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Sigmar-Unberogen said: they made robots They made cyborgs, not robots. The difference is that cyborgs still have biological components (in this case the brain or at least parts of it). Sigmar-Unberogen said: humanity is ruled by AI There has yet to be any mention of the existence of AI, they just said that the corporations (which were probably responsible for the pollution in the first place) set up a system where many processes are heavily automated in order to govern the population but thats about it. Who is at the top of this system has yet to be revealed. Could be an AI, could be a global elite. I guess we'll see soon enough. Sigmar-Unberogen said: Where did the Godol/monsters come from though? This has yet to be explained but they are most likely bioengineered by the Solid Quake corporation. |
NoumuJul 22, 2020 12:54 PM
| Three episodes in and honestly, idk how to feel about the show. The world building is neat on most parts and Natsume seems like a curious character to keep an eye on. But..I don't know how to feel about the overall storytelling. The whole concept of fighting Gadolls and state of their world seems like sci-fi stuff I've seen before. I do like Natsume's own determination although it's rather silly to watch her train. At least she has a decent mentor with a lot of knowledge and experience. |
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ninadyeole said: BUT, What the hell is with the rating?? 7.03? Bruhh moment. Anyways looking forward for this Anime even if it wakes the turn for worse The last episode's twist pissed a lot of people off and led to score bombing. There was a 3/10 review sitting at the at the "most helpful" spot after the episode, but it looks like they've deleted all the reviews that came out in response to the twist |
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| Natsume's noises and facial expressions are hilarious |
FinalReality56 said: ninadyeole said: BUT, What the hell is with the rating?? 7.03? Bruhh moment. Anyways looking forward for this Anime even if it wakes the turn for worse The last episode's twist pissed a lot of people off and led to score bombing. There was a 3/10 review sitting at the at the "most helpful" spot after the episode, but it looks like they've deleted all the reviews that came out in response to the twist Mal review rules forbid preliminary reviews before at least 3 episodes have aired, any review made on the first or second episode of a show will be deleted, it has nothing to do with review bombing it's just a rule they've always had. |
| Can't we all just sit down and enjoy this for what it is: a well thought-out, unique, original anime with an interesting premise and fasinating world building. |
| Much better episode than last week's.. Still a really odd show and difficult to say how I feel about it still.. but I will give it time and it might just grow on me! I can't help but feel that Pipe is really giving me those Mitty vibes... Natsume is learning to be in combat with those Gadolls, eventhough they are on "tutorial" level as Kaburagi mentioned! I like that training montage, liked the OST played during that even more! So Pipe and Natsume are both bugs, with Kaburagi taking care of both of them, I wonder what will happen when he gets too personal attached to them and can't rid of them anymore! |
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Rahkshilord said: FinalReality56 said: The last episode's twist pissed a lot of people off and led to score bombing. There was a 3/10 review sitting at the at the "most helpful" spot after the episode, but it looks like they've deleted all the reviews that came out in response to the twist Mal review rules forbid preliminary reviews before at least 3 episodes have aired, any review made on the first or second episode of a show will be deleted, it has nothing to do with review bombing it's just a rule they've always had. Didn't even realize that rule was a thing tbh, either way a lot of people weren't happy with how episode 2 played out |
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| Too much information, they even managed to squeeze a teary flashback about that cute weird thing. I don't know, I kinda don't care what's this all about. Maybe I'll drop it for now and see how reviews will get once it ends. Oh, and Kaburagi is indeed voiced by the same VA as Leo from Arte. So many similar vibes. |
| The alternative is the show's writing, bring on the montages. Whether it's explaining that ranged attacks are super ineffective because they're just inherently weak (for some inexplicable reason) before then using exclusively ranged attacks, or telling us that the whole thing is being run by Buy n Large and Auto, or putting a sack on the monster-dog and all of a sudden nobody can tell it's a monster, the writing remains… well, horrific is probably the best description. That the super computers who can mind control the world can't deal with someone's heart momentarily stopping is the least of the "wait, what" moments of random things it declares throughout the episode. In any case, leaving all that aside, it was still a pretty weak episode. They did the montaging to make I-Still-Haven't-Learned-Her-Name-Yet halfway competent, then she declared her prosthetic arm was what was holding her back, but instead of getting a new one or proving it wrong, dropped that to give the backstory of the monster dog-worm. It was… the dude found a monster dog, and decided on a whim to keep it. So then after dropping all the original setup, we get yet more setup for next week. Putting a whole lot of eggs in one basket here, guys. Maybe focus better and finish the first main plot thread before moving onto the next, okay? |
