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May 18, 2014 4:47 PM
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Well, I had real big doubts about this anime at first (probably because I'm such a fan of Nihei's manga) but I've started to like it. The 3D style actually fits because it lets the characters stand alone and isolated from the background, which is also the case in the manga.

Without spoiling anything though: I don't like how they skip scenes from the manga, I hate it.

But still, the atmosphere is right.
May 18, 2014 6:32 PM

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Awwwwwn, well, fuck. I should have seen those damn death flag :(
Just when she was becoming best girl, she die. That show really don't fuck with killing character xD

Fuck fuck, I'm sure it's that fucker grey hair dude fault. That greedy jealous fucker, I hope he die in a painful way alone in space.

R.I.P. Hoshijiro, ep.1-ep.6, killed by death flag
minouneetzoeMay 18, 2014 6:36 PM
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May 18, 2014 7:23 PM

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So much for that member of the harem :/ Should've seen that bathysphere trip for the death flag that it was. Odd with how they went straight from getting ready for the battle to Nagate waking up injured after the fight. We know that Hoshijiro died, and that douchebag guy blamed him for it, but I'm betting that the actual events went down differently. Next episode should have plenty of action as we find out what actually went down against the nest-type. I hope so, anyway ... if they skip it entirely or just give us glimpses, I will not be a happy camper.
May 18, 2014 7:45 PM
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Onbuu said:
I knew Mr.Butthurt was full of crap when he said, lets put our disagreement aside and lets be comrades .


As someone who read the manga, I hate Kunato's guts to the nth level after this episode.
May 18, 2014 7:51 PM
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I don't rule out some sort of sabotage by Kunato (or at least interference). And while I normally don't appreciate characters coming back from the dead, I'm hoping that Hoshijiro is more a case of MIA, still alive somewhere, than actually dead. If she is then...dammmn.


This is the best comment I've read in this thread so far.
May 18, 2014 8:28 PM

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Kuroshin said:
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I don't rule out some sort of sabotage by Kunato (or at least interference). And while I normally don't appreciate characters coming back from the dead, I'm hoping that Hoshijiro is more a case of MIA, still alive somewhere, than actually dead. If she is then...dammmn.


This is the best comment I've read in this thread so far.
While I don't know the true in detail because I haven't read the manga yet but there was something very interesting that Hoshijiro mention in the last episode "You know, sometimes I have the feeling the Guana are trying to be friends."


"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie."
May 18, 2014 8:48 PM

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Damn that girl is dead????? I bet that white haired bastard had something to do with it. You could tell how fake he was acting.
May 18, 2014 8:51 PM

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Holy shit that ending, for a moment I thought it was all a dream lol.
Well, let's hope Hoshijiro is still alive, it would be such a pity .. I mean she could have gave a lot more. Although it seems pretty strange that she's dead like that.

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Stop going to the Bathsphere. It's a death flag in disguise.
Indeed.
May 18, 2014 10:18 PM
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Nooo! Not his main bitch. Well at least he still has a couple side bitches.
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May 18, 2014 10:27 PM

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Kunato is a complete prick. God I hope he dies in the most gruesome way. Also just noticed Nagate carrying that sword, for the first time in an episode I think.
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May 19, 2014 1:59 AM

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God I'm actually so sad she's gone. I really wish she didn't die T_T and if Kunato had something to do with it I'm be so angry arg! ><
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May 19, 2014 6:17 AM

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lol as always you need some harem elements to a series
what do we want 'MORE MIKU NENDORIODS' when do we want them 'NOW'
May 19, 2014 7:03 AM
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And thus, the real mindfuck begins. Look forward to it, or shiver in fearful anticipation. Or both :p
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I doubt that she really died, she is the main heroine and should have plot armor, probably got captured and tentacleraped by the last escaped gauna. I more suprised that they killed 28 gaunas, when 1t was a big deal with just one, and now even noob Kunato killed 4, or they were weaker type?;
Nihei doesn't deal in plot armor. At all. The only one safe is the one main character (most of the time), and usually everyone else dies. SnK is pretty light compared to Blame!, for example.
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Kunato is a complete prick. God I hope he dies in the most gruesome way. Also just noticed Nagate carrying that sword, for the first time in an episode I think.
AnimeFan500 said:
Stop going to the Bathsphere. It's a death flag in disguise. Hoshijiro NOOOOOOOOOO
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May 19, 2014 9:32 AM

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Hoshijiro... No. ;-;

Next week better come quick. I need to see what happened!
May 19, 2014 10:28 AM

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I am still laughing about people expecting "plot armor" in a story penned by Tsutomu Nihei. xDDD

Urobutcher looks like a harmless kitten when next to this man.
May 19, 2014 10:49 AM

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Fai said:
Urobutcher looks like a harmless kitten when next to this man.

