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Chargecoulomb said: Everyone learning from their previous experiences in the other arcs wasn't a bad thing. I mean, Satoko's problem in example ruined my Minagoroshi experience, I hope I don't bump to that CWS ever again. I wish I had fast forwarded that part. It's 3 or 4 chapters of pure bureaucracy bullshit. Minagoroshi is in par with the greatest arcs if that part is simply erased from memory, it kills the pacing completely. The problem is that Satoko's traps are probably essential for a victory, otherwise she could be dissected in the 2nd year for all I care. I hate her personality that much. And considering Lambda relation to Takano being a red herring, that's probably why I grew an instant dislike about her. I really doubt I'll change my mind even when I complete Umineko. I find both their personalities bratty. It's kind of a joke, but Keiichi mentions she's a classic tsundere. That can also be the reason I dislike her, and not because I find children annoying.07th mods finishing up Miotsukushi and it will be available soon. You should read through it. This is why Miotsukishi exists. As it is a combination kakera like Matsuri problems from all those worlds are present, so they have to be solved too. Takano is much more cunning than in the other arcs. Killing certain people to throw suspicion on others and impeding Rika and Keichii. Ties up Keichiis personality well too. Keichii and Rika use their memories from past worlds to prevent their events. Putting everything in a nice bundle. The single problem with Mio is that it skips over Takanos backstory, but it does assume that you already played Matsuri. Kizuna version of it throws a curveball by Having Rika be pocessed by Hanyuu. Although with her melancholic personality in the past she was a badass so it makes sense for her to directly fight when shes serious. Her taking a bullet for Takano ties up their little arc better than how Matsuri did it. (Although its shown that she doesnt die) Ends with a nice epilogue. |
rafaelfserafimFeb 16, 2021 4:34 AM
| Well well well, you shouldn't force yourself if you didn't like it.... Rika is wrong forcing her dream with Satoko, and Satoko is also wrong afraid to said no to Rika, when she clearly didn't like study.... Going to St.Lucia together is a mistake... Once again Higurashi main problem is Communication.... |
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rafaelfserafim said: hate her personality that much. And considering Lambda relation to Takano being a red herring, that's probably why I grew an instant dislike about her. I really doubt I'll change my mind even when I complete Umineko. I find both their personalities bratty. It's kind of a joke, but Keiichi mentions she's a classic tsundere. That can also be the reason I dislike her, and not because I find children annoying. All Lambda has is her arrogant demeanor. Other than that she is nothing like Satoko. Well now, thanks to Gou making Satoko just a yandere lesbian for Rika, they share another thing(and love/hate partner). And her whole deal as a witch is that she rewards hard workers, something Satoko very clearly isnt, or at least cant keep being one for her own good. When compared to Rika and Bern, I would say Satoko and Lambda have even less in common. Also, what Ep are you in Umineko? |
| Calling Lambda bratty. Berns more of a brat than Lambda personality wise.. I doubt anybody will come out of Umineko hating Lambda. Super paper is way better character than you could wrongly summarise as a brat. I could have gleamed it wrong, but Lambda is dedicated to the pieces she chooses. Unlike Bern. It's not like her to abandon them. I didn't think about that last part. Takano worked her entire life to get where she is, Satoko looses motivation after a few months. |
ChargecoulombFeb 16, 2021 9:25 AM
Chargecoulomb said: I could have gleamed it wrong, but Lambda is dedicated to the pieces she chooses. Unlike Bern. It's not like her to abandon them. I didn't think about that last part. Takano worked her entire life to get where she is, Satoko looses motivation after a few months. |
ssjokg said: So it's their arrogance that annoys me, well, arrogance annoys me irl so... I knew they had something in common that annoy me, but I failed to pick up the right word.rafaelfserafim said: hate her personality that much. And considering Lambda relation to Takano being a red herring, that's probably why I grew an instant dislike about her. I really doubt I'll change my mind even when I complete Umineko. I find both their personalities bratty. It's kind of a joke, but Keiichi mentions she's a classic tsundere. That can also be the reason I dislike her, and not because I find children annoying. All Lambda has is her arrogant demeanor. Other than that she is nothing like Satoko. Well now, thanks to Gou making Satoko just a yandere lesbian for Rika, they share another thing(and love/hate partner). And her whole deal as a witch is that she rewards hard workers, something Satoko very clearly isnt, or at least cant keep being one for her own good. When compared to Rika and Bern, I would say Satoko and Lambda have even less in common. Also, what Ep are you in Umineko? In fact, I didn't start Umineko's VN yet. I'm into Higurashi console