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| Interesting character introduced, i like her already. Freaking glorious ED. 5/5 |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| That book the short chick was reading reminded me of the Monster anime and its books via appearance. |
| Jaywalker. |
Epicenter said: Kurokolist said: Funny that in Billiards, the young guy got killed by his GF for cheating. Guess it matters in Decimland. Also seemed like the Old guy got the void(Even though he was completely awesome and not a Dbag). Maybe he asked to let the young guy go to heaven/reincarnation? Which raises the question if one has to go to hell? It makes no sense that the old guy went to hell right? I liked this series better when we were examining masks and potential messages and shit. Then they shoved all the information in our face and it was underwhelming. Lol well to be fair, in the old man's memories their was an image of him being a bully, which Decim would know about. Maybe there's one last hope for you when it comes to the masks, I checked, and unless my screen was inverted in one, the masks were on different sides, like the bad looking mask was on the right in this episode, but was on the left in Billards. A pretty flimsy hope, but hope for you nonetheless I guess lol. Though I agree its dumb the old man was the one to go to hell. It would make sense if you think of the void as a completion - the soul has nothing more to achieve or learn. The 'hell' concept I doubt is applicable on the Buddha floor (the 15-th floor), because on the other hand, reincarnation means numerous soul trials through rebirth. It's more 'hell' if you ask me than your soul furrowing eternally into a void, where it's questionable if it even does know itself. So, the old man knew it and aimed at the void from the very beginning. The cheater didn't even understand he got his 'second' chance (although he won the game regardless). In the pool game, Decim's judgement was based on giving the husband a chance (after being wronged in life), while Nona thought he should learn trusting others (through more life cycles). And while the nameless assistant is a curious tweak to Decim's performance (I can't help thinking she and Decim are somehow connected), I didn't see his decision being revoked. On the contrary, Nona said the girl had a long way to go). Switching the POV to the staff members shaped the arbiters side in a lot more dynamic way, which is rare for omniscient characters, and I think this is great. More names in Latin: Clavis - key; the elevator guy; Quin - V - 5; loads the memory database; Nona - IX - 9; a supervisor of Decim; Decim - X - 10; an arbiter; An assistant with no name - a temporary, short-term assigned helper. |
zellami said: It would make sense if you think of the void as a completion - the soul has nothing more to achieve or learn. The 'hell' concept I doubt is applicable on the Buddha floor (the 15-th floor), because on the other hand, reincarnation means numerous soul trials through rebirth. It's more 'hell' if you ask me than your soul furrowing eternally into a void, where it's questionable if it even does know itself. So, the old man knew it and aimed at the void from the very beginning. The cheater didn't even understand he got his 'second' chance (although he won the game regardless). In the pool game, Decim's judgement was based on giving the husband a chance (after being wronged in life), while Nona thought he should learn trusting others (through more life cycles). And while the nameless assistant is a curious tweak to Decim's performance (I can't help thinking she and Decim are somehow connected), I didn't see his decision being revoked. On the contrary, Nona said the girl had a long way to go). Switching the POV to the staff members shaped the arbiters side in a lot more dynamic way, which is rare for omniscient characters, and I think this is great. More names in Latin: Clavis - key; the elevator guy; Quin - V - 5; loads the memory database; Nona - IX - 9; a supervisor of Decim; Decim - X - 10; an arbiter; An assistant with no name - a temporary, short-term assigned helper. I noticed those latin references too. Though, as for the 'hell' - concept, Nona herself says it's more simple to explain, that's why they use those basic notions of condemnation and salvation. About the buddhism and the elevator. Actually first time I thought every couple of people would be addressed to a different plan based on the religion they believed in, though at the entrance there is this huge sculpture: http://i.imgur.com/isCm3On.png So I think the whole show would revolve around the contrapposition of the concepts of void and reicarnation. Dunno if I missed something, though . . . |
