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Aug 29, 2015 1:17 PM

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Working_Designs said:
SD_CV said:
banned = banned
don't want to lose the ability to update your list ?
=> don't do stuff that gets you banned


I've never been banned, but here's the thing, not everyone that gets banned tries to.

Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned.

I don't think you should be barred from updating your list just because you got into a heated argument with one individual.
Ignoring the fact that there are warnings and strikes and it takes like 2 or 3 to be banned even for a couple of days.
Aug 29, 2015 1:21 PM

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DmonHiro said:
PS: I have no idea where you live, but in most of the civilized world, punching someone is considered assault, your you get arrested for it if the victim presses charges. Fair enough, you don't automatically go to jail, but you could.

The penalty also differs. Everyone doesn't get sent to the jail for every crime.
Having different levels of penalty will give better instruments for staff to punish users based on the severity of their offence. Mods themselves have said that they often hesitate to ban violator and let him get away with just a warning, because site-wide ban is just too severe. Having two levels of ban will allow more users to be banned, which will educate more people. Think about it a little
Aug 29, 2015 1:23 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
Working_Designs said:


I've never been banned, but here's the thing, not everyone that gets banned tries to.

Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned.

I don't think you should be barred from updating your list just because you got into a heated argument with one individual.
Ignoring the fact that there are warnings and strikes and it takes like 2 or 3 to be banned even for a couple of days.


I still think that you should be able to keep your list updated.

You get banned for interacting with the community, so the only place that should be barred to a banned person is the ability to interact in the forums.

Aug 29, 2015 1:35 PM

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If you're banned for breaking forum rules then you should only be banned from posting on the forum.
Aug 29, 2015 4:28 PM
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Forum is forum. List is list. If you're banned from the forum then just make it so you can't post anymore. That alone is enough punishment when most people who use the forums are addicted/regulars to it anyway.

You have my support OP.
Jan 20, 2019 3:10 PM

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Why wasnt this implimented yet? I was told something like this was being worked on. It really would stop some people making alt accounts.
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Jan 20, 2019 3:14 PM

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Because this has been waived since before 2015.
Jan 20, 2019 3:17 PM

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Serhiyko said:
In fact you can still update your list while banned by using API, i.e. apps

IntroverTurtle said:
It's quite easy to keep track on notepad until you're unbanned, easier than making a new account and adding the correct anime and then going through it once unbanned to make sure it's mirrored.

You can just export/import, what's difficult about that?

Not everyone has a Backup downloaded at all times. If they wanted to import their stuff to a new Account because of a ban they would need to add everything to said account since they would be unable to get the file you get when you export your list.



愛がなければ、見えない。
Without Love, the truth cannot be seen.
Jan 20, 2019 3:50 PM

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EratiK said:
Because this has been waived since before 2015.

No i was told by a moderator at some point it was being looked into.
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Jan 20, 2019 4:59 PM

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Afloo said:
Serhiyko said:
In fact you can still update your list while banned by using API, i.e. apps


You can just export/import, what's difficult about that?

Not everyone has a Backup downloaded at all times. If they wanted to import their stuff to a new Account because of a ban they would need to add everything to said account since they would be unable to get the file you get when you export your list.

It used to be possible to retrieve your (or anyone's) list using old API even while banned, not any more though
Jan 20, 2019 6:16 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:

Ignoring the fact that there are warnings and strikes and it takes like 2 or 3 to be banned even for a couple of days.

some bans are automated...
like i linked a random image from google images and it banned me for it
Jan 20, 2019 8:57 PM
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traed said:
Why wasnt this implimented yet? I was told something like this was being worked on. It really would stop some people making alt accounts.


DeNA stop adding features for the site for like 2 years now i think

hopefully the new owners will implement more features like this suggestion

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deg said:
traed said:
Why wasnt this implimented yet? I was told something like this was being worked on. It really would stop some people making alt accounts.


