| They are only minority on their platform. Normal people so not even use it. |
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| Realistically this will collapse the moment the US and French animation industries just start putting out more stuff with anime like art style since that's all most care about. Only thing that can prevent anime from losing it's identity is for the Japanese economy to improve so more Japanese people being important to focus on. The current threat of heavy tariffs on Japan will potentially turn anime into just a Western outsource medium. |
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@ForgotEyeWasHere listen!! i dont know or care how they do it these days i hate modern trends ...but what i do know is when people bash dub they bash my boy steve blum who was the voice of Spike in bebop which is seen as the greatest dub of all time and proves dubs can be good and can be good again
thankyou again for proving you are a clueless noob tourist
thankyou again for proving you are a clueless noob tourist
| @ItachiDeltaForce and then every dub for the next 5 years had Steve Blum in a major role. |
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There's a reason it's called "Sturgeon's Law", and not "Sturgeon's Theory"... The term "proletariat" was invented in ancient Rome for the class of people whose only property was their prole. I suggest the term "censitariat" for the large amounts of people whose only function seems to be being counted on census. Because, let's be honest: You never see them talking anywhere, you never see them making anything, you never see them PERIOD. I mean, yeah, if you want to, say, sell corn flakes, then perhaps it's wiser to listen to Pareto's 80%, but if you want to foster a community, an environment, then it's Pareto's 20% which are responsible for everything that will influence the remaining 80%. The 80% might go to another hobby in the blink of an eye, but it was the 20% who built the entire culture and structure of it. That's why I don't understand that guy's point: You could've just said, 20 years ago "Ehrm, the majority of people watching anime are watching dubbed Pokemon on TV, not buying OVAs or watching Eureka 7 hardsubbed", and I would be like "Yeah, no shit, lol". But tell me now: Where are that "majority of people watching dubbed Pokemon on TV" nowadays? |
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@xLoop youre denying that it ranks in top 10 on legal streaming sites each week
| @deg I did not deny anything, the word you're looking for is ignoring/overlooking I did not find it worth addressing, top 10 in specific regions on a specific streaming platform is hardly worth bragging about without absolute numbers. Besides, we know Lazarus was popular - it's the 2nd most popular in new shows of the season on MAL. Albeit, it was a pretty dry season. You can say Lazarus was popular and that's why it's likely to get a 2nd season and I won't deny that, but it was not well regarded critically. There's plenty of shit shows that get sequels. |
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| Sub purists more and more are the type who do piracy, so I'm not surprised. It'll probably mean a backslide into fansubbing, if I had to guess, which sucks. It doesn't help that Crunchyroll's Subtitles are kinda dooky deg said: Unlikely. They're still cheaper to produce and there are still smaller scale localizationssubs gonna die sooner or later? |
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| Of course they are. Any subs watcher that respects themselves, watch fansubs, rather than shitty subs, Crunchy, and Netflix are offering. Way too many times those official subs have been unwatchable or incomplete, it was obvious that the audience would eventually migrate. And if you watch a Netflix anime illegally, why the heck would you bother to watch another one on Disney or Max, when all you need is on a single site. Dubs usually come later too, so dubs watchers aren't affected the same way subs are, by Netflix and Disney delaying the release of a seasonal anime to drop it whole at the end of the season. So, those changing trends are not the result of audience taste changing, but the platforms failing to hold the audience from moving to piracy and illegal streaming. But obviously the suits in those companies, who have everything except knowledge and competence, will understand exactly the opposite about the situation, and they will invest even less in subs and push machine translations, to save costs, because the audience is shrinking anyway, which will result in more shitty subs, which will push away the remainder of the audience. deg said: @WaterMage china bans a lot of anti government anime like attack on titan and they censor with white blood making it look cum plus they put clothes on sexy anime characters and india hates record of ragnarok because india is a religious country https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/anime/is-record-of-ragnark-anime-banned-in-india-a-look-at-one-of-the-most-controversial-anime/articleshow/120648655.cms There is a massive difference between censoring and banning things in your own country, and wanting to change things and censor at the root, like the Americans want. The Chinese influence on the anime industry is minimal because at the end of the day, they permit a limited amount of foreign media every year anyway, and they may accept or reject an anime from their market. That is very different from the American push, of changing anime and manga, and what is acceptable and not directly in Japan to fit American ideology. Yet, with all the culture wars in America, for the past decade, all I've see is failure in changing the Japanese industry from the outside. deg said: @WaterMage youre forgetting japan has bad economy right now and one good growing sector is the anime industry and like any capitalist they want to maximize profit and no better way to do that than enter the global market Japan has had a bad economy for as long as