If Attack on Titan was inspired by this guy's work, then this explains a lot .___.
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Urobutcher looks like a harmless kitten when next to this man.

If Attack on Titan was inspired by this guy's work, then this explains a lot .___.



Attack on Titan looks like a harmless kitten next to this man's work.

And yes AoT is basically a fanfic, less grim, less dark version of Nihei's works.
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Fai said:
Botato said:
Fai said:
Urobutcher looks like a harmless kitten when next to this man.

If Attack on Titan was inspired by this guy's work, then this explains a lot .___.


Attack on Titan looks like a harmless kitten next to this man's work.

Oh cool. Now I will try my hardest not to like the characters at all :|
May 19, 2014 11:27 AM

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Botato said:
Fai said:
Botato said:
Fai said:
Urobutcher looks like a harmless kitten when next to this man.

If Attack on Titan was inspired by this guy's work, then this explains a lot .___.


Attack on Titan looks like a harmless kitten next to this man's work.

Oh cool. Now I will try my hardest not to like the characters at all :|


Don't worry, most of times you won't even notice that your favorite died, till few scenes latter. And sometimes it happens offscreen.

That's how many fucks about deaths the author gives.
May 19, 2014 11:56 AM

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Fai said:
Don't worry, most of times you won't even notice that your favorite died, till few scenes latter. And sometimes it happens offscreen.

That's how many fucks about deaths the author gives.

This makes it worse..
'Don't worry' is out of place here ._.
May 19, 2014 12:43 PM

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I'm a little disappointed that they didn't show the battle :/
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Fai said:
And yes AoT is basically a fanfic, less grim, less dark version of Nihei's works.
A good fanfic, tho. ( ͜。 ͡ʖ ͜。)
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
May 19, 2014 1:15 PM

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I'm a little disappointed that they didn't show the battle :/

Don't worry they will show it.
May 19, 2014 2:24 PM
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Well, let's face it. There were death-flags all over the place, now, and in the former episode.


I mean: you do NOT give someone urine to drink and expect to live another day, do you?
May 19, 2014 2:32 PM

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Well Hoshijiro is
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May 19, 2014 3:01 PM
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An elite squad failed to take down the Gauna, yet the main character did it by himself. And you don't see that as an 'over-powered Gary Stu lead'? I'll admit Sidonia is fresh but then again Pupa was also new and 'fresh' yet that's probably the shittest anime to come out this year.

The best way to explain what I mean by lack of atmosphere would be JoJo. Watch the new JoJo: Stardust Crusaders and then watch the older one. Everything seems slow and lifeless in the older one.

I don't really see what's so deep and complex about this. What you define as 'deep' I'd just say that's because we don't know much about the past and what exactly happened to humanity. There's nothing complex about this show it's very straightforward, apart from a talking bear.


It actually oozes atmosphere. It's just the Tsutomu Nihei kind of atmosphere. Slightly eerie, disconcerting and filled with a feeling of foreboding.

I agree with you in that it's not deep. It's actually the most straightforward and simple story Nihei has ever made IMO. But please don't say something like Mahouka is better than this. You come off as a troll instead as someone trying to make a serious argument.


I don't really agree with MAL's ratings but when there's a 500 place gap between 2 shows you have to at least consider that the one that's 500 places ahead might just be better.

I agree that's it a bit cliche but Mahoukou to me is more interesting to watch. I'm not really a fan of slow anime (that's why I never liked Haibane Renmei) and that's probably why I haven't caught the Sidonia bug. Nor do I like Mecha/Sci-fi shows so I'm a bit biased against it.

Also @RazzleDazzle - JoJo does have a decent atmosphere IMO. But it defines on your definition of 'atmosphere'. I'd say it's the tone or mood of a place. JoJo has a light hearted mood but also has suspense. For example, I'm much more anxious to find out what happens in the next episode of JoJo but I'm not that desperate for the next Sidonia episode.