| Decim, I am disappoint. While I understand you can only judge to the best of your abilities and that you probably didn't ask to be an arbiter in the first place, a woman without access to their memories made a better assessment than you did. You seem to lack a profound understanding about the intricacies of human emotions/minds and that only proves that the system that put you there is inherently unjust and deeply flawed. This vindicates what I wrote about the last episode. A system that judges people based on a few minutes of emotional display or one moment of weakness (admission to infidelity) without a deeper understanding of what prompted that admission is terrible. Even more unjust is the failure (or unwillingness) to examine their actions or inactions throughout their life, not just one or two (however defining) moments in their life. That said, even with access to memories, without the ability to read minds, judgement is never going to be 100% perfect. I do understand that, but a system that decides the eternal fate of souls needs to be much more robust and forgiving of human foibles. Still I think I'm going to love this series. The show will not be half as philosophically interesting to watch if every arbiter is making perfect judgments. There'd be nothing to debate about. |
TorribleJan 16, 2015 10:48 PM
| Show is brilliant so far, really enjoying it. |
| good episode, as expected, the show is not just episodic. this time from onna's perspective, it was pretty interesting to watch. i wonder how someone ends up as working at quindecim though? at least onna. i wonder if they'll focus on that, too. next week we'll probably get another game. |
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| I really like this series. the bartender is cool. and the ed n op. twist behind the first ep. |
| Damn, this episode cleared things up and confirmed my suspicions. Really sucks that the woman got sent to hell. From the way the guy was suspicious when he was living to how he was acting during the game... and the sudden change in attitude for the wife. It's unfortunate, but I think the fact that Decim can make mistakes makes this show a whole lot more interesting. |
Torrible said: Decim, I am disappoint. While I understand you can only judge to the best of your abilities and that you probably didn't ask to be an arbiter in the first place, a woman without access to their memories made a better assessment than you did. You seem to lack an understanding about the intricacy of human emotions/minds and that only proves that the system that put you there is inherently unjust and deeply flawed. This vindicates what I wrote about the last episode. A system that judges people based on a few minutes of emotional display or one moment of weakness (admission to infidelity) without a deeper understanding of what prompted that admission is terrible. Even more unjust is the failure (or unwillingness) to examine their actions or inactions throughout their life, not just one or two (however defining) moments in their life. That said, even with access to memories, without the ability to read minds, judgement is never going to be 100% perfect. I do understand that, but a system that decides the eternal fate of souls needs to be much more robust and forgiving of human foibles. I'd rather agree, but the purpose of the anime isn't to implore a choice according the solidity of religious systems, neither to train you in being an arbiter (man, seriously ... :D). It's an invitation to look at the characters and find something for yourself there. For example, like not being quick in judging because arbiter or not, you are not perfect (as the rest of us)? Or, what about the couple - the husband failed to make his wife happy, she did something stupid thinking only for herself, they pretty much put the woods and the oil to torch their relationship (their marriage lasted actually longer, heh). And, so on . I'd complain about the lack of forgiveness, mercy, and redemption apparently being out of the floor's calculations, but I believe it is left to the viewers to do it themselves. In honesty, I hope (as viewers) we all would, even a little :L |
zellami said: Torrible said: Decim, I am disappoint. While I understand you can only judge to the best of your abilities and that you probably didn't ask to be an arbiter in the first place, a woman without access to their memories made a better assessment than you did. You seem to lack an understanding about the intricacy of human emotions/minds and that only proves that the system that put you there is inherently unjust and deeply flawed. This vindicates what I wrote about the last episode. A system that judges people based on a few minutes of emotional display or one moment of weakness (admission to infidelity) without a deeper understanding of what prompted that admission is terrible. Even more unjust is the failure (or unwillingness) to examine their actions or inactions throughout their life, not just one or two (however defining) moments in their life. That said, even with access to memories, without the ability to read minds, judgement is never going to be 100% perfect. I do understand that, but a system that decides the eternal fate of souls needs to be much more robust and forgiving of human foibles. I'd rather agree, but the purpose of the anime isn't to implore a choice according the solidity of religious systems, neither to train you in being an arbiter (man, seriously ... :D). It's an invitation to look at the characters and find something for yourself there. For example, like not being quick in judging because arbiter or not, you are not perfect (as the rest of us)? Or, what about the couple - the husband failed to make his wife happy, she did something stupid thinking only for herself, they pretty much put the woods and the oil to torch their relationship (their