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Jun 8, 2020 2:21 AM

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Cneq said:
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I would like to point out several things that some of the most well know peaceful protest happened with people still being violent around the protests.

see MLK and Maclom X

MLK didn't stop protesting for equal rights just because Maclom X's group were vandalizing and assaulting people.

similar things happened with gaunhdi. where there were people taking advantage of his peaceful activism to cause violence.

should they have gone.

"Welp some people are being violent pricks guess it's time to give up."

so why should peaceful protest stop just because some pricks are looting and causing trouble?

as for the whole pandemic thing. (as well as the illegal thing.)

many peaceful protests in the u.s woman suffrage, protests against Vietnam war, and again MLK did it despite knowing they might die or be hurt as a result.

such as a black person refusing to give up there seat on a bus despite knowing it was "illegal." and they might die or be beaten for it.

outside the U.S example a Buddhist monk burned himself to death in a peaceful protest against war.

a old sane goes the differences between a foolish and heroic act are results.

my questions for you is do you believe it's moronic to risk death for what you believe in?
So first up, MLK/Malcom X had no where near the savagery as seen with these most recent protests.

Secondly, which this basically shuts down your entire argument, these protests were deemed pointless the moment they refused to condone the violence and most supported [almost all of Antifa are the belief that the violence is the whole point and most BLM as well, it's a "revolution" to them. I still have over 50+ images saved from twitter of BLM supporters leaking the details of cops, their homes and their wives and have images of comments literally calling for their deaths.]

Not only cops but even minors were dox'd and one BLM supporter [with literally thousands in the comments, like 80k retweets] were sharing some high school kids home address, his school and more of his personal details with intent to harm him.

And ALL of them, hundreds of thousands of comments, directly supported it. The mindset of these people is violence spurred on from anger and hatred, there's nothing peaceful about it.

So then, you ask "well that still doesn't tell me why they are pointless" but it does, let me ask you, what is the point of these "protests"? I mean if they still want to go with "peaceful protests" the very point of a protest is to get your message out and why to get your message out? to educate people and gain their support to help with change, yet what have these "protests" done in this instance?

The complete opposite, EVERYONE, not even just in the US, EVERYONE is appalled by the lunacy and depravity of these events. Both people of color are appalled, white people are appalled and even some guy milking his cow in bandoon galeeche is probably appalled. Both blacks have had their shit burned, blacks have been killed all directly caused by "BLACK LIVES MATTER" lmao do you even see the lunacy mate?

So the reason it's pointless is because they've completely run their rep into the fucking ground lol Black lives matter? They couldn't care less! I haven't seen a single fucking BLM/Antifa supporter grieving for David Dorn yet I've been feeling for that man like I lost my own grand father, the fuck is that shit?

So now that people finally realize the only "Black lives" that matter to BLM are the black lives that agree with their agenda, people are even more fucking appalled and even more of a racial divide has been set up. So why did they continue these protests that are constantly causing the adverse effect? Fuck if I know, the majority of these people are uneducated, naive, sheltered fucking morons without a grain of sanity left in their brains lol

So yeah, blacks lives matter and if you agree you'd directly criticise the fucking hypocrites going around causing even more POC to suffer.


i'm moving this conversation to here so as to not derail from the main conversation here

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1845086

i suggest you give this a look before we continue this conversion.


i will also move your quote there and respond to you there.
GrimAtramentJun 8, 2020 2:43 AM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

Jun 8, 2020 2:28 AM

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Is their Racism in Japan????
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Tristar_Shinobi said:
Is their Racism in Japan????
I'd wager there is, black people are quite uncommon there so it's not surprising, funny thing is racism is more prevalent in countries like Japan/Australia yet the majority of these clowns are crying in the US lmao
Jun 8, 2020 2:33 AM

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Cneq said:
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Is their Racism in Japan????
I'd wager there is, black people are quite uncommon there so it's not surprising, funny thing is racism is more prevalent in countries like Japan/Australia yet the majority of these clowns are crying in the US lmao

What is Racism??
See I am kid who don't know about the outside world
Jun 8, 2020 2:40 AM

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what is happening in many countries is simple. Most people are really uninformed and most people do not search deeply into matters.

They just open their Tv after going home and see "blacks are fighting against discrimination and brutality." That accompanied by a cop kneeling on black mans neck and some sentimental music for extra effect and some talking innuendos on how this is what blacks are going threw everyday that at the same time makes you think is about them and doesn't happen to whites and there you have it.

That person then opens a social media app and see the usual people that make 100 tweets a day talking about supporting BLM etc and then he sees a "solidarity" march being organised by some group that gets funded or had God knows what agenda and that person thinks. "Well i don't want blacks to be chased and killed like that. Is horrible what is happening to them. Maybe i should go and show support too".

And there you have it. How a simple naive person gets fooled ending up in the street with a sign thinking it supports something good.

I see it my country with the way they report news as well.
The left corporate media throwing their narrative to channels all around the world etc.

