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Feb 3, 2018 9:55 AM
#201
zodd0 said: These threads are always so retarded. They serve no point other than for "nationalists" to rant like drooling morons and pat each other on the back. Anime fandom is one of the last entertainment bastions for nationalists in the West, because 1) With a few exceptions, manga/anime series are relatively divorced from sociopolitical concerns outside a very limited sphere. 2) Nationalists have a creepy obsession with what they perceive to be traditional Japanese culture, despite never having traveled there (nor elsewhere, if we're being honest). Since it was brought up elsewhere in the thread, the Japanese perception of social justice movements in the West is admittedly mixed, but their perception of the alt-right is extremely negative on the whole (i.e. they are seen as uneducated and unproductive shut-ins). My opinion is that neither reputation is entirely undeserved. |
Feb 3, 2018 12:17 PM
#202
GlennMagusHarvey said: never seen it but yeah it can be a good thing. Also the prison school girls are (almost) all man haters anyway so it kind of goes with their characterKillaclown said: Some people hate dubs for "Americanizing" things but honestly that's how You're Under Arrest got fun.@GlennMagusHarvey Prison School dub apparently included Gamergate in it..... though yeah got off track lol But that's not even here nor there. |
Feb 3, 2018 12:23 PM
#203
Killaclown said: Well if it makes sense in context then that's good.GlennMagusHarvey said: never seen it but yeah it can be a good thing. Also the prison school girls are (almost) all man haters anyway so it kind of goes with their characterKillaclown said: @GlennMagusHarvey Prison School dub apparently included Gamergate in it..... though yeah got off track lol But that's not even here nor there. Making blanket objections to any mention of a thing would be hypocritical for people who claim to support freedom of speech. |
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Feb 3, 2018 12:28 PM
#204
GlennMagusHarvey said: though we don't know if that was their intention or not, personally I hope so.Killaclown said: Well if it makes sense in context then that's good.GlennMagusHarvey said: Killaclown said: Some people hate dubs for "Americanizing" things but honestly that's how You're Under Arrest got fun.@GlennMagusHarvey Prison School dub apparently included Gamergate in it..... though yeah got off track lol But that's not even here nor there. Making blanket objections to any mention of a thing would be hypocritical for people who claim to support freedom of speech. Well freedom of speech is about letting ppl say what they want, not about having to like what they say lol |
Feb 3, 2018 1:18 PM
#205
Killaclown said: I usually take a "death of the author" view of creative media, in other words that if I feel it works then it does, for me at least, and you're free to disagree. Speculating about the intent of the author can be a bottomless pit of arguing and being unfun, so I don't much like that.GlennMagusHarvey said: though we don't know if that was their intention or not, personally I hope so.Killaclown said: GlennMagusHarvey said: never seen it but yeah it can be a good thing. Also the prison school girls are (almost) all man haters anyway so it kind of goes with their characterKillaclown said: Some people hate dubs for "Americanizing" things but honestly that's how You're Under Arrest got fun.@GlennMagusHarvey Prison School dub apparently included Gamergate in it..... though yeah got off track lol But that's not even here nor there. Making blanket objections to any mention of a thing would be hypocritical for people who claim to support freedom of speech. Well freedom of speech is about letting ppl say what they want, not about having to like what they say lol And I guess you're right, though that goes for everyone. |
Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
Feb 3, 2018 1:39 PM
#206
Political correctness is not going to be popular with the Japanese since they ignore the West's modern day notion of tolerance |
Feb 3, 2018 1:44 PM
#207
GlennMagusHarvey said: never heard that term but from context I can say thats a good way of looking at things and one I try and do as well, it's mainly just about the future that would be concerning. Never worried about anime with this stuff but I guess I never considered dubs, but I think it's to soon for people to be freaking out (just for anime, can still worry about it's effects elsewhere)Killaclown said: I usually take a "death of the author" view of creative media, in other words that if I feel it works then it does, for me at least, and you're free to disagree. Speculating about the intent of the author can be a bottomless pit of arguing and being unfun, so I don't much like that.GlennMagusHarvey said: Killaclown said: Well if it makes sense in context then that's good.GlennMagusHarvey said: never seen it but yeah it can be a good thing. Also the prison school girls are (almost) all man haters anyway so it kind of goes with their characterKillaclown said: Some people hate dubs for "Americanizing" things but honestly that's how You're Under Arrest got fun.@GlennMagusHarvey Prison School dub apparently included Gamergate in it..... though yeah got off track lol But that's not even here nor there. Making blanket objections to any mention of a thing would be hypocritical for people who claim to support freedom of speech. Well freedom of speech is about letting ppl say what they want, not about having to like what they say lol And I guess you're right, though that goes for everyone. Of course, like I wouldn't expect people to be cool with wonder woman saying anti-feminist stuff all of a sudden for example |
Feb 3, 2018 6:17 PM
#208
