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| Ha, looks like I was right all along - Lain existed primarily in the Wired. While this cleared up some things, it also left me behind a bit... is Eiri the "god", or is that someone else? |
VokocaJul 5, 2013 6:56 AM
| Why does Eiri want Lain to join the wired so badly? Most of the questions got answered this episode, but not fully. I mean, everything about her parents did, and msot of her life. So far, i can only agree with what Mr.Face-paint had to say. She never seemed to be alive, and her not having parents... Flip, with two episodes left, i really want to know what Lain really is. I don't believe Eiri too much, he must be trying to gain something, though if he truly loves her... And when Karl said he loved Lain, i LOL'd. I mean, you could say that he finds her to be such a mystery that he loves her, but come on karl! Eitherway, seeing those members of knights die had me happy at first, but tbh, i feel kinda sad now. ^Agree with most of what you said!! |
| the knights got dealt with and all of lain's life was a lie? o_O well, that would explain why her parents felt so cold but her "sister" was pretty normal before she got swapped away, guess she'll never come back at this point.. |
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| the only problem i had with this episode is as to why did Lain cover herself with wires. Is her father involved with the Tachibana Labs and Eiri Masami? "Is a god still a god when nobody worships him?" |
| "If you reject me, I'll blast a hole in you!" Kanzaki H. Aria Just kidding.  |
| The first conversation is actually really confusing if you are not paying attention. Eiri starts to reads lain's mind and Lain response is to do the same. It seems that Eiri changed the protocol that controls the wired communication and he implanted himself in it (we kinda already knew that from the last episode in an implied way), and the knights are just pawns of faith to worship him and provide the tools he would need. He's the self-proclaimed kami-sama (god) of the wired. Lain doesn't believe what Eiri says to her, she still believe in her existence in the real world as a person, that's till her reality starts to change, probably Eiri is trying to implant the idea that she's not needed in the real world. We see how lain's father says goodbye to her, he's not needed to care of her anymore, and the idea of lain being part of the wired is growing inside her. Now is the time for lain to strike back, lain is pissed and she's after the knights, kami's worshipers. She unveils the identity of the knights in the wired, and of course they are getting erased from earth by the organization that karl and Lin are part of. After that we see how Eiri still exist even tough he doesn't have any worshipers anymore, he says that lain still believes in him, something is happening inside lain's head. |
| なんとかなる |
| The lesson to be learnt in this episode is don't piss off Lain Iwakura. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| This episode definitely made the most sense so far and seemed to clear up many things. My interpretation so far: Eiri, with the creation of his residual thought program, was able to transfer his consciousness into the Wired. He is "alive" in the Wired, but dead in real life. He is seen as the God of the Wired by the Knights who worship him. Eiri then created the original Lain: the Lain of the Wired. The physical body of the Lain we know was never the real Lain from the start. I'm guessing it could have been some other person or a created body in order to later "implant" the Wired Lain's consciousness into it. Everything Lain thought was real (family, friends, memories) was all just set up until her Wired personality would awaken. The awakening slowly and continuously happened when she initially connected to the Wired. The goal seems to be to break the barrier between the real world and the Wired. |
| Figured most of this out several episodes ago.. I was surprised when the MiB/Illuminati went and killed all the Knights. So Michael Jackson created Lain? huh. |
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Marzan said: The lesson to be learnt in this episode is don't piss off Lain Iwakura. |
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| So what was up with Karl x Lain there, why'd he say that ._. |
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| Lains house is still leaking computers? They need to fix that. |
| Just want this to be over already! Thankful I can watch all these episodes so closely together, would be confused otherwise. Think I got what is going on now at least, even if it's kind of boring and not at the same time. |
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| A lot of information in this episode - Lain seems to be becoming more linked to the wired than anytime before. Her technology is coming out of the wall now and she has it attached to her body too. - This may be a metaphor for the idea of someone who spends too much time on the internet as Lain's case is how her friends don't associate with her anymore and how she is not going to school anymore. - Lain was probably the one that killed the knights. I'm not sure why yet. - That God like being made Lain and she seems to have more power than him. |
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| This episode definitely made the most sense so far... |