DeNA stop adding features for the site for like 2 years now i think

hopefully the new owners will implement more features like this suggestion



Yes that's why I bumped a few of my past suggestions.
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Don't get banned in the first place. It's all your fault. So stop asking for privileges, when you break the rules. Following the rules isn't even difficult, to begin with. I disagree with this suggestion.
Jan 21, 2019 8:15 PM

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KatsutoSaki said:
Don't get banned in the first place. It's all your fault. So stop asking for privileges, when you break the rules. Following the rules isn't even difficult, to begin with. I disagree with this suggestion.

I've never neen banned that wasn't reversed.
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Jan 22, 2019 6:57 AM

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KatsutoSaki said:
Don't get banned in the first place.

I think you missed a 4Head emote there.

OT: MAL a.k.a. MyAnimeList mainly focused on listing. Forum rules only apply on forums since the logic dictates that. There is no reason to lock the account if the user is banned.
Jan 25, 2019 4:57 PM
Unless it's a violation of the rules by moderators, never. Please, just follow the rules and you will have no trouble.

Banning users from update their lists is good if you are banned from forums. The rules must be respected. Partial bans don't make any sense.
ToumaTachibanaJan 25, 2019 5:01 PM
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Nurguburu said:
Unless it's a violation of the rules by moderators, never. Please, just follow the rules and you will have no trouble.

Banning users from update their lists is good if you are banned from forums. The rules must be respected. Partial bans don't make any sense.

I already stated I never been banned

But they just make alt accounts which encourages them to post in the forums with those accounts and as long as they didn't try to hack the site or just were spam bots and aren't on a severe ban there really is no reason to ban them from every function of the site. As I already said I was told this was being looked into how to do this.
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Aug 4, 2021 10:06 PM

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Why hasnt a fine tuned ban of certain site functions been implimented yet? This would cut down on moderator work by discouraging alt account making and preventing some vengeful users from causing problems. A few tunable possabilities to consider

- banning users on specific boards (may be too specific)
- banning users from posting in forums
- banning users from posting reviews (for those who troll)
- removing specific users ratings from being included in rankings
- banning users from posting on profiles and messages (but allowing them to read their messages in their inbox and outbox)
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Aug 23, 2021 11:26 PM

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If a mod bans a user he/she is prohibited from using the entire MAL which is utterly ridiculous. We all have the right to at least update and track the list. Just because we behaved badly in the forums we aren't allowed to track at all? The banned users shouldn't be allowed to use forums but they all have the right to track their anime.
I know many will say the users who have a high risk of getting banned should behave properly but that's just a poor excuse to not modernize the site.
The site even though being the most popular anime tracking site in the web, is still outdated and needs to be fixed asap.
I know the suggestion boards is useless but I'm still leaving it here just in case.

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Aug 24, 2021 1:21 AM

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Yeah, this should be implemented.
Also, the countdown till unban. We cannot wait for the Moderator on IRC everytime only to get info on ban duration.
Aug 24, 2021 1:59 AM
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I agree. This website is very outdated.
Aug 24, 2021 7:23 AM
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Exactly a coutdown for when your ban is removed and a auto ban removal system and also just leave the ban at the forum.


Aug 24, 2021 7:28 AM

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Crow_Black said:
Exactly a coutdown for when your ban is removed and a auto ban removal system and also just leave the ban at the forum.

mr_modest said:
Yeah, this should be implemented.
Also, the countdown till unban. We cannot wait for the Moderator on IRC everytime only to get info on ban duration.

Yeah, some users who get ban aren't aware of the IRC chat at all and they also don't know how to contact a mod so they have no choice but to use alt acc to ask when does their ban ends even though it's against the rules.

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@Scordolo

Its so outdated to use the rizon irc as your going to be in purgatory for quite a while.

Also the forums should remove rules 7,5 and the 30 character limit.

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I do understand where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that I fully agree. I think it would work better if there were some sort of "tier system", for lack of a better term.