marriage lasted actually longer, heh). And, so on . I'd complain about the lack of forgiveness, mercy, and redemption apparently being out of the floor's calculations, but I believe it is left to the viewers to do it themselves. In honesty, I hope (as viewers) we all would, even a little :L I agree. You misinterpreted my earlier comment as a complaint about the show. It was a complaint about the system, not the show. The fact that the show wants us to know that Decim made a bad call and why gives me hope for future episodes. I think the whole premise of the show is about how the woman brings an additional touch of humanity to the system that was previously lacking in it. I also understand that the purpose of the show is perhaps to demonstrate that morality isn't always black and white without lecturing in a heavy-handed way. It does so subtly by inviting us the viewers to examine the flaws and motivations of its characters. |
TorribleJan 16, 2015 11:09 PM
| Damn, so much info dumps in here about explaining the game, and their motivations. Nice to see more characters in here, and pretty much like Nona's design and personality. Seems like the Arbiters sometimes can make mistakes when judging the guests and the games. Well, I can't wait to see more of this. I can't get enough of that OP song, is just to addictive to watch. |
| episode one made me confuse as whatever the heck is going on. Now this is the real starting point for me. 5/5 |
Jonesy974 said: So we actually leanred quite a bit this episode. A large amount of questions everyone had about the first episode were answered. So basically Onna's opinion, which was the opinion the viewers had, was right, and Decim actually fucking goofed in his decision. In the ED of ep.1 they show that Machida (Machiko's friend) had a name card for the wedding on the table. Unsure as to why they didn't bring that up again. So the white haired girl agreed that Onna's thought process was the right one, but did agree that Onna's thoughts on them living as a happy couple were right. And the white haired girl was probably right about that. As she mentioned, Takeshi was way too crazy and paranoid to ever be truly happy. In the end, Onna was right, and the arbiter's decision should've been the other way. But Onna's opinion on happiness was a little bit off. This episode also answered our other question. Everyone thought that because she won the game she chose to sacrifice herself and let Takeshi get reincarnated. It turns out that they have no saying power, and the decision is completely up to the Arbiter. Now another question we're left with...if the circumstances allow it, is there an option for both people playing the game to be reincarnated or sent to the void? Perhaps if both parties' memories are very bad or average, and there behavior during the game is redeeming or whatnot. One thing that I think could've been done better was the info dump. Like she asked plenty of questions and a lot of the girl's responses were kind of vague. Like obviously we got the gist of how everything works, but we didn't get any specifics. That doesn't mean I think that everything should be revealed right off the bat. It would ruin everything. But I definitely would have preferred to at least have more solid answers to the questions that Onna already asked. Because I'm sure there are plenty more questions that are going to be brought up later on. You're right about the card! Didn't pay attention to it. Had to read the hiragana to get it. But if the story of Machiko about her friend was true, then what were those images of her and her alledged lover? Were those real memory images or are they images the arbiter imagined or some sort of visual aid for us? Leaving aside the cheating issue, I think Machiko honestly tried to lose on purpose with the last dart. At least it looks like that from the camera perspective, she turned to the side where the piano was, which is in a very different direction from where the target originally is. That single thing convinced me that her feelings towards her husband were honest. But then her husband pulled her and it ended in a mess. Now, there is something else that bothers me. When they enter the bar, Takashi was on the left with the red mask and Machiko on the right with the white one. Once the trial ended, they were placed on the same elevators, except the masks switched places. Ugh. I have several observations and checked some scenes lots of times in case a missed a clue. I'm at my limit @____@. So many questions. |
Dreams_of_NekoJan 17, 2015 12:43 AM
| It never occurred to me Decim could be wrong. Actually, I don't think I've come across a series in where a person who judges life/death makes a permanent, incorrect assessment. o.O Saying that, what a flawed system... though it makes it more interesting. This series will be very, very interesting at this rate. And with thoughtful themes too. The way I viewed last episode, I never thought Machiko was in the wrong, but then her memory of cheating and the end result left me wondering. I thought her feelings for Takeshi were real enough (and her "confession" seemed to be for Takeshi's sake). Saying that, Nona has a point. Takeshi just couldn't trust her, so they wouldn't be happy for very long anyways. I wonder if we can take Onna's words as the truth though... even if it does fit the pieces of the puzzle better. |