| I wonder whethere the robots are really cyborgs with digital human personalities, or the shape of their world is a drug-induced matrix state with real humans hidden somewhere. It would be interesting if it's the former, and they can obtain bodies to experience proper life after it all hopefully ends anyway. They seem to have long lifespans as long as they insert oxyone too... But idk, it may be too much for the show, it'd be body horror, they also have to get new "robots" somewhere and I think we've seen a kid robot at least once (they can use the gathered bug chips to produce new robots after erasing their memory tho). The official version of their world structure also omits where the personalities of robots come from. It's unlikely they are purely AIs. They have shown other corporations. I wonder if cyborgs from those come to play. And also what's happening outside of the dome. The gadoll do seem to be another tool. I guess our next revelations will be about them with the whole team going down into the lair, and with the pet lost. I like how dense and ambitious the storytelling is. It was good to see that the MC couldn't ace it right from the start. The fact that she's injured so much in a sport that isn't designed for her body and with a trainer who's not familiar with the limitations of normal humans is concerning. As well as Kaburagi avoiding his "gatherer" duties so recklessly again. Is he intending to make a stand so soon? I like this sense of foreboding, hopefully the actual events will deliver. Natsume's being way too outgoing is a bit grating tbh, but okay, it's anime. And it was a bit hard seeing her fear among the men of the bottom of the fortress being used for comedy, but at least her feeling it is logical. Her sticking with Kaburagi can also be explained by her attachment to the deceased father. All in all she's sorta double female in her situation - she's a girl in a mostly male cleaner company, and the physical difference between artificial bodies and human bodies seems to be akin to human sex difference. Thankfully their style of battle is mostly about movement. RayReynolds said: but instead of getting a new one or proving it wrong They did both of the things in the ep tho. |
deadoptimistJul 22, 2020 3:40 PM
| Pretty interesting. The exposition backstory could have been told in a much more intriguing way, but it at least clears up some things. |
RayReynolds said: That the super computers who can mind control the world can't deal with someone's heart momentarily stopping is the least of the "wait, what" moments of random things it declares throughout the episode. It still makes infinitely more sense then what the machines in Matrix were doing or how pretty much every anime butchers Newton’s III law of mechanics (and I'm not talking about those who do it for comedic effect). deadoptimist said: The official version of their world structure also omits where the personalities of robots come from. No they don't, they explained how people threw their old bodies away in order to become cyborgs as a response to the environment becoming more and more inhospitable: Also, whatch this for more information on what the humans were doing here. |
The anime footage isn't exactly clear, tbh. It can also be seen as people trying to reach for the door for protection, but failing fruitlessly and being symbolically replaced with newer artificial life. The text also said something along the lines of "humans died, cyborgs were developed" without going in detail about how these two processes were connected. Which is no wonder, considering the stripping of freedoms that followed. They don't consider themselves human too - humans are called "endangered species" and advertised as something different in the game ad, and they start this very ideological video by saying that humans were stupid and they shouldn't repeat their mistakes, basically othering humans. So it's clear that they don't see their cyborg population as human atm. So there may be a lie maintained. That's one of the parts the story misses (or likely omits for now), actually - what's Kaburagi's opinion on his status compared to that of humans, and what other cyborgs think. He belongs to the company openly, humans live in blessful ignorance - but they do belong to it too, even more so. Their existence is harder, more grim, and they are much more short-lived and frail, compared to what he could potentially enjoy. He also sees the world differently - interface and all. At the start he does seem to look down on the MC, and his motivation initially revolves around avenging Mikey, for whose death he feels responsible. It's also curious how Hunin-Munin consider the "brainmass" valuable, not the body parts. I guess, bodies are cheap compared to the programmable part? It also glows like the green blood superliquid. Must be something special. |
| I have always been thinking that Kaburagi reminds me of another character from last season and I just realized that he has similar looks and personality to Leo form Arte. And guess what? It turned out they are voiced by the same actor. That said, I am still hella confused by the plot of this anime despite reading many comments and theories. Usually I am good at understanding complex plots but I can't seem to grasp what's going on here. |
| So I guess once the robots pick a human avatar, that person just doesn't exist any more? It looked like his avatar was in standby mode waiting for him to access it. |
| Well, this episode saved the series for me so far. It was way better than the previous. Still vague, but I hope it'll explain a lot o things better later. I'll keep following. The only thing that still bothers me is the desing of those teletubbies/bomberman cyborgs, it could be much better and "realistic". |
| I neither agree nor disagree, on the contrary. |
| I'm interested to find out what the gadoll really are. Pipe is kinda small and reminds me of a dog. It seems the gadoll are controlled in the game (as seen in the "tutorial") so I'm curious to what Pipe is. We also found out when and why Natsume "died". Does this mean she was controlled by a player before? and if so how is she still living and thinking now? I have a lot of questions about the game and am excited to see how the plot plays out. |
| after the trash that was episode 2, i was totally prepared to drop it during this episode but... since it barely focused on the mini robot bullshit, the episode was actually fun... if only the rest was like this... |
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| protect Pipe at all costs |
