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Nov 14, 2018 12:37 PM

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Yes, because there a some great shows back from before the digital animation era. Also, the animation quality didn't really change, as evident by a lot of gifs on the internet.
Nov 14, 2018 12:41 PM

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If you want to experience anime as a whole you should. If you're a casual fan don't bother.
Nov 14, 2018 12:50 PM

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thewiru said:
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What you have is merely assumptions. Don't assume shit. Try it for yourself.

Watch some notable pre 2005 anime and see if that makes a difference. For example, Mobile Suit Gundam, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Cowboy Bepop, Full Metal Alchemist etc. Most of those anime are usually the poster children of their respective genre, what's considered to be the best in their genre.


I couldn't enjoy Cowboy Bebop.
As for Gundam and FMA, i might as well just watch Brotherhood and the the Origin films.

The origin films are not 0079. They are separate things. 03 FMA is different from brotherhood as well.
Nov 14, 2018 1:02 PM

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'I couldn't enjoy Cowboy Bebop'

*quietly leaves the topic
Nov 14, 2018 1:22 PM

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yes, if you are interested in that anime and if you think its worth watching...

is that a good enough answer?
Nov 14, 2018 1:27 PM

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If you like old anime, yeah. If you prefer modern, I don't see a reason to go back watching old anime unless you want to catch up to some long-running series or something.
Nov 14, 2018 1:38 PM

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The issue in the thread, is that the intent of the thread is unclear on whether it is about animation specifically or just Japanese animations as a medium and how it changed over the years
Nov 14, 2018 1:55 PM

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A different aspect ratio shouldn't stop you from watching old shows, it might seem weird at first but that's the sort of thing you'll get used to.
Claiming that early 2000s animation sucked makes you sound ignorant, many older shows have better animation than the average show today and some feature films have truly excellent animation (notably, Ghibli films). There is a big difference in art style though but again, that's something you'll get used to.
There are certainly a lot of long old shows but there's also plenty of short to medium length ones. Just avoid the really long stuff if that's a problem for you.
If older stuff is harder to find pirating is always an option if you're okay with it, otherwise just stick with what old shows you can find easily.
I don't have a huge amount of experience with older anime but even if tropes didn't age well tropes aren't generally what makes an anime good and don't usually take up the core of a show.
If you feel like current anime satisfy you then there's no problem sticking with it. If you feel like a change try out some older stuff and see if it provides anything new for you. Plenty of old shows will be trash but plenty will also be worth trying so I'd recommend at least giving them a chance. Ghibli movies are a good place to start, although they're not exactly representative of older anime.
Nov 14, 2018 2:01 PM

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thewiru said:
I've watched Houseki no Kuni fully in 60FPS and not even then it was as fluid as your GIF, explain.
Anime in 60FPS, are you insane? Anime isn't in 60FPS, converting it to 60FPS just makes it worse.


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Nov 14, 2018 2:04 PM

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yes you should
and as for why u will know once u get into it

Well...
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Nov 14, 2018 2:22 PM

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@thewiru

as far as i know not a single anime is 60 fps so ya it wouldn't be fluid like the gif if you speed it up to 60 fps.

Lunilah said:
thewiru said:
I've watched Houseki no Kuni fully in 60FPS and not even then it was as fluid as your GIF, explain.
Anime in 60FPS, are you insane? Anime isn't in 60FPS, converting it to 60FPS just makes it worse.


[img]http://www.fanboyreview.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Gundam0079-comparison-1024x256.png[/mg]

079 gundam 2011 compared to the 1979
^ this

put away your modern gamer logic.

not everything is better in 60+ fps

especially anime.

hell even some games out there completely break if you play it passed 60 fps

such as a lot of the old touhou games.

as for your aspect ratio complaint.

a lot of the older anime get blue ray releases that adjust that.

i believe both turn A and the first gundam have blue ray releases that fix the aspect ratio
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Nov 14, 2018 2:49 PM

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Look at this gorgeous af scene


Nov 14, 2018 3:15 PM
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if you have to ask "why" then doin't do it
we don't want you here
you can stay in your post-2005 world
Nov 14, 2018 3:23 PM

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thewiru said:
It's all in 4:3, early 2000's animation sucked, pre-2000 stuff is usually long and not easily acessible, lots of older tropes didn't age well and i fell that i get most of what i like of current anime.

