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Strident said: When world building, there are much better ways to do so than talk to the audience. Souta is so incredibly passive that I feel like I'm just being lectured about the plot. Meteora's conclusions come at a very convenient time for flimsy reasons, and all the interesting interactions in the background go unvoiced while Meteora just TALKS TO THE AUDIENCE. Not once, but twice. I cannot stress how lazy this kind of directing is. When writing a script, you should try to show, not tell. There is even less excuse in a visual medium since the whole point is to show. But instead, we get told while watching a bunch of mini-scenes that aren't even voiced. This show is just bleeding potential all over the floor. That about sums it up, yeah. Obviously Meteora was talking about some important things, but the way it's being laid out here for the audience comes across as very lazy. Non-stop exposition, infodumps, and technobabble don't make this very engaging. Nothing wrong with dialogue-heavy shows, but it needs to at least be interesting. By the end of it all, I had no idea what Meteora was even talking about anymore. I completely zoned out. |
firemagnet said: She's being set up to be the face-heel-turn girl. At some point in the story, her obvious unease with what the rest of the MUP's group will likely get her to switch sides. Likely that Mamika and Rui will trade positions; from Rui's background, we know that his world is a hellhole where he was fighting a hopeless battle against the villains of his story. He may not care now, but when he does...oh boy. Especially when he learns that as reality grows more malleable, things can be made to change. Thank you for clarifying that to me. It's great that Mamika will switch sides but Rui will switch too? That's pretty interesting since we don't know much about him and the anime didn't explain us much, at least iwe have +20 eps xD |
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| I'm really liking the show however the main character sucks. He has barely said or done anything these past few episodes and even when the focus was more on him in the first 2 episodes he was extremely generic and bland. I'm hoping he gets better... |
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| Haha, pretty funny ending and man, the character designs are really good in this show, especially Gunpuku no Himegimi she looks amazing. |
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| Even I got bored. So many talking even though its informative I don't really feel to listen to it. I just hope this is just a slow start. |
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| In my opinion, Aoki's doing a good job overall. The fourth episode was the most boring one though. Still interesting to me but I really hope for some more action in the fifth. It is quite surprising to hear that Meteora's Creator is dead. It means that there may be nothing particuraly special in characters whos Creators passed away. Previously I thought that maybe Himegimi is so extraordinary because of her Creator's (Setsuna's death). It seems now, there exist some other reasons. I wonder if it's really Himegimi who's transporting these characters to our world. I think she's bluffing. She can transport herself but I have doubts in her abilities of teleporting others. The Princess was quite surprised to see Mizushino in Selesia's world. She also looked surprised seeing both of them dissapearing. It also took her a while to get next to his house. It seems she's no problems with lying to others. She also keeps knowledge to herself until a there is a need to share it with others. It is clear that she knows what's going on. It's Meteora's episode quite a bit, she gets to play her game which must be a very extraordinary and weird experience for her. Impressively, she had no problems with all of it, accepts the situation. Alicetelia's world must be very rough if she's talking care of something Mamika considers trash. Mamika seems nice but she's clearly very fond of herself and her image. If I was that cute (and used magic), I would also be fond of myself... Alice justice is to change her world for the better which can be easily understood. Blitz looks like a man who likes when something interesting is happening. That's why he will help GnH. Makagami may be quite similar in that way. She may want to feel important and change our/her world. Masaaki Nakanogane for sure is going to be on a spotlight next episode. He looks massively surprised and horrified. Rui's world is so awful that Masaaki should be worried. God knows what he may do to him later. Masaki is too credulous and carefree. Maybe that's just her character. Souta isn't really doing anything for now, he's unnecessary for now. Selesia's fighting capabilities are probably below most of other newcomers. Rui looks weak but he has a giant robot. She can fly though, which is very helpful. It will be 4 vs 5 by the looks of it. Maybe the mahou shoujo is going to change sides? Then it's going to be 5 vs 4. Hard to decide which side is stronger. Too little info. And the question remains : is Setsuna Souta's sister? Is she or he Himegimi's Creator? If yes why doesn't he know anything about her? Weren't they too young to create a widely known world? Wouldn't it be easy to find on the Internet? Uniform Princess probably would be. Maybe she was (or will be) just a concept character with a few illustrations and a description. But why is she in the open then? Others are known in whole Japan and more countries. She might be a very popular character from the future. Or just some weird magic made her real from a concept design. But why has the girl in glasses jumped in front of the train? What happened to her before that? So many unanswered questions... |