Tristar_Shinobi said:
Cneq said:
I'd wager there is, black people are quite uncommon there so it's not surprising, funny thing is racism is more prevalent in countries like Japan/Australia yet the majority of these clowns are crying in the US lmao

What is Racism??
See I am kid who don't know about the outside world


What is racism?
Hating a person based on race and skin colour and the belief that inferiority and superiority can exists based on race.

Therefore BLM themselves are racists! Because you don't need much to realize they dislike white people because of their race. They even shout it in the streets and their organizing members have let it slipped quite a few times out of their lips or social media posts.
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Jun 8, 2020 3:11 AM

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dissapointed, I went into this thread expecting signs with: "burakku raibusu matta", apparently japanese can write in english, do they know the meaning though considering that their level of english in compared to americans level of french
Jun 8, 2020 3:17 AM

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Catalano said:
apparently japanese can write in english


you know english is taught in japan commonly right?
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

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Catalano said:
dissapointed, I went into this thread expecting signs with: "burakku raibusu matta", apparently japanese can write in english, do they know the meaning though considering that their level of english in compared to americans level of french

Japanese people normally can write and read English but when it comes to speaking,they lack of confident,feel awkward about. Their knowledge on English is still better than weebs knowledge on Japanese language.
It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.
Jun 8, 2020 4:29 AM

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The police are pigs everywhere, who'd have thought.
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Monad said:
what is happening in many countries is simple. Most people are really uniformed and most people do not search deeply into matters.

They just open their Tv after going home and see "blacks are fighting against discrimination and brutality." That accompanied by a cop kneeling on black mans neck and some sentimental music for extra effect and some talking innuendos on how this is what blacks are going threw everyday that at the same time makes you think is about them and doesn't happen to whites and there you have it.

That person then opens a social media app and see the usual people that make 100 tweets a day talking about supporting BLM etc and then he sees a "solidarity" march being organised by some group that gets funded or had God knows what agenda and that person thinks. "Well i don't want blacks to be chased and killed like that. Is horrible what is happening to them. Maybe i should go and show support too".

And there you have it. How a simple naive person gets fooled ending up in the street with a sign thinking it supports something good.

I see it my country with the way the report news as well.
They left corporate media throwing their narrative to channels all around the world etc.


Well said. That is obviously the mindset of the majority of BLM protesters around the world. Here in the US I think it is is also partially motivated a shallow desire to simulate the cool and trendy 1960s era which have been glamorized and mythologized in our popular culture.
Jun 8, 2020 6:11 AM

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Nice, it's a fight every race has to join. Don't see a reason to view this negatively like other users. So much bitterness.
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Viltas said:
Nice, it's a fight every race has to join. Don't see a reason to view this negatively like other users. So much bitterness.


A fight for what? So much destruction for what?
Jun 8, 2020 6:26 AM

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Kaasfondue said:
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I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said, whether or not you were serious (new here and unfamiliar with your style). Japan is unique, and sadly gets more Westernized every day practically.

The day a WSJ manga will be adapted, partly funded by a Western company, and one of the major characters will be altereted for sake of diversity, is when literal blood will spill. I can't wait.
Kaasfondue said:
ymasumac said:


I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said, whether or not you were serious (new here and unfamiliar with your style). Japan is unique, and sadly gets more Westernized every day practically.

The day a WSJ manga will be adapted, partly funded by a Western company, and one of the major characters will be altereted for sake of diversity, is when literal blood will spill. I can't wait.


Lmao L I T E R A L B L O O D

The irony is that Japan changes established characters all the time, all those heroes are not hot woman who want to fuck the audience self insert.
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Don’t get why everyone is losing their shit, as long as it doesn’t turn violent how is protesting against racism bad? Sure the protests in Japan are probably not going to be that effective but how is wanting less racism a bad thing?
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Monochrosanity said:
Don’t get why everyone is losing their shit, as long as it doesn’t turn violent how is protesting against racism bad? Sure the protests in Japan are probably not going to be that effective but how is wanting less racism a bad thing?


People are "losing their shit" because the Japanese protesters have been tricked into believing the lie central to the BLM movement and fueling the riots which are destroying this country. There is zero evidence to support the systemic racism narrative. It is a lie.
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epidemia78 said:
Monochrosanity said:
Don’t get why everyone is losing their shit, as long as it doesn’t turn violent how is protesting against racism bad? Sure the protests in Japan are probably not going to be that effective but how is wanting less racism a bad thing?


People are "losing their shit" because the Japanese protesters have been tricked into believing the lie central to the BLM movement and fueling the riots which are destroying this country. There is zero evidence to support the systemic racism narrative. It is a lie.
I’d argue that the evidence points towards systemic racism being a thing but believe what you want to. I definitely don’t condone the rioting but it’s a vast minority of the protests happening.
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Monochrosanity said:
epidemia78 said:


People are "losing their shit" because the Japanese protesters have been tricked into believing the lie central to the BLM movement and fueling the riots which are destroying this country. There is zero evidence to support the systemic racism narrative. It is a lie.
I’d argue that the evidence points towards systemic racism being a thing but believe what you want to. I definitely don’t condone the rioting but it’s a vast minority of the protests happening.