urpoutta said: Amazing, 5 pages of this. But here's a question, what's difference between SJW and anti-SJW? Nothing they're both groups that complain about trivial things on social media on their own circle jerks, think they're entitled to media and complain when things don't go like they want. Only amount of trolling and virtual-signaling differs. Bourmegar said: Luckily Devilman crybaby proved to be an succes but, what surprised me the most is that such a gory series managed to be controversy free at the moment. Bruh it's not even about the gory parts being problem, audience has become numb to gore in 20th century, it's now cool with teenagers to call it transphobic because Satan, tell each and every one how enlightened you're about all the problematic stuff in Devilman (which is pretty stupid because it's not even about the goriness but rape, sexualizing minors and something about abusive relationships because it's not yuri on ice) but still morally free to ogle at yaois because you're critical. Also shipping wars, not even actually between shippers of that fandom but just this antis vs. pro-shippers that is still a thing for some reason. tl;dr teenagers bitch fighting over their porn, normal people either admired the animation and music or thought it wasn't anything special. Expect that one Japanese dude who criticized Crybaby not being otaku only anime. Yh I should've have said Explicit instead of Gory, sorry about that. Plus I don't really have a problem with ppl shipping really. The only thing that bothers me about that is shows Ship-baiting. Plus the Anti-SJW crowd also seems to be firing at the wrong ppl. They actually blame SJW for the fall of the entertainment.................. |
Feb 3, 2018 6:46 PM
#209
Funimation has been putting their political views into dubs. Localization companies in videogames have been doing this, especialy nintendo's western branches. Xseed recently did an interview where they claimed to still be strictly against censorship then expressed an interest in getting japan to censor themselves. Japan has been trying to increase tourism and otaku culture is their largest export. They have already been under fire from their own government to gentrify. Every country has its omnipotent moral busybodies to contend with. For example: A bill was passed years back banning some fictional crime in manga https://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/tokyo-assembly-passes-bill-156-anti-anime-and-manga-bill-is-now-law/ If you want to help, this group is dedicated to fighting for free speech in Japan: http://www.jfsribbon.org/p/about-uguisu-ribbon-campaign.html |
Feb 3, 2018 6:52 PM
#210
Gundam29 said: Political correctness is not going to be popular with the Japanese since they ignore the West's modern day notion of tolerance what? japan is really strict about political correctness! shame culture is too strong there... remember a politician outraged because her hairstyle is radiculed in a certain cartooon? no that was not west, that was japan... elitism feodalistic bourjoism is still strong in the east... Mordeth_Kai said: For example: A bill was passed years back banning some fictional crime in manga https://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/tokyo-assembly-passes-bill-156-anti-anime-and-manga-bill-is-now-law/ that was is 2010 and has nothing to do with western or whatever... cencorship simply getting stricter over the years, thanks to concerned overprotective fater on japan parents.. remember when you still can depict sexual violance in weekly shounen jump? nobody remember? K |
KumaFeb 3, 2018 6:56 PM
Feb 4, 2018 1:40 AM
#211
Bourmegar said: Yh I should've have said Explicit instead of Gory, sorry about that. Plus I don't really have a problem with ppl shipping really. The only thing that bothers me about that is shows Ship-baiting. Plus the Anti-SJW crowd also seems to be firing at the wrong ppl. They actually blame SJW for the fall of the entertainment.................. I thought picking only gore of all things in Crybaby seemed a bit weird. I have no problem with shipping either, but I guess fandoms in general have only been affected by some SJW and that hasn't even show up in "mainstream" animanga scene (tho I might need to specify anti doesn't mean in shipping case anti-SJW, but just group that play moral police on what is okay in fiction aka support censorship too, like rape is big no no, they generally hold SJW beliefs and are keyboard warriors ready to insult fan artists for white washing, genderbends etc., extreme case of political correctness imo). Easy to ignore, same applies with anti-SJW too who aren't any better. |
Feb 4, 2018 9:49 AM
#212
People do realise that Japan has a long history of feminism, right? They had their own suffragette movement and have policies in place to support women in the workplace etc. A lot of their feminist movements were happening at the same time as movements elsewhere in the world. Sure there are problems like all countries but they are dealing with them. If anime suddenly becomes PC it won't necessarily be driven by the west. I love anime and manga and one of the appeals of it has always been the female characters and female creators. Compared to Western comics and cartoons there is a lot more that's appealing to women. For example compare Disney's Little Mermaid, a ridiculous story of a woman actually giving up her voice to be with some prince she never even spoke to, to Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind, a kick-ass woman who is intelligent, brave and not driven by unrealistic romance goals. Nausicaa came out several years before The Little Mermaid. A lot of my favourite mangas are written by women, whereas until fairly recently Western comics written by women were hard to find. When I was a female teenage animation fan anime and manga were a breath of fresh air. I doubt more recent Western outputs like Moana and Inside Out would have happened without an anime influence and anime proving that female-led stories can be popular. Anyone remember the way Cardcaptor Sakura became Cardcaptors to downplay the fact it had a female lead, while all the gay references were removed? Is that SJWs at work? Anime can be very progressive when it wants to be. Attitudes towards women in some anime and particularly in the anime fandom can be pretty embarrassing frankly and it's the main reason I don't tend to reveal to people that I'm an anime fan until I know them quite well or learn they are familiar with anime because I don't really want to be associated with a lot of what goes on, but I do know LOTS of feminist anime, manga and game fans both male and female who would not be scared of "SJWs" tinkering with their anime. |
Feb 4, 2018 12:00 PM
#213