Should i watch pre-2005 anime? Why?


Honestly, no. Way too many gems that you don't deserve to watch.
Nov 14, 2018 3:31 PM

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All pre-2000s anime is 4:3?

that just aint true, Overman King Gainer was widescreen in 2002!!
Nov 14, 2018 4:41 PM
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Move along. Clearly the medium was shit prior to 2005. Brb, watching my Utena blurays, aka trash.
Nov 14, 2018 4:42 PM

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The best anime tell a great story, with good characters and relationships, perhaps set in a world that you want to know more about. Writers, artists, and storytellers have been doing this for generations, and when the medium is something like animation, they do it with the best tools they have available at the time. Art styles change, and CGI has vastly improved, but great storytelling is timeless.

I might appreciate the kinds of visual effects Hollywood can put into films nowadays, but I wouldn't dream of dismissing out of hand all the movies produced a generation or more ago before the capability existed to use those kind of effects. The same goes for anime. Some of my favorites were made in the last couple of years. Some of my favorites date from the 1990s or earlier.
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Nov 14, 2018 5:00 PM

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Lunilah said:
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theres a lot of good pre 2000 anime, but that's not one of them >:)

LotGH is just a meme.
I don't trust people with mean scores over 7.

ur logic is so bad

having mean scores around 7-8 is actually more reasonable cus you're expected to only watch animes that you think you would like initially and not pick stuff that u know isnt your thing and then bash it and strive around 5.0 lol

yes pre 2005 animes are worth it

evangelion+~obviously asuka is a top tier waifu
logh was ok


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Nov 14, 2018 5:15 PM

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incisorr said:
Lunilah said:
I don't trust people with mean scores over 7.

ur logic is so bad

having mean scores around 7-8 is actually more reasonable cus you're expected to only watch animes that you think you would like initially and not pick stuff that u know isnt your thing and then bash it and strive around 5.0 lol
I'll rephrase: I don't trust people with 40% of their completed being a 9/10 or higher, especially when they've completed over 300 anime. Furthermore, i don't trust peoples critique of anime when they give everything either shit or masterpiece ratings, it just tells me they don't know what they're talking about.

Just because a mean score isn't 7+ doesn't mean people aren't enjoying what they're watching. The best anime i've ever seen is LOGH and i gave it a 9, my favorite anime is Fairy Tail and that's only a 7 at best, Jojo's is a ton of fun to watch too but they mostly get 5s from me. I have no idea why you would assume people just watch things to piss themselves off to bash things, even shit anime has value.


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Nov 14, 2018 6:58 PM

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>early 2000's animation sucked
And I thought Ore Imouto and Tokyo Ghoul had good animation, why, I guess Ghost in the Shell: SAC, City Hunter, and Kenshin OVA are bad.

>pre-2000 stuff is usually long and not easily acessible
Your lost buddy, you won't ever see the Bantamweight boxer, Joe Yabuki and Hired Gun, Ryo Saeba.

>lots of older tropes didn't age well and i fell that i get most of what i like of current anime.
I do too, prefer repetitive incest humor, overreacting comedy and isekai over Delinquent underdog stories and suave macho man, doing their job as ladykillers.

>Should i watch pre-2005 anime?
Probably not

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Nov 14, 2018 7:24 PM

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People are taking this thread more personally than they should...

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Thought this was a bait thread until I saw who op is. If you don't want to watch older anime, then just don't watch it. I really doubt anybody here is actually going to sway you otherwise. Although, I get the feeling you created this thread knowing nobody would be able to change your mind and you just enjoy spouting your unpopular opinions like a few months back when you couldn't stop talking about how much you dislike Cowboy Bebop. If that is indeed true (which it may not be), I want you to know that you're a very obnoxious individual.


Allow me to say that your view of me is wrong.
There are no hidden intentions behind this thread, i just wanted someone to show me the appeal of pre-2005 stuff.

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Nov 14, 2018 8:23 PM

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thewiru said:
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another post of ignorance saying whatever decade they dont like has bad animation I see

There is no reason as to why you should watch. You should just want to watch anime in general and not care about age
Its just dumb like asking for a series that takes places in college and is about art but when given Honey and Clover as a solid option you just say ew no please, it released in 2005 so I can't watch that despite it being what I asked for
I was actually referring to a period of 5-7 years that is basically the pre-Haruhi period when anime changed it's paradigm to digital animation but still couldn't use it very well.
Yeah Ive heard of that period but most shows of that era dont even look bad or have bad animation quality despite that
Nov 14, 2018 8:39 PM

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Yes, because that includes Yu Yu Hakusho. 'Nuff said.
Nov 14, 2018 8:48 PM

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thewiru said:
People are taking this thread more personally than they should...

