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| So that finally explains why they didn't just destroy Toak in the past as they were the causes of every major event that causes the human-AI war. I feel satisfied now. The twist is good and, while I do question how does Matsumoto can still exist in this timeline if the professor failed in sending him to the past this time, I can't wait to see the reason for Archive's decision. From the next episode's preview and the message we saw from Diva's creator it will be connected to the concept of 'heart' and, obviously, her song. Hopefully we will get to hear her sing it! I wonder what was the inspiration for the song in her original timeline, when there was no Singularity project as well as her reason for retiring. Or maybe the original timeline was lost the moment the past was changed? I hope we will dwell on this details more until the end. |
| Noir… It is the name of an ancient fate. Two sisters who watch anime. The peace of the newly born, their black hands protect. |
| Well you see the timeline is changed but the war between ai and humans can’t change its up to vivy matsumoto. I hope they resolve the problem, great episode. |
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| Could you say Elizabeth succeeded in her original original mission to become a clone? Even if it's of herself? |
| Glad to see Elizabeth again, seems like her data was stored in the Toak Servers. Matsumoto meets his master, really good for him. They're real alike. The action scenes with the amazing OST were fabulous. Enjoyed this a lot. It's all up to Vivy to save the earth (mankind) Probably by sacrifing herself or something else. |
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| Ok so the ending part of the episode makes me think that Archive used Vivy's song as a stepping stone for AI domination as it was the first thing an AI did without being told to... so that makes sense that the AIs sing her song and why Diva/Vivy was "immune" to it even though she's was always in contat with Archive |
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| All those rogue AI chanting that song is hella creepy. This episode was just as brutal as the scenes from the very first episode. Elizabeth is alive?!?!?! Surprising to see, but she has no recollection on what happened on the Sunrise I didn't expect the archive to be part of the problem or perhaps be the cause of it all. LilyWhiteheart said: Ok so the ending part of the episode makes me think that Archive used Vivy's song as a stepping stone for AI domination as it was the first thing an AI did without being told to... so that makes sense that the AIs sing her song and why Diva/Vivy was "immune" to it even though she's was always in contat with Archive That does make sense as she wrote the song while being connected with the Archive. I hadn't looked at it that way yet |
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| In the preview for ep 12 it seems Vivy is saying "This is the only way" to Matsumoto. Feels like a farewell before some sort of sacrifice she's about to do. I'm worried and sad but deep down I'm mentally and emotionally prepared for what she's going to do. Fulfil your duty and destiny Vivy. |
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Janethan23 said: In the preview for ep 12 it seems Vivy is saying "This is the only way" to Matsumoto That gives me Avengers InfinityWar/Endgame vibes |
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| Really dark episode with everyone dying around them. This episode really cleared a lot of things up, but one question I have is how did Yugo survive all of those years? Like how did he become an AI? Two more episodes til the end and Im excited to see how it all ends. |
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ElPsyKongroo69 said: It completely ignores the time paradox What time paradox since they are in a different universe created by the previous time travel? |
| Vivy is really a well written show every episode feel like 5 min this episode was no exception, Let's see how this show ends, Anyway Vivy will die at the end for sure |
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| if the reason archive did that was because of vivy, then what's the reason they did that in original timeline. damn this anime always surprises me. |
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| Dang, never would have thought for this to take the terminator route basically, archive = skynet |
V4ker said: Shimai_ni said: The twist is good and, while I do question how does Matsumoto can still exist in this timeline if the professor failed in sending him to the past this time, I can't wait to see the reason for Archive's decision. Answer is covered within a question, why wouldn't Matsumoto exist if professor sent him in original timeline and that fact hasn't changed? They're on completely different timeline created by their actions now, nothing happening here changes past of original timeline I guess it depends how you view the existence of parallel universes. If you see them all as mutually coexisting at once and Matsumoto as a temporary breach from one to the other, then yes, that doesn't affect anything. On the other hand, if you view them as branches of infinite possibilities that cease to exist once a choice is made, because only the chosen one becomes reality, then without ensuring his existence, in other words making the doctor press the start button, his existence becomes a paradox. |
| Noir… It is the name of an ancient fate. Two sisters who watch anime. The peace of the newly born, their black hands protect. |