Mousuke said: this is a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of those against anti-sjw people, the majority are totally fine with equality and badass women in our entertainment.... it's how they do it thats the problem, like building up women by tearing down men, ironically it's the racism and sexism they are against.People do realise that Japan has a long history of feminism, right? They had their own suffragette movement and have policies in place to support women in the workplace etc. A lot of their feminist movements were happening at the same time as movements elsewhere in the world. Sure there are problems like all countries but they are dealing with them. If anime suddenly becomes PC it won't necessarily be driven by the west. I love anime and manga and one of the appeals of it has always been the female characters and female creators. Compared to Western comics and cartoons there is a lot more that's appealing to women. For example compare Disney's Little Mermaid, a ridiculous story of a woman actually giving up her voice to be with some prince she never even spoke to, to Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind, a kick-ass woman who is intelligent, brave and not driven by unrealistic romance goals. Nausicaa came out several years before The Little Mermaid. A lot of my favourite mangas are written by women, whereas until fairly recently Western comics written by women were hard to find. When I was a female teenage animation fan anime and manga were a breath of fresh air. I doubt more recent Western outputs like Moana and Inside Out would have happened without an anime influence and anime proving that female-led stories can be popular. Anyone remember the way Cardcaptor Sakura became Cardcaptors to downplay the fact it had a female lead, while all the gay references were removed? Is that SJWs at work? Anime can be very progressive when it wants to be. Attitudes towards women in some anime and particularly in the anime fandom can be pretty embarrassing frankly and it's the main reason I don't tend to reveal to people that I'm an anime fan until I know them quite well or learn they are familiar with anime because I don't really want to be associated with a lot of what goes on, but I do know LOTS of feminist anime, manga and game fans both male and female who would not be scared of "SJWs" tinkering with their anime. Also the ruining of their hobbies of course, like it would get rid of the ecchi genre, which would also lead to the removal of yaoi and yuri since its there pretty much for the same reason, but they would probably be saved by some hypocrisy bs like usual |
Feb 4, 2018 12:18 PM
#214
Killaclown said: Mousuke said: this is a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of those against anti-sjw people, the majority are totally fine with equality and badass women in our entertainment.... it's how they do it thats the problem, like building up women by tearing down men, ironically it's the racism and sexism they are against.People do realise that Japan has a long history of feminism, right? They had their own suffragette movement and have policies in place to support women in the workplace etc. A lot of their feminist movements were happening at the same time as movements elsewhere in the world. Sure there are problems like all countries but they are dealing with them. If anime suddenly becomes PC it won't necessarily be driven by the west. I love anime and manga and one of the appeals of it has always been the female characters and female creators. Compared to Western comics and cartoons there is a lot more that's appealing to women. For example compare Disney's Little Mermaid, a ridiculous story of a woman actually giving up her voice to be with some prince she never even spoke to, to Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind, a kick-ass woman who is intelligent, brave and not driven by unrealistic romance goals. Nausicaa came out several years before The Little Mermaid. A lot of my favourite mangas are written by women, whereas until fairly recently Western comics written by women were hard to find. When I was a female teenage animation fan anime and manga were a breath of fresh air. I doubt more recent Western outputs like Moana and Inside Out would have happened without an anime influence and anime proving that female-led stories can be popular. Anyone remember the way Cardcaptor Sakura became Cardcaptors to downplay the fact it had a female lead, while all the gay references were removed? Is that SJWs at work? Anime can be very progressive when it wants to be. Attitudes towards women in some anime and particularly in the anime fandom can be pretty embarrassing frankly and it's the main reason I don't tend to reveal to people that I'm an anime fan until I know them quite well or learn they are familiar with anime because I don't really want to be associated with a lot of what goes on, but I do know LOTS of feminist anime, manga and game fans both male and female who would not be scared of "SJWs" tinkering with their anime. Also the ruining of their hobbies of course, like it would get rid of the ecchi genre, which would also lead to the removal of yaoi and yuri since its there pretty much for the same reason, but they would probably be saved by some hypocrisy bs like usual The problem is that people use SJW for anything slightly progressive. Like people claiming Yuri on Ice SJW. That's why people can't take you seriously. |
Feb 4, 2018 1:17 PM
#215
AdolChri said: with that kind of attitude anything "slightly progressive" is, you can't just describe a "group" (being anti something isn't really a group) by the worst unless you accept when it's done to you, that's just hypocriticalKillaclown said: Mousuke said: People do realise that Japan has a long history of feminism, right? They had their own suffragette movement and have policies in place to support women in the workplace etc. A lot of their feminist movements were happening at the same time as movements elsewhere in the world. Sure there are problems like all countries but they are dealing with them. If anime suddenly becomes PC it won't necessarily be driven by the west. I love anime and manga and one of the appeals of it has always been the female characters and female creators. Compared to Western comics and cartoons there is a lot more that's appealing to women. For example compare Disney's Little Mermaid, a ridiculous story of a woman actually giving up her voice to be with some prince she never even spoke to, to Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind, a kick-ass woman who is intelligent, brave and not driven by unrealistic romance goals. Nausicaa came out