Kokko said: ToaofJustice said: It was a light hearted jab. I do align myself with nihilism in some respects though. I'm sorry but you're sounding a bit like an edgy teenager. I've read a few books by nihilists like E.M. Cioran and they're absolute filth. Yeah, Nihilism is pretty disgusting. I mean it inspired the Nazis. You're right, I turned edgy teen for a minute there. I mean, I don't believe in all the destruction stuff. If anything, I'm more of an Absurdist, or even a Proto-Existentialist. I'm rather contradictory, blame my divorced parents and their opposing ideologies. |
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Karadzic said: That's why there's so many religions, beleifs and atheists in the world. It's not any level of ignorance at all, it's not people not being aware of certain information. There is literally a plethora of possibilities to be studied or thought up. Yet still so many religion debates and conflicts when people have differen't interpretations of scripture lmao. Masked_Mantis said: well we are not God afterall so...... we will never knowIf I'm a Hindu living my life believing in god, believing I'll be reincarnated etc. Why would I still go to hell for idol worship? In reality if I was a moral Hindu you could easily be my friend but you'd have to go against your own ultmiate truth that in the end I haven't accepted Jesus. What if I'm an atheist that lives a moral life? How can I still be punished for following my own ultimate truth? At the end of the day you're doing the same thing, you're following what you think is an ultimate truth. What if reincarnation is the truth and you get reincarnated into a lesser animal for wanting to oppress atheists opinions? huehuehue This is my gripe with icirate. He keeps saying do you not see the wisdom, the good moral values and way of life from Christianity. And honestly no, I see indoctrination and a disgusting view on sexual purity. From open minded Christians (the hypocites according to people of faith) I see what icirate claims. I also see wisdom and good moral values in thousands of other scriptures and books before Christianity so I stay open to what is the ultimate truth. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
Masked_Mantis said: Its the Reformation's fault not ours lel jkYet still so many religion debates and conflicts when people have differen't interpretations of scripture lmao. btw, this is our beleif to salvation to the people outside of the Church care to read if u wanna http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church |
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ToaofJustice said: Yeah, Nihilism is pretty disgusting. I mean it inspired the Nazis. You're right, I turned edgy teen for a minute there. I mean, I don't believe in all the destruction stuff. If anything, I'm more of an Absurdist. That's more reasonable. Sartre and Beauvoir are still the best in the business, same with their philosophies. |
| There are no absolute truths, for example there can be some unknown variable that exists that we are unable to comprehend or have yet to discover that would change everything about the world as we know it. Science understands the fact that there are a lot of things that we dont understand or know, it just takes what we do know and pieces it together in the most logical way possible. We dont know if god exists. There is no real compelling proof that he does exist but at the same time there is no real compelling proof that a god does not. Thats why agnostic atheism is the most logical "belief". If there is no proof that something exists, the logical default stance would be to assume it doesnt exist, but since there is no proof god does not exist, it would be illogical to say for sure that a god doesnt exist. this is the basis of science, what we consider fact, and what we consider false. science isnt about proving whats right and whats wrong, because we dont know enough of the world and possibly never will to logically confirm whats the absolute truth, and what are absolute lies. the world is uncertain and unknown and science recognizes that fact. it simply takes what we do know and comprehends it in the most logical way possible. its a method at trying to understand the world. as we learn more our facts can change and be altered. |
Kokko said: Lemongrope said: I'm not religious but I have dropped anime when they tactlessly offend my socio-political beliefs with nothing interesting/entertaining to offer in return though. What if they challenge your beliefs on certain subjects? Not that anime of all mediums is capable of that... Yeah but then that would make it an interesting anime worth watching. |
Lemongrope said: Kokko said: What if they challenge your beliefs on certain subjects? Not that anime of all mediums is capable of that... Yeah but then that would make it an interesting anime worth watching. Indeed, people thrive off differing opinions. |
j0x said: damn y bait son? :(well saying 1+1=2 is one absolute truth, but saying god is an absolute truth is lol worthy considering we cannot even test and falsify it because believers claim its sacred/absolute/universal |