An even vaster minority is the police/civilian interactions that result in unarmed black people being killed. But believe what you want, I guess.
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Bernrika said:
Kaasfondue said:

The day a WSJ manga will be adapted, partly funded by a Western company, and one of the major characters will be altereted for sake of diversity, is when literal blood will spill. I can't wait.
Kaasfondue said:

The day a WSJ manga will be adapted, partly funded by a Western company, and one of the major characters will be altereted for sake of diversity, is when literal blood will spill. I can't wait.


Lmao L I T E R A L B L O O D

That was a bit too overdramatic indeed lol. Tbh never know though people are crazy.

The irony is that Japan changes established characters all the time,

Changing established characters isn't inherently bad, it's contextual, sometimes it communicates the creators have conformed to cultists and surpressed their own artistic vision because they fear cancel culture or they changed their mind and believe it's the right thing to do. I'm not aware of the Japanese changing characters for the same reason and in the same way people in the West do.

all those heroes are not hot woman who want to fuck the audience self insert.

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.

epidemia78 said:
Monochrosanity said:
I’d argue that the evidence points towards systemic racism being a thing but believe what you want to. I definitely don’t condone the rioting but it’s a vast minority of the protests happening.


An even vaster minority is the police/civilian interactions that result in unarmed black people being killed. But believe what you want, I guess.

Well, the movement is not just about cops killing blacks but racial inequality in general. I don't how you can say racism isn't one of the factors when it's about blacks in the US.
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https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1269939609347203073?s=19

This sums it up perfectly. It is just a "i hate white people" movement honestly. Most things are nowadays.
Wahhh me oppressed! Give me reparations!
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Kaasfondue said:

Well, the movement is not just about cops killing blacks but racial inequality in general. I don't how you can say racism isn't one of the factors when it's about blacks in the US.


Police violence is the primary focus but yeah, any and all problems a black person in America faces will be inevitably blamed on racism. Even if they're hiking a nature trail, black people face racist obstacles apparently. (There's too much Harry Potter, not enough books written by black feminists in the repositories along the way OH the HORROR)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/exit-interview-i-was-a-black-female-thru-hiker-on-the-appalachian-trail

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Monad said:
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Nice, it's a fight every race has to join. Don't see a reason to view this negatively like other users. So much bitterness.


A fight for what? So much destruction for what?


Obviously I am talking about equality, not about the looting and violence that is taking place. The movement has been sullied but that doesn't change its true meaning. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave looking at these events. Then again, there is a very toxic mindset in other races of "doesn't affect me, so I don't care"
Jun 8, 2020 7:45 AM
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I like to imagine that my ex Japanese girlfriend is out there telling people, "I'm not racist my ex boyfriend is black!"
Her friends apparently used to say to her, "Why did you choose the ugly black guy?" But she stayed with me anyway and wanted me to impregnate her.

You racists better watch your mothers, wives, sisters and daughters. They're not listening to you anymore. They are deciding to look for themselves and they are seeing that black people are not so bad and deserve to be treated as people just like everybody else.
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Because they commit the most murder/robberiee? Check fbi stats.
Black people get more privilege then us "white privilege folk"

In California universities they make asian/white people get higher scores and minorities can get lower to get in. So oppressed.

12% of the population sure likes the play the victim card a lot. Funny they think when whites become a minority in like 25 years, they think they'll be the majority. Maybe they should stop killing themselves(highest murder rate) first.
Oh, perfect time to copy and paste what I said to Rune a while ago:
past said:
That stereotype, in particular, is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because due to that stereotype more police are at black neighborhoods which increases the likelihood of them getting caught over whites who may do it at the same rates, which leads to more black fathers to jail, which leads to single-income households, and which vastly increases the chances of a said child committing a crime due to the poor neighborhood in which they were raised.

Blacks have been extremely disproportionally targeted by the police(Proof
):
"engage in more misconduct (unjustified stops, corruption, verbal abuse, excessive
force) in disadvantaged, nonwhite neighborhoods (Epp et al., 2014; Kane, 2002;
Mastrofski, Reisig & McCluskey, 2002; Terrill & Reisig, 2003). This includes ‘stop
and frisk’ practices in poor ethnic-minority communities, as research in New York
neighborhoods demonstrated (Fagan et al., 2010).