several years before The Little Mermaid. A lot of my favourite mangas are written by women, whereas until fairly recently Western comics written by women were hard to find. When I was a female teenage animation fan anime and manga were a breath of fresh air. I doubt more recent Western outputs like Moana and Inside Out would have happened without an anime influence and anime proving that female-led stories can be popular. Anyone remember the way Cardcaptor Sakura became Cardcaptors to downplay the fact it had a female lead, while all the gay references were removed? Is that SJWs at work? Anime can be very progressive when it wants to be. Attitudes towards women in some anime and particularly in the anime fandom can be pretty embarrassing frankly and it's the main reason I don't tend to reveal to people that I'm an anime fan until I know them quite well or learn they are familiar with anime because I don't really want to be associated with a lot of what goes on, but I do know LOTS of feminist anime, manga and game fans both male and female who would not be scared of "SJWs" tinkering with their anime. Also the ruining of their hobbies of course, like it would get rid of the ecchi genre, which would also lead to the removal of yaoi and yuri since its there pretty much for the same reason, but they would probably be saved by some hypocrisy bs like usual The problem is that people use SJW for anything slightly progressive. Like people claiming Yuri on Ice SJW. That's why people can't take you seriously. |
Feb 4, 2018 1:21 PM
#216
This fucking thread lmao It's full of "My ideology is what clowns on the internet tell me" |
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Feb 4, 2018 3:14 PM
#217
urpoutta said: Amazing, 5 pages of this. But here's a question, what's difference between SJW and anti-SJW? Nothing they're both groups that complain about trivial things on social media on their own circle jerks, think they're entitled to media and complain when things don't go like they want. Only amount of trolling and virtual-signaling differs. Bourmegar said: Luckily Devilman crybaby proved to be an succes but, what surprised me the most is that such a gory series managed to be controversy free at the moment. Bruh it's not even about the gory parts being problem, audience has become numb to gore in 20th century, it's now cool with teenagers to call it transphobic because Satan, tell each and every one how enlightened you're about all the problematic stuff in Devilman (which is pretty stupid because it's not even about the goriness but rape, sexualizing minors and something about abusive relationships because it's not yuri on ice) but still morally free to ogle at yaois because you're critical. Also shipping wars, not even actually between shippers of that fandom but just this antis vs. pro-shippers that is still a thing for some reason. tl;dr teenagers bitch fighting over their porn, normal people either admired the animation and music or thought it wasn't anything special. Expect that one Japanese dude who criticized Crybaby not being otaku only anime. Yh I should've have said Explicit instead of Gory, sorry about that. Plus I don't really have a problem with ppl shipping really. The only thing that bothers me about that is shows Ship-baiting. Plus the Anti-SJW crowd also seems to be firing at the wrong ppl. They actually blame SJW for the fall of the entertainment.................. urpoutta said: Bourmegar said: Yh I should've have said Explicit instead of Gory, sorry about that. Plus I don't really have a problem with ppl shipping really. The only thing that bothers me about that is shows Ship-baiting. Plus the Anti-SJW crowd also seems to be firing at the wrong ppl. They actually blame SJW for the fall of the entertainment.................. I thought picking only gore of all things in Crybaby seemed a bit weird. I have no problem with shipping either, but I guess fandoms in general have only been affected by some SJW and that hasn't even show up in "mainstream" animanga scene (tho I might need to specify anti doesn't mean in shipping case anti-SJW, but just group that play moral police on what is okay in fiction aka support censorship too, like rape is big no no, they generally hold SJW beliefs and are keyboard warriors ready to insult fan artists for white washing, genderbends etc., extreme case of political correctness imo). Easy to ignore, same applies with anti-SJW too who aren't any better. Well Anime and Manga has been untouched by these "SJWs" really. Only some Dubs had that but they are only a very few of them. I understand that they want equality but their actions are just not ok in my book. Heck I will give you some of examples of fans going to far: - Tokyo ghould author got death threads for making Touken happen http://goboiano.com/tokyo-ghoul-fans-demand-ishida-commit-suicide-after-new-chapter/ - a Fan artist got attacked for making fan art of dream daddy where the person turned them into Women and yh when it comes to Racewashing I ask this: WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT SKIN COLOR THE CHARACTER HAS? |
Feb 5, 2018 12:10 AM
#218
Neet said: ...you see a lot more gay characters or "trap" characters etc nowadays. But that's not SJW though. SJW content is politically charged, in your face, bullshit that's designed to give you a moral lesson instead of entertaining. A black character is simply a character in a normal show, but in an SJW series its a BLACK character and they have to make a big deal out of the fact the character is black. SJW also like to tell you not only what content can be in your shows, but how to "appropriately" present it too. No one fears more women or homosexual characters in their entertainment but everyone fears the SJW and there's a reason: They're lunatics. Its sort of like how Hunger Games, Resident Evil, Underworld, which have female MCs, are popular, but the new Ghostbusters was avoided like the plague. The first 3 are regular movies people enjoy, the last one is a crappy political movie that makes you want to bash your head against a wall. |
Feb 5, 2018 3:40 AM
#219
Gabriel_P_Forest said: Neet said: ...you see a lot more gay characters or "trap" characters etc nowadays. But that's not SJW though. SJW content is politically charged, in your face, bullshit that's designed to give you a moral lesson instead of entertaining. A lot of fiction does it. Entertainment is also subjective. Top rated anime on this site is FMA. Do you think there are no moral lessons in FMA? Its sort of like how Hunger Games lul if you think Hunger Games isn't politically charged you need to read some of the author's interviews. |