| "Oh well people make mistakes" WTF shes going to hell now for a mistake! |
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| You can argue all you want about what is the "right" thing to do, but in the end its up to the jurisdiction of the arbiters, who are not human. In real life, there will be great people who die young and some evil ones have the privilege to live life to the fullest. Life is not fair, and I love the way that Decim, a personification of the "natural order" show this through his mistakes. I wouldn't say he made the 'wrong' decision in this case but he did seem to view human interaction in relatively simplistic way compared to the new girl. |
| You're calling these elementary-level thoughts "philosophy"? |
| Goddamn that opening is brilliant. The episode itself was a brilliant explanation of the last one. Really looking forward to the next episode with bowling. |
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| I wonder, will nona do something to save that girl (Machiko) .. |
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| I'm a little bit confused about last week's eps but thanks to this episode, everything becomes clear |
| There's so much to say about the "game", and the...people? being used to pass judgement I don't think I could even scratch the surface. The system seems so insane, and illogical, but I guess if it was fair, and made sense the story might not be as interesting. Seriously though, you would think arbiters of reincarnation, and damnation wouldn't be so ignorant. Then again, it makes just about as much sense as Christianity, whatever. They haven't stated whether both individuals can go to the same destination yet, but it seems really stupid if they can't. How much time has passed since this system was set in place? Are we expected to believe that a moron has been judging the value of human souls this whole time? Maybe that's why the world is full of so many psychopaths. A supreme being has decided it fucked up, so in order to rectify the mistake it acquired the help of someone of average intelligence to assist the idiot. I'm really close to dropping this. |
Albert Einstein said: The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. Neil deGrasse Tyson said: For me, I am driven by two main philosophies: know more today about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you. |
| The fact still stands that she cheated on him. If you truly care for someone, you don't cheat on them, not even on a one-off. |
Oddyeus said: The fact still stands that she cheated on him. If you truly care for someone, you don't cheat on them, not even on a one-off. We really don't know much about the circumstances surrounding the incident. All we can say is that poor decisions were made, and a mistake is not a good judge of character. I would be a lot more concerned about her reaction. |
fuwa-fuwaJan 17, 2015 3:29 AM
Albert Einstein said: The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. Neil deGrasse Tyson said: For me, I am driven by two main philosophies: know more today about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you. |
| I'm glad to see my interpretation of last episode was correct and that sending Takashi to reincarnate was a mistake. I was wondering why Matchiko was sent to void, since cheating alone (especially since she regretted it that much) should not be a reason enough to send someone to the Void (Hell). On the other hand, Takashi caused their death, and even tried to kill Matchiko after the game, so only made sense for him to be sent to the Void. I assumed that Decim was infallible, so it is good to know why the judgment seemed so illogical last episode. |
| Whoa, now that was quite interesting. The different perspective was really unique and cleared up a lot questions raised from the previous episode. So in the end, Decim made a mistake as an arbiter, huh? O.o The woman did end up having a one-time affair. She did up regretting it though. On the flip side, the man was right about being suspicious, but was also simply untrusting by nature. From a moral standpoint, it was technically correct that the woman was sent to the void since the man was justified in his suspicion that she was having an affair. However, she did come to regret it and the man did end up causing their deaths because of his untrusting nature in the end. Now that was especially interesting how Decim realized his error in judgment in the end (well, I guess his "error" depends on one's viewpoint of this matter as a whole -- but that's a whole different discussion). I love how much this series makes you think about this predicament as a whole. Basically, there's a lot more to consider than what meets the naked eye initially. Definitely excited to see what next week has in store for us. Meanwhile, Imma continue to spam this opening theme~ Sooo good and addicting! |
AceDvazzJan 17, 2015 4:11 AM