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Karadzic said: j0x said: damn y bait son? :(well saying 1+1=2 is one absolute truth, but saying god is an absolute truth is lol worthy considering we cannot even test and falsify it because believers claim its sacred/absolute/universal But he's speaking the truth. :3 |
j0x said: well saying 1+1=2 is one absolute truth You should read up on Godel's Theorems. This is all purely philosophical though. You can't function as a normal human being outside of the bubble that is philosophy if you don't believe in your own senses among other things. |
LionCake said: but is this statement implying to be an absolute truth too?There are no absolute truths, for example there can be some unknown variable that exists that we are unable to comprehend or have yet to discover that would change everything about the world as we know it. Science understands the fact that there are a lot of things that we dont understand or know, it just takes what we do know and pieces it together in the most logical way possible. We dont know if god exists. There is no real compelling proof that he does exist but at the same time there is no real compelling proof that a god does not. Thats why agnostic atheism is the most logical "belief". If there is no proof that something exists, the logical default stance would be to assume it doesnt exist, but since there is no proof god does not exist, it would be illogical to say for sure that a god doesnt exist. this is the basis of science, what we consider fact, and what we consider false. science isnt about proving whats right and whats wrong, because we dont know enough of the world and possibly never will to logically confirm whats the absolute truth, and what are absolute lies. the world is uncertain and unknown and science recognizes that fact. it simply takes what we do know and comprehends it in the most logical way possible. its a method at trying to understand the world. as we learn more our facts can change and be altered. |
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Karadzic said: no, its just the most logical method to comprehend the world with what we understand of it.LionCake said: but is this statement implying to be an absolute truth too?There are no absolute truths, for example there can be some unknown variable that exists that we are unable to comprehend or have yet to discover that would change everything about the world as we know it. Science understands the fact that there are a lot of things that we dont understand or know, it just takes what we do know and pieces it together in the most logical way possible. We dont know if god exists. There is no real compelling proof that he does exist but at the same time there is no real compelling proof that a god does not. Thats why agnostic atheism is the most logical "belief". If there is no proof that something exists, the logical default stance would be to assume it doesnt exist, but since there is no proof god does not exist, it would be illogical to say for sure that a god doesnt exist. this is the basis of science, what we consider fact, and what we consider false. science isnt about proving whats right and whats wrong, because we dont know enough of the world and possibly never will to logically confirm whats the absolute truth, and what are absolute lies. the world is uncertain and unknown and science recognizes that fact. it simply takes what we do know and comprehends it in the most logical way possible. its a method at trying to understand the world. as we learn more our facts can change and be altered. |
LionCake said: so there can be a possibility that its false?Karadzic said: no, its just the most logical method to comprehend the world with what we understand of it.but is this statement implying to be an absolute truth too? |
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ToaofJustice said: Karadzic said: damn y bait son? :( But he's speaking the truth. :3 What if there is some alternate dimension that works completely differently than our own world where 1+1=4? We dont know if this world exists. So we cant say for certain that 1+1=2 is always true. |
Karadzic said: well what i said was simply an opinion. its a method to understand the world. like how walking is a method to travel. you cant really classify walking as wrong or right. same as how you cant classify my method of understanding the world as wrong or right.LionCake said: so there can be a possibility that its false?no, its just the most logical method to comprehend the world with what we understand of it. |
| It doesn't matter if you're agnostic. LionCake said: Actually, you can. So we cant say for certain that 1+1=2 is always true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms |
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j0x said: Kokko said: You should read up on Godel's Theorems. This is all purely philosophical though. You can't function as a normal human being outside of the bubble that is philosophy if you don't believe in your own senses among other things. this? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems sounds complex, i barely get the explanations other than math cannot prove everything what will happen to the theory of everything then, is physics doomed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything It can really go anywhere. We'll just have to wait and see, but I hardly believe that scientists will find out everything in our lifespans. |