arcs, but sparing very little time. If I had this little time back then, I wouldn't have finished the question arcs. But I hope I have more time to dedicate on the future, because otherwise there's no chance I'll ever finish Umineko 'bible' when I start. Anyways, what I did was watch that anime back when I watched higurashi, because I fell into the "it can't really be that bad" trap. Then I took a peek at two scenes of ep 5 and 7 out of curiosity back then, realized the big abyss between anime/VN quality, and retreated. Needless to say that I'll read from the beginning. Other than that, all I know is the character relation between higurashi and umineko. Know about a character's existence isn't kind of a spoiler to me, at least the ones know - Umineko seems to have a gigantic cast. I didn't delve enough to actually line-up context on what I've seen. It only made me like some characters before being introduced to them. The things I think I know the answer are based on that anime lol. One lesson I learned back when I watched Higu anime is that the answer was right under your nose all the time. It doesn't look like everything is solvable with the question arcs only, but I believe that's because of bad adaptation. I didn't tryhard though, just the obvious. Now, people say that having watched that anime makes the question arcs look really long, but I tend to forget a lot of things when time passes, so I hope it won't ruin my Umineko question arcs experience. Higurashi's VN reading was very refreshing, even already knowing the story. Having watched Higurashi's anime only ruined Watanagashi to me, and, obviously, the first time experience - which would be a blast for Tatarigoroshi, because even with previous knowledge that arc is a trainwreck. But that was because Meakashi explained Watanagashi hand-to-hand, and had almost identical outcomes. The only differences I remember are how Keiichi meets Shion and what happens to Rika (which is only actually told in Minagoroshi's prologue). The thing about Minagoroshi is that the CWS takes too long in the VN, and kind of ruins the pacing. By the time the story progresses, you're exausted from that stall. Needless to say that increased my dislike towards Satoko. But every story has moments where it feels like forever. |
rafaelfserafim said: ssjokg said: So it's their arrogance that annoys me, well, arrogance annoys me irl so... I knew they had something in common that annoy me, but I failed to pick up the right word.All Lambda has is her arrogant demeanor. Other than that she is nothing like Satoko. Well now, thanks to Gou making Satoko just a yandere lesbian for Rika, they share another thing(and love/hate partner). And her whole deal as a witch is that she rewards hard workers, something Satoko very clearly isnt, or at least cant keep being one for her own good. When compared to Rika and Bern, I would say Satoko and Lambda have even less in common. Also, what Ep are you in Umineko? . Well I dont have a problem with characters that have every right to be arrogant. Umineko Witches are some of those. Do the question arcs give enough clues? I can tell you that the EP1 gives you all the info you need in the first 3-2 hours, before even a murder occurs. Rereading it makes Higurashi pale in comparison with how "in your face" the whole thing was.I am talking about the main mystery, not every EP focused mystery. And yeah, I watched Umineko when it was airing and just couldnt be arsed to read the question arcs. I jumped straight into the answer arcs but even tho I was missing lots of info the anime still made lean to the main solution....well it was the only way for a certain death to have "happened". I read them while I was waiting for Eps 7 nd 8 to be translated so it was fine I guess. |
ssjokg said: I'm relieved to know that not all is lost lol. Even if I don't remember things properly, there are some things that are ridiculously obvious. rafaelfserafim said: So it's their arrogance that annoys me, well, arrogance annoys me irl so... I knew they had something in common that annoy me, but I failed to pick up the right word. . Well I dont have a problem with characters that have every right to be arrogant. Umineko Witches are some of those. Do the question arcs give enough clues? I can tell you that the EP1 gives you all the info you need in the first 3-2 hours, before even a murder occurs. Rereading it makes Higurashi pale in comparison with how "in your face" the whole thing was.I am talking about the main mystery, not every EP focused mystery. And yeah, I watched Umineko when it was airing and just couldnt be arsed to read the question arcs. I jumped straight into the answer arcs but even tho I was missing lots of info the anime still made lean to the main solution....well it was the only way for a certain death to have "happened". I read them while I was waiting for Eps 7 nd 8 to be translated so it was fine I guess. I don't remember Higurashi anime being far too obvious as its VN, but maybe it was because Higurashi itself actually got me sharper for being fooled, as I didn't actually try to solve the mystery. The VN though, I can imagine people solving the mystery back in Tatarigoroshi release. She makes too much of a fuss to explain a trivial situation, which isn't as obvious in the anime. And after that, she brainwashes Keiichi in a form that it's almost a mantra emanating to the reader "I am the culprit. I am the culprit. I am the culprit." |