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fuwa-fuwa said: There's so much to say about the "game", and the...people? being used to pass judgement I don't think I could even scratch the surface. The system seems so insane, and illogical, but I guess if it was fair, and made sense the story might not be as interesting. Seriously though, you would think arbiters of reincarnation, and damnation wouldn't be so ignorant. Then again, it makes just about as much sense as Christianity, whatever. They haven't stated whether both individuals can go to the same destination yet, but it seems really stupid if they can't. How much time has passed since this system was set in place? Are we expected to believe that a moron has been judging the value of human souls this whole time? Maybe that's why the world is full of so many psychopaths. A supreme being has decided it fucked up, so in order to rectify the mistake it acquired the help of someone of average intelligence to assist the idiot. I'm really close to dropping this. Wait what? I mean what you said seems like it would make things more interesting, no? That it's a flawed system, and that (hopefully) it gets brought up later on and maybe challenged in some way? I'd like to see that at least. Forgive me if I'm being stupid and missing the point. |
fuwa-fuwa said: There's so much to say about the "game", and the...people? being used to pass judgement I don't think I could even scratch the surface. The system seems so insane, and illogical, but I guess if it was fair, and made sense the story might not be as interesting. Seriously though, you would think arbiters of reincarnation, and damnation wouldn't be so ignorant. Then again, it makes just about as much sense as Christianity, whatever. They haven't stated whether both individuals can go to the same destination yet, but it seems really stupid if they can't. How much time has passed since this system was set in place? Are we expected to believe that a moron has been judging the value of human souls this whole time? Maybe that's why the world is full of so many psychopaths. A supreme being has decided it fucked up, so in order to rectify the mistake it acquired the help of someone of average intelligence to assist the idiot. I'm really close to dropping this. These were my thoughts exactly while watching this episode. It really does hurt the premise, since we can assume that idiots have been judging humanity for a very long time. However, if this anime is about fixing the flaws in the system, i think it could turn out very interesting... |
MikioBoJan 17, 2015 4:26 AM
| This..Episode was interesting. Cleared up a few things from the previous one, which is nice to see. Enjoying this atm and excited to see the next ep |
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Harlequina said: Wait what? I mean what you said seems like it would make things more interesting, no? That it's a flawed system, and that (hopefully) it gets brought up later on and maybe challenged in some way? I'd like to see that at least. Forgive me if I'm being stupid and missing the point. It would, but I wouldn't be able to stop myself from cringing every few minutes. My reaction to this episode was literally: "what?, WHAT? WTF, NO, WHY?". It would be easier for me to forgive the arbiters if the show wasn't so ambitious. Somethings are beautiful when you examine them as a whole, others are like a Michael Bay film, shut your brain off and enjoy the superficial. |
Albert Einstein said: The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. Neil deGrasse Tyson said: For me, I am driven by two main philosophies: know more today about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you. |
| I think the repetition of that girl keep asking questions, made me got irritated from this episode. But her perspective in the 2 couples made up for it. Next BOWLING!!!! Lets see who will knock each other first! =D |
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| I am surprised Onna didn't ask anything about her circumstances. Last episode I thought she was going to ask them about how and why she suddenly landed there without memories, and yet Nona tells her she should be an assistant and she agreed without a second thought. I also find the fact that arbiters can be wrong (or at least implied so) quite the twist. With that all previous discussions about what is more wrong - cheating or pathologic distrust rekindled. I really like the psychological aspect of the show, as Nona was explaining about observing and intuition, and the fact that their judgement was based on who acted more humane, not who was more wrong during their life. Finally, even after the explanations I am not sure if the arbiters are empathic or not, is it just Decim's character? He was clearly shown not to understand love, but just know it as a concept, which makes me think that the ending scenes of the doll reaching for a rose would be Decim learning about love. Or I could be delusional. Also what are these dolls and the book of Chawot? |
| Decim is a terrible judge.... This judgement could be given even without made them play the game... Still enjoyable show.... 3.5/5 |
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| First ep with a different perspective. Really changed the way I pictured it based on the first ep only. I think that Machiko might've guessed that 1 goes to heaven and the other goes to hell and hence, putting on that act in front of Decim and Takashi. Knowing that the arbiters can make mistakes makes them a bit more human but they shouldn't even be making mistakes especially since they are dealing with the fate of people's afterlife. It's like "Oops, I accidentally sent you to hell. Teehee XP" |