Feb 5, 2018 4:29 AM
#220
AdolChri said: Gabriel_P_Forest said: Neet said: ...you see a lot more gay characters or "trap" characters etc nowadays. But that's not SJW though. SJW content is politically charged, in your face, bullshit that's designed to give you a moral lesson instead of entertaining. A lot of fiction does it. Entertainment is also subjective. Top rated anime on this site is FMA. Do you think there are no moral lessons in FMA? Its sort of like how Hunger Games lul if you think Hunger Games isn't politically charged you need to read some of the author's interviews. Thank you! Cause I was going to say just that. Miyazaki might as well be wearing a hat that says "Giant SJW" according to this community because almost every single one of his movies is a statement. Miyazaki movies have very well written women and girls. He says Japan should appologize to China. Both he and Anno have spoken on things like nuclear fear that runs deep in them. And these are themes strongly expressed in their works. "Miyazaki confessed that he dislikes “American culture” and the “American lifestyle” based on mass production and mass consumption. That American culture has deeply influenced Japan."- Americans have deeply influenced Japan because we are there all the time and influencing policy and culture. And if you don't think Japan is highly consumer oriented... honestly one of the more capitalist countries? I mean where do you think they get that from? Not admitting your war crimes and massive consumption is what Americans do best. If the bomb isn't the biggest influence for anime.... and why anime became so popular around the world do to imitating that Disney artstyle... which is also american but doing it cheaper... I don't know what is. The world anime comes from Animation. The actual country people are scared of Japan becoming is possibly Germany<--- honestly especially Germany. Or Australia. XD |
Energetic-NovaFeb 5, 2018 4:48 AM
The anime community in a nutshell. |
Feb 5, 2018 5:39 AM
#221
Bourmegar said: urpoutta said: Amazing, 5 pages of this. But here's a question, what's difference between SJW and anti-SJW? Nothing they're both groups that complain about trivial things on social media on their own circle jerks, think they're entitled to media and complain when things don't go like they want. Only amount of trolling and virtual-signaling differs. Bourmegar said: Luckily Devilman crybaby proved to be an succes but, what surprised me the most is that such a gory series managed to be controversy free at the moment. Bruh it's not even about the gory parts being problem, audience has become numb to gore in 20th century, it's now cool with teenagers to call it transphobic because Satan, tell each and every one how enlightened you're about all the problematic stuff in Devilman (which is pretty stupid because it's not even about the goriness but rape, sexualizing minors and something about abusive relationships because it's not yuri on ice) but still morally free to ogle at yaois because you're critical. Also shipping wars, not even actually between shippers of that fandom but just this antis vs. pro-shippers that is still a thing for some reason. tl;dr teenagers bitch fighting over their porn, normal people either admired the animation and music or thought it wasn't anything special. Expect that one Japanese dude who criticized Crybaby not being otaku only anime. Yh I should've have said Explicit instead of Gory, sorry about that. Plus I don't really have a problem with ppl shipping really. The only thing that bothers me about that is shows Ship-baiting. Plus the Anti-SJW crowd also seems to be firing at the wrong ppl. They actually blame SJW for the fall of the entertainment.................. urpoutta said: Bourmegar said: Yh I should've have said Explicit instead of Gory, sorry about that. Plus I don't really have a problem with ppl shipping really. The only thing that bothers me about that is shows Ship-baiting. Plus the Anti-SJW crowd also seems to be firing at the wrong ppl. They actually blame SJW for the fall of the entertainment.................. I thought picking only gore of all things in Crybaby seemed a bit weird. I have no problem with shipping either, but I guess fandoms in general have only been affected by some SJW and that hasn't even show up in "mainstream" animanga scene (tho I might need to specify anti doesn't mean in shipping case anti-SJW, but just group that play moral police on what is okay in fiction aka support censorship too, like rape is big no no, they generally hold SJW beliefs and are keyboard warriors ready to insult fan artists for white washing, genderbends etc., extreme case of political correctness imo). Easy to ignore, same applies with anti-SJW too who aren't any better. Well Anime and Manga has been untouched by these "SJWs" really. Only some Dubs had that but they are only a very few of them. I understand that they want equality but their actions are just not ok in my book. Heck I will give you some of examples of fans going to far: - Tokyo ghould author got death threads for making Touken happen http://goboiano.com/tokyo-ghoul-fans-demand-ishida-commit-suicide-after-new-chapter/ - a Fan artist got attacked for making fan art of dream daddy where the person turned them into Women and yh when it comes to Racewashing I ask this: WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT SKIN COLOR THE CHARACTER HAS? Why does the race shouldn't matter ? Actually every character feature is very important to his identity, physical characeristics are as important as character personnality, it's basically the way anybody can recognize him and even identity to him. |
Feb 5, 2018 9:57 AM
#222
_Hero_ said: not sure which part i should find more offensive :pAnti-SJWs should replace clowns in circuses tbh, it would be a job that would suit them best. |
Feb 5, 2018 12:19 PM
#223