Oh ok, so it may never happen xD But will see, but i really hope they explain more. |
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Fai said: For example? What mind blowing things did we learn about Sota? He is "normal", "average", blah blah blah. Never said anything about Sota. What mind blowing things did we learn about LN Heroine? She is righteous and all that stuff. In fact as the show progresses I'd say she LOST personality because she was at least somewhat more agressive and interesting in the first episode and now she is just...there. Never said anything about Selesia either. What mind blowing things did we learn about Meteora? Considering form the moment of her introduction till now she was and remains an exposition dumping machine at the viewer without any real personality. Maybe you missed the first couple minutes of the show, but we learned quite a bit about how she feels about the fact that she's a fictional character and how that affects her viewpoint of her world, her feelings towards her creator and the other characters. What did we learn a bout Mamika? That she is a magical girl thinking like a magical girl? That her viewpoint is changing, little by little, from the hopelessly naive child we met earlier, tht she's holding doubts towards MUP, and that she's thinking a little more about what being a fictional character means to her. Did we need 4 episodes for THAT? No we did not, that could have been handled in single episode. I'd rather the show takes its time to handle things slowly rather than cram stuff into a single episode. Most of "lore" could be summed up in sentence or two since it is not the focus. This right here is your problem. You assume that since you are watching it just for the action, that's what the show is all about, and blind yourself to everything else it's trying to do. We had 3 episodes of the exact same points being reiterated again and again or obvious things being stated. Now you're really starting to make me think you're not watching this show at all. ReCreators does action good so far. That is it's strength. The action is what you what out of it. From my perspectve, while the action is nice and all, I find the way the show is handling it's themes to be more interesting. Oh please, the narrative is literally throwing anvils towards the viewer about it. This show is not exactly subtle if you did not notice that yet. We had a hour long monologue about how Sota should totally become a writer in future. We had the EvilWhiteHairedChick literally recognizing MC and making multiple comments that count as Foreshadowing. We had whole big (and obvious) "reveal" of the fact that the characters could be from works yet to be written, etc. Again, you prove you're not actually watching the show. It's way more likely that MUP is the creation of the girl who suicided in the very first episode, and who MUP was shown talking with. |
firemagnet said: You could have said just this and been done with the entire goddamn thing, and not have returned to it, since you would have made your position entirely clear with just that sentence. Instead you launched into a multi-part tirade on "but muh action because that does not cover the show's flaws and because trying to downplay the show's flaws and poor structure with "but muh action" is ridiculous logical fallacy? It's always lovely when people rely on fallacies instead of actually refuting arguments presented. So hero and heroine of the whole story are uttelry bland and boring and we have not learned ANYTHING about them in four first episodes. And the first four episodes focused on almost entirely only them. My point stands. Maybe you missed the first couple minutes of the show, but we learned quite a bit about how she feels about the fact that she's a fictional character and how that affects her viewpoint of her world, her feelings towards her creator and the other characters. She's a kuudere and she is the show's exposition dump who is okay with everything going on because her kuudere personality makes her be okay with everything. Oh look I summed up three episodes of long winded monologues into a single sentence. And I would not even need that because her behavior and personality are part of a trope. Did we really need 20 minute monologues about her playing a game to get there? No. That her viewpoint is changing, little by little, from the hopelessly naive child we met earlier, tht she's holding doubts towards MUP, and that she's thinking a little more about what being a fictional character means to her. We literally knew all about that from the scene where he questioned blood in the fight and LNHeroine went on a rant to her how worlds are different. We did not need that AGAIN. I'd rather the show takes its time to handle things slowly rather than cram stuff into a single episode. Handling it slowly is good when you have writing chops to do it. Handing things slowly is good when cinematography and storyboarding makes the pacing enjoyable. Handling things slowly is good when your premise feels fresh and you have managed to set your work apart from dime a dozen LN adaptations and industry tropes. "Handling things slowly" does not work in an action show when all you can do is write three episodes worth of grandstanding long-winded infodumping where you try to make a single character look smart by making her throw around as many big words as you can