NickDen said:
Thought this was a bait thread until I saw who op is. If you don't want to watch older anime, then just don't watch it. I really doubt anybody here is actually going to sway you otherwise. Although, I get the feeling you created this thread knowing nobody would be able to change your mind and you just enjoy spouting your unpopular opinions like a few months back when you couldn't stop talking about how much you dislike Cowboy Bebop. If that is indeed true (which it may not be), I want you to know that you're a very obnoxious individual.


Allow me to say that your view of me is wrong.
There are no hidden intentions behind this thread, i just wanted someone to show me the appeal of pre-2005 stuff.

I'll be frank, if what you appreciate is comprehensive storytelling and great characters, basically the things that make up great works of entertainment, it's not even a question. Otherwise what are you into anime for?


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Nov 14, 2018 11:50 PM

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Tbh 4:3 often bothers me too, but if I binge it, I get used after few episodes and it's not a problem anymore.

Anyway, I have to disagree with majority of replies here. Whether it's worth it to watch something that, according to watcher, doesn't look good, depends only on what's that person's reason to watch anime. If one does it for story or other "deep" stuff, then sure, old anime is as good as any. But if someone just wants moeblobs and relax after hard day, then it won't work imo.

Also, what's up with people using few great old titles as example that most older anime had good art/animation and compare it to new anime with bad art? It's BS. If you pick top examples, compare it with other best examples. There are tons of older titles that looked like shit. Nostalgia doesn't change facts.
But yeah, pre-2005 anime can look really good too.
Nov 15, 2018 12:30 AM

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Don’t you ever get curious? Some of the stuff that came out in the past really holds up.

Nov 15, 2018 12:52 AM

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Terkhev said:
There are tons of older titles that looked like shit. Nostalgia doesn't change facts.
But yeah, pre-2005 anime can look really good too.
Don't think its nostalgia
Everyone knows there are older shows that can look like shit such as Kanon 2002


but the same year we got shows that didn't look like shit


As you said some shows from that era can indeed look good and those who are pointing out that current anime can also look like shit or have bad animation quality and that older anime can have good production are more than likely aware age doesn't matter when discussing this topic
Nov 15, 2018 1:32 AM

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You should at least go back to 1995. The stuff Evangelion made possible (as well as Eva itself, obviously) contains plenty of things which haven't been replicated in more modern times.
Nov 15, 2018 4:48 AM

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OT: You should watch pre-2005 shows because you love good animation and are tired of watching overproduced crap wich hides its ugly frames under layers of photoshop filters anyone who ever worked in any kind of graphical/design job knows are the pinnacle of bad taste and lazyness.

*reads the OP* Forget about it, you're the kind of person who'd burn greek statues because they're poorly animated. Get a pair of working eyes and try to learn what animation actually is.

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thewiru said:

>Eureka Seven
...are you sure about that?


Admittedly, the third opening does look bad, but you can't seriously say that the show looks badly animated overall.

Just kicking in a bit late to say Eureka Seven's animation wasn't all that awesome. It might LOOK impressive, but if you think about it 2 seconds, what do most combats look like? 2 trails of lights spamming perfectly round (because it's easier to animate) explosions on a pretty background.

@hazarddex C'mon, that's not a Gundam mech? Fuck, 3/4 :c I'm weak.
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thewiru said:
Allow me to say that your view of me is wrong.
There are no hidden intentions behind this thread, i just wanted someone to show me the appeal of pre-2005 stuff.


allow me to introduce you to the appeal then

Nov 15, 2018 7:52 AM

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Best anime I've ever seen came before 2005: Eva, Bebop, Lain or FLCL are some examples. Also, GitS: SAC and Hajime no Ippo are fucking awesome though in terms of animation, storytelling and character building. Haven't crossed an anime post 2005 that loved that way.
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Clebardman said:
OT: You should watch pre-2005 shows because you love good animation and are tired of watching overproduced crap wich hides its ugly frames under layers of photoshop filters anyone who ever worked in any kind of graphical/design job knows are the pinnacle of bad taste and lazyness.

