Anime Industry is Over Saturated with trash now days

Manaban said:

You pointing out that you're a judgemental prick doesn't really change anything that he's saying, though, so I don't see how this is relevant.

Zeroflamez said:

Yeah but that was then, this is now. Japan's economy is doing very well and so is Anime. It wouldn't hurt much to experiment a bit with different audiences. Just because something didn't sell when it was publishing doesn't mean it can't be reintroduced and have success with fans today.

Zeroflamez said:

I never said it's a feasible risk to produce a show without funding. But there are ways to test the waters before committing to more. In American television there are TV pilots. In Japanese Animation there used to be OVA's. These committees are just playing it safe and raking in their money.

Water-sama said:


You might not be familiar with the Term "Normie" so im going to enlighten you.

People who state the obvious/People who Popularize Mediocrity/People who do/say things just because others do/say those things

No Im not a judgmental prick. Im just letting you know that Trash does exist and people also partake in Normie Behavior.

chair-sama said:
If it is created this means there's a demand for it.

TolkienFan365 said:


Source? Japan's economy is not doing better I don't know where you are getting that. They are in a big export slump right now it's not like it's super bad but it isn't in great shape either. A lot of new growth for the anime industry is coming from international markets not Japan (aka those who are going to the buy OVAs) so there is no indicator that investing into OVA's would be a good move which is why again most OVA's today are tie ins to promote the manga.

The anime industry is making vastly more in profits compared to say 10-15 years ago but if anything that is encouraging what they are doing is right in their minds. (it is kinda short sighted considering how many of these studios are run)

For many studios that are fighting to survive investing significant money into an a more niche original is a huge risk it's not just an experiment. Especially when they are basically testing what is marketable through manga.

Again I am going to ask you want genres do you think are untapped right now? Plus what is your reasoning that said kinds of shows would actually succeed.

zagzee said:
Can you elaborate? You didn't say much.

Zeroflamez said:

It is doing much better than past years. Japan's Economy growth is top 3 right now. You should research a bit before trying to claim something you're unsure about. I understand that creating an Anime costs a lot of money and it is a risk to produce something that won't sell well, but it doesn't mean they didn't sell at all and it sure doesn't mean that they couldn't sell with the present audience. Even then, look how many manga's got made into Anime and never got a complete adaption. A ton of them did flop but the industry is still here. In terms of Anime originals, of course as with anything original there is always a risk. The problem is no one wants to take that risk anymore. It's why Hollywood keep churning out remakes and uninspired garbage because it's safe. Nothing truly great has ever been created without taking risks.

What genres do I think are untapped? I personally believe Martial Arts/fighting/MMA manga could sell well globally. Baki just got another Anime after like 20 years(with another season being green lit). Kengan Ashura is currently being adapted. Hajime no Ippo had a pretty good run with its Anime. The success of Megalo box( as well as a second season being green lit)also proves there is a market there for more of these series to be adapted. I believe these Anime could do quite well in Asia and America which having pretty big combat sport scenes.

Zeroflamez said:

Production companies have produced Anime that flopped in the past. A ton of it. The industry is still around and doing better than then. So why couldn't they take a few risks here and there?

-Lofn- said:
Ah yes, the classic "modern anime is trash, bring back the olden days"; you have no idea how it's actually better than it was back then, granted, there are objective things that you can say how it became worse, as anime is of course, a medium tied to animation, it has become an ersatz plastic when it comes to animation, though we are blessed once in a while, but by no means anything and everything went wrong. So many shitty anime back in the days too, you just haven't seen enough, the days of OVA VHS were a mixed bag of greats and shittiness, compared to the 80s and 90s, the 2010s is relatively tame, it has no weird sex demon monsters (that has the classic Dragonball art style) or a surgeon punching literal cancer, and many subpar sports, kids anime, lukewarm delinquent series, butchered/selective adaptations like X and Tsukihime . You act like the repetition of genres is something new, the amount of sports, kids (not like Beyblade or anything), shoujo, and delinquent anime back then were in every season, and to this day, mecha exists. Then 2000s came with the rise of harem/ecchi, visual novel, mahou shoujos, toy-based series, shitty ass love triangle shows, and CGDCT were still pretty much apparent back then.