think of to the point that her dialogue feels stinted and unnatural, while Director is not bothering to do anything with the cinematography except having shot after shot of talking heads. Even Little Witch Academia TV is better than that and that is a production mess galore with literally no effort at all in terms of directing or script writing This right here is your problem. You assume that since you are watching it just for the action, that's what the show is all about, and blind yourself to everything else it's trying to do. But again, there's nothing else. Nothing in the lore so far requires 4 episode infodumps. Its extremely standard setting and over-explaining it does not make it better. This is not DND Manual, this is not some user manual - this is a tv show, a visual medium. With narrative set in very oversaturated market full of ln adaptations with familiar settings and character tropes. We do not need to have a whole episode of discussion about whether author can change things on the fly - just state it if you REALLY want to have that info. We do not need a whole episode of InfodumpChan talkinga bout playing a game and how she feels okay with her world. just make her say in a single sentence that the first thing she did in this world was to check out her game and that she feels its a great world. We did not need 20 minutes of very stinted monologue with overuse of word World in every sentence or all the terminology she throws into the sentences that the writers added to make her seem smart. There are better ways to make the point than that. Nothing in this lore is complex, innovative or different enough to spend whole episodes upon. Especially not with how dull the directing in infodump scenes is. Now you're really starting to make me think you're not watching this show at all. Not really? What did we learn? "Meteora is okay with her world" - well no shit. "Future creations authors have yet to write could come" - no shit. "Authors can't just alter their works on the fly" - See? one sentence of obvious. why spend whole episode on that apart from padding??? "Authors might not live up to expectations of creations who view them as gods" - NO SHIT. Humans are flawed and not gods, idealization and worship is bad concept. yadontsay.gif "White Haired chick wants to recruit creations ina rage against creators kind of scenario" - no shit obvious from first episode. "WhiteHaireChick wants to destroy the world" - YEAH WE KNOW THAT SINCE FIRST EPISODE. That's literally all the important bits of these four episodes. Dragged out via padding and infodump into four episodes. From my perspectve, while the action is nice and all, I find the way the show is handling it's themes to be more interesting. What themes? You have yet to explain how the show is handling it or refute any of critique made against show's poor writing and pacing. Again, you prove you're not actually watching the show. It's way more likely that MUP is the creation of the girl who suicided in the very first episode, and who MUP was shown talking with. Again you are throwing ad hominems at a person, while stating your arguments as facts and without refuting the arguments. So what you are saying is basically Sota has no purpose in the story then? Well it certainly fits for a show that is 99% padding so far to have a protagonist who is literally padding. :^) |
AhenshihaelMay 4, 2017 1:56 AM
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Fai said: So hero and heroine of the whole story are uttelry bland and boring and we have not learned ANYTHING about them in four first episodes. And the first four episodes focused on almost entirely only them. My point stands. I could agree with you on Sota, but I'd hardly call Selesia bland or that we've learned nothing about her. She's a kuudere and she is the show's exposition dump who is okay with everything going on because her kuudere personality makes her be okay with everything. Oh look I summed up three episodes of long winded monologues into a single sentence. And I would not even need that because her behavior and personality are part of a trope. Did we really need 20 minute monologues about her playing a game to get there? No. Way to be reductive there. We literally knew all about that from the scene where he questioned blood in the fight and LNHeroine went on a rant to her how worlds are different. We did not need that AGAIN. We actually didn't though. It seems I'm beating a dead horse here, but I'd rather the show takes time to show characters progressing than letting the reader take it on faith that they are. We do not need to have a whole episode of discussion about whether author can change things on the fly - just state it if you REALLY want to have that info. We do not need a whole episode of InfodumpChan talkinga bout playing a game and how she feels okay with her world. just make her say in a single sentence that the first thing she did in this world was to check out her game and that she feels its a great world. It seems that you totally missed the actual emotional aspect of those monologues, which was why they were so long. They're not simply trying to pass along info, they're telling us what the characters think and feel about that information. What themes? You have yet to explain how the show is handling it or refute any of critique made against show's poor writing and pacing. I've already explained that the show is taking it's time with establishing the characters because one of the stories the show is trying is how the viewpoint of characters change and evolve due to the realization that they are creators and created. So what you are saying is basically Sota has no purpose in the story then? Well it certainly fits for a show that is 99% padding so far to have a protagonist who is literally padding. :^) So simply because Sota isn't MUP's creator, he has no purpose? Maybe, just maybe, Sota is connected to Setsuna, and his relationship with her, and through her, MUP is his purpose in the plot? |