*reads the OP* Forget about it, you're the kind of person who'd burn greek statues because they're poorly animated. Get a pair of working eyes and try to learn what animation actually is.



...Why would i try to burn something made from stone?
Nov 15, 2018 9:29 AM

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@thewiru... Uuuuuuh... Actually, burning stone statues then pouring cold water on them is the best way to break them effortlessly when you're out of explosives or didn't invent them yet. Burning/heating stone is something humans do since they stopped using their hands to climb trees.

I was poking fun at your lack of understanding of what is animation (or good animation), don't give me additional ammo while trying to deflect (^%
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I will never understand people who refuse to watch an anime if it is too "old". There are good and bad anime from each decade.
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Kakeras said:
Man this topic is full of bait. I'm honestly a little impressed.
Yeah, that's kind of the impression I got as well -- "Let's trigger the old guard."


But I'll bite, if only a little, on the aspect ratio thing... Not all anime from that era was 4:3. You had some TV series in 16:9 starting with Betterman in 1999, as well as various movies and OVAs before that. Plus, it's not like being 4:3 is inherently worse, anyway. After all, anime watchers in the early 2000s didn't shun16:9 shows like Vandread, Noir, Samurai 7, Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex, Mahoromatic, or Figure 17 simply because they didn't fit the 4:3 screens everybody had back then. If viewers from that era could survive black bars, surely modern-day viewers can, too.

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Nov 15, 2018 12:07 PM

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@thewiru, so what's your conclusion after 2 days and 3 pages?


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Lunilah said:
@thewiru, so what's your conclusion after 2 days and 3 pages?


I didn't make this thread to "trigger" anyone.
If something, i think i wouldn't get so much backlash if i made a thread swapping "pre-2005" for "post-2005".

That being said, i only got two or three comments that explained me part of the appeal of it. But if something, i got more from a talk i had with my "boss" yesterday.
I made this thread because i noticed that, acting normally and not getting out of my way, i would rarelly watch 2005 stuff without noticing that. He argued that it was this way because "i grew-up in seasonals and fast-food anime".
His argument was that older anime tended to "have more value" and be thorough stories with more messages, though he used 2007-2008 anime as examples.
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thewiru said:
Lunilah said:
@thewiru, so what's your conclusion after 2 days and 3 pages?


I didn't make this thread to "trigger" anyone.
If something, i think i wouldn't get so much backlash if i made a thread swapping "pre-2005" for "post-2005".

That being said, i only got two or three comments that explained me part of the appeal of it. But if something, i got more from a talk i had with my "boss" yesterday.
I made this thread because i noticed that, acting normally and not getting out of my way, i would rarelly watch 2005 stuff without noticing that. He argued that it was this way because "i grew-up in seasonals and fast-food anime".
His argument was that older anime tended to "have more value" and be thorough stories with more messages, though he used 2007-2008 anime as examples.
I think you rubbed people the wrong way because of your broad misconceptions and didn't specify them. I think it's more accurate to say instead of fast-food anime; that you're young and haven't watched much anime yet so you haven't refined your tastes to appreciate the flesh and bones of an anime.


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@thewiru to me it seems that if you didn't create this thread for baiting then the only other possibility is that you created it to find validation to your theory that pre-2005 anime is not worth the watch because all of the reasons you stated in your first post, because honestly after at least 4 years of watching anime (given your join date) you seriously couldn't come up with a simple answer like "because there's a lot of anime a lot of people consider good coming from that era" or "because that era contains a lot of shows considered as unforgettable classics" or anything of the likes, by your own? which was really not that hard at all?

what kind of answers were you looking for then?
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thewiru said:
Lunilah said:
@thewiru, so what's your conclusion after 2 days and 3 pages?


I didn't make this thread to "trigger" anyone.
If something, i think i wouldn't get so much backlash if i made a thread swapping "pre-2005" for "post-2005".

That being said, i only got two or three comments that explained me part of the appeal of it. But if something, i got more from a talk i had with my "boss" yesterday.
I made this thread because i noticed that, acting normally and not getting out of my way, i would rarelly watch 2005 stuff without noticing that. He argued that it was this way because "i grew-up in seasonals and fast-food anime".
His argument was that older anime tended to "have more value" and be thorough stories with more messages, though he used 2007-2008 anime as examples.