These studies demonstrate that policing is typically more aggressive in neighborhoods
that are both economically disadvantaged and populated by a subordinate ethnic minority."-pg 6-7

"Regarding the argument that such stops are due solely to local crime rates, the study found that the stops increased 500% over the past decade while the city’s crime rate declined; that the efficiency of the stops (the arrest rate) decreased by 50%; and that this decline was disproportionately concentrated in black neighborhoods. "-pg 5

"A recent study reported that the race of the driver is not a factor in routine, ordinary traffic stops (e.g., for speeding or other driving infractions), but drivers’ race is a predictor of ‘investigatory stops,’which are based on more minor violations and conducted in the hope of making an arrest or for the purpose of harassment. Such stops are a pretext intended to uncover other offenses (such as the possession of illegal drugs or weapons) rather than simply a driving violation. Such investigatory stops are largely targeted at young black males (Epp, Maynard-Moody & Haider-Markel, 2014)"-pg 2-3

Oh, and btw keep in mind this mounting evidence is the tip of the iceberg, as the whole article is pretty much just stating how unfairly the police treats black and ethnic groups compared to whites. It's crazy really, how a stereotype can manifest itself into a self-fulfilling prophecy like this. You are now more on the lookout for exclusively black people committing crimes because you expect them to do so out of this stereotype, and this causes more arrests on black people. That's kind of funny in a twisted sort of way.


As for the other part about affirmative action. You do know that black people are more likely to be raised in poverty and all that, I'm assuming. This means that black people on average don't have as many resources to better education and might have to work, on top of schoolwork they already had to do(as they would probably need that money). I think affirmative action is pretty justified for those reasons. America is actually pretty lacking when it comes to economic mobility or people getting out of poverty.


You seem like a reasonable person. I proposed a simple question to another American in other thread but he ran away before answering my question. I hope you could answer it because I'm genuinely curious.

First, I assume you know the nature of social studies. For every research that supports your argument, I could probably find research that is in conflict with your argument. It's not definitive.
Second, based on the research you cited alone, I could see that there are too many factors involved besides race.
Third, Americans themselves are quite divided on this topic.

Therefore, my question is: why are you so focused on the disproportion when you can address all victims of police brutality equally?
It seems to me that the real cause has become muddy and in the quest of minimizing the segregation, you end up creating more segregation. Such irony...

Btw to the onlookers, the second half of this thread is like a mini civil war lol.
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Kaasfondue said:

sometimes it communicates the creators have conformed to cultists and surpressed their own artistic vision because they fear cancel culture

Stop assuming creator intent.

Also you don't care about character change, if you do you would be mad at Japan for constantly changing characters into women in order to pander.

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Monad said:


A fight for what? So much destruction for what?


Obviously I am talking about equality, not about the looting and violence that is taking place. The movement has been sullied but that doesn't change its true meaning. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave looking at these events. Then again, there is a very toxic mindset in other races of "doesn't affect me, so I don't care"


But this so stupid. What equality are they going on about?
What evidence are their that the incident they are so mad about had anything to do with equality racism or whatever?
And what evidence are there that their is systematic racism from the police?
Is it racism every-time the police becomes too aggressive against a black man and every time they do the same to a white person just police violence?

If they focused on unnecessary police violence and terrorizing i would have kind of get it But they are going around yelling about black lives matter and equality.

If you see the statistics in the US the police still kills more white people(the doesn't affect me is bollocks basically) and black people crime rates are off the roof. Also black people kill a lot more white people than white people kill black people AND they are the major killers of their own people too.

In Africa now crimes and even established racist laws against whites are going rampant while every white western nation with blacks tries to treat them as nice as possible and even have programs that give them university positions and jobs based on race alone.

Why are so many people up in arms all over the world about black folk supposedly suffering when they get treated with all care in white western nations and they butcher white people in their countries?

What extra legal rights is the government in the US giving to whites that they don't have?
There is none.
And why are people in other nations protesting about black people in the US or in general, especially when some of them hardly have black people?
Wtf are they doing?

Is just outrage for the sake of outrage with no established substance or clear evidence.
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Monad said:
Viltas said:


Obviously I am talking about equality, not about the looting and violence that is taking place. The movement has been sullied but that doesn't change its true meaning. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave looking at these events. Then again, there is a very toxic mindset in other races of "doesn't affect me, so I don't care"


But this so stupid. What equality are they going on about?
What evidence are their that the incident they are so mad about had anything to do with equality racism or whatever?
And what evidence are there that their is systematic racism from the police?
Is it racism every-time the police becomes too aggressive against a black man and every time they do the same to a white person just police violence?

If they focused on unnecessary police violence and terrorizing i would have kind of get it But they are going around yelling about black lives matter and equality.

If you see the statistics in the US the police still kills more white people and black people crime rates are off the roof. Also black people kill a lot more white people than white people kill black people AND they are the major killers of their own people too.

In Africa now crimes and even established racist laws against whites are going rampant while every white western nation with blacks tries to treat them as nice as possible and even have programs that give them university positions and jobs based on race alone.

Why are so many people up in arms all over the world about black folk supposedly suffering when they get treated with all care in white western nations and they butcher white people in their countries?

What extra legal rights is the government in the US giving to whites that they don't have?
There is none.
And why are people in other nations protesting about black people in the US or in general, especially when some of them hardly have black people?
Wtf are they doing?