Anti-AgelastMay 4, 2017 9:04 AM
Fai said: because that does not cover the show's flaws and because trying to downplay the show's flaws and poor structure with "but muh action" is ridiculous logical fallacy? It's always lovely when people rely on fallacies instead of actually refuting arguments presented. Flaws which you have grossly overstated, and because your argument literally is "BUT MUH ACTION," I am merely reducing your argument to what it is, because there is literally nothing else of substance behind it. So hero and heroine of the whole story are uttelry bland and boring and we have not learned ANYTHING about them in four first episodes. And the first four episodes focused on almost entirely only them. My point stands. Let me excuse myself while I laugh hard at, not with, you. It's clear that your need for a "popcorn action thriller" has entirely blinded you to the emotional subtleties of this show, much less all of the information that has been presented about them as well as how they express themselves on issues that matter to them. She's a kuudere and she is the show's exposition dump who is okay with everything going on because her kuudere personality makes her be okay with everything. Oh look I summed up three episodes of long winded monologues into a single sentence. And I would not even need that because her behavior and personality are part of a trope. Did we really need 20 minute monologues about her playing a game to get there? No. In spite of your obvious loathing for standard tropes and how this getting in the way of any real commentary by you on this show, I'll not hesitate to point out that your writing off of this character as generic is ignoring how she expresses herself, her interaction with the world, as well as her feelings on this matter in spite of the fact that as a result of her medium she is incapable of expressing them in a "normal" manner. We literally knew all about that from the scene where he questioned blood in the fight and LNHeroine went on a rant to her how worlds are different. We did not need that AGAIN. Actually, we did need to see it again. See, you seem to have this wonderful idea in your head that just because the audience can see it coming automatically means that the characters themselves can see this coming and that there is, therefore, no need to expand upon events that have already happened. Her fight with Selesia planted a seed of doubt. All events since are confirming that doubt, and eventually she will flip sides. However the audience needs to be presented with a logical chain of events that establishes why she finally decides to switch sides or betray MUP. Handling it slowly is good when you have writing chops to do it. Handing things slowly is good when cinematography and storyboarding makes the pacing enjoyable. Handling things slowly is good when your premise feels fresh and you have managed to set your work apart from dime a dozen LN adaptations and industry tropes. Dunning-Kruger much? Not really? What did we learn? Proof, if further was needed, that you're either not watching this, turning your mind off if you do, or deliberately trolling. [quote] "Meteora is okay with her world" - well no shit. [quote] You clearly missed the entire section of her talk where she said that she was undecided and eventually accepted her world only after being able to view it from the outside. There was no evidence beforehand that suggested that she might be alright with her world, only that she felt she had to return to it. A sense of responsibility does not automatically imply positive acceptance. "Future creations authors have yet to write could come" - no shit. Baseless conjecture composed by you out of hand. No evidence has been presented thus far to suggest that we have any sort of time loop or time travel with regards to MUP. "Authors can't just alter their works on the fly" - See? one sentence of obvious. why spend whole episode on that apart from padding??? That was actually an important plot point, and it had to be backed up with evidence. The author can do as they like; just check out every fanfiction or story in existence. Their work does not automatically need fan acceptance to become cannon, so this actually required development. Your disdain for the genre, as well as the exploration of these themes is so bloody obvious that even a someone blinded by nuclear blast flash could see it from ten goddamn miles away. "Authors might not live up to expectations of creations who view them as gods" - NO SHIT. Humans are flawed and not gods, idealization and worship is bad concept. Your reaction to even the exploration of such says volumes about you. "White Haired chick wants to recruit creations ina rage against creators kind of scenario" - no shit obvious from first episode. "WhiteHaireChick wants to destroy the world" - YEAH WE KNOW THAT SINCE FIRST EPISODE. We know that, but the characters don't. Again you are throwing ad hominems at a person  woobie, that's not adhominem. THIS, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS ADHOMINEM: You miss analytic themes in the show or outright dismiss them, in spite of them being blindingly fucking obvious, because you're kicking and screaming like a petulant five year old who got his cookie taken away from him that you want action, and because you think that it's all the show should be. Grow up. It's obvious that you have naught but disdain for this show, don't like watching it, and hate the themes brought up in it anyway, so why the fuck are you watching it. Don't tell me it's for the "critique," because what you're doing is not critique. |