deadoptimist said: The text also said something along the lines of "humans died, cyborgs were developed" Which in combination with the picture tells you everything you need to know. There is not much room for interpretation here as the things coming out the factory are specificly stated to be cyborgs, not robots. Also, they never said that humans "died". Just that the number of "humans" dwindled to the point of near extinction as the number of cyborgs increased. deadoptimist said: They don't consider themselves human too Which is ultimately more of a labeling issue than anything else. One might as well call Natsume a cyborg as she technically is one. |
| That moment when you need a training montage to beat the tutorial monster. I liked it alot but can't wait to see next's week epsode, they are teasing me real good. deadoptimist said: I wonder whethere the robots are really cyborgs with digital human personalities, or the shape of their world is a drug-induced matrix state with real humans hidden somewhere. I belive that they really are cyborgs since it was what the presentation looked like and because we see Kaburagi flying in someplace that does looks like the the real world while in his original form during the opening, but I would like to be proven wrong since the matrix-state-like is cooler. Also, Pipe does look like a Pug, it isn't realistic that people would mistake him with a dog, but it still resemble. |
No-a-nimeJul 22, 2020 5:05 PM
| heh. |
Bob-o-Dominador said: I would like to be proven wrong since the matrix state like seems cooler. Sorry to disappoint you here but remember what Natsume's father found at the beginning of episode one? |
The othering is important though. It's obvious to us they are initially human, but I am not convinced they see it the same way, be it a matter of deceit or belief/hierarchy. Some of the motivations in this show have already been heavy handed. We'll see soon, I guess. Oh, right, I forgot about the body her dad found. Didn't like the first ep at that time, especially the sudden ""something not right in our world", so I didn't pay attention. |
deadoptimistJul 22, 2020 5:11 PM
Noumu said: Bob-o-Dominador said: I would like to be proven wrong since the matrix state like seems cooler. Sorry to disappoint you here but remember what Natsume's father found at the beginning of episode one? I forgot about the appearance of this thing, as I didn't know robots in the first watch it seemed to be just a random machine. I hope there is a reason to his body being on the continent insted of the ship tho. |
| heh. |
| This episode was really good, we had some explanations about what the heck is going on after that crazy episode 2 and some wholesome scenes alongside some pretty good action sequences. This anime is doing good until this point, it is incredible the amount of bullshit people talked about an anime with just 2 episodes last week |
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| @Noumu I have never taken Matrix as a good parameter of a good script. |
| pretty interesting episode. really liked the world building and the explanation of how to steer the devices they use to fight Gadolls. so now we know that the whole "extinction" of humans was caused by the human themselves on the year 2400 when they polluted the world. and these so called cyborgs where created by human beings also. well the origin of the Gadolls are still unclear. I hope they touch on that in the future. the animation and direction is really on point. I love the character designs and expressions they use to convey emotion (natsume's really cute ngl). not the mention the OP is bop too. I hope people will not sleep in this show because I'm liking it so far. |
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| Good guy Kaburagi, helping Natsume out with combat and giving her arm not only a massive upgrade, but also turining it into a fucking projectile laucher wow. Pipe and Natsume seem to be getting along really well together as well lol, her cute costume she made for pipe is amazing xD Given a little bit more insight into wtf actually happened to humanity and what world this is set in, pretty wild shit. Year 2400 and pollution scuffed us, cyborgs took over parts of the world, and this organisation called Solid Quake quite literally now owned humanity, building the deca-dense over the eurasian as a "entertainment facility". All choices are now operated under one independent system, and thank god it doesn't have this crazy mental algorithm that is always set to "eliminating bugs" and "to just be a complete ass hat dictator" am i right? right? cliffhanger was pretty fucking epic, natsume might her to spill some monster blood to defend pipe at all costs, but hay, she might be really fucking good at it. |
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| Natsume reminds me a lot of Akko but less annoying. Anyways, she's doing her best and I'm glad to see she got an upgraded arm. Typical "training" episode featuring a bit more exposition about the world (people causing their own ruin by acting careless, of course) and its population. So basically, the cartoonish characters are not aliens but cyborgs that were humans once and they all take part in a new society controlled by some sort of super computer. Pretty interesting world-building so far, not gonna lie. Still need to get used to the cyborgs' cute designs but compared to last episode, I find them less jarring now. |
| AnCap ftw saved humanity though they were the ones that brought about this whole situation. Something bugged me when they introduced the whole virtual world from last episode and i just realised it reminded me of Psycho-Pass where the system decides what is best for the people, in this case the people are the company's property. I dont think the writer would just end at 'capitalism bad'. Maybe the company actually have the good intentions of keeping humanity survive ala TTGL. Though probably not, because it was marketed as a game and technically the avatars are in no real danger. That brought up the question though why they are doing this in the first place? What does the company gain from creating this system. It cant be for money because does money even exist? Virtual credit could mean only so much. It could be for power or like I mentioned before, for the sake of humanity. Wonder how they will tackle this side of things. Also when the deca-dence fell into an underground tunnel, i thought it was an ambush by the underground people. Guess not, but im sure we will see them soon. Im feeling a major TTGL vibes especially in the last frame of the ending credits where two people are pointing to the sky. It might just be a coincidence. |