Is just outrage for the sake of outrage with no established substance or clear evidence.


Apologies for the blunt reply, but are you black?
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Monad said:


But this so stupid. What equality are they going on about?
What evidence are their that the incident they are so mad about had anything to do with equality racism or whatever?
And what evidence are there that their is systematic racism from the police?
Is it racism every-time the police becomes too aggressive against a black man and every time they do the same to a white person just police violence?

If they focused on unnecessary police violence and terrorizing i would have kind of get it But they are going around yelling about black lives matter and equality.

If you see the statistics in the US the police still kills more white people and black people crime rates are off the roof. Also black people kill a lot more white people than white people kill black people AND they are the major killers of their own people too.

In Africa now crimes and even established racist laws against whites are going rampant while every white western nation with blacks tries to treat them as nice as possible and even have programs that give them university positions and jobs based on race alone.

Why are so many people up in arms all over the world about black folk supposedly suffering when they get treated with all care in white western nations and they butcher white people in their countries?

What extra legal rights is the government in the US giving to whites that they don't have?
There is none.
And why are people in other nations protesting about black people in the US or in general, especially when some of them hardly have black people?
Wtf are they doing?

Is just outrage for the sake of outrage with no established substance or clear evidence.


Apologies for the blunt reply, but are you black?


Apologies but are you going for the usual leftist college professor mantra of you have no right to talk unless you are this or that?
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@Monad You have a right and I urge you to use that right. Racism is still a serious issue, even if you don't hear about it. This case is simply accessible enough for many people, the public video proof was what really heated things up to this extent. America is on the constant lookout for something that sparks a rebellion, lets not lie to ourselves. Police brutality is an issue not just for black people.

What you seem to be doing though is generalizing violence. Don't do that. There is no global scale of just. Its messed up for white policeman to murder black people. Its messed up for black people to murder white people. Its messed up for anyone to murder anyone. This isnt a competition for who is worse. Its a fight against what is wrong. There simply is a lot to fight against, it is not just about blacks, but its one of many fights and in my opinion, one of the more urging ones.

Are you under the illusion that an entire race is victimizing themselves baselessly? They live their everyday lifes being discriminated personally and it still happens very much and very frequently. Listen to the racism people experience everyday, talk with the people next to you. Open your mind towards what is really happening on a smaller scale. Maybe then you will see why the underlying anger is so large.

But again, I agree with you. The riots are awful and self destructive. They are not for a good cause. They're just violence, stored up anger, you name it.
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epidemia78 said:
Kaasfondue said:

Well, the movement is not just about cops killing blacks but racial inequality in general. I don't how you can say racism isn't one of the factors when it's about blacks in the US.


Police violence is the primary focus but yeah, any and all problems a black person in America faces will be inevitably blamed on racism. Even if they're hiking a nature trail, black people face racist obstacles apparently. (There's too much Harry Potter, not enough books written by black feminists in the repositories along the way OH the HORROR)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/exit-interview-i-was-a-black-female-thru-hiker-on-the-appalachian-trail


The difference in wealth compared to whites has its roots in racism, but I don't know about racist practices againt blacks nowadays. White cops murdering blacks is seen as white supremacy to some people but obviously it's wrong to assume racism was always the motivation and the reason it happened. It's just a topic that easily gains massive attention.

There are enough whites complaining about lame things in regards to POC existing too. I can't tell whether some y'all just don't care about racial inequality or just hate the anti-white stuff surrounding it.

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Kaasfondue said:

sometimes it communicates the creators have conformed to cultists and surpressed their own artistic vision because they fear cancel culture

Stop assuming creator intent.

Also you don't care about character change, if you do you would be mad at Japan for constantly changing characters into women in order to pander.


Sometimes I don't, like I said before. I still don't know what you're talking about, I'm not aware of characters their gender being changed in anime. In Japan they probably do it to pander to horny men which is like the complete opposite of the West. I'm not sure I've ever watched an anime where that happened and didn't even know about this, I don't really care tbh. When a popular WSJ battle shounen will turn one if its major characters a POC/LGBT is when the world will see the real culture war. I'm readyyyyyyyy.
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Come on Japan let's get start churning out interracial anime and hentai shows so we can flush the racists out of the anime community!


well hentai doesn't discriminate in that regard... but then again the way they depict black people in hentai can be pretty racist
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FlowersInTheRain said:
Come on Japan let's get start churning out interracial anime and hentai shows so we can flush the racists out of the anime community!


well hentai doesn't discriminate in that regard... but then again the way they depict black people in hentai can be pretty racist

We need more hentai and Ecchi based on the #BLM movement. And Seinen or even slice of life anime. We need more dark skinned fan service!

Not to force diversity but to force out the racists who hate diversity.
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https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1269939609347203073?s=19

This sums it up perfectly. It is just a "i hate white people" movement honestly. Most things are nowadays.
Wahhh me oppressed! Give me reparations!