Yes and no. I agree that, theoretically, one could perceive rankings as one way to determine the quality of an anime. Could. Hypothetically. If one subscribe to that premise.

Fact is, almost none actually do consider this to be the case. Certainly not considering it the most important factor, and the weight to give it is rather subjective, thus. For instance, does a good rating implies the anime being *good* or the anime being *popular*? The two are distinct, yet, with the former premise, one would equal popularity with quality. That premise may be doubted. In fact, it almost certainly is, if you look at it from the aspect of consistency.

Think about it. If that premise was REALLY true, then Bleach, Naruto and OP would constitute the very best that anime has to offer. At their high-days, when they were at their pinnacle of popularity (and to a degree still are), they were being far more popular (and dito ranked) than a whole bunch of deeper, thought-provoking, interesting anime with intricate and consistent worldbuilding.The problem with this is, that a majority of animefans, certainly the younger public, care less about those things than mindless action or cool sounding oneliners.

However, it's also notable that, the older anime-fans get, and the more they see different types of anime and thus the more they can compare better, or/and get the maturity to understand the deeper meaning of some anime, the less they consider those popular anime - which they once were so fond of - as being with 'the best out there'. This points towards the mistake of equalling 'popular' with 'high-quality' anime; if they were really *that* good, they would remain at the top, even/also for yourself. The anime that are extremely good grow out to be *classics*: anime that you still find superb even after years and watching dozens of other anime.

If an anime lacks such a defining characteristic - though granted, it takes time for an anime to establish itself that way - it's not really a superb anime, regardless of it's one-time or continuous popularity. Just like you would like pokemon more than GitS when you were 7, so it goes with all anime. People who never grow out of their fanboyism in thinking Pokemon is the best anime evvah, are simplistic souls with a screw loose, and are mentally infantile. Pokemon is quite good *for (the mindset of) kids* (and there will always be kids, hence the continuous popularity of anime that are meant for kids and teenagers, who prefer action above story or worldbuilding, etc), but it's not high quality anime as such. At least, not as a more mature audience, well versed in watching and comparing different anime, would define it.
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May 19, 2014 3:09 PM

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I can't believe Hoshijiro is dead already... Poor Nagate... He was popular but now everyone hates him again, this is Kunato's doing for sure.
May 19, 2014 10:38 PM
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Watashi Subs are still at episode 2.
Underwater's delayed.

Welp.

Judging from these guys who watched the raw and understood it (lucky qq), Hoshijiro.. OH NO QQ!!
Gonna edit this after watching. :/


I wonder how many subbers are working on that No Game No Life and Mahouka Koukou garbage?

I'd probably be pretty pissed off if I knew. This community as a whole needs to get its priorities straight :/


The reason you don't see subs for Sidonia anywhere near as quick is that there are no official streams to rip subs from. The offical stream comes in July rather than as a simulcast.

All subbing groups will use the extant subs as a basis, it's just common sense.
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Visualized said:

By the way, HorribleSubs subbed Ars Nova yet they didn't do this one. And Netflix streaming this is wonderful. More people can enjoy it.

As a matter of note, HorribleSubs don't translate any shows. That's not what they do. They don't even do recodes. They just rip the streams as-is from CR, Funimation and a couple of other services, repackage them as .mkvs and release them on nyaa torrents.

So if a show isn't simulcast on one of the big services, you won't find it on HorribleSubs. That's why they never do movies or OVAs or DVD/BD releases. This is all explained on HS's page at horriblesubs.info, under the "about" section.

So it's completely meaningless to say "HorribleSubs ripped that but they didn't rip this". HS rips any and all shit that comes down the wire that they have access to. e.g. theÿ "subbed" Super Sonico: The Animation, but aren't subbing Sidonia no Kishi. That says nothing about the relative quality of the actual shows.
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Holy shit, take about cruel.

She got saved, drifted with MC in space for 11 days, got saved, got some "romance" almost going on, only to die offscreen next episode.
Before their bathysphere scene I actually thought they might go somewhere with their romance, after that scene I hoped deathflags were just my imagination.

If there was any doubt in my mind it's all gone now, favorite show of the season and a great, great show.