firemagnetMay 4, 2017 9:37 AM
| Hmm so we finally get to see who the person that rescued Mamika was then Hmm this knight is called AliceTaria eh. Hmm i bet meeting your created character will be quite the shock for the publisher and creator. Looks there are some bad news for Meteora though. Ah so the creator for Meteora had actually passed away then without getting the chance to meet with her. Thats pretty sad. Well i suppose a internet cafe will be a good place of solitude for her i guess. Marine is blaming herself though its no one's fault really. Its guess its just gods will i guess. While it will take her time to recover from such a large shock its nice that Meteora seems to be well enough for now. If anything Meteora is actually pretty formal and overly polite which isn't a bad thing as it defines her character. Well i guess all of the characters will have rather complicated feelings towards their creators. So when she and selestia first encountered military girl she too was confused about what path she should take eh. Understandable u guess. True the more sincere a creator is the more effort they will put in to design the world for the better. The opposite here is also true as well. Hmm so if her creator had not been serious about his job then she would have chosen to become an observer and witness the world's destruction eh. Well characters like Selestia and Meteora are essentially nothing more than pixels i guess so for them to be able to exist in the real world they would have to be transformed. As a result the restoration powers that exist in the world functioned by translating them into human beings then. Hmm i suppose having beings from another world will have some negative effects for the world. And the more there is of other beings the more effects it will have on the world. Things that don't exist in this world being forced to exist will create some unintended effects is the gist of it. So as long as they continue to battle then this world will start to change even more eh. Hmm a reset being referred to as the great destruction eh. Where everything will be resetted eh. Hmm it must be quite weird playing the game that features you as one of the main characters. That must have been interesting. But im glad that she found the game to be fun and amusing though. Its nice that after playing the game Meteora's impression of her creator was positive. Its good that she has found the motivation and reason that she needs and chose to fight to protect this world and return everything to normal. But man staying up all night without eating at all to complete a game now thats dedication. Lol Selestia's face as she ate that sushi lol. Still the aims of military girl is at this moment still unknown. Surely she won't gain anything from destroying this world. Its nice that the girls had fun eating and having a livery and interesting discussion while they are at it. Well for better or worst fictional characters are created to express characters that are better than their real life creators. But lol Selestia's response to her creator's words at being normal though. Hmm so military girl is sincere about wanting to destroy the world eh. If we can find her motivation then maybe we can understand her better. If Selestia and the others can find the other creations then they can limit the damage that they will cause to the world. But i think Military girl will also be doing the same as well. Hmm thats a really good way of using alphabet chips though. Since military girl is not from this world she will also have a creator as well that exists in this world. Hmm so Meteora managed to spell the word creator with the letters and outlined the main plot of her words with that word alone lol impressive. Hmm so it seems that the other creations that are on the other side are also having similar problems. Hmm the knight has a pretty direct personality eh. If anything military girl sure is manipulative but thats to be expected from her since she's the villain. Hmm despite being on the wrong side AliceTaria is determined to save her world and its people even at the cost of destroying this one eh. She will be a tough opponent though thats for sure. If anything combat and fighting isn't something that suits Mamika and it feels like she's was dragged into this fight which she was i guess. Still i commend her for being brave enough to hang in there. She wants to save her world just as much as everyone else does i guess. Despite being scared of being in combat and fighting the world's defenders. Lol telling someone that a character that you created has somehow turned up in front of you would be a hard thing to say. Lol even more embarrassing will be the last part which is he's eating lunch at my house lol. Surprisingly Selestia and Meteora look pretty normal in casual clothes lol. |