I and you have been alive. It doesn't change much. Yes, the anime industry is growing, but the Japanese government is inept and incompetent without measure, and the anime industry is very comfortable. In any country in the position of Japan, the government would have given fat subsidies to the anime industry, and tax exemptions to help it grow further, as it's culturally very valuable. Yet what did the Japanese government did in the past few years? They cut the tax exemptions on freelance animators, who make under the minimum wage anyway. Also, the industry hasn't been growing globally due to the anime industry's hard work. It grew because of Western companies that created the distribution channels for it. Because as early as the late 2010s, the Japanese anime industry was convinced that there is no way that Westerners can understand anime and Japanese culture so there is no market there. That's why the industry and distribution is so outdated - why we have localization and regional licences like in the cable TV era, to post anime on the internet. The Japanese anime industry is incapable of changing and adapting. If something works, they stick with it until the ship sinks. So things don't get better, and don't get worse either. They just stay the same, until there is no other way but to change something, and then repeat the cycle. So, no, the anime industry won't go woke and shit like that to make more money, nor try to go more global. They will do what they have done until now. Wait for a market to build itself, and then just sell licences and profit. deg said: @WaterMage india and china are one of the growing economies and potentially become few of the biggest so obviously capitalists like the anime industry will want to enter their markets and to do that they will censor or make tamer shows just to appeal to their laws and cultures Yet this didn't happen in the past decade. We've been having these same predictions and discussions since 2014, and nothing has happened. You just can't make the Japanese be less Japanese, for the sake of supposedly making money in another country. I also have never seen to this day, Western trends having any influence on the Japanese industry. China didn't change the Japanese industry in any way either, if anything it was the reverse. The success of Japanese pop culture forced CCP to give it's own entertainment industry some freedom to make cool stuff, all of whom are built on Japanese anime culture. As for India - sorry, but the concept of India being on the brick of becoming some rich, growing economy with influence globally like China, is laughable if you know anything about India. Japan has been doing some surprising moves with India, of at least distributing some anime movies in cinemas. But rupies at the end of the day are worth less than the yen. You are worrying over nothing. If anime could get it's roots so deep in the Middle East of all places, I think anime can survive in any environment. |
kronopyJul 12, 3:50 AM
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| I prefer English dubbed anime over English subbed anime. I don't bother with English subs, unless a dub is not available. I think it takes too much effort to read the subtitles, which is why I like dubs more than subs. |
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| To me, it explained Netflix’s decision to delay The Fragrant Flower Blooms With Dignity. They don’t want the dub watchers be spoiled by the sub watchers. On the flip side, they may be (somewhat?) aware that this could be a hit. |
| If you watch dubbed anime then you shouldn't be counted as an anime "fan" and instead an anime "aware" person. You don't watch anime, you're simply notified of it's existence through localization. May we all live in a world where the tower of babel incident didn't happen. |
| Why is there now hundreds of threads about this when it's all just for the same tired debate that should've honestly stopped around the time when both sub and dub could be offered at once ala DVDs and that is still the case even through streaming You sure aren't making it easy for anyone who just likes either one or the other or both For one year , watch anime only through VHS releases and you'll be grateful for options that lets us have both which have been around for three decades |
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If you watch dubbed anime then you shouldn't be counted as an anime "fan" and instead an anime "aware" person. You don't watch anime, you're simply notified of it's existence through localization. May we all live in a world where the tower of babel incident didn't happen.
| @Lentus1 you realize creating a subtitle track is also localization right? |
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| lol finally when i started to use crunchyroll and i've always used subs no matter what x) so lame to watch dub, like the whole spirit is destroyed there |
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| ..."In other news the sky is now confirmed to be blue and the Earth, a three-dimensional sphere"... |
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| Actually now I think of it what is their default? Do they default to dubs or subs? |
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| My thoughts are that subs are still betttthan dubs, and subs are going nowhere as long as fans want to hear quality voice acting. |
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| panicbait aside, it's probably worth considering that it is possible that a good portion of viewers that fall within the dub majority might be children |