For example, if someone commits a minor offense (eg. breaking the 30 character limit), then they could be banned from the forums, but would still be allowed to update their profile and talk to other users through profile comments or private messages.

But if someone commits a more serious offense (such as being discriminatory or constantly harassing another user for no reason), then they should have their entire account removed and their email blacklisted from the site to prevent them from ever coming back. I genuinely couldn't care less if people like that suddenly lost track of all their anime progress.

vv Yeah, it's definitely not a foolproof idea. I'm aware that, for example, someone could easily just set up a new email address. :\
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And also, regarding the IP ban thing, what if there's someone at home who also uses MAL? Assuming Person A does shit and gets IP banned, does that mean Person B who is uninformed also gets banned?

And another thing, see I've been banned myself twice, but both were accidents. The first time the bot accused me of posting something I didn't do. Even the mod at the IRC chat could not prove to me that I posted something when I asked him to look it up, so I was unbanned. And the second, because I was accused of committing spam when I was only pointing to someone's club. I heard the fifth's the perma so although I obviously won't be doing shit as I've had this account for almost a decade now, it makes me uneasy knowing that shit like that can happen and I'd appreciate some answers
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Kuroni_Kuru said:
I do understand where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that I fully agree. I think it would work better if there were some sort of "tier system", for lack of a better term.

For example, if someone commits a minor offense (eg. breaking the 30 character limit), then they could be banned from the forums, but would still be allowed to update their profile and talk to other users through profile comments or private messages.

But if someone commits a more serious offense (such as being discriminatory or constantly harassing another user for no reason), then they should have their entire account removed and their email blacklisted from the site to prevent them from ever coming back. I genuinely couldn't care less if people like that suddenly lost track of all their anime progress.


That is not going to work at all and honestly they should remove such things like the 30 character limit and people could get bypass through those other things you mentioned as well.

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Throwing in my two cents. There are a couple of forums I've been to that take a piecemeal approach to this sort of thing, and generally the ban system goes something like this (on all of the forums I've been to, anyway):

  1. Area-specific bans. For example, a moderator could ban a user from the forums only but still let them use the site, or ban them from personal messages while letting them use the forums. The point is that you don't instantly cut off all access in one fell swoop unless the person really deserves it.
  2. Read-only mode. Basically, if you're permabanned from the site, you can't interact with anything or make any forum posts, but you can still read the site. Even when you were IP banned, you'd still be able to read the site.
  3. Subforum and thread-specific bans. I know XenForo has this as a core addon. Essentially, if someone was behaving like a dick in one of the subforums but was fine in the other ones, you'd just ban them from that one forum. Ditto for thread bans, where you'd just ban them from that one thread if they kept on trolling it.


Also, IRC is dead in 2021.

Also also, please stick the ban timer on the page. Every forum I've been to, be it vBulletin or XenForo, has had the unban duration being displayed, i.e.

"You have been banned for the following reason: Are you high? This isn't the place to chat.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

and going on IRC to figure out how long it would take? *shudders*
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I already suggested this but with more detail on how that could function and with even more ban types like @Rubroculi said
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1422293&show=0

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But if someone commits a more serious offense (such as being discriminatory or constantly harassing another user for no reason), then they should have their entire account removed and their email blacklisted from the site to prevent them from ever coming back. I genuinely couldn't care less if people like that suddenly lost track of all their anime progress.

That would be really stupid. It would erase their identity tied to their forum posts so people cant see how they were. Also discrimination? What is that even supposed to entail? That's one of the dumbest parts is you included something so vague as being worthy of the highest offense. Literally no site deletes accounts as a ban that's for a reason.
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Kuroni_Kuru said:

But if someone commits a more serious offense (such as being discriminatory or constantly harassing another user for no reason), then they should have their entire account removed and their email blacklisted from the site to prevent them from ever coming back.


Quite a few questions here.

First off, what do you consider to be harassing/discriminatory behavior?