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| [quote=firemagnet message=50598722] Fai said: because that does not cover the show's flaws and because trying to downplay the show's flaws and poor structure with "but muh action" is ridiculous logical fallacy? It's always lovely when people rely on fallacies instead of actually refuting arguments presented. Flaws which you have grossly overstated, and because your argument literally is "BUT MUH ACTION," I am merely reducing your argument to what it is, because there is literally nothing else of substance behind it. So hero and heroine of the whole story are uttelry bland and boring and we have not learned ANYTHING about them in four first episodes. And the first four episodes focused on almost entirely only them. My point stands. Let me excuse myself while I laugh hard at, not with, you. It's clear that your need for a "popcorn action thriller" has entirely blinded you to the emotional subtleties of this show, much less all of the information that has been presented about them as well as how they express themselves on issues that matter to them. She's a kuudere and she is the show's exposition dump who is okay with everything going on because her kuudere personality makes her be okay with everything. Oh look I summed up three episodes of long winded monologues into a single sentence. And I would not even need that because her behavior and personality are part of a trope. Did we really need 20 minute monologues about her playing a game to get there? No. In spite of your obvious loathing for standard tropes and how this getting in the way of any real commentary by you on this show, I'll not hesitate to point out that your writing off of this character as generic is ignoring how she expresses herself, her interaction with the world, as well as her feelings on this matter in spite of the fact that as a result of her medium she is incapable of expressing them in a "normal" manner. We literally knew all about that from the scene where he questioned blood in the fight and LNHeroine went on a rant to her how worlds are different. We did not need that AGAIN. Actually, we did need to see it again. See, you seem to have this wonderful idea in your head that just because the audience can see it coming automatically means that the characters themselves can see this coming and that there is, therefore, no need to expand upon events that have already happened. Her fight with Selesia planted a seed of doubt. All events since are confirming that doubt, and eventually she will flip sides. However the audience needs to be presented with a logical chain of events that establishes why she finally decides to switch sides or betray MUP. Handling it slowly is good when you have writing chops to do it. Handing things slowly is good when cinematography and storyboarding makes the pacing enjoyable. Handling things slowly is good when your premise feels fresh and you have managed to set your work apart from dime a dozen LN adaptations and industry tropes. Dunning-Kruger much? Not really? What did we learn? Proof, if further was needed, that you're either not watching this, turning your mind off if you do, or deliberately trolling. [quote] "Meteora is okay with her world" - well no shit. You clearly missed the entire section of her talk where she said that she was undecided and eventually accepted her world only after being able to view it from the outside. There was no evidence beforehand that suggested that she might be alright with her world, only that she felt she had to return to it. A sense of responsibility does not automatically imply positive acceptance. "Future creations authors have yet to write could come" - no shit. Baseless conjecture composed by you out of hand. No evidence has been presented thus far to suggest that we have any sort of time loop or time travel with regards to MUP. "Authors can't just alter their works on the fly" - See? one sentence of obvious. why spend whole episode on that apart from padding??? That was actually an important plot point, and it had to be backed up with evidence. The author can do as they like; just check out every fanfiction or story in existence. Their work does not automatically need fan acceptance to become cannon, so this actually required development. Your disdain for the genre, as well as the exploration of these themes is so bloody obvious that even a someone blinded by nuclear blast flash could see it from ten goddamn miles away. "Authors might not live up to expectations of creations who view them as gods" - NO SHIT. Humans are flawed and not gods, idealization and worship is bad concept. Your reaction to even the exploration of such says volumes about you. "White Haired chick wants to recruit creations ina rage against creators kind of scenario" - no shit obvious from first episode. "WhiteHaireChick wants to destroy the world" - YEAH WE KNOW THAT SINCE FIRST EPISODE. We know that, but the characters don't. Again you are throwing ad hominems at a person woobie, that's not adhominem. THIS, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS ADHOMINEM: You miss analytic themes in the show or outright dismiss them, in spite of them being blindingly fucking obvious, because you're kicking and screaming like a petulant five year old who got his cookie taken away from him that you want action, and because you think that it's all the show should be. Grow up. It's obvious that you have naught but disdain for this show, don't like watching it, and hate the themes brought up in it anyway, so why the fuck are you watching it. Don't tell me it's for the "critique," because what you're doing is not critique. You were behaving aggressively before, but now you threw all subtlety out the window when you called a stranger a 5 year old for their opinion on a cartoon. Jesus... Meaning that now you have practically declared war. Now Fai is PROBABLY, NOT going to want to AT ALL agree with you, because you've made yourself more unlikable. The more tense you make someone in an argument (which is completely useless to do online, but that's besides the point), the LESS likely they will agree with you. It's very clear that the both of you have VERY different ideologies on what makes a good/bad anime, in some aspects. You both watched the same anime. Both came to a conclusion on it, with your own respective reasons. No way in hell are either of you gonna make each other agree through ARGUING, unless one of you was teaching the other math. |