ssjokg said: And her whole deal as a witch is that she rewards hard workers, something Satoko very clearly isnt, or at least cant keep being one for her own good. The issue with Satoko is lack of motivation for the school. She did have that line before the results where she outright disregarded Rika's suggestion of shrine charms, calling them useless, and said everything should be fine due to their effort. |
Jin_uzuki said: NeonDZ said: The going to St.Lucia part is new, but Rika is someone who naturally talks in a formal way, can be cynical and enjoys poems. Her basic personality is just very different from the seemingly genuine childish mask she keeps in Hinamizawa, and it's not surprising that could lead to problems at some point, due to her own close friends not really knowing her. Even though the St.Lucia stuff is new, I don't think it's odd she enjoys a place where she gets positive attention for talking about dices of fate for example. It's the kind of thing you see in her monologues, and now she can just throw it out there. And obviously overall behaving in a polite formal way is no issue either, since her mask was the childish side. But all that comes out of nowhere for Satoko. Uh, I can actually agree with your argument there. But I feel her disdain of Hinamizawa really doesn't fit her previous character. Lke I get why she'd want to move and see more things, but I don't agree she would ever refer to it as a "Hick town", even at her worst she always seemed to love Hinamizawa and fit in, and the club games were one of the few things that brought her joy. A century of torture really does a number on you huh? I think that somewhere down the line, her idyllic moments in Hinamizawa and the club games she had enjoyed (that she probably could recite verbatim through sheer repetition by that point) became a sort of coping mechanism she tricked herself into believing is still fun, since the alternative was being disemboweled while alive. In a hopeless situation like hers, the mind needs something to hold onto in order to keep struggling, else the result is something akin to ego death, hints of which were present at the start of Minagoroshi imo. So once she finally is granted other options and is allowed to live post-1983, maybe she can now afford to be more honest with herself, and the drive necessary for her survival which was born out of desperation can now be dispelled. Not to say I think she hates her friends now or anything; but as for the village, I cannot imagine anyone who has been through all that still wishing to have anything to do with there lmao. It's a wonder she isn't severely traumatized and the mere mention of the place doesn't trigger some form of PTSD honestly. OT: This episode made me realize all I want was simply a post-Saikoroshi SoL without any blood or guts; let this girl have some peace already. A wholesome show with moderate amounts of drama—and possibly GL elements ahem ahem—would be infinitely better than... whatever this is supposed to be. All the loose ends were already tied by Saikoroshi, hell by Matsuribayashi even! Anything other than cute fluff is beating a dead horse. What'll happen next ep is that Satoko'll inevitably plunge us all back to 1983 for a petty reason and I'll come away frustrated that they shat over Satoko's whole character arc. |
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Auron_ said: OT: This episode made me realize all I want was simply a post-Saikoroshi SoL without any blood or guts; let this girl have some peace already. A wholesome show with moderate amounts of drama—and possibly GL elements ahem ahem—would be infinitely better than... whatever this is supposed to be. All the loose ends were already tied by Saikoroshi, hell by Matsuribayashi even! Anything other than cute fluff is beating a dead horse. Did you watch Higurashi Kira? That was a sol fever dream. Watching that straight after Kai was some amazing whiplash. Still I got more enjoyment out of it than Gou so far. |
ChargecoulombFeb 16, 2021 8:17 PM
Chargecoulomb said: Man Kira (and Rei's funny eps) were friggin great!Auron_ said: OT: This episode made me realize all I want was simply a post-Saikoroshi SoL without any blood or guts; let this girl have some peace already. A wholesome show with moderate amounts of drama—and possibly GL elements ahem ahem—would be infinitely better than... whatever this is supposed to be. All the loose ends were already tied by Saikoroshi, hell by Matsuribayashi even! Anything other than cute fluff is beating a dead horse. Did you watch Higurashi Kira? That was a sol fever dream. Watching that straight after Kai was some amazing whiplash. Still I got more enjoyment out of it than Gou so far. I don't get where they all the hate from. Soul Brothers forever |