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| Training episode, sometimes needed, it was good, the animation in the real world truly shines. Well, that’s how the cyborgs got there, and for cyborgs, they used to be humans, who knows how they maintain a brain with the years. That arm made by Kaburagi is precious. So, Kaburagi informed Minato about the situation with Pipe, such an interesting relation. |
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| Another great episode, but not as good as last week's masterful one. We even got more answers this week, so that's cool. Natsume is such a fun character. |
Noumu said: _Dusty_ said: So... I was right last week. It is an anti-capitalist show. If anything it's "anti anarcho capitalist" but that's about it. _Dusty_ said: I think what the show was telling us was that, once humans started dying out, a load of robots were built to replace them and, over the centuries, humans were forced into this situation where they're the subject of the robots but they don't know it. Not really, once the earth became uninhabitable due to air pollution many people went to the corporations and exchanged their real body for an artificial one under the condition of them becoming company property. The world itself seems to be dominated by 6 megacorporations with Solid Quake being the self-proclaimed "market leader". As for the "tankers" it seems like Solid Quake at one point decided to buy of all the remaining regular humans and indoctrinated their children in order to create this "Deca-Dence" game. Also, while it's easy to assume that there are AGIs / ASIs we don't actually have confirmation about any existing ones as of right now. All the "robots" are essentially just uplifted humans. nightcrawlercyp said: if gadols are produced by the corp the purpose is population control i.e. to kill off excess population No, there would be no need for that. Their only purpose seems to be is getting slaughtered by the players for fun. Just for fun? Lots of real humans suffered and died due to the gadol attacks. Maybe is fun for the cyborg ex humans but not for the humans on the lower level that actually have to deal with it. That reminds someone asked why removing the limiter makes you stronger and why is forbidden. The reason it makes you stronger is because you can react faster to what is going on so you realize faster if you get hit or if the amount of damage of certain body parts. Why is forbidden upon pain of death/dismantle is because it causes the cyborgs to sympathize with normal humans and this can cause an uprising against the ones controlling the system. Is why they are so adamant that bugs (free humans) be eliminated because if they are enough of them they can start a resistance movement. |
| It's ok so far. I will keep watching it, currently its a solid watch compared to the rest of the seasonal anime. Not completly immersed quiite yet in the plot and characters though. But noenthelss, it may change as the series progress. Have enjoyed the cliff-hanger esque endings though. |
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| After last week's twist-heavy episode, this episode felt more down-to-earth with Natsume doing her best her learn how to fight against the Gadoll. She did struggle at first and her clumsiness did show a few times, which did make for some funny scenes when she kept getting hit or kept making silly mistakes. Either way, it was still nice of Kaburagi to go out of his way to help her learn. Not only that, but he also took her to a parts shop so that he could upgrade her prosthetic arm that also doubles as a weapon to make it easier for her to fight. We also got another backstory drop, which showed how humans were driven near to extinction because of the huge increase of air pollution that made living normally virtually impossible. Because of that, most of them went to corporations to become a cyborg under the main condition of becoming that company's property. The episode ended on a tense note when Deca-Dence itself caved into the ground, with a lot of Gadoll enemies waiting underground for their attack. I do hope that Kaburagi can save his pet, Pipe, in time. I already have a soft spot for the little one, so I don't want to see it get killed so early on in the series. =( |
| Nothing like a good ol training montage, I really enjoyed that episode and Natsume is a really great character. The plot continues to thiccen, so they're cyborgs huh, interesting. Looking forward for more, a show that's definitely not being talked about enough this season. |
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| You know what? I am completely interested and on board with the show Deca-Dence, you have my full attention |
| May our sweet and Merciful Madoka be with you |
| Natsume encountered a near death experience and her chip malfunctioned that's why she was considered a bug. Pipe was also considered a bug, I guess Pipe may have some form of extraordinary powers. lol Deca-Dense is being controlled by a corporation, taking advantage of the pollution. I guess there are other parts of the world that are still habitable. Therefore, I guess Natsume's dad is still alive.  |
Ao_SkyJul 23, 2020 5:21 AM
| This show would have been so much better if there wasn't any of those "avatar" stuff, it's so out of place and unnecessary |
| The CG in some parts looked bad but other than that the plot and animation are really good in the show till now. Also, am I the only one who thinks the character design on the robots looks a bit kiddish, I mean it doesn't bother me much but it just feels weird that those kind of objects are controlling the humans. |
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