I support trillion dollar reparations for blacks, if white Americans get self determination in the US.
That won't help at all. Even millionaire blacks are crying crocodile tears about how hard they have it. Boo hoo, I'm Malcolm Jenkins and I make $8 million/year throwing a fucking ball on a field.
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It is nice to see that one of the least diverse places on earth (mono-cultural) is also protesting in support for Black Lives Matter.

To support my claim:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level]
As it says on that page, Japan has a cultural diversity index of 0.012, the third lowest on above South Korea and North Korea.
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Suddenly you fuckers think you know what's best for Japan.
I mean you can always go over there and do the honors. Or what, is it all bark and no bite?

Mhmm and then whine and cry because your precious animu isn't going to be made. Please grow up.

Lmfao please keep your delusions to yourself.


No, I'm not gonna keep it to myself. My fucking country is being destroyed by the woke ideology. I'm fucking angry and I have a right to be. Lawlessness and hatred towards white men is being promoted based upon a total myth. There is no fucking widespread racism against black people. Black people can get into Harvard with like a 22 on the ACT exam. Everyone bends over backwards to give them every advantage possible.

So to see people acting as if all this violence against us is justified? Its disgusting. The left wing media ought to be ashamed of themselves but of course they aren't, because they have no morals or integrity left. Its all about their agenda to stir up hatred so they can pit the rest of the country against white males.


People like you denying racism is what's wrong in this country.

There's also a fact that this country's whole system designed to oppress minority groups. With no systematic changes, people will riot.
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@Monad You have a right and I urge you to use that right. Racism is still a serious issue, even if you don't hear about it. This case is simply accessible enough for many people, the public video proof was what really heated things up to this extent. America is on the constant lookout for something that sparks a rebellion, lets not lie to ourselves. Police brutality is an issue not just for black people.

What you seem to be doing though is generalizing violence. Don't do that. There is no global scale of just. Its messed up for white policeman to murder black people. Its messed up for black people to murder white people. Its messed up for anyone to murder anyone. This isnt a competition for who is worse. Its a fight against what is wrong. There simply is a lot to fight against, it is not just about blacks, but its one of many fights and in my opinion, one of the more urging ones.

Are you under the illusion that an entire race is victimizing themselves baselessly? They live their everyday lifes being discriminated personally and it still happens very much and very frequently. Listen to the racism people experience everyday, talk with the people next to you. Open your mind towards what is really happening on a smaller scale. Maybe then you will see why the underlying anger is so large.

But again, I agree with you. The riots are awful and self destructive. They are not for a good cause. They're just violence, stored up anger, you name it.


I think that lots of the anger is being pushed on them threw media rhetoric and leftist propaganda.
And yes i do think that racism against blacks in western countries is minimal and insignificant. We had many incidents were black people even invented racists messages and attacks for social media attention.
In a society that treats you with pure racists hostility you hardly need to invent racism and wouldn't get you sympathy and love and attention in social media ether.

Second lets not confuse individual racism with institutional racism. You can never kill individual racism. In any even half free society their will people with their own personal prejudices no matter the race.
Is pointless protesting that though. Unless you brainwash all people to think the same it will always exists.

But movement like BLM are shouting over some supposed institutional racism when there is not a single proof that our society has institutional racism against blacks. If anything institutions give them special privileges.

And sorry, you may say that black shouldn't be killing whites etc but we all know that what everyone is out on the streets now is not about violence problems in general. Is supposed institutional racism against black people.

No big protests were made for Tony Timpa or the white kid shot in his home because he was holding a Wii controller when opening the door, or this guy:



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@vuxk

I hope you could answer it because I'm genuinely curious.
Yeah, I could try.

First, I assume you know the nature of social studies. For every research that supports your argument, I could probably find research that is in conflict with your argument. It's not definitive.
That's why I picked a meta-analysis of studies specifically. It would look at several studies that may contradict each other and come to a conclusion after looking them all over("This essay presents findings from several studies, conducted by the authors and their colleagues, of police relations with racial
and ethnic populations in different contexts within the United States"-Introduction
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Second, based on the research you cited alone, I could see that there are too many factors involved besides race.
Can you elaborate more on that point?

Third, Americans themselves are quite divided on this topic.
Okay? I don't see why that matters. I am aware I am talking about a controversial topic, if that's why you brought that up.

Therefore, my question is: why are you so focused on the disproportion when you can address all victims of police brutality equally?
Because I want to highlight racism as a problem with the police force specifically and why so many black people seem to make up such a large number of crime rates. Also, since they are facing police brutality at a disproportion amount and the solution to stop that specific group from police brutality is different. Whites typically aren't as racially motivated target as much when it happens, so if I were to address that group, I would look at it from a different angle. Some solutions require you to look at the problem from parts instead of a whole.