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Hulio said: Chargecoulomb said: Man Kira (and Rei's funny eps) were friggin great!Did you watch Higurashi Kira? That was a sol fever dream. Watching that straight after Kai was some amazing whiplash. Still I got more enjoyment out of it than Gou so far. I don't get where they all the hate from. Soul Brothers forever Rei's were good. Kira makes me more uncomfortable than Fate/Kaleid's ovas. NeonDZ said: ssjokg said: And her whole deal as a witch is that she rewards hard workers, something Satoko very clearly isnt, or at least cant keep being one for her own good. The issue with Satoko is lack of motivation for the school. She did have that line before the results where she outright disregarded Rika's suggestion of shrine charms, calling them useless, and said everything should be fine due to their effort. And yet she put no effort after being accepted. I dont know if a moment of her being right in some "facts" is enough to disregard her behavior after enrolling. I was barely an average student myself but at least I know that I should be studying or at the bare minimum pay attention in class. Compared to Takano, her effort is nothing. |
But the more i think about it, the less I want Satoko and Lambda to be connected. I think I'd be alright if Satoko is just a piece of Lambda's, but if Lambda originates from Satoko I think i'd be disappointed. |
Hulio said: Chargecoulomb said: Man Kira (and Rei's funny eps) were friggin great!Did you watch Higurashi Kira? That was a sol fever dream. Watching that straight after Kai was some amazing whiplash. Still I got more enjoyment out of it than Gou so far. I don't get where they all the hate from. Soul Brothers forever I've read the Hajisarashi and Batsukoishi arcs in full, which were okay. But I didn't mean SoL in the sense of "party all day nothing matters!" kind of spastic fun, but something more serious and bittersweet. Like the club members growing up and graduating, with all the issues and complications that entail. Something like a highschool drama I suppose. This arc would actually be close to my wish if only I didn't know what's gonna happen right after. I've no idea how they'll justify Satoko's actions without making her despicable, especially given that her syndrome's cured as well. The rate this is going, Gou will pretty much be "Satoko character assassination and gorefest the anime" |
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Satoko was in a permanent L3 state, when Irie says that she's cured he's probably talking about her L3 symptoms. Not HS itself. As long as the parasite exists she should still be able to become L5. If they had a surefire cure for HS they would have used it on Satoshi, unless he's dead. PS2 Mio port and translation has been released. It's the perfect time to re read it. |
ChargecoulombFeb 17, 2021 9:29 AM
| I am absolutely ready for Satoko to bust out Pumped Up Kicks on these children if that's where this is leading to |
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| Wow both Satoko and Rika grew up and are attending the same school but damn Satoko can't keep up. Is she gonna get bullied now? That'll lead to revenge and more gore. |
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Chargecoulomb said: Satoko was in a permanent L3 state, when Irie says that she's cured he's probably talking about her L3 symptoms. Not HS itself. As long as the parasite exists she should still be able to become L5. If they had a surefire cure for HS they would have used it on Satoshi, unless he's dead. I understand that Irie was under the impression L3 is the point of no return after which it can only be suppressed with lifelong medication and not eliminated, which was the reason he was shocked to see her results coming up negative. I didn't say they had a surefire cure, it's just that Satoko's body seems to have produced antibodies after a year of regularly taking shots. I find it very hard to buy your argument, given that:
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Auron_ said: Chargecoulomb said: Satoko was in a permanent L3 state, when Irie says that she's cured he's probably talking about her L3 symptoms. Not HS itself. As long as the parasite exists she should still be able to become L5. If they had a surefire cure for HS they would have used it on Satoshi, unless he's dead. I understand that Irie was under the impression L3 is the point of no return after which it can only be suppressed with lifelong medication and not eliminated, which was the reason he was shocked to see her results coming up negative. I didn't say they had a surefire cure, it's just that Satoko's body seems to have produced antibodies after a year of regularly taking shots. I find it very hard to buy your argument, given that:
It doesn't make sense that the pathogen would disappear when living in Hinamizawa is what makes people come into contact with it to begin with. |
ssjokg said: It doesn't make sense that the pathogen would disappear when living in Hinamizawa is what makes people come into contact with it to begin with. Considering how Rika speculates it all happened due to Hanyuu embracing humanity, Gou seems to be pushing Hinamizawa syndrome as pretty much a supernatural curse, even if some of its activity can be measured/controlled through modern medicine. It's why I think we'll see a big explosion of Hinamizawa syndrome once the new Oyashiro-sama appears. That revelation sets up something like that and could be used to set up Satoko into some kind of desperate situation that forces her to kill, giving an excuse for some of her behavior if her talk of wanting to stop Oyashiro-sama's curse had some basis. |