Coldsp33d said: I dont plan on reading that so I cant say if that actually says something that proves what I said was wrong. Not like I really care. For all intents and purposes 1+1=2. All this philosophical talk has no real application in the real world anyways.It doesn't matter if you're agnostic. LionCake said: Actually, you can. So we cant say for certain that 1+1=2 is always true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms |
LionCake said: Haha, of course. Just wanted to say that "1+1=2 has no proof" isn't a true statement. :PI dont plan on reading that so I cant say if that actually says something that proves what I said was wrong. Not like I really care. For all intents and purposes 1+1=2. All this philosophical talk has no real application in the real world anyways. |
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Kokko said: Empiricism is founded on the absolute truth that there are no absolute truths, and as we all know, the scientific method is empirical. Masked_Mantis said: What if I'm an atheist that lives a moral life? How can I still be punished for following my own ultimate truth? What's the difference between you following 'your own ultimate truth' that you came to rationally and you following 'your own ultimate truth' that you decided arbitrarily to suit whatever lifestyle you chose? Aren't both still 'following your own ultimate truth'? Masked_Mantis said: What if I'm an atheist that lives a moral life? How can I still be punished for following my own ultimate truth? Romans 3. Masked_Mantis said: Yet still so many religion debates and conflicts when people have differen't interpretations of scripture lmao. Most if not all inter-denominational debates within Christianity that involve different interpretations of scripture are about periphery issues, not core tenets. Masked_Mantis said: This is my gripe with icirate. He keeps saying do you not see the wisdom, the good moral values and way of life from Christianity. And honestly no, I see indoctrination and a disgusting view on sexual purity. Such a view is so obsessed with individualism that it forsakes the society entirely; And you can't teach someone history without indoctrinating them to some set or other of moral values. A disgusting view on sexual purity? Telling people to abstain from rampant promiscuity and sodomy and stopping the spreading of sexually transmitted diseases is 'disgusting'? lol |
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LionCake said: so it implies that there can be absolute truths? Well, as I recall that History will always be an absolute truthKaradzic said: well what i said was simply an opinion. its a method to understand the world. like how walking is a method to travel. you cant really classify walking as wrong or right. same as how you cant classify my method of understanding the world as wrong or right.so there can be a possibility that its false? |
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incisorr said: i love it when people start acting like some neutral almighty unbiased godly judge and they even believe their own shit, suddenly its not their thoughts and opinions anymore but the righteous justice god way, they are unbiased, non-subjective, they just are! To be honest, everyone is like this quite often, me included, but i don't forget myself and i still post a lot of personal shit which is what forums are made for , if they didn't want us to have our own style and posts it would be an article instead a forum thread. |
Karadzic said: so it implies that there can be absolute truths? Well, as I recall that History will always be an absolute truth History in itself has happened, but the people who write it down are biased. Imagine how we would look at WW2 if the Nazis had won. There's this famous saying "History is written by the winners." Have you heard about how the Japanese severely downplay the atrocities and war crimes they committed in school text books? Everyone loves demonising the opposition and making one's own side look fault free. |
Kokko said: there can be different views and in sights of the event but still an absolute truth that the event happenedKaradzic said: so it implies that there can be absolute truths? Well, as I recall that History will always be an absolute truth History in itself has happened, but the people who write it down are biased. Imagine how we would look at WW2 if the Nazis had won. There's this famous saying "History is written by the winners." Have you heard about how the Japanese severely downplay the atrocities and war crimes they committed in school text books? Everyone loves demonising the opposition and making one's own side look fault free. |