roboto56 said: Boba_Fett said: Who the fuck is Lain, she never existed? And why did she made that list of all the knights, and why where they all killed, ugh so much questions again. But lol what's up with that one man in black saying he loves Lain, and than that other dude oO? Damn this is still confusing as fuck :/ by wiping out the knights or the believers of the so called god, they are effectively removing the idea of a higher power, which they mentioned as being a goal later on. without believers or worshipers a god cant be called a god. I liked how this show tackled this topic. Very much reminded me of how Pratchett let one his gods die in that manner. A god that has no believers ceases to exist. |
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elfuun said: Karl saying he loves Lain was really creepy, even for this show's standards. On the other hand, Lain's fake dad saying she loved her, was sweet. So now it is Lain vs. Eiri? Also, RIP in pieces, knights. I took Karl's statement as less a romantic love as maybe the love of a person for a divine entity - a sort of undying loyalty that because difficult to express when you're seeing the Divine, face to face, and the Divine comes across as being so amazingly vulnerable and, well, human. |
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| Aw man, I feel bad for Lain. |
| Ok, so the Lain we met in the beginning wasn't real but a homunculus of the real Lain of the Wired who was created by this God guy who was human and transferred his consciousness into the Wired and officially died in the real world... And her family wasn't her real family, just placed there to pose as her family, by who? The Knights or the men in black? The pieces are falling together, finally, but it's still an extremely weird anime... And why the heck does "peeping tom" Karl love Lain? Where is the justification is that?? That's just messed up. ★3/5 |
| Everybody's saying "Ooooh things are starting to make sense" but I'm still like "...huh?" I'm dumb I know. |
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| I feel bad for her sister. Okay, so the pieces of the puzzle are finally falling into places. I can't wait to get all my questions answered. I'm loving this, totally. And everyone's suddenly a pedophile -_-" What do they get in a flat-chested kid, man? >_< But I definitely love Lain as a character. She's outstanding, and unimaginably awesome. And yeah, Lain is not a real person, then. I wonder how the world would seem if I were her, with everything just crashing down on me. If every goddamn thing I believed were a lie, I'd just kill myself outta despair. Thank God, I'm as real as I ever can be. Can't wait to get this over with. Loving this waaaay too much <3 |
| I just want to give Lain a hug. :c |
| Although Eiri's physical body no longer exists, his mind is alive in the Wired and he's a self-proclaimed god there. The Knights worship him and the organization which Karl works for is after all the Knights hence the dead CEO who was ogling his secretary, dead mommy, dead obese otaku, etc. Lain in the Wired is the real Lain and may have been patterned off the Lain in the real world, perhaps only her appearance was copied and Lain in the real world is a totally different person with the same face? The previous episode about Roswell and aliens makes sense now. |
| 臭い- |
| Confusing episode , its weird how those kids are very mature lol . |
| blah blah...predictable 2/5 |
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| Why is everybody after that Lain booty? not that i blame any of them That revelation...So the Wired Lain is the real one, while the other one isn't. |
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Why are they using the definition of god in this. Is it referring to the fact, that people can be manipulated and influenced through information ? Well I am still feeling like  |
| Did that Illuminati nigga just say "I Love You" to a 12 year old? 10/10 for pedophilia. |
| shes an artificial inteligence? who is this god guy? why everyone is pedophilying lain? |
| So if the men in black don't know what Lain is, and Lain was "created" by Masami, why did the man in black create a family for Lain? If men in black and Masami are like enemies, how is all this supposed to work? |
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| So you mean to say they've taken what we thought we think and make us think we thought our thoughts we've been thinking our thoughts we think we thought? I think… -Patrick star Okno :v. This is a little late, but I did not see that anyone has put it ... Someone noticed that always the anime (After the opening, and before the title of the episode) starts with the same scenes as always, from the first episode until now ?. I thought I should tell them, since in chapter 11 it will not be the same.    |
FireCrauterApr 11, 2018 8:01 PM