NeonDZFeb 17, 2021 5:42 PM
NeonDZ said: seems like a pretty bullshit reason just so we can have this plot.ssjokg said: It doesn't make sense that the pathogen would disappear when living in Hinamizawa is what makes people come into contact with it to begin with. Considering how Rika speculates it all happened due to Hanyuu embracing humanity, Gou seems to be pushing Hinamizawa syndrome as pretty much a supernatural curse, even if some of its activity can be measured/controlled through modern medicine. It's why I think we'll see a big explosion of Hinamizawa syndrome once the new Oyashiro-sama appears. That revelation sets up something like that. So basically anything can happen as long as x god/witch feels like it and the players have no real way out. "Hey Hanyuu woke up facing to the west today, so Satoshi died in his sleep which made Irie go L5 and murder the whole village." Really not a fun of this considering Hanyuu could have solved all of this before Rika even reached the 10th loop. |
ssjokg said: Auron_ said: I understand that Irie was under the impression L3 is the point of no return after which it can only be suppressed with lifelong medication and not eliminated, which was the reason he was shocked to see her results coming up negative. I didn't say they had a surefire cure, it's just that Satoko's body seems to have produced antibodies after a year of regularly taking shots. I find it very hard to buy your argument, given that:
It doesn't make sense that the pathogen would disappear when living in Hinamizawa is what makes people come into contact with it to begin with. I'm not gonna pretend like I know anything about virology or immunology, but on a layperson level, it seems unintuitive to me that a test for a virus would turn up negative when the pathogen is still in your system. I imagined something like passive immunity since she underwent treatment for over a year. In Matsuri we're told continued treatment did stabilize Satoshi's condition, maybe it could've helped develop immunity in this instance? Again I'm throwing darts in the dark here but Irie's language seemed too strong for it to just be "Yeah your symptoms are mitigated, it may very well revert back to its prior state though lol" |
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Auron_ said: ssjokg said: It doesn't make sense that the pathogen would disappear when living in Hinamizawa is what makes people come into contact with it to begin with. I'm not gonna pretend like I know anything about virology or immunology, but on a layperson level, it seems unintuitive to me that a test for a virus would turn up negative when the pathogen is still in your system. I imagined something like passive immunity since she underwent treatment for over a year. In Matsuri we're told continued treatment did stabilize Satoshi's condition, maybe it could've helped develop immunity in this instance? Again I'm throwing darts in the dark here but Irie's language seemed too strong for it to just be "Yeah your symptoms are mitigated, it may very well revert back to its prior state though lol" I could accept Satoko developing immunity but we saw her scratching her neck when she went full SAW on Rika. So she either was fakiing the symptom or Irie is a liar. Or maybe script writers fucked up. |
ssjokg said: Auron_ said: I'm not gonna pretend like I know anything about virology or immunology, but on a layperson level, it seems unintuitive to me that a test for a virus would turn up negative when the pathogen is still in your system. I imagined something like passive immunity since she underwent treatment for over a year. In Matsuri we're told continued treatment did stabilize Satoshi's condition, maybe it could've helped develop immunity in this instance? Again I'm throwing darts in the dark here but Irie's language seemed too strong for it to just be "Yeah your symptoms are mitigated, it may very well revert back to its prior state though lol" I could accept Satoko developing immunity but we saw her scratching her neck when she went full SAW on Rika. So she either was fakiing the symptom or Irie is a liar. Or maybe script writers fucked up. But the SAW moment is from a whole another fragment no? Assuming she does have immunity in Satokowashi-hen, she's not gonna retain that through loops, since it's a material thing. My understanding is that only the mind and the memories can traverse fragments. The physical qualities like immune system is borrowed from the auto-pilot Rika/Satoko after the loopers "take over" so to speak. I don't think there's a contradiction. |
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Auron_ said: ssjokg said: I could accept Satoko developing immunity but we saw her scratching her neck when she went full SAW on Rika. So she either was fakiing the symptom or Irie is a liar. Or maybe script writers fucked up. But the SAW moment is from a whole another fragment no? Assuming she does have immunity in Satokowashi-hen, she's not gonna retain that through loops, since it's a material thing. My understanding is that only the mind and the memories can traverse fragments. The physical qualities like immune system is borrowed from the auto-pilot Rika/Satoko after the loopers "take over" so to speak. I don't think there's a contradiction. Sure but her act was pretty chill compared to everyone else. So what is the difference between Satoko and everyone else like Akasaka,Keichi, Kimiyoshi, Akane and Ooishi? We didn't see much of Mion so I don't count her. And sure what she did to Rika was pretty fucking crazy but she was so calm about it. |