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Karadzic said: Kokko said: there can be different views and in sights of the event but still an absolute truth that the event happenedHistory in itself has happened, but the people who write it down are biased. Imagine how we would look at WW2 if the Nazis had won. There's this famous saying "History is written by the winners." Have you heard about how the Japanese severely downplay the atrocities and war crimes they committed in school text books? Everyone loves demonising the opposition and making one's own side look fault free. Can you be 100% certain that events have happened? Even if the chances are as close to nil as possible, how do you know that the Venice Arsenal was founded in 1104 with absolute certainty? What if someone wrote the date wrong or faked the date on purpose? What if you're completely shitfaced and dreaming this in a ditch and there never was a Venice Arsenal? What if you're actually in a coma right now and everything you think you know is a lie? The things I said are ridiculously improbable but still probable, even if the chance is lower than a billionth of a percentage. For there to be an absolute truth our senses would have to be infallible. |
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Kokko said: Karadzic said: there can be different views and in sights of the event but still an absolute truth that the event happened Can you be 100% certain that events have happened? Even if the chances are as close to nil as possible, how do you know that the Venice Arsenal was founded in 1104 with absolute certainty? What if someone wrote the date wrong or faked the date on purpose? What if you're completely shitfaced and dreaming this in a ditch and there never was a Venice Arsenal? What if you're actually in a coma right now and everything you think you know is a lie? The things I said are ridiculously improbable but still probable, even if the chance is lower than a billionth of a percentage. For there to be an absolute truth our senses would have to be infallible. ^ this |
LionCake said: Praise1. Im not a prissy faggot that gets offended. 2. I am an agnostic athiest, that cant really be criticized. I havent seen anything that criticizes it in a serious medium. Because atheism is a logically secure and reasonable "belief" with no flaws to begin with. 3. I have seen anime that insult Buddhism which hardly bothers me. Buddhism is one of the very few religions I actually respect. |
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| Well as a Muslim, there's not that much Islamic anime or manga around here to get even mad at lol. Aside from some that I've watched and read that have some minor connections to Islam, all of them have displayed full respect to the religion, so we're cool. |
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| Since I consider myself a rational human being (atheist) with a open mind, I would never drop an anime for such a stupid reason. |
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| No. If anything, it amuses me when they try and fail with laughable reasoning or approach that level of edge that makes you think of fedoras. Most of all, I just laugh at the extent to which they try to convince themselves that it is "logical". That's usually the surest sign that the person has no idea what they are talking about. Other times it's mostly just offhand remarks that don't really matter. |
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| Well, "they know it's just entertainment" is not always the case. Funny enough, in many cases it's the non-religious that flock to religious movies and media to complain and insult, then turn around to make claims about "open minds" and "don't care". Such hypocrisy just adds to the amusement, you can even see such posts in this thread. There'd be nothing left to do except either pull out the popcorn or join in on the fun. |
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Zeally said: Nah I wouldn't give 2 shits |
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RedRoseFring said: Well, "they know it's just entertainment" is not always the case. Funny enough, in many cases it's the non-religious that flock to religious movies and media to complain and insult, then turn around to make claims about "open minds" and "don't care". Such hypocrisy just adds to the amusement, you can even see such posts in this thread. There'd be nothing left to do except either pull out the popcorn or join in on the fun. Nope. Atheists watch those movies and make fun one of them because almost every single one of them is garbage. What you are describing is not happening. |
Kuruwin said: RedRoseFring said: Well, "they know it's just entertainment" is not always the case. Funny enough, in many cases it's the non-religious that flock to religious movies and media to complain and insult, then turn around to make claims about "open minds" and "don't care". Such hypocrisy just adds to the amusement, you can even see such posts in this thread. There'd be nothing left to do except either pull out the popcorn or join in on the fun. Nope. Atheists watch those movies and make fun one of them because almost every single one of them is garbage. What you are describing is not happening. And why are they garbage? Because they mention god. "Ugh! Muh feelings! Don't like dis god person. Dey saying religious stuff, so bad." Those that complain about production values and acting obviously have different text from those whose delicate sensibilities were triggered by fearful religious content. It's as amusing as the religious ones who complain about Satan being in Wreck it Ralph. |