I am also glad to report I am finally distinguishing characters :P

Even in an episode filled with light mood someone just had to die. Shame it was Shizuka, I actually liked her ;(
May 20, 2014 12:11 AM

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Why would someone compare this with a generic crappy show like mahouka? Please don't do that because mahouka could never get any near to the awesomeness of Sidonia.
May 20, 2014 6:27 AM
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I'm really wondering if they're gonna include some of the later, more ... disturbing ... scenes from the manga.



I hope they have the balls to do it.
And to the people complaining that this anime is slow: it should actually be even slower, as they're skipping scenes from the manga.

Compared to the other works of Nihei, Sidonia is also pretty fast-paced. Most of the atmosphere in his other works comes from wide open vistas and environments that the characters trek across.
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I'm really wondering if they're gonna include some of the later, more ... disturbing ... scenes from the manga.



I hope they have the balls to do it.
And to the people complaining that this anime is slow: it should actually be even slower, as they're skipping scenes from the manga.

Compared to the other works of Nihei, Sidonia is also pretty fast-paced. Most of the atmosphere in his other works comes from wide open vistas and environments that the characters trek across.


I am not sure they will have time to reach that . AT best they will go through end of Volume Four, with
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May 20, 2014 7:55 AM

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I wonder when is Mr. Envy gonna kick the bucket.
Bet he's part of the cause of wtf just happened at the end.
May 20, 2014 8:04 AM

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Uhh, please don't word posts like this. I didn't click on any spoiler tag, but from the wording alone I can already know what happened.
It's the same with the thread about Izana's pronouns. I came there expecting a nice discussion about linguistiics and got spoiled horribly without even opening the tags.
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Reite said:
ma_ko said:
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Uhh, please don't word posts like this. I didn't click on any spoiler tag, but from the wording alone I can already know what happened.
It's the same with the thread about Izana's pronouns. I came there expecting a nice discussion about linguistiics and got spoiled horribly without even opening the tags.


Agreed, why not just put all the stuff in the spoiler tag and let the ones who want to be spoiled do the clicking?

That said, I think the author did an absolute excellent job here, seeing as so many people are pulling their hair out because who we thought was the main girl just died. I saw the salute and that smile and was already expecting shit to go down. The way they presented it makes watching the next episode all the more anticipated. It's a marketing ploy and almost everyone here is falling for it.

2 minutes, it took just 2 minutes for Tanikaze to go from Hero to Zero.What I don't get is why the 10 sisters are so pissed off at him right now, it's not like Pinky died, now is it? It was just the Hoshijiro..... I also don't get how Tanikaze could forget even the beginning of the battle, that doesn't make sense. His recollection just goes from getting ready to launch to waking up in a hospital bed. He should at least remember the start of deployment and a bit of the battle, unless his PTSD has subconsciously forced him to forget, or unless Kunato messed with his brain or something.

In any case, I get the feeling that Tanikaze really did mess up on this one. Even if Kunato made a mess of things, he wouldn't be able to hide or change all the battle data from his fellow soldiers, from HQ or from the cadets watching the broadcasts. He wouldn't have had the time to manipulate so many factors just to frame Tanikaze during a battle with the Gauna.

I can't wait till the next episode to see what the hell happened out there!
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Despite its 3D art that takes a bit to get used to, this is one of the few anime that make me feel, that have me on edge and glued to the screen for the duration of the whole episode.

And honestly, it is the only anime that portrays space realistically. No other has ever done it before. In that regard, I'd compare it to the movie Gravity.
Don't you think "Oh, not again" when you hear an anime start with cicadas?
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Why would someone compare this with a generic crappy show like mahouka? Please don't do that because mahouka could never get any near to the awesomeness of Sidonia.


Well, for a shounen Mahouka isn't all that bad. Compare it with machine doll, and it's actually quite good.

That said, it doesn't come anywhere near sidonia, but then again, it's a totally different genre.
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Despite its 3D art that takes a bit to get used to, this is one of the few anime that make me feel, that have me on edge and glued to the screen for the duration of the whole episode.

And honestly, it is the only anime that portrays space realistically. No other has ever done it before. In that regard, I'd compare it to the movie Gravity.


From what I recall Gravity doesn't portray space realistically. Ignoring that, I don't think it was a good movie either.
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skudoops said:
U9 said:
Despite its 3D art that takes a bit to get used to, this is one of the few anime that make me feel, that have me on edge and glued to the screen for the duration of the whole episode.