| Random but are they ever gonna approve the updated ending theme section? I've submitted it at least three times. |
| Have they accepted Gou as a sequel yet? Honestly though, as far as I understand. The reason they keep Satoshi unconscious is because he's in L5. A permanent cure for HS would involve him first. 'Completely Cured' is relative. Completely cured from L3 maybe. Besides a possible cure would have to be administered to each person in the village and relatives living outside the village, why would Rika need to talk about Oyashirosama at the Watanagishi festival if a cure was already available. Since Irie stated that doing so helped with the situation. Why would Rika doing what she did matter if a cure exists? |
| @Auron_ @ssjokg I'm willing to bet that either the writers made a mistake, Irie is lying/making a mistake or there is already something supernatural going with Satoko/HS. First of all, let's clear for Auron that this is not a Virus, but a parasite, and they work quite differently. Not only is HS a Parasite, but it is living in a brain. I'm not fully aware and don't remember the mechanics of this disease, but it could live dormant in our brains not doing anything and hence not showing in tests, in blood for example. There is even some Viruses which may live dormant within us and won't show up until they activate. Considering how needy Takano not only was needy for a live specimen, but needed to "dissect" the brain, I find it a bit weird how Irie could declare Complete Recovery (even tho he apparently said it). What comes to immunity, it's not the same as being cured, and we hardly develop immunity to parasites (tho not unheard of) Satoko being on the "point of no return" L3 and going down to L1 could be enough to call it as "complete recovery" as it is unheard of and more on the default safe zone. HS being a brain disease, I think it's somewhat comparable to, for example, depression (tho they're completely different) as in even when you get "completely cured" it doesn't mean you're not vulnerable for it to surface again. And yes, pretty sure it will be surfacing again soon. At most, I don't think there is a cure for this, and the disease settling down is more on Satoko's side. As people have mentioned before me, if there was a curse, it's weird that Satoshi is still MIA. Waiting for the next episode, wonder what we'll see today. [EDIT] Did a quick google to check one thing out to be certain, and yes. For example, there is come Herpes viruses that will NEVER get eradicated from our bodies, even when the disease won't affect us anymore. |
HulioFeb 18, 2021 3:08 AM
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| In Terms of Parasites a cure is most likely useless if everybody was not given the cure in the same time frame. Since the parasite obviously can spread from one person to another easily in the confines of Hinamaizawa. Is Bus stop cannon? I remember from it, that Rika being with someone could alleviate their HS symptoms. Even from Mions L4/L3 state. Since Satoko has been living with Rika for a while that could be something affecting her. Seperation from Rika along with stress at St Lucia could revert Satoko back to L3 and then eventually terminal L5. |
ssjokg said: Auron_ said: But the SAW moment is from a whole another fragment no? Assuming she does have immunity in Satokowashi-hen, she's not gonna retain that through loops, since it's a material thing. My understanding is that only the mind and the memories can traverse fragments. The physical qualities like immune system is borrowed from the auto-pilot Rika/Satoko after the loopers "take over" so to speak. I don't think there's a contradiction. Sure but her act was pretty chill compared to everyone else. So what is the difference between Satoko and everyone else like Akasaka,Keichi, Kimiyoshi, Akane and Ooishi? We didn't see much of Mion so I don't count her. And sure what she did to Rika was pretty fucking crazy but she was so calm about it. It's been established multiple times in the VN that Satoko's experience with the syndrome is relatively calmer and directed internally rather than externally compared to others. @Hulio Viruses are parasites, parasite is not a type of organism but simply denotes function. There are parasitic fungi, parasitic insects, parasitic protozoa and so on. But you're right that it was never confirmed to be a virus, my memory failed me. But it was never confirmed not to be one either. Why would dormancy mean test coming up negative? I don't have the credentials to rebut this, but going from recent examples, both SARS-CoV-2 and EBOV were able to be detected at an inactivated state. If we're to call into question the validity of Irie's diagnosis I think incompetence is very unlikely. He's basically a genius in the field. I'd either go with incompetence of the writers or malice on the part of Irie. |