I mean I haven't seen many pre-2005 anime, either, but I find that hard to believe. Maybe the seasonal thing, but I find it hard to believe that there weren't a bunch of "fast food anime" before 2005. An important thing to remember is that back then, it was a lot harder to watch anime. It very well may be that he missed or ignored the trashy shows and focused on the ones he liked and thought had "more value".

Well, unless he was raised in Japan and actually had access to all those shows that weren't being aired, let alone dubbed, outside of the country.
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Lunilah said:
thewiru said:


I didn't make this thread to "trigger" anyone.
If something, i think i wouldn't get so much backlash if i made a thread swapping "pre-2005" for "post-2005".

That being said, i only got two or three comments that explained me part of the appeal of it. But if something, i got more from a talk i had with my "boss" yesterday.
I made this thread because i noticed that, acting normally and not getting out of my way, i would rarelly watch 2005 stuff without noticing that. He argued that it was this way because "i grew-up in seasonals and fast-food anime".
His argument was that older anime tended to "have more value" and be thorough stories with more messages, though he used 2007-2008 anime as examples.
I think you rubbed people the wrong way because of your broad misconceptions and didn't specify them. I think it's more accurate to say instead of fast-food anime; that you're young and haven't watched much anime yet so you haven't refined your tastes to appreciate the flesh and bones of an anime.


Not to mention that focusing on "bad" animation and art style as well as a 4:3 screen res can be easily interpreted as pretty shallow reasoning to avoid thousands of anime.
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SithSteel said:
Lunilah said:
I think you rubbed people the wrong way because of your broad misconceptions and didn't specify them. I think it's more accurate to say instead of fast-food anime; that you're young and haven't watched much anime yet so you haven't refined your tastes to appreciate the flesh and bones of an anime.


Not to mention that focusing on "bad" animation and art style as well as a 4:3 screen res can be easily interpreted as pretty shallow reasoning to avoid thousands of anime.
That's what i'm saying about his tastes not being refined. I defer to this post:
Lunilah said:
I'll be frank, if what you appreciate is comprehensive storytelling and great characters, basically the things that make up great works of entertainment, it's not even a question. Otherwise what are you into anime for?


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90s and 2000s are the Golden Age of anime. Plenty of good (best) things were created in that time
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Monster was aired in 2004, so yes, you should.
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Lunilah said:
SithSteel said:


Not to mention that focusing on "bad" animation and art style as well as a 4:3 screen res can be easily interpreted as pretty shallow reasoning to avoid thousands of anime.
That's what i'm saying about his tastes not being refined. I defer to this post:
Lunilah said:
I'll be frank, if what you appreciate is comprehensive storytelling and great characters, basically the things that make up great works of entertainment, it's not even a question. Otherwise what are you into anime for?

Oh okay. I was just offering my own additions to your post.
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Best answer I can give is there's some traits of pre 2005 anime that you simply can't find in modern anime. If you're looking for a sci-fi space story, you can all but count the options on your fingers for post 2005, but there's a significant number of them from pre 2005. Also, there's more shows that are willing to have the character designs be unattractive or off-putting to fit with the mood of the story like Boogiepop Phantom, Monster, or Perfect Blue. Pre 2000 is when Gundam was arguably at it's highest, putting out series like 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket, and Turn A. Pre 2005 is where somber tales with bleak colors like Kino's Journey, Haibane Renmei, or Wolf's Rain lie.

I do generally consider myself a more modern anime fan; I've watched mostly series from the 2010s, a decent chunk from 2000s, and only a handful from before that. But even with the little I've seen, there are some stories that I could only find from a different decade. And given that I like to see new sorts of things and don't just want to see the exact same shit over and over again, I think going back to see what was in previous decades and what led to where we are now is incredibly interesting and at times refreshing.
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Arkab said:
@thewiru to me it seems that if you didn't create this thread for baiting then the only other possibility is that you created it to find validation to your theory that pre-2005 anime is not worth the watch because all of the reasons you stated in your first post, because honestly after at least 4 years of watching anime (given your join date) you seriously couldn't come up with a simple answer like "because there's a lot of anime a lot of people consider good coming from that era" or "because that era contains a lot of shows considered as unforgettable classics" or anything of the likes, by your own? which was really not that hard at all?

what kind of answers were you looking for then?