Second, deleting accounts would completely break the flow of conversations. Why not just permanently ban them (which is what happens now) rather than delete their account?
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First off, what do you consider to be harassing/discriminatory behavior?

Insulting someone based on their age, race, gender, sex, sexuality, that sort of thing.

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Second, deleting accounts would completely break the flow of conversations. Why not just permanently ban them (which is what happens now) rather than delete their account?

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, but the mods can and often do remove posts that contain discrimination/harassment anyway, so I don't really see how my suggestion ruins the conversation any more than the rules that are already in place. It just serves to prevent potential rule-breakers from making repeat offenses, if that makes sense?

Despite the fact that the MAL community as a whole is pretty nice and polite, I have seen several discriminatory comments slip through the cracks, and I'd really like to see them disappear completely. Perhaps my suggestion might be viewed as being a bit too drastic, but to each their own. :P
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If a mod bans a user he/she is prohibited from using the entire MAL which is utterly ridiculous. We all have the right to at least update and track the list. Just because we behaved badly in the forums we aren't allowed to track at all?
Agreed, pretty ridiculous that being banned for forum misbehavior bans you from the whole site and all of its features, and not just the forums. I'd think anyone would naturally assume that a ban for the forums should just give you a ban for the forums.
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The better solution is to not get banned. I know it sounds ridiculous and unenlightened, but if you behave normally and respect the guideline you won't have to face such problems and thus here is the solution to your problem.
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The better solution is to not get banned. I know it sounds ridiculous and unenlightened, but if you behave normally and respect the guideline you won't have to face such problems and thus here is the solution to your problem.

If it was that easy, Just a few seconds ago I got my second accusation of spam and thus was warned yet again for participating in the mood of the thread

I swear, some of them take delight in pressing the ban button. I just know it :P
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Hrybami said:
The better solution is to not get banned. I know it sounds ridiculous and unenlightened, but if you behave normally and respect the guideline you won't have to face such problems and thus here is the solution to your problem.


No one really wants to be banned, especially if they're just having a conversation. The age-old example is two people having a debate that then spills over into personal attacks. You could argue that if they wanted not to be banned, they should have stopped, but that's not always how it works.

Sometimes, people lose their temper and forget to step away from the keyboard.
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They should fix the 30 char limit ban rule. Some users like me who get accused by the mods because of that but unintentionally. But many users are not banned, even they broke that rule. MAL site is so broken.



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They should fix the 30 char limit ban rule. Some users like me who get accused by the mods because of that but unintentionally. But many users are not banned, even they broke that rule. MAL site is so broken.


As a new user, the 30 character ban limit is rather weird to comprehend. Does it mean that if you make a forum post with less than 30 characters, you get banned for it (depending on whether or not a mod notices, of course) or is there something else that I'm missing in my analysis?
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As a new user, the 30 character ban limit is rather weird to comprehend. Does it mean that if you make a forum post with less than 30 characters, you get banned for it (depending on whether or not a mod notices, of course) or is there something else that I'm missing in my analysis?
It's referencing spamming (e.g., strings of text) or typing random things in order to bypass the 30 character minimum. Try and post less than 5 characters here and you'll receive a prompt preventing you from posting, as well as a warning. It's categorized in the guidelines here as spam.
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It's referencing spamming (e.g., strings of text) or typing random things in order to bypass the 30 character minimum.


Ah, I get it. That makes a bit more sense now.
With that being said, I do find it a little awkward (if you see my post) to type anything extra beyond 30 characters when I don't need to.

It's mostly because this post could have simply been "I get it" had it not been for the character limit.

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Ah, I get it. That makes a bit more sense now.
With that being said, I do find it a little awkward (if you see my post) to type anything extra beyond 30 characters when I don't need to.