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Auron_ said: ssjokg said: Sure but her act was pretty chill compared to everyone else. So what is the difference between Satoko and everyone else like Akasaka,Keichi, Kimiyoshi, Akane and Ooishi? We didn't see much of Mion so I don't count her. And sure what she did to Rika was pretty fucking crazy but she was so calm about it. It's been established multiple times in the VN that Satoko's experience with the syndrome is relatively calmer and directed internally rather than externally compared to others. @Hulio Viruses are parasites, parasite is not a type of organism but simply denotes function. There are parasitic fungi, parasitic insects, parasitic protozoa and so on. But you're right that it was never confirmed to be a virus, my memory failed me. But it was never confirmed not to be one either. Why would dormancy mean test coming up negative? I don't have the credentials to rebut this, but going from recent examples, both SARS-CoV-2 and EBOV were able to be detected at an inactivated state. If we're to call into question the validity of Irie's diagnosis I think incompetence is very unlikely. He's basically a genius in the field. I'd either go with incompetence of the writers or malice on the part of Irie. I've searched on the "Hinamizawa Sydrome" Wiki and apparantly this IS a parasite at its utmost definition. At first I've suspected that it may be a PRION but after I checked out there to be sure it seems that this parasite leaves the body of the host after its demise. This parasite is AWARE making him extremely dangerous and cannot be associated with a mere virus. Also yes a parasite (even clearly a brain parasite) can go undetected even on the thoughest investigation if he really deactivated himself/ was supressed enough to go unnoticed because he no longer intervenes with the biological reactions in the human body and only a autopsy can indicate if he truly was eradicated or its just inactivated (even temporarly) (Regarding the SARS or other inactive viruses it doesn't matter if they are active or not, they can be still found in the bloodstream and identified during centrifugal analysis or randomly on the microscope, because of that a stationary aware parasites are hundreds of times worse than a ARN/ADN based virus) |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
Auron_ said: It's been established multiple times in the VN that Satoko's experience with the syndrome is relatively calmer and directed internally rather than externally compared to others. True enough. Even Takano was suffering from its onset. Yet increased paranoia and stress leads to violence against others. It does manifest differently but the symptoms and the end results are the same. The time we saw Satoko at a L3/L4 level (what we see in Gou's gut spilling is doubtful) was with regards to Teppei. With the perspective of a stage L3/L4 Keichii. It's in Satoko's personality to take suffering and put on a strong front. Not necessarily a part of HS. We don't see anything concrete enough to say that she's suffering from HS in this episode but the Cicada crying does hint at it. We'll just have to see what happens in ep20 before making any assumptions. |
Auron_ said: Viruses being parasites, well yes I guess by the term they are, but Viruses are not PARASITES, Viruses are Viruses.Viruses are parasites, parasite is not a type of organism but simply denotes function. There are parasitic fungi, parasitic insects, parasitic protozoa and so on. But you're right that it was never confirmed to be a virus, my memory failed me. But it was never confirmed not to be one either. Why would dormancy mean test coming up negative? I don't have the credentials to rebut this, but going from recent examples, both SARS-CoV-2 and EBOV were able to be detected at an inactivated state. If we're to call into question the validity of Irie's diagnosis I think incompetence is very unlikely. He's basically a genius in the field. I'd either go with incompetence of the writers or malice on the part of Irie. What I mean is, I'm talking pathogens that are in general called as Parasites, like Toxoplasma Gondii, living organisms (well Bacteria are also living but it's different, and viruses are not). I'm not an expert on the field, but I'm pretty sure that in medical terms, Parasites are their own group of pathogens. Like those examples you gave, Parasitic etcetc. The difference is being a Parasite and being Parasitic. What comes the HS, it really isn't a Virus, Parasitic fungi or Parasitic insect.. dunno what 'Protozoa' is tho, maybe those are what people usually call/consider as 'Parasites'. Why would dormancy mean test coming up negative? well why not? The fact that something doesn't show up in your blood test, doesn't mean you don't have said pathogens. And I might be wrong, but the tests usually don't search for pathogens themselves, but rather antibodies. If the Virus is dormant, then the test shows no antibodies, and if the virus doesn't live in the blood, then no viruses either. Of course, that doesn't mean some viruses won't show up. What comes to Irie, well yes he is a Genius, but I wouldn't say he is a Genius on this exact field, that was mostly Takano. Irie is a Brain surgeon, a master of lobotomies and last I checked he wasn't poking Satoko's brains. Of course that doesn't mean he is incompetent, Pathogens just never really were his field even tho he is currently the most knowledgeable of this disease. But yes, most likely incompetence on writer's side. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| Finally!! The charm of Higurashi is picking back up! They should have done one or two arcs in Hinamizawa at the start and then focused more on this Satoko stuff later. This is the quality and gold I’ve been waiting for. Fantastic stuff. |