| Did you notice that Lain and the man who calls himself God switch pronouns? At first, "God" uses the male pronoun boku and Lain uses the female pronoun atashi. It goes something like this: Lain: Are you God? (Anata wa Kami-sama?) God: Yes. I am God. (Sou. Boku wa Kami-sama da.) God: Why are you God? I don't understand? (Doushite anata nanka Kami-sama na no? Atashi wakaranai...) God: You're dead, aren't you? And just a human being... someone like that cannot be a god, can they? Lain: I realized that I have no need for a body. (I can't catch the Japanese words, but she definitely uses boku.) This is weird. Not only their choice of pronouns, but the way "God" comments on and questions his own claim. The two appear to have swapped bodies: Her voice is coming out of him and his voice is coming out of her. My hypothesis is that they - Lain and "God" (who is apparently Eiri Masami) are somehow one. She is another manifestation of him, I think. I brought up a similar issue in the thread for episode 6, where Professor Hodgeson also uses atashi, which struck me as odd. Here in episode 10 this switch is obviously significant. This suggests to me that it might also be significant in episode 6 and that Hodgeson might also be a manifestation of God/Eiri/Lain. I'm less sure about that, though. |
| Holy shit, thinks start to make sense! Awesome anime XD |
"No matter where you go, everyone's connected." Iwakura, Lain. |
| So, the Knights are dead. All of them. And there are no longer "believers" for there to be a "God"... Now, Lain is just a hologram to the reality...?! I suspected that slightly, but wow, it left me quite surprised. And too, three mans say that they "love" Lain... Her false "dad", that man with the strange glasses but this time without the strange glasses and the "God". |
| We know what Lain actually is.. or is she really only hologram, homonculus? I still have so many questions This anime is like cake It's full of lies :P |
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| I think I'm losing interest at this point. I've enjoyed it up until now but I'm starting to feel like...meh |
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| Okay I'm starting to understand stand now. I feel so bad for Lain |
| WOW! What an episode. And finally a few answers are starting to come to light... |
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| So three dudes professed their love to Lain in this ep. Whether Lain should be existing in rl or she's just a mere hologram, these two captions stuck with me:   If she's not allowed in rl or wired world, then where does she belong? This is my fave ep so far |
  ★━━─ 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘵? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘺? |
| Lain just wanted to live a normal quiet life that can be enjoyed with her friends and family and her conviction to do so made her go as far as to expose everyone in Knights so she can discard her godhood by eliminating the idea of such beings in the Wired existing... It's sad that the true circumstances behind her existence makes it pretty much impossible to get what she wants without having to get rid of herself first though. She might just be able to pull it off somehow, hm. Everyone loves Lain for some reason lul |
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| Take it easy, guys. The fact that Lain is a deity doesn't necessarily mean you all can profess your love to her so openly. Well, glad things weren't as confusing as in the last episode. Most aspects made more sense now whereas some others still remain in the dark. So basically, the fact of Lain being an entity born in the Wired got reaffirmed while it was also revealed that Masami (self-proclaimed God who transferred his consciousness into the Wired once he died) is the creator of Lain's "legend". Legend that was disseminated through the Wired and led virtual Lain to materialize a "body" (or bodies) in the real world with fake parents and fake friends. She's still a bit in denial about this fact and refuses to believe in Masami's words but it's understandable. The guy seems too eager for Lain to leave the real world so I'm pretty sure he has some other intentions he doesn't plan to share with her. On the other hand, members of Knights are being killed left and right. Lain only wanted to know who they were but it seems the Men in Black took that chance to hunt all of them down since their goal is to keep the Wired as a controlled addition of the real world and nothing else. In this regard, Lain is also a threat to them so I now wonder what will happen between these two. |
SouthRzVaSep 30, 2020 11:37 AM
| @JOELbedulla Keen insight. I suspect there are a lot more gnostic undertones than that, but my scant knowledge of gnosticism is really rusty so I'm probably too underinformed to peel it off. Anyway, assuming "God" isn't fucking with her, it's good to know my earlier prediction that Lain is a cyber-being manifesting in the real world is spot on. My problem with this series is that it feels like a loosely connected string of isolated events divorced from coherent storytelling. Things are happening, but there's this vague sense of confusion like I missed several scenes in between two events... or, rather, in between each episode. Either I'm supposed to imagine my own interweaving narrative, or I'm too stupid to piece together the information clearly in front of me. Or, alternatively, the confusion is the point, because I suspect it's Lain's perspective, too, and the purpose is to put us in Lain's perspective... but I still don't have a working understanding of what Lain even is. Using this episode for example, she goes from being connected to a series of wires presumably to manifest in The Wired to walking down a street when God appears to her. There's this vague sense of unknowing. What's the real Lain, what isn't? Is it all the real Lain? It all kind of reminds me of Perfect Blue except slower and, frankly, more boring. |
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