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RedRoseFring said: Kuruwin said: Nope. Atheists watch those movies and make fun one of them because almost every single one of them is garbage. What you are describing is not happening. And why are they garbage? Because they mention god. "Ugh! Muh feelings! Don't like dis god person. Dey saying religious stuff, so bad." Those that complain about production values and acting obviously have different text from those whose delicate sensibilities were triggered by fearful religious content. It's as amusing as the religious ones who complain about Satan being in Wreck it Ralph. Most mainstream faith-based movies are total garbage, because they pander to idiots and have caricatures and strawmen aplenty, like God's not Dead. The ones that are actually good is stuff like The Seventh Seal, Diary of a Country Priest, The Passion of Joan of Arc etc. Some of the greatest novels ever written have also featured faith heavily, like The Karamazov Brothers and War and Peace. |
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Kokko said: RedRoseFring said: And why are they garbage? Because they mention god. "Ugh! Muh feelings! Don't like dis god person. Dey saying religious stuff, so bad." Those that complain about production values and acting obviously have different text from those whose delicate sensibilities were triggered by fearful religious content. It's as amusing as the religious ones who complain about Satan being in Wreck it Ralph. Most mainstream faith-based movies are total garbage, because they pander to idiots and have caricatures and strawmen aplenty, like God's not Dead. The ones that are actually good is stuff like The Seventh Seal, Diary of a Country Priest, The Passion of Joan of Arc etc. Some of the greatest novels ever written have also featured faith heavily, like The Karamazov Brothers and War and Peace. Yep, just like those who believe anime panders to preverts and man-children with caricatures of fans. Definitely have a worthwhile point there. That also gives the implication that the "good ones" are those that don't make their message overt. Dat salt is too real anytime dem god messages make an appearance, so the default defense mechanism of ridicule is employed to try and settle the rustled jimmies. |
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sleepyclouds said: I may be Christian but Im not offended easily nor do I use my region as an influence on media to not like something. I agree with her. I'm also a Christian and FMA:B is my favorite show. Considering how the main protagonist is an atheist and how he talks about his disbelief in God never really offended me. There are other shows like that too but at the end of the day, we need to be mature and handle situations like these. I'm sure that we all have our own opinions :D |
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RedRoseFring said: Yep, just like those who believe anime panders to preverts and man-children with caricatures of fans. Definitely have a worthwhile point there. That also gives the implication that the "good ones" are those that don't make their message overt. Dat salt is too real anytime dem god messages make an appearance, so the default defense mechanism of ridicule is employed to try and settle the rustled jimmies. It's painfully clear that you haven't seen or read any of the movies and books I mentioned... How can you pull that shit out of your ass and expect me to take you seriously? |
Kokko said: RedRoseFring said: Yep, just like those who believe anime panders to preverts and man-children with caricatures of fans. Definitely have a worthwhile point there. That also gives the implication that the "good ones" are those that don't make their message overt. Dat salt is too real anytime dem god messages make an appearance, so the default defense mechanism of ridicule is employed to try and settle the rustled jimmies. It's painfully clear that you haven't seen or read any of the movies and books I mentioned... How can you pull that shit out of your ass and expect me to take you seriously? I have read the Karazamov Brothers and watched The Passion of Joan of Arc (albeit at a younger age), but of course historical perspectives of a theme that is also a present day issue can only get you so far. The saltiness behind your response is pretty revealing though. I don't bother with such stuff either, like Religulous that panders to idiots, but I find the idea of such productions that only serve to pat people on the back for their pre-existing position to be pretty amusing, especially when they make those with opposing views so abrasive. The only thing I would note for dem movies is that despite the poor values, resources and talent, they show at least some concern for the viewer. |
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