Invalidations for such theory.
Mainly incentives and texts convincing me of the appeal of pre-2005 anime.

@Lunilah

What would be the "flesh and bones" of anime?
Why i still watch anime? Because i can take something from every anime i watch, even if they're not that good. Also, in the entirity of this thread, not once was proved that "Older anime were better in storytelling" and etc, only comments that already pressupose that as true and comments that presuppose that i should also presuppose that

Nemo_Niemand said:
90s and 2000s are the Golden Age of anime. Plenty of good (best) things were created in that time


Considering people will often name "AKIRA" and "Cowboy Bebop" as part of this list, this doesn't get me very hyped.
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thewiru said:
Considering people will often name "AKIRA" and "Cowboy Bebop" as part of this list, this doesn't get me very hyped.

I personally don't care for those shows either but there are plenty of 90's anime that I do like.
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@thewiru I have little free time so sorry if there are grammar mistakes but I didn't double check what I wrote. I think that now after 3 pages I have a better idea of what you tried to accomplish so here you go

The problem with this thread is, it sounds vague. You come with a bunch of statements (some of which are wrong) and it isn't clear what exactly you expect to gain out of this. You don't have any specific question (except the vague "should I watch pre 2005 stuff"), you don't ask for recommendations, I had no idea what you want at first.

First of all, not everything pre 2005 is in 4:3, and you might also want to explain why exactly this aspect ratio is problematic for you. It's different at first, you need to get used to it if you never watched anything like that before, but it should be something possible to do.

Second, your list is confusing. You scored Bebop and Akira with 3. These are shows people are likely to recommend to someone who have troubles getting into older stuff. It'd be helpful if you referred to these shows in the thread, told what exactly you disliked (the artstyle? animation? characters? story?) and what you generally expect from older anime so that people could recommend something more to your liking.

Third, there's lots of shorter old anime. You don't need to watch long stuff if you're not comfortable with them, you'll find plenty of movies, ovas and 1-2 cour tv series. There's a lot of independent ovas from 80s and 90s, they weren't like the modern ones which are mostly just additions to existing series.

Another thing is, for older anime you need to have good sources. It isn't hard to access, but it requires a little more efort. I don't know how you're watching anime, but don't use illegal streaming services (if you do). For older anime you should only use either legal sources (preferably bds if available) or high quality torrents. Always search for the best release, you can often find the same show in different versions sometimes varying from 480p 4:3 to 1080p. Watching some half-assed stream is the worst thing you can do.


Okay now recommendations for high quality short (basically just movies) older anime, I tried to choose some that are one of their kind (not like Bebop - even though I like it a lot, it's hard to deny it lacks creativity when it comes to tropes):

Ghibli movies:
Hotaru no Haka
Tonari no Totoro
Spirited Away
generally most (all?) of them will do

Satoshi Kon movies: Perfect Blue, Sennen Joyuu, Magnetic Rose (the first part of Memories)

Other
Macross: Do You Remember Love? (can be watched as a stand alone)
Vampire Hunter D (2000) (can be watched as a stand alone)
Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Tsuioku-hen (can be watched as a stand alone)
Robot Carnival (mostly consists of music shorts)
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thewiru said:
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What would be the "flesh and bones" of anime?
Why i still watch anime? Because i can take something from every anime i watch, even if they're not that good. Also, in the entirity of this thread, not once was proved that "Older anime were better in storytelling" and etc, only comments that already pressupose that as true and comments that presuppose that i should also presuppose that
Everything that isn't surface level like art, animation, or aspect ratio. Those aren't the meat and bones of anime, they're the makeup. Blood sweat and tears can go into beautiful makeup to enforce specific elements, but it's not the point i'm making. If all you're into is eye-candy, or can't watch great anime without having the eye-candy then your tastes are very shallow and unrefined.

The vast majority of anime today or in any era isn't animated well, but there are a lot of great animations from every era, the only difference is the art style. Which this era is extremely homogenized for art style, probably more apparent now because i didn't grow up with anime and can't speak for the vast shitness then like i can for the trash now.

Time is a wonderful thing, so many seasons have come and gone and you don't have to waste time finding out what is good and what's mediocre or worse. It's already finished for you to watch.


I don't believe in the Devil.
You should. He believes in you.
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