| I mainly see the animes... so don't blame me for not knowing about the Manga/LN |
konatachan80 said: I think you attributed the quote(s) to the wrong person.. He suspected she was cheating on him.. From his viewpoint, did she really display any love for him if she really was? If there wasn't any love, then there was no love to treat like sh*t. Just someone who betrayed you. Actually, the feeling of betrayal might override just about everything else. I consider cheating on someone and loving that very same person mutually exclusive. From the flashback we saw she diplayed loved to her husband, while the husband did the opposite, and never confronted her with the suspection, all of this could have been avoided if the husband you actually trust someone or he had talked about what he heard :-/ And that is the whole problem, he fucked it up because of his own insecurity, and not communicating his issue. It is easier to just look at the world in black and white view, but lets instead challenge that belief. a. A women is forced into an arranged marriage, even thought she love another man. If she divorce him, she would be sentenced to death. The husband is very abusive against her, and after a few months that is the only attention she gets from her husband. Does she not deserve to be together with the man she love? Is cheating really that bad, when there aren't any other option to find love? Next lets challenge the whole cheating and love can't exist together. The case in the episode is a good example where you are correct, the husband had cut of love to his wife, and she did something she regretted. However what if one of them had to do it to protect the other partner? b. We have a loving couple who love each other very much, however one day the wife falls sick, and have to be treated by a doctor. The sickness is one that would slowly destroy the brain over the next year, until it leads to the wife death. The doctor have a medicine that can cure this sickness, but it is very expensive, and the doctor will under no circumstance sell the medicine, because it is so rare. Instead she will give the wife the medicine if he choose to sleep with her. Do you think he should let his wife die who he really love, because of something as sleeping with another women, who he have zero feeling for? Wouldn't the act of love outweigh the problem with it being cheating? @Kurokolist You are the one who are making light of betrayel that aren't cheating :-/ @Epicenter Don't use stuff like religions as an evident for cheating is wrong, there are a lot of stuff that are ridiculous when it comes to religion on our day and age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs |
mrdkrekaJan 17, 2015 6:02 AM
mrdkreka said: konatachan80 said: I think you attributed the quote(s) to the wrong person.. He suspected she was cheating on him.. From his viewpoint, did she really display any love for him if she really was? If there wasn't any love, then there was no love to treat like sh*t. Just someone who betrayed you. Actually, the feeling of betrayal might override just about everything else. I consider cheating on someone and loving that very same person mutually exclusive. From the flashback we saw she diplayed loved to her husband, while the husband did the opposite, and never confronted her with the suspection, all of this could have been avoided if the husband you actually trust someone or he had talked about what he heard :-/ And that is the whole problem, he fucked it up because of his own insecurity, and not communicating his issue. It is easier to just look at the world in black and white view, but lets instead challenge that belief. a. A women is forced into an arranged marriage, even thought she love another man. If she divorce him, she would be sentenced to death. The husband is very abusive against her, and after a few months that is the only attention she gets from her husband. Does she not deserve to be together with the man she love? Is cheating really that bad, when there aren't any other option to find love? Next lets challenge the whole cheating and love can't exist together. The case in the episode is a good example where you are correct, the husband had cut of love to his wife, and she did something she regretted. However what if one of them had to do it to protect the other partner? b. We have a loving couple who love each other very much, however one day the wife falls sick, and have to be treated by a doctor. The sickness is one that would slowly destroy the brain over the next year, until it leads to the wife death. The doctor have a medicine that can cure this sickness, but it is very expensive, and the doctor will under no circumstance sell the medicine, because it is so rare. Instead she will give the wife the medicine if he choose to sleep with her. Do you think he should let his wife die who he really love, because of something as sleeping with another women, who he have zero feeling for? Wouldn't the act of love outweigh the problem with it being cheating? @Kurokolist You are the one who are making light of betrayel that aren't cheating :-/ @Epicenter Don't use stuff like religions as an evident for cheating is wrong, there are a lot of stuff that are ridiculous when it comes to religion on our day and age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs So blame the husband even though he was the one who never cheated. Gotta love this feminist logic. |
