almost always fail to make me understand them. I just don't understand putting your loved through verbal and physical harassment/pain, no matter if it's a common trope or not. As for your examples, Kurisu was pretty tame and also in SG pretty much everyone was a sidekick to Okabe in terms of screen presence. He was too awesome for me to even start getting annoyed with Kurisu. Okabe was a tsundere, too, though. |
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ElPysCongroo said: tsudecimo said: Good Tsunderes I know are Senjougahara (although it's debatable because of how unique she is) and Taiga. I don't consider Hitagi a Tsundere at all, if anything she shares more similarities of a kuudere and yandere, just because she calls herself one doesn't make her one.. For me there's 2 type of tsundere's you usually get. 1. the least common, this is a character that is usually aggressive, cruel and violent towards everyone BUT the person they love Aquarius from FT, Boa Hancock from OP 2. the more common one, where the character hides their feelings, by being aggressive, violent and mean towards the person they love, and will usually lie and say they don't have feelings and will usually only reveal them near the end if at all. Hitagi is neither of these, firstly she never denies and lies about her feelings secondly she treats pretty much everyone the same with her snarkness. But there is though a lot for the yandere side, first the reason she falls in love is a very yandere way, she even says it herself who ever saved her she would of fallen love with, remind you of anyone? None other than the queen of yandere herself Yuno falls in love a similar way with yuuki. Secondly she threatens to kill him and anyone he cheats with if he cheats on her. Thirdly possibly most damning of all she kidnaps Arargi in Nise for his own protection, another trait similar to Yuno could go on but I made my point. As for kuudere her snark and previously cold attitude to love and her general personality is classic kuudere. I definitely agree. For everyone who has watched Bakemonogatari it's easy to understand that when they call Senjougahara tsundere it's being used more like a comical exaggeration than anything else. Talking about Senjougahara, I wish they made more episodes with her and Arararagi... No one cares about random girls Ararararagi decides to save or about his sisters ^_^ |
| Think of tsundere like you were addicted to something. First step is the denial phase 2nd phase is the admitting one 3rd phase is the solving one. Basically all tsundere are like that . Most of them are annoying and violent , but there are the rare and sweet ones and makes you laugh when you see them in denial phase. I would describe a good tsundere one that slowly through the story she gets dere while going tsun when she gets emberassed. Take Kurisu , for example . If you look how she acted when she was drunk and create a comparison to how she was after wards . She was in denial , she admitted that she needs him and she proceeded to solve that need. |
| "Love is a drug to our brain , it stops the thinking function and when you realize it wether you acomplish it or not you'll enter in one of the 3 withdrawal states : happy , sad or anger. Once this drug gets hold of you you'd better be prepaired beforehand." - Me |
| The good tsunderes are the ones who don't go too over the top, and actually develop from the beginning of the anime, to the end. |
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Feaor said: So many Tsundere haters. Not as many as you'd think. |
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FloatsBoats said: Whether or not they're voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro. |
geralt said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Well, in general because they turn something positive and beautiful (love) into something annoying and painful. Individually because they almost always fail to make me understand them. I just don't understand putting your loved through verbal and physical harassment/pain, no matter if it's a common trope or not. As for your examples, Kurisu was pretty tame and also in SG pretty much everyone was a sidekick to Okabe in terms of screen presence. He was too awesome for me to even start getting annoyed with Kurisu. Okabe was a tsundere, too, though. See the post of ninjastarforcex. Male tsunderes are good (one of the reasons being that they rarely get physical unlike their counterparts) :>. |
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| Ookami Ryouko makes a good Tsundere. |
DrGeroCreation said: Well she isn't the stereotypical type of tsundere you would find in romcoms. At the core of it she is definitely a tsundere considering she is violent and hostile to Seiya yet she loves him but there is more to it than that. She is more complex than the average tsundere. With her it's more of a Pride and Duty vs Love scenario than just Pride vs Duty scenario. the main reason i do'nt consider her a tsundere is that from my point ofview,it's not that she liked and was in denial but that she did'nt want to like him.......sorta like how a forced marriage works and her being hostile to seiya was her taking the other option rather than tsundereness |
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Being Assistant Kurisu-tina, The Zombie. |
| OH, please , she's Hentai Shoujo! |
| "Love is a drug to our brain , it stops the thinking function and when you realize it wether you acomplish it or not you'll enter in one of the 3 withdrawal states : happy , sad or anger. Once this drug gets hold of you you'd better be prepaired beforehand." - Me |
| Because they are not the typical stupid/dumb girl in animes?. You should watch toradora/niseko/zero no tsukaimai and you will like them maybe. |
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vongola-undecimo said: Nothing really,THEY'RE ALL CRAP............if you happen to come across one in real life,Drop a space colony on them.......Sure you'll probably take the planet along,But Hey,it's a reasonable sacrifice Omg, hahaha! I agree. |
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vongola-undecimo said: She was in denial and also didn't want to like him. She wasn't really forced because no one saw what happened between her and Seiya so that the law would not be enforced, she took it upon herself. In my mind she is without a doubt a tsundere but not the stereotypical kind.DrGeroCreation said: Well she isn't the stereotypical type of tsundere you would find in romcoms. At the core of it she is definitely a tsundere considering she is violent and hostile to Seiya yet she loves him but there is more to it than that. She is more complex than the average tsundere. With her it's more of a Pride and Duty vs Love scenario than just Pride vs Duty scenario. the main reason i do'nt consider her a tsundere is that from my point ofview,it's not that she liked and was in denial but that she did'nt want to like him.......sorta like how a forced marriage works and her being hostile to seiya was her taking the other option rather than tsundereness |
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| Not violent. Not unprovoked or unreasonably abusive and rude (i.e., calling somebody a pervert for no reason, being an asshole for no reason, etc). Are merely abrasive, blunt, and short with people, not somebody who deliberately goes out of their way to be an asshole. By the end of the story, they aren't a tsundere any more. Asunajx said: Except they are.Because they are not the typical stupid/dumb girl in animes? |
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| Good tsundere characters don't have that compulsive need to act like violent, obnoxious children who are in a constant state of denial. Kurisu is the only "good" tsundere in my book. She doesn't have the typically obnoxious traits of a garden-variety tsundere. |
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JD2411 said: there's no such thing as a good tsundere |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
Sapewloth said: Being Rin Tohsaka. Or Asuka Langley Soryu. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
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Forgetfulness said: He caught meFlareStar101 said: Guess you should take Sinon out of your favorite characters then |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
FlareStar101 said: Forgetfulness said: He caught meGuess you should take Sinon out of your favorite characters then you thought sinon is kuudere right? now we know after latest episode sinon just another shit tsundere or you really like shit tsundere, as touka is shit tsundere too |
clare77 said: What makes a good tsundere? Not slapping the MC oh wait, tsunderes always slap the MC ... |
ninjastarforcex said: you thought sinon is kuudere right? now we know after latest episode sinon just another shit tsundere or you really like shit tsundere, as touka is shit tsundere too It's ignorant to hate tsundere characters, or any character type, without proper reasoning. Otherwise you fall into the group of rather bland people who categorize according to "person A, B, and C seem to have this personality and thus they must fall in this generic anime character category and therefore are unlikable." Sinon seems to be "tsundere" as a direct result of her past. From what we can garner so far she's probably killed someone in real life (or went through some tragedy). The complexity of her character serves as the template for her cold and distant attitude which merely masks a young girl. And no, those qualifications are not grounds for a generic tsundere because now the character actually has a reason for being so apathetic/overreactive. |
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