It seems to me that the real cause has become muddy and in the quest of minimizing the segregation, you end up creating more segregation. Such irony...
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Sometimes I don't, like I said before. I still don't know what you're talking about, I'm not aware of characters their gender being changed in anime.

You literally have Fate/Zero in your MAL. Liar.


In Japan they probably do it to pander to horny men which is like the complete opposite of the West. I'm not sure I've ever watched an anime where that happened and didn't even know about this, I don't really care tbh. When a popular WSJ battle shounen will turn one if its major characters a POC/LGBT is when the world will see the real culture war. I'm readyyyyyyyy.


Oh, I guess it's fine to change Hitler into a little girl or King Arthur into a girl because it panders to your dick. I guess pandering is only fine when it's done to straight dudes. Interesting how it works, uh?

I think there is a word for that by the way. Hypocrite.
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Monad said:


But this so stupid. What equality are they going on about?
What evidence are their that the incident they are so mad about had anything to do with equality racism or whatever?
And what evidence are there that their is systematic racism from the police?
Is it racism every-time the police becomes too aggressive against a black man and every time they do the same to a white person just police violence?

If they focused on unnecessary police violence and terrorizing i would have kind of get it But they are going around yelling about black lives matter and equality.

If you see the statistics in the US the police still kills more white people and black people crime rates are off the roof. Also black people kill a lot more white people than white people kill black people AND they are the major killers of their own people too.

In Africa now crimes and even established racist laws against whites are going rampant while every white western nation with blacks tries to treat them as nice as possible and even have programs that give them university positions and jobs based on race alone.

Why are so many people up in arms all over the world about black folk supposedly suffering when they get treated with all care in white western nations and they butcher white people in their countries?

What extra legal rights is the government in the US giving to whites that they don't have?
There is none.
And why are people in other nations protesting about black people in the US or in general, especially when some of them hardly have black people?
Wtf are they doing?

Is just outrage for the sake of outrage with no established substance or clear evidence.


Apologies for the blunt reply, but are you black?

He's your typical dude who gets their info by /pol/ and thinks he knows better than actual minorities because he read stuff.
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My respect, Japan. Did not think I would see something like that, tbh.


#BLM
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It is nice to see that one of the least diverse places on earth (mono-cultural) is also protesting in support for Black Lives Matter.

To support my claim:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level]
As it says on that page, Japan has a cultural diversity index of 0.012, the third lowest on above South Korea and North Korea.
yup. And keep it that way so it doesn't turn into a shithole like us/uk etc.

LordSozin said:
Ryuk9428 said:


No, I'm not gonna keep it to myself. My fucking country is being destroyed by the woke ideology. I'm fucking angry and I have a right to be. Lawlessness and hatred towards white men is being promoted based upon a total myth. There is no fucking widespread racism against black people. Black people can get into Harvard with like a 22 on the ACT exam. Everyone bends over backwards to give them every advantage possible.

So to see people acting as if all this violence against us is justified? Its disgusting. The left wing media ought to be ashamed of themselves but of course they aren't, because they have no morals or integrity left. Its all about their agenda to stir up hatred so they can pit the rest of the country against white males.


People like you denying racism is what's wrong in this country.

There's also a fact that this country's whole system designed to oppress minority groups. With no systematic changes, people will riot.


I honestly cannot tell if this is serious or a troll post.

FlowersInTheRain said:
Come on Japan let's get start churning out interracial anime and hentai shows so we can flush the racists out of the anime community!

LOL. Gross no. You hate white people, does that count as racist? Or does being black give you immunity status cause "muh oppressed!"
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
Kami_sama_ said:
It is nice to see that one of the least diverse places on earth (mono-cultural) is also protesting in support for Black Lives Matter.

To support my claim:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level]
As it says on that page, Japan has a cultural diversity index of 0.012, the third lowest on above South Korea and North Korea.
yup. And keep it that way so it doesn't turn into a shithole like us/uk etc.


When was the USA ever not multicultural lmao? The country was literally founded on immigration and colonization.
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Bernrika said:
Kaasfondue said:



Sometimes I don't, like I said before. I still don't know what you're talking about, I'm not aware of characters their gender being changed in anime.

You literally have Fate/Zero in your MAL. Liar.


In Japan they probably do it to pander to horny men which is like the complete opposite of the West. I'm not sure I've ever watched an anime where that happened and didn't even know about this, I don't really care tbh. When a popular WSJ battle shounen will turn one if its major characters a POC/LGBT is when the world will see the real culture war. I'm readyyyyyyyy.


Oh, I guess it's fine to change Hitler into a little girl or King Arthur into a girl because it panders to your dick. I guess pandering is only fine when it's done to straight dudes. Interesting how it works, uh?

I think there is a word for that by the way. Hypocrite.

Damn you made me LOL. I'm talking about adaptations changing characters of the source material. Fate is its own IP and has its own original universe it can depict historical figures however they want. I'm sure they have female historical figures turned into hot males as well.