Bourmegar said: I understand that they want equality but their actions are just not ok in my book. Heck I will give you some of examples of fans going to far: - Tokyo ghould author got death threads for making Touken happen http://goboiano.com/tokyo-ghoul-fans-demand-ishida-commit-suicide-after-new-chapter/ - a Fan artist got attacked for making fan art of dream daddy where the person turned them into Women Other examples to include: - Steven universe fandom has history of being just toxic, least awful cases being starting witch hunts over character's sexuality and "white washing" space rocks, I remember people attacked one Japanese fan artist over it - Voltron fandom is same, attacking a voice actor over some joke and fan art and that's just one case of their shenanigans - Possibly Undertale needle cookie Most anime fandoms behave somewhat better, last I heard some MHA "fans" going on and on how they wish Horikoshi to die, something about sexualizing teenagers and yh when it comes to Racewashing I ask this: WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT SKIN COLOR THE CHARACTER HAS? It's the easiest way to show how good person you are while staying comfortably inside your house having access to your computer, caring about fictional chacters |
konkeloFeb 5, 2018 12:26 PM
Feb 5, 2018 12:30 PM
#224
Yeah, let's see... Kannagi, FGO artist getting death threats, Sakura and Rukia shippers, people making fake twitters to discredit YoI's author, Kuroko no Basket's author getting death threats for years, Aya Hirano... I could go on for days. The whole fixation on TG's author is honestly hilarious, I wonder what makes it different from the others shittorms of similar types. I just can't quite point my finger on it, hmmmmmm. |
Feb 5, 2018 2:09 PM
#225
AdolChri said: Yeah, let's see... Kannagi, FGO artist getting death threats, Sakura and Rukia shippers, people making fake twitters to discredit YoI's author, Kuroko no Basket's author getting death threats for years, Aya Hirano... I could go on for days. The whole fixation on TG's author is honestly hilarious, I wonder what makes it different from the others shittorms of similar types. I just can't quite point my finger on it, hmmmmmm. Somewhat is a key word here, and only in western fandom parts. At least I haven't heard any anime fandoms here attacking teenage girl over fan art in every social media account just because she was racist/transphobic/sexualizing minors/fatphobic/cultural approriating/insert any other buzzword, creating blogs just to collect every "problematic" thing she has done in past and after hearing her trying to kill herself celebrating in social media. And when show's creators were against the bullying they started to call those who work on the show pedophiles/racists/transphobes etc. But don't get me wrong, all fandoms are shit and waste of time. And why people focus on TG is mostly because it was done by westerner fans, on social media, easier to follow and see by your own eyes. |
konkeloFeb 5, 2018 2:16 PM
Feb 5, 2018 2:36 PM
#226
-Elegant- said: Well, just wondering how much prejudice de SJW made in the west with cartoons (compare the disney cartoons from 10, 20, 30, 50 yrs ago with the ones of nowadays), hollywood movies, politics, universities, broadcast news, youtube, facebook (social media in general) and in comics (marvel example), even in the game market these mother****** are destroying it, "durr, i'm a youtuber gamer girl, i want the same popularity as Pewdiepie, the ad-sense full of cash, we are a minority here, we want male privileges but not the same duties". But i see that Japan does not care too much about it, i saw some animes that show pervert acts, man beating women, no minority or racial quota for the cast, harem with male protagonists and 3, 4 or more girls; objectification of female characters (aka fan service), animal beating, swear words, gore and gruesome scenes, stereotypes, incest, loli fetish, hentai, etc. And i gotta admit, it is because of this, the no concern for UN, sjw, globalists, feminists and left-wings that makes anime great, screw these scums, they DON'T need to filter the words or acts of its characters to please feminists, racial minority, sjw, etc. But my concern remains, will Japan fall like these other or will still remain strong against it? Anime became so much popular in the west, and it might get contaminated by our problems, , when anime come here the government or companies censorship a lot of the original scenes, changing even some stories of the anime, i really dont wanna see animes ending up as a educative political correct show. Not sure it will happen anytime soon. Anime makers cater to a niche audience. They are not trying to cater to everyone.Unlike America from what I understand Japanese tv shows pay to be on tv and make their money selling overpriced DVDs and blurays. I don't think they'll risk their profit margin just to cater to social justice warrior tards. It isn't like in America where commercials pay for the shows |
Feb 5, 2018 2:46 PM
#227
-Elegant- said: Well, just wondering how much prejudice de SJW made in the west with cartoons (compare the disney cartoons from 10, 20, 30, 50 yrs ago with the ones of nowadays), hollywood movies, politics, universities, broadcast news, youtube, facebook (social media in general) and in comics (marvel example), even in the game market these mother****** are destroying it, "durr, i'm a youtuber gamer girl, i want the same popularity as Pewdiepie, the ad-sense full of cash, we are a minority here, we want male privileges but not the same duties". But i see that Japan does not care too much about it, i saw some animes that show pervert acts, man beating women, no minority or racial quota for the cast, harem with male protagonists and 3, 4 or more girls; objectification of female characters (aka fan service), animal beating, swear words, gore and gruesome scenes, stereotypes, incest, loli fetish, hentai, etc. And i gotta admit, it is because of this, the no concern for UN, sjw, globalists, feminists and left-wings that makes anime great, screw these scums, they DON'T need to filter the words or acts of its characters to please feminists, racial minority, sjw, etc. But my concern remains, will Japan fall like these other or will still remain strong against it? Anime became so much popular in the west, and it might get contaminated by our problems, , when anime come here the government or companies censorship a lot of the original scenes, changing even some stories of the anime, i really dont wanna see animes ending up as a educative political correct show. Can I add you as my friend? I have trouble finding other people who aren't tainted by political correctness. |