| Although this episode definitely does not compare to the last episode, it was still a great episode. No way Beth is still alive after all this time, I thought she was for sure gone, but I guess she's still here. I'm very excited to see how ViVy plans to deal with all the Human vs AI drama, and if she can finally settle this 100 year development. |
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Shimai_ni said: V4ker said: Answer is covered within a question, why wouldn't Matsumoto exist if professor sent him in original timeline and that fact hasn't changed? They're on completely different timeline created by their actions now, nothing happening here changes past of original timeline I guess it depends how you view the existence of parallel universes. If you see them all as mutually coexisting at once and Matsumoto as a temporary breach from one to the other, then yes, that doesn't affect anything. On the other hand, if you view them as branches of infinite possibilities that cease to exist once a choice is made, because only the chosen one becomes reality, then without ensuring his existence, in other words making the doctor press the start button, his existence becomes a paradox. That's not how the infinite branches theory works. In an infinitely branching timeline all variations continuously exist in parallel. One doesn't cease existing just cause a different choice was made. |
| The final arc is here bois!! That's why I love me some time loop Anime as everything makes sense at the end. |
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| Wanted to see a bit more of the slaughter, some of these kills were lol fuel. And nice to see Elizabeth again. |
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nick_kun said:  Make this an emoji or something! Jokes aside, AI's aside, Humans aside, Toak aside, guess what, it was Archive this whole time! This is crazy! Archive VS Humanity And A Bunch Of AIs So here are some questions to which i want an answer. 1) Every AI not updated via Archive did not go berserk. So why Vivy was the only exception? 2) Who helped Kakitani from the past with the future weapons and why there was a sudden personality change in him? (a gentle side towards AIs) I feel like I am missing some particular point :| 1. Vivy wasn't affected because she's the source of the code (song) that drove the AI's go berserk. She's the original singularity. 2. Yet to be revealed but my wild guess would be Archive. |
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| See people? Updates are evil! Windows 10 auto-updates will be the death of us all. Joking aside another amazing episode. |
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ImmortalZero said: wait a minute, i just updated my windows 10. See people? Updates are evil! Windows 10 auto-updates will be the death of us all. Joking aside another amazing episode. It was good, my life •́ ‿ ,•̀ |
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| Thought Terminator vibes before, but honestly, gives me more IRobot vibes then anything, with how it seems one particular system has decided this/gone rouge, while not all have. Interesting. |
| In the comment section of the previous episode I speculated that Vivy's song was the catalyst that made the AIs / robots go homicidal crazy. "The first song written by an AI of their own free will" is not exactly an insignificant feat, and apparently it made the AIs mad due to an express dose of self-awareness or something. I still think this is the case, while the "Archive" (the "aggregate AI database", i.e. a kind of Borg-ian Collective) serves as the means, the central hub, of the aforementioned "infection". Vivy wrote (and saved, perhaps with a public access?) her song in the Archive after all. I think in the original timeline Vivy's song is also the reason the robots went mad. It just took Vivy longer to write her song, since she was stashed in the museum much earlier and thus lacked the "life" lessons, experience and growth of the second timeline (but still had her primary "How to put her heart into singing" command that drove the creation of the song). To understand why the AIs would go mad (probably not individually but their "collective consciousness" that is the Archive) after listening to Vivy's song (which must be the song the title refers to) imagine how the first humans must have felt when they first heard music - not the "music" of nature but man made music. They surely must have been enchanted. Well, in this analogy the music of humans is kind of like the music of nature for the AIs; they understand it but it does not quite "register" with them, because it was not created by their own kind and -perhaps more importantly- they have always been familiar with it, just like pre-music humans were always familiar with the "music" of nature. But now one of them just wrote their very first piece of music! It's like moving directly from singing birds to Mozart's Magic Flute! What I still don't get though is the extremely unlikely coincidence(?) of the robots going mad on the exact same date (and time?) in both timelines. That doesn't make sense at all. The second timeline has had multiple variables which should have made it diverge much, much more extensively from the original one. This repeated diverging and subsequent reconverging of the second timeline with the first that we've seen in basically every episode so far frankly makes no sense at all, neither narrative nor logic wise. Aule90 said: They weren't singing it in the original timeline (episode 1), though. And if you remember, hearing Vivy's song from the rogue A.I's