Understandably, studios like Artland, Nippon animation, and the dying breath of Madhouse is definitely concerning, but to say modern anime isn't anything better than pre-Bebop, pre-NGE, pre-GiTS, pre-CCS but also to say it is now worse than post-NGE till pre-SAO holds certain waters, I don't really believe that, there are still worthwhile shows and equally worthless shows in every era.

TolkienFan365 said:


Okay then source it. From what I looked up Japan's Real GDP growth isn't that high (not what you are claiming) plus most of the growth is expected to cool. They just beat their predictions from last year. What statistic or source are you using for your assumption that the economy is just on an upward trend and will continue to climb? I haven't looked at as a whole but articles I had seen were showing declining manufacturing and exports. So I am all for being wrong but I don't see where you are getting this.

Edit: Are you sure you didn't mix up that Japan's economy is number three behind USA and China? Not that it had been number three in growth? I am pretty sure that is where you are getting that as I haven't found anything else in my quick search.

Also that's just one genre and to be fair it really isn't that different from what is currently out. It's just a combination of action and sports as genres with many of the same themes we see often. Hajime no Ippo Rising I heard did poorly so IDK where again you are getting that. It's not like there haven't been MMA or martial arts manga or series around that we had that sumo anime this year right? They haven't big big sellers though. I mean one series I liked Saotome Senshu which was a female boxing series I believe is ending soon. There are quite a few manga out there like that but many fail to hit the big time in sales.

Edit: Made a few quick edits after reading a bit more

zagzee said:
Risk split isn't equal since companies in a production committee don't finance the same amount. If you're not a top studio already you're nowhere close to being at the top of the committee. Since your average studio doesn't make a lot of money they can't afford to take risks. The industry performing well does not mean the creators suddenly are.

Zeroflamez said:

I've seen about half as many Anime as you have, and a lot of what I've seen are from the 80s and 90s and 2000's. I've also seen plenty of those shitty OVA's you're talking about. So I think I have a pretty solid grasp on what things were like then. I grew up with a lot of the 90s and early 2000's stuff. I never said the repetition was new. It's just a lot more noticeable with more Anime being produced every season. Mecha hardly even exists as a genre anymore. Only 3 releases with mecha all year, and one of them was just an OVA that was broken down into a TV series. I can't even really call the other 2 traditional mecha series at all.

-Lofn- said:
And then? Like you said, there are more quantified than it was, that's like comparing a premium box with assorted donuts to a munchkins promo deal, is of course, if premium would be a statement for quality, which is in questionable regards. Has it been shittier? Who goddamn knows, back then anime has poor production values, which is what should a central focus of production should be. Many had problems with production; from stiff animation to egregious sound quality to unmatched voice syncing. Anime has always been shown to cater to what is trending, and that is not exclusive to anime, they are simply adapting source materials, it isn't just anime and that isn't inherently wrong in of itself. It's simply the quantity that became overbearing, and that is reasonably because of the "growth" of the industry, it'll change in due time and this topic will hackneyed be revive to an interpolated thread.

kataneer said:
A person with KnY character on his profile pic created a thread about "anime is shit nowadays"?
I’ve never laughed so hard in my life

XquisiteWig said:
There's also some good anime every season like Babylon, Beastars and Hoshiai no Sora. Try watching them maybe?

Catalano said:
Where did you get the impression that we get full "classic" ecchi anime? We have like 3 per year. The producers are surely making money out of that "trash" so it will keep going. Someone is watching it and not complaining.