| Who is this megane, who keeps appearing in opening? As I remember, she killed herself in episode 1. Also, its 8 months since I heard Inori Minase talking for over 10 minutes. |
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| After 4 episodes this is still not that appealing or interesting. This is now in the "watch at 2x speed" category for me. |
Zemroid said: After 4 episodes this is still not that appealing or interesting. This is now in the "watch at 2x speed" category for me. yup i agree. But i am not quite there yet, but i will be soon if nothing changes. |
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Zemroid said: After 4 episodes this is still not that appealing or interesting. This is now in the "watch at 2x speed" category for me. H1r0gen said: yup i agree. But i am not quite there yet, but i will be soon if nothing changes. firemagnet said: Well, if you're not interested you're not interested. OTOH, episode 5 comes out tomorrow and it does look like we have a fight that features the mecha pilot, Kanoya Rui. I think its not because there are no fights, its because for 4 episodes they are trying to explain why there is no law of physics in this universe. And it fails miserably because there can't be an explanation why there is a lack of physics in an universe. If i was not interested in this anime i would dropped it long time ago. The show should get better in due time i hope |
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Zemroid said: After 4 episodes this is still not that appealing or interesting. This is now in the "watch at 2x speed" category for me. H1r0gen said: yup i agree. But i am not quite there yet, but i will be soon if nothing changes. firemagnet said: Well, if you're not interested you're not interested. OTOH, episode 5 comes out tomorrow and it does look like we have a fight that features the mecha pilot, Kanoya Rui. H1r0gen said: I think its not because there are no fights, its because for 4 episodes they are trying to explain why there is no law of physics in this universe. And it fails miserably because there can't be an explanation why there is a lack of physics in an universe. If i was not interested in this anime i would dropped it long time ago. The show should get better in due time i hope firemagnet said: I disagree that they spent four episodes discussing why there are no physics. The discussion was broader than that. The essential theory that was laid down is "Someone from a fictional world will appear with all of their abilities, and this universe will attempt to adapt to them by loosening the 'rules' so to speak." The discussion also covered perspectives on how creators and the created would interact, how they feel about their roles, as well as if, how, or why changes might be made. I find that fascinating, to be honest. However, the discussion isn't just for that; they're also establishing the motives, personalities, and reasoning behind the characters, as well as setting the stage for the next fight. Another, simpler way to put it is that the show isn't taking its audience for granted and letting them assume things about what is going on; it is trying to establish a coherent narrative. Thus, if the characters don't know something they try to find out what is going on rather than a convenient little statement to the effect of "ok, we just found this out, what do we do about it?" I know, that the discussion is broader then that but for me all other things are overshadowed by the same things that were revealed in the first episode, and not interesting dull characters. There is something that is not clicking with me, probably this show is better binge-watched, dunno. Or its perhaps the the problem that i am reading a Psychiatry book at this moment "The Myth of Mental Illness" by Thomas Szasz (great book by the way). This season is pretty bad in comparison to the last one. I will see how i feel about this anime after next episode. |
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firemagnet said: It's doing a good job at exploring the themes but the problem is that I personally don't find it interesting at all. In contrast, Seikaisuru Kado is really interesting and one of my favorites this season.H1r0gen said: I think its not because there are no fights, its because for 4 episodes they are trying to explain why there is no law of physics in this universe. And it fails miserably because there can't be an explanation why there is a lack of physics in an universe. If i was not interested in this anime i would dropped it long time ago. The show should get better in due time i hope I disagree that they spent four episodes discussing why there are no physics. The discussion was broader than that. The essential theory that was laid down is "Someone from a fictional world will appear with all of their abilities, and this universe will attempt to adapt to them by loosening the 'rules' so to speak." The discussion also covered perspectives on how creators and the created would interact, how they feel about their roles, as well as if, how, or why changes might be made. I find that fascinating, to be honest. However, the discussion isn't just for that; they're also establishing the motives, personalities, and reasoning behind the characters, as well as setting the stage for the next fight. Another, simpler way to put it is that the show isn't taking its audience for granted and letting them assume things about what is going on; it is trying to establish a coherent narrative. Thus, if the characters don't know something they try to find out what is going on rather than a convenient little statement to the effect of "ok, we just found this out, what do we do about it?" |