And honestly, it is the only anime that portrays space realistically. No other has ever done it before. In that regard, I'd compare it to the movie Gravity.


From what I recall Gravity doesn't portray space realistically. Ignoring that, I don't think it was a good movie either.
The movie is only decent, true, and realistic is still subjective. But if you want to compare it to Star Wars or any of the genre, then it did it much, much better. Excluding for instance the scene where he released himself to save her (after the initial pull, the ropes should have made him go back, it's not like there was a black hole sucking him in) and a couple of others, it's as realistic as you are likely to get.

As for Sidonia, come on, when has anyone ever made an anime where distance, travel and speed in space seemed even remotely realistic?

I have the feeling Tanikaze messed up in "cutting the tail" whatever that is supposed to mean, because he was trying to save Hoshijiro. Imagine, the leader tells him to do "it", but he refuses, wanting to wait a bit, because she is in danger and wants to help her first, or maybe she would have been in danger had he done "it".

I knew there was something wrong with the way things were going. Their romance progressed way too fast. Not to mention that it is Izana who is tagged as main character...
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Don't you think "Oh, not again" when you hear an anime start with cicadas?
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Why, why Hoshijiro?!

I kind of don't want to see the actual battle, meaning Hishijiro's death and Nagate going from hero to zero. I hated it when everyone was treating him like garbage before
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skudoops said:
U9 said:
Despite its 3D art that takes a bit to get used to, this is one of the few anime that make me feel, that have me on edge and glued to the screen for the duration of the whole episode.

And honestly, it is the only anime that portrays space realistically. No other has ever done it before. In that regard, I'd compare it to the movie Gravity.


From what I recall Gravity doesn't portray space realistically. Ignoring that, I don't think it was a good movie either.


It portrays space relatively realistically. You could probably count all the movies in the recent years that have portrayed space like that with one hand.
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By the way, HorribleSubs subbed Ars Nova yet they didn't do this one. And Netflix streaming this is wonderful. More people can enjoy it.

As a matter of note, HorribleSubs don't translate any shows. That's not what they do. They don't even do recodes. They just rip the streams as-is from CR, Funimation and a couple of other services, repackage them as .mkvs and release them on nyaa torrents.

So if a show isn't simulcast on one of the big services, you won't find it on HorribleSubs. That's why they never do movies or OVAs or DVD/BD releases. This is all explained on HS's page at horriblesubs.info, under the "about" section.

So it's completely meaningless to say "HorribleSubs ripped that but they didn't rip this". HS rips any and all shit that comes down the wire that they have access to. e.g. theÿ "subbed" Super Sonico: The Animation, but aren't subbing Sidonia no Kishi. That says nothing about the relative quality of the actual shows.


Ah I see. I always had wondered that HorribleSubs felt like their subs were from official sources. Turns out they get them from CR and FUNimation. Thanks for the information. Still don't know a thing or two about the anime world.
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Fai said:

I am not sure they will have time to reach that . AT best they will go through end of Volume Four, with
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You're probably right.
I do hope for a second season in that case :) Nihei does deserve to have some anime that do his works justice imo.
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Damn, here I was shipping for Tanikaze and Hoshijiro! Then bam! She died.. tsk tsk...
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I laughed at the post comparing this to the juvenile power-fantasy that is Mahouka. They aren't even on the same level, the judgment being in favor of Sidonia hands down.
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Damn, here I was shipping for Tanikaze and Hoshijiro! Then bam! She died.. tsk tsk...


episode 7 should enlighten us all as to what happened. I strongly suggest you continue to watch
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FAAAAAAAARK!!!!! Shizuka!!!!!! *sob* best girl is dead.

Excellent episode once again!

You know what would be great? If everyone would shut the fuck up about NGNL and Mahouka and actually discuss this episode!
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I think that next episodes deaths will be somehow caused by Cuntato
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Eh? The best 4 pilots screw up against the first ganda and now that white haired dude that lost against one of the 4 best pilots singlehandedly kills 4 of dem gaunas, and the mc who killed the gauna the best 4 pilots couldnt, screws up? I smell bullshit, big bullshit.

Not liking this. Always hate when the "jealous, and manipulates machine" trope that is probably going down now. Im so sure he did something to the mcs gauna. Or something similar. Not a fan of this at all.
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