I like to live every day like it's my last.....and by that, I mean lying in a puddle of my own urine, calling for the nurse to bring me more pudding. |
Feb 5, 2018 2:48 PM
#228
youseiki said: would be nice if they implement their political ideology to east country where women has a weak standing than to mess up with the anime industry, but I'm just gonna wait for hate rants against Darling in the Franxxx lol Literal robots driven by Thot-Control |
I like to live every day like it's my last.....and by that, I mean lying in a puddle of my own urine, calling for the nurse to bring me more pudding. |
Feb 5, 2018 4:18 PM
#229
Why are you so obsessed with SJWs? Who knows. |
Crying doesn't mean you're weak. Enduring doesn't mean you're strong. |
Feb 5, 2018 5:04 PM
#230
AdolChri said: Yeah, let's see... Kannagi, FGO artist getting death threats, Sakura and Rukia shippers, people making fake twitters to discredit YoI's author, Kuroko no Basket's author getting death threats for years, Aya Hirano... I could go on for days. The whole fixation on TG's author is honestly hilarious, I wonder what makes it different from the others shittorms of similar types. I just can't quite point my finger on it, hmmmmmm. Well the Scale and Location really. TG is pretty big and the outcries came from the west and thus easier for us to find. And From the ones you have mentionned, Kannagi is the most stupid one. I mean flipping over a Female character not being a virgin.... Someone made a thread here on MAL because I asked him why ppl Flipped about the Kanagi girl not being a virgin and guess what some ppl answered with? Actual objectification.... And yh Fanbases tend to be pretty bad. RWBY seems to have a huge shipping war, Sonic Fanbase is fragmented, Voltron fans TRIED TO BLACKMAIL THE CREATORS IN ORDER FOR A SHIP TO HAPPEN!!!!, Naruto Fans tried to get Naruto banned coz of NaruHina and more. At least there are some less terrible fanbases like JoJo and Danganronpa... |
Feb 6, 2018 1:34 AM
#231
AdolChri said: A lot of fiction does it. Entertainment is also subjective. Top rated anime on this site is FMA. Do you think there are no moral lessons in FMA? lul if you think Hunger Games isn't politically charged you need to read some of the author's interviews. Of course there's politics in it, but its not SJW politics. How can I explain this... Its not the message but how its delivered. Case in point, when they made Deadshot black in Suicide Squad, outside of a few atl-righters, no one cared. Why? Because the character's ethnicity isn't a big part of who he is and the change was made because they wanted to cast a star (Will Smith) and had found one that was right for the role. But when they cast a black woman for Domino in Deadpool 2, everyone lost their shit. Why? Because Domino's skin color (Literally snow white) is an integral part of her character's aesthetic and they essentially decided to not put makeup on the actress, destroying the character, simply to be able to say "Hey look, I'm black." They also destroyed Domino's elegant and gothic look in favor of a clunky 80s sci-fi cosplay so it would work better with her afro because "Hey, she's black". That's the difference and that's why people hate SJWs. |
Feb 6, 2018 2:37 AM
#232
Feb 6, 2018 4:26 AM
#233
Gabriel_P_Forest said: AdolChri said: A lot of fiction does it. Entertainment is also subjective. Top rated anime on this site is FMA. Do you think there are no moral lessons in FMA? lul if you think Hunger Games isn't politically charged you need to read some of the author's interviews. Of course there's politics in it, but its not SJW politics. How can I explain this... Its not the message but how its delivered. Case in point, when they made Deadshot black in Suicide Squad, outside of a few atl-righters, no one cared. Why? Because the character's ethnicity isn't a big part of who he is and the change was made because they wanted to cast a star (Will Smith) and had found one that was right for the role. But when they cast a black woman for Domino in Deadpool 2, everyone lost their shit. Why? Because Domino's skin color (Literally snow white) is an integral part of her character's aesthetic and they essentially decided to not put makeup on the actress, destroying the character, simply to be able to say "Hey look, I'm black." They also destroyed Domino's elegant and gothic look in favor of a clunky 80s sci-fi cosplay so it would work better with her afro because "Hey, she's black". That's the difference and that's why people hate SJWs. Same can be said aboutb L in the Live action Deathnote movie, L's aesthetic in the manga and Anime was of a anti-social oddball with his big eyes and pale white skin, slender body and just overal unattractive body. The movie on the other hand Made him look Handsome and thus not as a shut-in nerd. Nick Fury on the other hand..... Well you just can't go wrong with the bad ass Samuel L Jackson. But hey The MCU dioes it good and the Deathnote Failed hard. In the end most ppl only complain about such things when the movies and series do a poor job of it in the end. |
Feb 6, 2018 4:58 AM
#234
I'm still laughing hard at @-Elegant- who clearly abandonned his thread after Pullman posted. Did he realize it wouldn't be the peaceful conspiratist circlejerk he was hoping for? You didn't live up to your name, OP. OT: I doubt anyone can be that ignorant and blind (your examples really are absolutely terrible), so... What's the point of this thread? Baiting? Nice job, 5 pages and still running. |
Feb 6, 2018 5:07 AM
#235
SJWs need to stop taking entertainment seriously. It's not the end of the world if a game/show/film/cartoon/anime/book/manga/novel has attractive females or other mature stuff such as violence,sex,swearing,religious themes, and political themes. If an SJW wants to ban something. They should ban stuff like A Serbian Film,Where The Dead Go To Die,3 films of The Vomit Gore series,and a manga called Mai Chan's Daily Life. |
Feb 6, 2018 5:15 AM
#236