firemagnet said: Zoos said: O M G. Oh, gosh. This anime... this anime is the dream of every semiotics/literature nerd ever! Jfc, the themes that are presented here are quite a feast for me. Suddenly, this started talking about intersemiotic translation (Roman Jakobson) and about "The Death of the Author" (Roland Barthes). It is also very filled with notions of structuralism and post-structuralism. How the author plays such a big role in the creation of her/his world, but at the same time you can completely disregard the author. Yes, I can say that Re:Creators is the best new anime for this season. I'm going to stop being a scholar nerd here and start to be a mecha nerd now. Yes, yes, the robot and the pilot are here, that was something I was really looking forward to. Because adolescent-piloted robots are awesome and you all know it. See, you get it. I don't have as much depth in this as you do, but you recognize what it's exploring. Unlike a few individuals on this board who shall remain unnamed. On that note, would you mind expanding on the literature references a bit? I'm genuinely interested. Roland Barthes was a French literary critic/theorist, philosopher, and linguistic. He made impressive changes on how literature was analized. The structuralist critics said, put in very basic terms, that literature had to be analyzed under defined structures and the personal/biographical life of the author was a key point to understand it. The post-structuralists, like Barthes, said "fuck it", and proposed new ways to understand and analyze literature, among them the idea that the work was totally comprehensible without the author, that the author was really non important. Literature for the sake of literature, if you will. You can read Barth's "The Death of the Author" here http://www.tbook.constantvzw.org/wp-content/death_authorbarthes.pdf (he even refers to the authors as "gods", lol). On the other hand, Roman Jakobson was a semiotcs theorist. He proposed the intersemiotic translation, that is, basically, translation from one media to another; i.e. the translation from a verbal language to a laguage made of images and sounds. In other words, adaptations. And in Re:Creators there is a lot of adaptation: from light novels to manga to anime to games, etc. And we can push the intersemiotic tranlation to another whole new level: from anime/games/manga to real life (a real life inside of this fictional narrative, but that's nothing more than another fictional narrative for us, making it really, really meta!). As a lit scholar, this anime blows my mind. [Btw, I'm a girl. :) ] |
ZoosMay 6, 2017 9:58 PM
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| Lot of exposition. Two new characters unveiled. |
| This was basically just an info dump episode. I wish they had done a little more with the fact, that Meteora's creator had died. Wasn't he kind of her god? Wouldn't that affect somebody deeply if their "god" died? I loved that little interaction with paladin woman (can't remember the name) and sailor moon (yeah.. can't remember that one either). |
Strident said: When world building, there are much better ways to do so than talk to the audience. Souta is so incredibly passive that I feel like I'm just being lectured about the plot. Meteora's conclusions come at a very convenient time for flimsy reasons, and all the interesting interactions in the background go unvoiced while Meteora just TALKS TO THE AUDIENCE. Not once, but twice. I cannot stress how lazy this kind of directing is. When writing a script, you should try to show, not tell. There is even less excuse in a visual medium since the whole point is to show. But instead, we get told while watching a bunch of mini-scenes that aren't even voiced. This show is just bleeding potential all over the floor. This post pretty much sums up my feelings about the show. It's a real shame, because they have a REALLY interesting concept here and they're just pissing all over it. God help us if the next episode is another infodump episode with hardly any interesting interactions. |
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| Needs Action Not much progress was really made this episode. The explanation/theory could have been shorter. |
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| Alice-chan is so cute. Wild Mecha appears! |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| MUP wants to crash the world, we're just not sure why. I understand that not everyone can enjoy the style of the first half, i.e. slice of life footage and verbal exposition. But I'm starting to like these nerds, so yeah, I think I just buckled up for the whole series. Alice has a great design, and Hikasa Yoko is goat. I wonder if her world is a dark fantasy thing. She's one of those no-nonsense determinator characters, so she and Mamika can play off of each other excellently. |
LeeTailorJun 2, 2017 2:38 PM
| Alice is a nice girl, she is mad coz she lives in a hell thanks to her creator... |
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