Netflix The Witcher changing the skin colour of characters for sake of diversity is a problem because it's not respecting the source material. I don't care if someone makes a story about Feudal Japan and have everyone be black. Go for it.
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why are people so shocked and upset over the fact that japanese people can be against racism...?
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Kaasfondue said:
Bernrika said:

You literally have Fate/Zero in your MAL. Liar.




Oh, I guess it's fine to change Hitler into a little girl or King Arthur into a girl because it panders to your dick. I guess pandering is only fine when it's done to straight dudes. Interesting how it works, uh?

I think there is a word for that by the way. Hypocrite.

Damn you made me LOL. I'm talking about adaptations changing characters of the source material. Fate is its own IP and has its own original universe it can depict historical figures however they want.


Pretty sure Fate didn't invent Okita, King Arthur and Francis Drake. They took other medias, stories and real people and changed them for the sake of pandering.

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Bernrika said:
Kayle_x_Morgana said:
yup. And keep it that way so it doesn't turn into a shithole like us/uk etc.


When was the USA ever not multicultural lmao? The country was literally founded on immigration and colonization.
Whites were 87% in 1900 and I can imagine even higher before that. I don't count "5-10%" as multiculturalism like you love to brag so much about.
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Seijatachiiii said:
why are people so shocked and upset over the fact that japanese people can be against racism...?

Right wing tend to project on Japan a lot due to the language barrier and they are too low IQ to notice the anti-racism messages in anime/manga.
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
Bernrika said:

Whites was the USA ever not multicultural lmao? The country was literally founded on immigration and colonization.
they were 87% in 1900 and I can imagine even higher before that.

On a country they immigrated and invaded and took from the natives.
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Bernrika said:
Kaasfondue said:

Damn you made me LOL. I'm talking about adaptations changing characters of the source material. Fate is its own IP and has its own original universe it can depict historical figures however they want.


Pretty sure Fate didn't invent Okita, King Arthur and Francis Drake. They took other medias, stories and real people and changed them for the sake of pandering.


Cool but I never said I have problem with that. I was specifically talking about adaptations changing one specific source material. Something that can and should easily be as close to a one-to-one translation as possible, in my opinion. King Arthur is in thousands of stories and might not even be real who cares and Hitler deserves to be abused by lolicons.
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Suddenly you fuckers think you know what's best for Japan.
I mean you can always go over there and do the honors. Or what, is it all bark and no bite?

Mhmm and then whine and cry because your precious animu isn't going to be made. Please grow up.

Lmfao please keep your delusions to yourself.


No, I'm not gonna keep it to myself. My fucking country is being destroyed by the woke ideology. I'm fucking angry and I have a right to be. Lawlessness and hatred towards white men is being promoted based upon a total myth. There is no fucking widespread racism against black people. Black people can get into Harvard with like a 22 on the ACT exam. Everyone bends over backwards to give them every advantage possible.

So to see people acting as if all this violence against us is justified? Its disgusting. The left wing media ought to be ashamed of themselves but of course they aren't, because they have no morals or integrity left. Its all about their agenda to stir up hatred so they can pit the rest of the country against white males.

I think it's pretty ignorant of you to call the black lives matter movement a woke ideology.. there are a lot of things i disagree with on the left side but this is a matter of basic human well being. There is a widespread racism against black people rooted deep in our history, most people are racist without thinking of themselves as a racist. Also I think the people who are looting and destroying things are at protests for all the wrong reasons. Consider those who loot as people just there for action, if they really understood what the movement is all about they'd know that looting will only give protesters a bad rep, and that likely their crimes will be blamed on a black person. Hatred towards white men? people are most angry at the police right now, and I think the only white men receiving hate besides cops, are those who refuse to listen and empathize with the black lives matter movement. That doesn't mean you have to agree with everything every supporter says, there are contradictions even within the movement, but keeping an open mind and putting yourself in someone else's shoes is never a bad thing. You have to remember there are plenty of white man standing along side our black brothers and sisters, are they receiving hate? The reason people are "Bending over backwards" to give black people advantages in education is to prevent people from limiting people of color because of racial biases, not to mention there is a cycle of poverty in black communities from lack of education which people are trying to prevent by giving spots to black people and making sure to support them through their education experience. Personally I don't believe all this violence is completely justified either, but I understand why it's happening. You might write this off as someone who's just spiteful and angry, but please consider what I've said. If anything, from now on please keep an open mind.
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Bernrika said:
Seijatachiiii said:
why are people so shocked and upset over the fact that japanese people can be against racism...?

Right wing tend to project on Japan a lot due to the language barrier and they are too low IQ to notice the anti-racism messages in anime/manga.

Lol anti racism message? That is funny. I'd love to see that and how you spun what they actually meant.
Bernrika said:
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they were 87% in 1900 and I can imagine even higher before that.

On a country they immigrated and invaded and took from the natives.

Oh here we go again. Bringing more shit up from a million years ago. So what? White people are the multicultural and the 1% natives are the actual citizens?
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