SaintMerakle said:
Looking at your list suggests otherwise you seem to watch about 10 to 20 anime per year and rarely exceed that. I guess what you are trying to say is that with the sheer amount of anime being produced how come you are not watching more, well it is because you have over watched certain genre - combos of said genre and the industry is try to expand more on the other genres and as such the influx of anime is in genre you have little to no watch time in compared to the other you seem to watch a lot of action futuristic anime light heart anime a combo that has had no increase in titles produced compared to other genres and combinations

Yudina said:
This side conversation on the Japanese economy is what happens when people who read Freakonomics try to talk about macro issues lmfao. Japan's literally had sub 1% growth for the last decade and we have some brainlet here saying that Japan's economic state is "number 3." I'm reminded people here don't know anything about Japan; they just extrapolate what happens in anime to Japan and come to the conclusion that they are one and the same.

Mullerio_ said:
Anime is shit but sometimes i like some of the shit i find.

We get many decent shows aand around 4 at least good shows a year you do not need to watch all the shit. I know very surprising.

Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said:
Holy shit, the amount of hate KnY started getting once it got popular is absolutely off the charts.
People must be extra salty that the manga is selling at insane rates.

Really need to read that shit asap...

nanashi796 said:
if the people support trash then we'll get trash forever,stop supporting light novel or games ads that will only get 1 season and 95% of the time have shit production value.

Zeroflamez said:

Well instead of acting like a douche bag how about you enlighten us all with your knowledge? I'm open ears, no sarcasm. I'm willing to admit when I don't know much about something

Zeroflamez said:
And no I don't think what happens in Anime is real life at all.

MDLegs said:
Listen fellow weebs, It's time to get out of your weeb shell and realize you're not bringing light to anything new saying "nggh all new animu is traaaashhhh." It's been that way for a long time and can you change that? I'm gonna say probably not. What you can and should do is expand your horizons. Yes most new anime are trash but does that mean that you can only watch trash from now on? No. Go watch the stuff from your so called "good-old days" where all anime being made was great. If you think you're already an expert on the era, go back even further and watch the shows that came before which inspired all of your favorite anime. Go out and try to find that special little gem that you will regret not watching before(this also will fill your massive hipster ego which is a massive plus). If you're tired of watching the same media over and over go binge read manga, watch live-action movies or dare I say it read a book. If you say that everything you can watch nowadays is garbage you're full of bullshit because there's nothing stopping you from going back and watching a great show you haven't seen yet(no, you haven't seen them all).


Because if you think somehow things are magically gonna get better in the industry by you subjecting yourself to trash over and over again you're a damned fool.

Esquirtit said:
If you don't like it then don't bother watching asshole!!! Just stfu pls FFS! Not everyone has to like what you like!!!!

Hokage_Jason said:


Grow up dude. His post wasn’t disrespectful towards any users, no need to flame him. He’s entitled to his opinion.

phantom346 said:
Dude you have DBZ and YYH as your favorite anime and only watch shounen anime. You can't be the one to nag about "lack of quality anime".

Yudina said:
Seems kind of rich since the beginning of the discussion was you telling the other person to do research before talking out of his ass.

Anyway, I don't think there's anything to tell you aside from the fact that you wouldn't need to say any of this shit if you just consigned yourself to the fact that the industry is just a pipeline with which to sell more manga and light novels. The reason why genre like mecha are no longer a thing is because merchandise doesn't make money anymore and a lot of the old guard are getting older and retiring. Even in your most recent posts you seem to be under the impression that these adaptations are supposed to be "good" when in reality they're just marketing materials for the things that sell.

The faster you come to this conclusion the happier you'll be with what good titles you can hold onto.

Could've fooled me.

Zehennagel said:


because shonen can't be "quality animes" amiright ayyyyy lmao.

OnionKnightRises said:
"Oh anime is so bad nowadays, there's too much crap now". You guys realize that's no different than even those times decades ago where classics like LotGH came out, or even Ashita no Joe, right? Shit anime has always existed and has always outnumbered good anime, the reason why you don't realize this is because unlike the classics they obviously did not survive the test of time. In 30 years the same will be said of all these light novel adaptations as well. No one even talks about 98% of light novel adaptations outside of the year they were released. Light novel adaptations to us are like the soulless Tezuka knockoffs to the generations decades before us.