| Lmao asking the teacher after class if she could teach her something is the most savage thing you could do. Out of context atleast. Anyway not games make kids violent, stress at school does! Somehow I dont see Shion at a school like this. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| If this is all because Satoko is jealous and feels abandoned - ultimately, a spat between friends - this is going to be quite shallow and stupid. Makes Satoko a terrible person, too. |
| wholesome satoko and rika montage in my horror anime?! Gou is a rollercoaster.. but it seems we get a little bit of that horror vibe at the end lol |
| I like how we see where the interests of the witches stem from. Elegance vs Fun; tea or candy. So Satoko pushes Rika away as Rika does nothing to defend her friend. Wanting to connect / lack of communication IS the heart of Higurashi, so I very much like how it's still reigning true with Gou. I feel like many in this thread are forgetting Satoko is literally a victim of child abuse. Her actions make sense when you understand her character. I wonder now if what Irie said is actually true about her being cured, but I'm thinking not, since Satoshi not being here is proof there's still something incomplete about the virus. |
| Rika you should have realized what was going on...you pushed Satoko for 3 years to come here so it's your responsibility as a friend to take care of her, not leave her in the dust for those snobs. You KNOW how much she struggles with academics and what a school like this would require. However Rika doesn't deserve 100 years of tortuous hell for it either. This curse is a bridge way too far. |
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| Ah I can see why satako is being butt hurt asf. I mean they worked hard together just to be brushed off and tossed like some piece of shit that was always a nuisance. The utter humiliation is shameless worthy of eternal torture. |
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| I guess it's obvious where this is going, Satoko is going to awaken the syndrome, and we know how it ends. But i do feel bad for Satoko, i know that Rika wants to try a new life but not at the cost of leaving old friends behind, especially after what she been through. |
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| Rika in this ep really gave me big bern vibes Since i know the episode is a flashback, i kept on wondering when and where will satoko burst since she passed and entered with rika but finally knew the reason (havent read the vn of higurashi that's why...only umineko) And yeah Both r at fault here but mostly rika. Rika like forced satoko to be in this school but in exchange of that, they'll be together which it didnt happen. Satoko is only fault was bcz shes not studying. Rika was inviting her with her "friends" but who would enjoying being with them if u know they dont like u and think ur just a nuisance to Rika and to them. Also satoko's attitude in here was like when k1 and co tried to help her from her uncle like when child center(?something like that) called Satoko but she answered that everything is fine which is not. Like pretending to be ok but not really And lastly, the reason where both r at fault was no communication at all |
MurukoHiiragiApr 1, 2021 10:38 AM
"Everyone fails sometimes But dreams won't fade, dreams won't fade Let's chase them as many times as it takes and don't lose Because today after all is today and once you wake up, it'll be a new morning" ~Aqours~ |
| That'a a pretty boring school if you ask me. |
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| I can empathise with both of them, but Satoko is definitely being very immature. However, both are understandable and this is a very realistic situation, which is good because one of my biggest issues with Gou earlier was how things would happen randomly for no good reason. But here we have a realistic situation and it seems like it will build up for a while since we have 5 eps left. I'm starting to enjoy this a lot. |
iiKrinaJun 23, 2021 9:42 AM
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| I had guessed this kind of thing would happen. Poor Satoko, but she cannot blame Rika. From the very beginning, Rika already invited Satoko to join her circle of friends. Rika also offered her help if Satoko have any problem in studying, but as expected of Satoko, her pride got the better of her and eventually distanced from Rika. It's so so sad.. Actually I relate to Satoko a lot. I was in her situation once. Pride got the better of me, and I lagged behind from my friends. It was a rough time for me, but I managed to get by. Now I'm adapting to my new situation and I wish I will get back on my own feet again. You're not alone, Satoko!! My fav screenshots: |
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