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deg said: so thoughts? subs gonna die sooner or later? will ai dubs become the future? I don't think so, beside anime, there's a lot of live-action foreign films and TV dramas/miniseries that still relied on subtitles (as in a lot of them don't have English dub, and also English dub on live-action stuff feels and doesn't capture the natural actors voice). Also, people nowaday are still watching English-dialogue spoken stuff in movies/TV series with subtitles/closed caption turned on: And if you want to know why people are turning on subtitles/closed caption despite the dialogue are spoken in English, this video below explain the whole thing (although the Vox video above has explained it in general, this video provides more insight and details): FYI: all video I linked above, turn on the "CC" if you want to get a better understanding. Thank goodness for closed captioning for all the English-spoken film and TV series/miniseries even if they do speak clear English: As long as English dialogue films and TV series have undiscernible or hard to understand dialogue even if spoken in English, it's a big necessary to have closed captioning/SDH subtitles for everyone even if they're not hard of hearing or deaf. |
mdo7Jul 13, 9:17 AM
| damn that's crazy... sad that I can't care |
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kronopy said: Any subs watcher that respects themselves, watch fansubs, rather than shitty subs, Crunchy, and Netflix are offering. Way too many times those official subs have been unwatchable or incomplete, it was obvious that the audience would eventually migrate. Yeah about fansubs, they're not perfect and they can suffer from the same thing as official subtitle too. I mean I agree that official subtitle can have it's flaws, but fansubs still have that same flaws too. However, there's been accusation of fansubbers using A.I like ChatGPT for translation in a similar way that Crunchyroll had used it. That's not the worse of it, I was currently watching an old school anime from the 80's on Youtube, and let say the 2nd half of the anime's fansub was done by another group that has bad subtitling, I mean let me show you: The first 23 episodes had some excellent subtitling like on the same level as Discotek or AnimEigo as you can see, but episode 24 and after, the subtitling was done by another group and you can see how bad this looks: And the subtitling is like that after 24, and that bad fansubbing is the reason why I can't continue watching this anime. Also, another problem for me for fansubbing is the awkward translation and too much profanity when the anime or manga never had that strong profanity in it's entirety, like for example this. This is the reason why I stayed away from fansubs for that reason. Well that, and the fansubbers used a censored broadcasting version as source material in recent times. You understand where I'm coming from. |
| Another deglicious nothingburger. My favorite! |
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| @WaterMage I don't even think woke means anything, because y'all call everything woke... |
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@deg They're using rotten tomatoes to decide the user reception - tell me when was the last time anyone gave a shit about rotten tomatoes for an anime?
Too small sample size to be meaningful
Meanwhile, here is MAL's score progression of the show - yeah real turn around in viewer opinion /s
The only thing consistent about Lazarus was its score dropping every week
As of the time of writing, Lazarus holds a 91% approval rating via review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes' "Tomatometer," which is averaged across 22 critical reviews. The series' user-generated "Popcornmeter" score sits at a lower 78% as averaged across fewer than 50 reviews.
Too small sample size to be meaningful
Meanwhile, here is MAL's score progression of the show - yeah real turn around in viewer opinion /s
The only thing consistent about Lazarus was its score dropping every week
| @xLoop Is this site the most accurate? Reviewbombing (scorebombing is more apt here) is a thing. Remember when people kept low scoring Fruits Basket, because they were angry that a Shoujo had a higher score than Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood? |
| I'm a long-time anime watcher, and I have to say that this is not new. In the 90s, anime distribution companies were saying the same thing, that dubs outsold subs by a large margin. But guess what? Subs are still here 30 years later. |
| Natsukashii Anime, reviewer of anime old and new, with an emphasis on nostalgia. Natsukashii Anime Reviews |
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@LSSJ_Gaming yeah but I can at least hear the actual thing and make my own judgement.
| @Lentus1 that you wouldn't be able to understand if not for subs. 🙂 |
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@Lentus1 that you wouldn't be able to understand if not for subs. 🙂
| @LuxuriousHeart Quiet please. In every world in every way dubbed material is to be considered inferior, because with subs even if the translator decides to translate wrong you can at least make that assumption because the actual thing is being said and based on that and a little bit of knowledge of the language you can conclude the translation was wrong. How is that gonna happen with dubs? |
| Irrelevant, for every person who watches anime on Netflix, there are 5 who watch anime on pirated sites or download torrents, 99% with subtitles. PS: can you imagine if prefer mediocre English dub to the original Japanese voice acting? XDDDDDDDD |
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Irrelevant, for every person who watches anime on Netflix, there are 5 who watch anime on pirated sites or download torrents, 99% with subtitles.
PS: can you imagine if prefer mediocre English dub to the original Japanese voice acting? XDDDDDDDD
PS: can you imagine if prefer mediocre English dub to the original Japanese voice acting? XDDDDDDDD
| @Rurihime that ratio is probably way off and the opposite. |
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Reply to natsukashiianime
I'm a long-time anime watcher, and I have to say that this is not new. In the 90s, anime distribution companies were saying the same thing, that dubs outsold subs by a large margin. But guess what? Subs are still here 30 years later.