If you want to make a case that anime standards have changed, or that the methods used to create anime back then were more charming, then go for it. Don't try to make it seem like the majority of anime being shit is a new occurrence though. If this bothers you this much, then this medium isn't for you. The decades other than your own will always look better because you don't get a firsthand look at what things are really like, you're basically just romanticizing the medium, like the Great Gatsby but more weeb.

SaintMerakle said:

Alright that is a mistake in the way you are doing this you should not introduce yourself to a genre just like that after being a loyalist for so long I heavily suggest you either pick up one with a cool cover or watch the top rated stuff for a genre you wanna test.
I was in a very similar situation to you and the anime that broadened my sights was a what many regard as a shitty seasonal with a mediocre synopsis Trickster: Edogawa Ranpo "Shounen Tanteidan" yori. But since then I have been watching alot of different genres and it shows in my list the pure difference in number between watched genres

YossaRedMage said:
So... I generally agree with the people that say the anime coming out in the last couple years isn't quite as good as some vague time in the past. I don't give that opinion which much force, because my list isn't big enough to really be able to, but everytime I check out anime from around mid 00s to 2012ish, they have a certain flavour which I just don't see today nearly as much, or at all really.

However, OP, looking at your malgraph (https://anime.plus/Zeroflamez/profile), the stats simply don't line up with what you're saying. I think it's partly down to the fact you've rated just over a third of the shows you've seen one single score (7/10, and 174/440 shows). But looking at your ratings for different periods gives this:

2010s: 142 anime, 7.22 average
2000s: 167 anime, 7.03 average
1990s: 81 anime, 6.96 average

So not only does the number of anime you've seen trend slightly upward (overall trend, of course theres a minor decrease in anime from the last decade), you like them more too, according to your own ratings. If that doesn't reflect your actual opinions, consider using more of the 10-point scale.

Zerity said:
i mean if were talking trash, demon slayer counts in that and u like it so.

SaintMerakle said:

It seems we are both misunderstanding each other I can clearly see you are trying different genre but the things you are trying are still related to your overwatched genres which is not bad dont get me wrong but you are still in the same zone you still haven't seen the much outside your comfort zone to say. you have death parade ur only game title but its also a drama and psychological which are things you are very familiar with 50+ check out anime plus the tab favorites and organize by most titles I would say you will have a whole new perspective on the argument and see how linear your watch history has been where if a show doesn't have certain genres it seems you pretty much overlook them thats y I recommenced you watch a combo of genres you have pretty much never watched before just as long as its highly rated by the commuinity you seem to be trying to broaden your horizon but so far you efforts have been in the wrong direction from what I see

WrngHoleOniiChan said:
Less people supporting shit means less shit. As anime is getting more and more popular, it is inevitable that there will be more shit every damn yeart. Can't be helped. Nevertheless, every year there are at least four pleasant/good productions, which is pretty fine I guess.

You can also watch some old show that are objectively better than the new ones, and that's not even debatable because it's a well-known truth.

Zeroflamez said:
Your choices are Isekai, Slice of Life, Ecchi, poorly done fantasy and scifi every season.

Zeroflamez said:
Slice of Life

SaintMerakle said:

Do the organization from least to most my dude and then what I am talking about would be clearest to you again there was a misunderstanding check the genres of your lowest count ones

Zerity said:
@Zeroflamez i have demon slayer as an 8 and I love it, but it still is trash, and because of your response u do not have the right to make a post like this cause u cant handle someone saying an anime u like being trash. hence ur opinion is invalid thank you.

Roloko said:
Well according to my MAL badges the last three years were shit cause I haven't watched 50 series since 2016. I might of missed a couple hits, but I still doubt I will make it to the 50 series mark from 2017~current.

So yes I do agree its hard to come by good shows per season nowadays than it was a few years ago.

Next season is garbage only like 9 new shows I'm interested in and Spring isn't looking too good atm honestly.