was what threw Doctor Matumoto off, while he was executing the singularity project. Which means he would've failed to do so this time. I thought that in the original timeline the creators might have edited out the singing bits so that they don't spoil us (i.e. they were still singing but off-screen). However I did't take into account that Dr Matsumoto was thrown off by the singing and he would have failed to send AI Matsumoto back in time had "he" and Vivy not intervened. That one is troublesome, and indeed it might suggest that Vivy wrote no song in the original timeline or, even if she did, it did not affect the AIs and the Archive, perhaps because it was less potent. However, no matter how it happened in the original timeline (original that we know of, it might have been the third, fifth or tenth timeline..) I still feel that Vivy with her "singing from the heart" command must have been the unwitting cause, the "spark" of the disaster; in both (or all) timelines. Vivy's creator basically gave her the mission of cracking the mystery of the human soul (or heart in the abstract sense), a very tall order that if she could accomplish perhaps she could develop or gain a soul. That mission, and its effect on the Archive and the other AIs, is almost certainly the cause of the disaster. So why was Vivy the only one (Beth was not immune, she just did't access the Archive) who was immune to the madness? Maybe because she is the only one who actually -and "naturally"- developed a soul. The others were just infected with a crude simulation of it, a kind of "soul virus". |
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Red_Ranger_Wien said: Shimai_ni said: I guess it depends how you view the existence of parallel universes. If you see them all as mutually coexisting at once and Matsumoto as a temporary breach from one to the other, then yes, that doesn't affect anything. On the other hand, if you view them as branches of infinite possibilities that cease to exist once a choice is made, because only the chosen one becomes reality, then without ensuring his existence, in other words making the doctor press the start button, his existence becomes a paradox. That's not how the infinite branches theory works. In an infinitely branching timeline all variations continuously exist in parallel. One doesn't cease existing just cause a different choice was made. What I meant is that the possibilities cease to exist once the choice is made. For the current reality the rest of them are no longer possible, and from that branch's subjective view point, never existed in the first place. In this case, Matsumoto being in the branch after his trip to the past becomes reality, leaves him to the "laws" of the current world in which he came out of nowhere because his existence wasn't ensured, as he was never sent to the past in the first place. I understand where you are coming from though. This is a bit of a clash between time travel and branching so, naturally, there would be holes in my reasoning. The first one was leaning more on parallel worlds reasoning and the other on time travel. |
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ElPsyKongroo69 said: alshu said: What time paradox since they are in a different universe created by the previous time travel? That's my point. Since they're in a different universe, there was no point in the doctor sending them back in time since his timeline would remain completely unaffected. If you rewatch the episode you'll see in this timeline he didn't press the button to send Matsumoto. |
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nick_kun said: lolImmortalZero said: wait a minute, i just updated my windows 10. See people? Updates are evil! Windows 10 auto-updates will be the death of us all. Joking aside another amazing episode. It was good, my life •́ ‿ ,•̀ I just updated the software on my Tesla so I guess it's time to say my farewells. |
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| So Matsumoto was also asleep for 15 years before the AI's go berserk, weird that nothing happens in those years and then suddenly it's Battle Royale. But it seems that the Archive is involved and of course the song of Vivy has something to do with it... How they're singing it, it's cursed! So they thought that Vivy is the solution but she could even be the cause of it without knowing... Curious how this will unfold while the Singularity Project failed. |
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| Right know the trigger for the whole revolution was likely Vivy completing her song because before that zero songs existed that were written by AI by 100% themselves. The big bad in the tower "aka the Internet" saw this as a sign I guess, that's why the other AI kept chanting it. This doesn't explain what triggered it in the very first timeline though. If Vivy is always in the center of it then the whole plot is a paradox and there is likely one outcome, she has to die to stop it. Although I hope it's not gonna be that cliché because the story was really bangers so far. One other solution could be to go back in time again and get rid of the tower asap but that wouldn't save the current timeline anyway. |
| So I'm guessing the trigger point was the ability of creation. AI can surpass humans but cannot create anything themselves, then Vivy created a song and the AI super intelligence realised humans were no longer needed, hence the song being their rallying cry. If I had to guess at the point that would stop the uprising it would probably be human Matsumoto and Vivy meeting. |
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