| @natsukashiianime adds up. The few anime fans i knew in 2000s usually liked dubs |
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| They have to translate the script and time it to make a dub anyway. Even if didn't cost dozens of times as much to make a dub subs would still get released; we have nothing to worry about |
butahimeJul 14, 11:31 AM
| Real elitists just learn Japanese and look down on sub and dub watchers equally. |
| Dang Crunchyroll too? That actually find very surprising. |
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Reply to ComeInReiAsuka
@natsukashiianime adds up. The few anime fans i knew in 2000s usually liked dubs
| @ComeInReiAsuka I was in an anime club in the late 90s and early 2000s, back when everything was either commercial VHS/DVD or fansubs mailed to you on VHS. Most of us were sub watchers. |
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| I find it a little odd that so many people seem to think dubs being popular is something really awful. I mean, is this actually a thing that matters? I get that the whole dub vs sub debate has been around as long as they've been releasing anime both ways, but the idea that dubs being popular is bad, a sign of the end, insulting, hurting anime in general. These takes are all very new to me. |
Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@xLoop Is this site the most accurate? Reviewbombing (scorebombing is more apt here) is a thing. Remember when people kept low scoring Fruits Basket, because they were angry that a Shoujo had a higher score than Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood?
| @LuxuriousHeart It is a much bigger sample size and more accurate to get the general reception of anime fans than Rotten tomatoes at least. Let's not move the goalpost to "the most accurate" - I don't know which site that would be. Do tell if you're aware Score bombing was definitely a huge problem on MAL, I even wrote a script in 2019 for detecting them: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1811115&show=100&msgid=58671665 I used to joke that the B in FMAB stood for bots But in 2020 MAL made changes to try to counter this : https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1824703 I say try because its a black box so we users have no idea how effective their system is, better than nothing and anecdotally it seems somewhat effective |
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Reply to Lentus1
@LuxuriousHeart Quiet please. In every world in every way dubbed material is to be considered inferior, because with subs even if the translator decides to translate wrong you can at least make that assumption because the actual thing is being said and based on that and a little bit of knowledge of the language you can conclude the translation was wrong. How is that gonna happen with dubs?
| @Lentus1 LuxuriousHeart is right though. How would you even know the subs are accurate or not if you don't even know Japanese? And no, knowing honorifics like "chan, kun" or basic expressions like "ohayou" and "ittekimasu" doesn't count as knowing "some" Japanese. As for all dubs being awful, f you. Some dubs are actually great (e.g. Lucky Star English dub, Pripara Korean dub). And this is coming from someone who actually understands Japanese enough to watch the anime I like without subs. Dubs are not the same as the original, nor do they have to be. |
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Reply to DreamingBeats
@Lentus1 LuxuriousHeart is right though. How would you even know the subs are accurate or not if you don't even know Japanese? And no, knowing honorifics like "chan, kun" or basic expressions like "ohayou" and "ittekimasu" doesn't count as knowing "some" Japanese. As for all dubs being awful, f you. Some dubs are actually great (e.g. Lucky Star English dub, Pripara Korean dub). And this is coming from someone who actually understands Japanese enough to watch the anime I like without subs. Dubs are not the same as the original, nor do they have to be.
| @DreamingBeats I've got a good enough feel of the language to know when the translators are bullshitting. I'm was an amateur translator who volunteered to translate english western comics into persian, I know all translators are bullshitters. |
| No offense, but I think anime English dubs are better than anime English subs. |
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| there was a huge influx of noobs who joined recently, and they all chose to stream anime. I'm not surprised. subs won't die. at worst there'll be dubsubs like netflix does it. |
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Reply to xLoop
@LuxuriousHeart It is a much bigger sample size and more accurate to get the general reception of anime fans than Rotten tomatoes at least. Let's not move the goalpost to "the most accurate" - I don't know which site that would be. Do tell if you're aware
Score bombing was definitely a huge problem on MAL, I even wrote a script in 2019 for detecting them: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1811115&show=100&msgid=58671665
I used to joke that the B in FMAB stood for bots
But in 2020 MAL made changes to try to counter this : https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1824703
I say try because its a black box so we users have no idea how effective their system is, better than nothing and anecdotally it seems somewhat effective
Score bombing was definitely a huge problem on MAL, I even wrote a script in 2019 for detecting them: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1811115&show=100&msgid=58671665
I used to joke that the B in FMAB stood for bots
But in 2020 MAL made changes to try to counter this : https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1824703
I say try because its a black box so we users have no idea how effective their system is, better than nothing and anecdotally it seems somewhat effective
| @xLoop Not what I was getting at. How many people are review bombing Lazarus, simply because it's "woke" (i.e. has trans and black people)? How many genuinely just think it's an okayish 5/10 or 6/10 anime, hence the lowering of the score? |
Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@xLoop Not what I was getting at. How many people are review bombing Lazarus, simply because it's "woke" (i.e. has trans and black people)? How many genuinely just think it's an okayish 5/10 or 6/10 anime, hence the lowering of the score?
| @LuxuriousHeart Lazarus is American propaganda filled with wokeslop. Even putting aside the wokeslop it's just a pathetic knockoff/imitation of cowboy bebop made in attempt to nostalgia bait but it failed in every metric. Lazarus in it's current form: 1/10 Lazarus if it wasn't filled with wokeslop American propaganda: 3/10 |
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