Clebardman said: I'm still laughing hard at @-Elegant- who clearly abandonned his thread after Pullman posted. Did he realize it wouldn't be the peaceful conspiratist circlejerk he was hoping for? You didn't live up to your name, OP. OT: I doubt anyone can be that ignorant and blind (your examples really are absolutely terrible), so... What's the point of this thread? Baiting? Nice job, 5 pages and still running. Probably. The truth is just that political correctness can go to far but being pc is not bad. Marvel is doing badly because of bad writing, not SJW and etc. But ppl don't want to look at writing and just bash groups because that is easy. Plus Devilman Crybaby, one of the most explicit anime could only be like that because it was made for Netflix, a thing from the west, Yuasa even admitted that. |
Feb 6, 2018 9:37 AM
#237
Clebardman said: I'm still laughing hard at @-Elegant- who clearly abandonned his thread after Pullman posted. Did he realize it wouldn't be the peaceful conspiratist circlejerk he was hoping for? You didn't live up to your name, OP. OT: I doubt anyone can be that ignorant and blind (your examples really are absolutely terrible), so... What's the point of this thread? Baiting? Nice job, 5 pages and still running. You must be really seeking for my attention buddy, well, there is no need for me to be replying over and over anything that someone complains about the post, there were already a lot of good fellows that made that job for me and i thank them for that. And it is not like i'm gonna write a wall of arguments for that since it would end up into an endless counter arguments circle, so over than that i plan to just enjoy some good animes for now. |
Feb 6, 2018 1:27 PM
#238
urpoutta said: AdolChri said: Yeah, let's see... Kannagi, FGO artist getting death threats, Sakura and Rukia shippers, people making fake twitters to discredit YoI's author, Kuroko no Basket's author getting death threats for years, Aya Hirano... I could go on for days. The whole fixation on TG's author is honestly hilarious, I wonder what makes it different from the others shittorms of similar types. I just can't quite point my finger on it, hmmmmmm. Somewhat is a key word here, and only in western fandom parts. At least I haven't heard any anime fandoms here attacking teenage girl over fan art in every social media account just because she was racist/transphobic/sexualizing minors/fatphobic/cultural approriating/insert any other buzzword, creating blogs just to collect every "problematic" thing she has done in past and after hearing her trying to kill herself celebrating in social media. And when show's creators were against the bullying they started to call those who work on the show pedophiles/racists/transphobes etc. I don't know about the anime fandom, but I'm pretty sure the western gaming fandoms are quite good at this and I can tell you, not many of them are SJW like. Heck, go check kiwi farm right ow. |
AdolChriFeb 6, 2018 1:32 PM
Feb 7, 2018 1:28 AM
#239
@-Elegant- >Makes a discussion thread >Doesn't want to discuss Hmmmm... Nah, I don't see the logic, I still think you know your arguments were hilariously bad and you'd get rekt if you tried, so it's safer to hide behind others. |
Feb 7, 2018 1:40 AM
#240
Feb 7, 2018 1:42 AM
#241
Why hasn’t this thread died already |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Feb 7, 2018 8:39 AM
#242
Comic_Sans said: Why hasn’t this thread died already SJW seems to be an hot topic I guess.... Plus ppl arguing.... |
Nov 16, 2018 9:11 PM
#243
well the sjws got the gate opean for others sony opening it for the other sjws anime will be effcted since thaire japaness games are being censored by sony now its a matter of time before they invade anime and manga |
Nov 16, 2018 9:11 PM
#244
well the sjws got the gate opean for others sony opening it for the other sjws anime will be effcted since thaire japaness games are being censored by sony now its a matter of time before they invade anime and manga |
Nov 16, 2018 9:28 PM
#245
goddamn nerds that only see the world through the lens of cartoons... go learn some real politics, pussies |
Nov 17, 2018 3:59 AM
#246
The problems of the United States belong to the United States, the other countries don't care about them. Anime have infinite varieties of characters and settings so it doesn't matter in the first place |
ElfezenNov 17, 2018 5:09 AM
Nov 17, 2018 4:10 AM
#247
Chiibi said: The good news is, they can't because Japan doesn't give a f*ck. XD Wrong. Yuri on Ice is a far-left nightmare. And it sold like hotcakes. cageofroses said: Chiibi said: cageofroses said: Also can I get some examples of 'sjws' ruining cartoons and movies and stuff or are you just complaining about people that don't usually get represented.... being represented? SJWs actually did get a video game censored so people are paranoid the same thing could happen to anime. >_> Man, one whole game huh. You wanna give me the name of it? Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 of the top of my head. I'm sure there are more examples. EDIT: Shit, this is an old thread. Well, whatever, my post isn't off topic or anything. Sorry for replying to old posts. ProfessionalNEET said: God, I'm really getting sick of people saying "Oh no SJW's are gonna ruin muh animu any day now" and use like 3 anime dubs (Dragon Maid, My First Girlfriend is a Gal, and Prision School) as their "evidence". Even if Japan were to start being influenced by modern feminism and stuff like that (which I imagine they already have been to some extent), as long as anime tiddies and lolis and shit continue to make money, the industry will continue to make anime with those sorts of things. Anime is a business, and business is driven by commerce, not by social ideals. Besides, some things like lolis have already been controversial in Japan (not just in the west) for awhile now. Why do you imagine that Japan has been influenced by feminism? Is it that inevitable that conservatism is to die in every first world country? How far down this leftist hellhole must we all fall? |
removed-userNov 17, 2018 4:16 AM
Nov 17, 2018 4:19 AM
#248
HeroicIdealism said: Chiibi said: The good news is, they can't because Japan doesn't give a f*ck. XD Wrong. Yuri on Ice is a far-left nightmare. And it sold like hotcakes. How the hell is Yuri on Ice far-left? |
Nov 17, 2018 4:21 AM
#249
Never. Anime and manga are anti-SJW. |
All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
Nov 17, 2018 4:25 AM
#250
Nurguburu said: Never. Anime and manga are anti-SJW. Yeah... no. I can get that you don't find certain specific social/political debates in anime that are more common in the Western culture, but anime is rarely if at all shown to be against what you call SJW. |
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