It's mostly because this post could have simply been "I get it" had it not been for the character limit.
I believe the current limit exists because users would come to popular boards like AD and CD and leave short one-word replies. The problem with that is it's useless input that doesn't engage in any meaningful discussion, especially for boards with "discussion" in the name.
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Hrybami said:
The better solution is to not get banned. I know it sounds ridiculous and unenlightened, but if you behave normally and respect the guideline you won't have to face such problems and thus here is the solution to your problem.


No one really wants to be banned, especially if they're just having a conversation. The age-old example is two people having a debate that then spills over into personal attacks. You could argue that if they wanted not to be banned, they should have stopped, but that's not always how it works.

Sometimes, people lose their temper and forget to step away from the keyboard.


It's their fault and they deserve to get banned I've been through this as well. Avoiding personal attack is not impossible. I used to call people dumb before when they say extremely idiotic things until I got banned for 3 days and now I never reply when the discussion goes into personal attack.
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Hrybami said:
The better solution is to not get banned. I know it sounds ridiculous and unenlightened, but if you behave normally and respect the guideline you won't have to face such problems and thus here is the solution to your problem.

If it was that easy, Just a few seconds ago I got my second accusation of spam and thus was warned yet again for participating in the mood of the thread

I swear, some of them take delight in pressing the ban button. I just know it :P


Idk, I rarely ever get warning anymore even though a lot of people seem to think I'm super toxic or something. It really depend on how you write and express yourself.
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3miL said:

If it was that easy, Just a few seconds ago I got my second accusation of spam and thus was warned yet again for participating in the mood of the thread

I swear, some of them take delight in pressing the ban button. I just know it :P


Idk, I rarely ever get warning anymore even though a lot of people seem to think I'm super toxic or something. It really depend on how you write and express yourself.

A lot of people are annoyed by you because you constantly trash on HxH lmao. Tho I never cared about you trashing on HxH

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Hrybami said:


Idk, I rarely ever get warning anymore even though a lot of people seem to think I'm super toxic or something. It really depend on how you write and express yourself.

A lot of people are annoyed by you because you constantly trash on HxH lmao. Tho I never cared about you trashing on HxH


Yeah and I always see the same people trashing the anime I like and I never called them out for that. Double standard much?
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Hrybami said:
The better solution is to not get banned. I know it sounds ridiculous and unenlightened, but if you behave normally and respect the guideline you won't have to face such problems and thus here is the solution to your problem.


Some people even get banned intentionally, which I think is pretty stupid.
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Hrybami said:


Idk, I rarely ever get warning anymore even though a lot of people seem to think I'm super toxic or something. It really depend on how you write and express yourself.

A lot of people are annoyed by you because you constantly trash on HxH lmao. Tho I never cared about you trashing on HxH


Eh. People trash on other shounen anime to make it look good. So why not? (This isn't directed towards you btw)
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Hrybami said:
3miL said:

If it was that easy, Just a few seconds ago I got my second accusation of spam and thus was warned yet again for participating in the mood of the thread

I swear, some of them take delight in pressing the ban button. I just know it :P


Idk, I rarely ever get warning anymore even though a lot of people seem to think I'm super toxic or something. It really depend on how you write and express yourself.

I don't even shit on people's tastes despite having disagreements here and there

The 1st one was just me using arrows to point to a person's club and THAT was already spam

the second, which just happened yesterday was because I was using a gif and a hidden message (which was totally relevant to the conversation) in white text (with which, might I add can be totally seen in dark mode) and the dum mfr INSISTED that it's still spam.

Sure, redefine terms, I know that makes you guys feel good inside. Rotten assholes

They're essentially calling out people they don't like to stop socializing, ffs.

and on top of that, no person in charge is seriously addressing this which to me proves my point further
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if someone commits a more serious offense (such as being discriminatory or constantly harassing another user for no reason), then they should have their entire account removed and their email blacklisted from the site to prevent them from ever coming back. I genuinely couldn't care less if people like that suddenly lost track of all their anime progress.

Just quoting this to say that I absolutely agree
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