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| Really interesting follow up to last week's great pilot. Seeing what transpired in the previous episode from a different perspective was a treat to watch. Next week will have a new couple. Let's see how that goes. |
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Landos said: So blame the husband even though he was the one who never cheated. Gotta love this feminist logic. So you completely ignored my whole point that you can't judge the world in a black and white view. What the hell does feminist have to do what anything, do you even know what the word mean? |
| A second way to show how it go the first episode. It was interesting to know about true feelings of each other, besides that girl who doesn't have name, she can be very carefully with her words to express them. |
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| Really enjoyed this :) |
| Well, folks, here we have a strong contender for anime of the season. I have to say I love the characters the most, all seem to be really interesting so far. |
| Didn't like it for the most part. On one hand, I usually enjoy behind-the-curtains stories. On the other hand, I am not particularly fond of night bar setting. Also different kinds of stories about afterlife have been done many times already (and they usually are pretentious, which seems to be the case here too), but having your life judged by a flawed person in a bar after a game of darts is mercilessly boring. The bar itself looks like a sort of tedious hell. And It doesn't help that the logic behind the system isn't visible. In short, the graphics are nice, the characters are mildly interesting, but I am not enjoying the storytelling. The other problem is that a lot of screentime was wasted in this episode. The viewers have discussed the different perspectives on the relationships in the couple form ep.1, so they could've went way faster with the explanations. Edit: The thread honestly scares me, especially people saying that destroying a soul for cheating is ok, even if the said person feels bad about it and would like to repent, cause religion. Christianity at least has a concept of mercy and forgiveness. To see sins as a lines on a tab is wrong from moral standpoint. It's not that their good deeds were taken into account, and only their relationships were studied, though they're not the only facet of life. Actually the judgement doesn't make sense. |
deadoptimistJan 17, 2015 7:30 AM
| it was quite funny when it was revealed in this episode that machiko did cheat cuz people in the episode 1 thread kept saying she didn't cheat even though we were shown that she was sleeping with another man in ep1. |
Landos said: Is this a joke? Lmaoo you cannot be seriousmrdkreka said: From the flashback we saw she diplayed loved to her husband, while the husband did the opposite, and never confronted her with the suspection, all of this could have been avoided if the husband you actually trust someone or he had talked about what he heard :-/ And that is the whole problem, he fucked it up because of his own insecurity, and not communicating his issue. It is easier to just look at the world in black and white view, but lets instead challenge that belief. a. A women is forced into an arranged marriage, even thought she love another man. If she divorce him, she would be sentenced to death. The husband is very abusive against her, and after a few months that is the only attention she gets from her husband. Does she not deserve to be together with the man she love? Is cheating really that bad, when there aren't any other option to find love? Next lets challenge the whole cheating and love can't exist together. The case in the episode is a good example where you are correct, the husband had cut of love to his wife, and she did something she regretted. However what if one of them had to do it to protect the other partner? b. We have a loving couple who love each other very much, however one day the wife falls sick, and have to be treated by a doctor. The sickness is one that would slowly destroy the brain over the next year, until it leads to the wife death. The doctor have a medicine that can cure this sickness, but it is very expensive, and the doctor will under no circumstance sell the medicine, because it is so rare. Instead she will give the wife the medicine if he choose to sleep with her. Do you think he should let his wife die who he really love, because of something as sleeping with another women, who he have zero feeling for? Wouldn't the act of love outweigh the problem with it being cheating? @Kurokolist You are the one who are making light of betrayel that aren't cheating :-/ @Epicenter Don't use stuff like religions as an evident for cheating is wrong, there are a lot of stuff that are ridiculous when it comes to religion on our day and age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs So blame the husband even though he was the one who never cheated. Gotta love this feminist logic. |
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