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| As for the latest episode, Okabe's motivation came back to use the time leap machine again. Okabe using the time leap macgine means Suzuha and Mayuri really did get killed. Is Okabe gonna have an infinite loop of going to the past again and again? And if Mayuri successfully convinced the past Okabe to find the Steins;Gate it's possible that he can save both Mayuri and Kurisu this time. |
 I am not a friend of justice. I am an enemy of evil. STAPLE STABLE |
| This show has so many plot holes. How is this scored high? |
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| Try ; Fail ; Repeat ; Try ; Fail ; Repeat Is this Edge of Tomorrow!?!? 5/5. |
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sanlei said: Overall a lot of anime onlies seem to like the pointless loop despite knowing convergence is in place for the time machine and it managed to feel like original S;G for the more nostalgic crowd, so its fine they didnt spend more ressources on this pointless scene. Still, they made this loop better and more entertaining than the boring episodes earlier that I suppose were there to develop characters, but I cannot say I have gained any deep psychological insight about them in those past episodes, especially for characters like ‘I am another anime girl with a sad backstory, number 32617834962378956912378534789, please feel sorry for me’ Kagari or ‘let’s repeat the same damn comment about Maho liking Okabe again that is not funny and delivers absolutely nothing’ Leskinen. Maho is the best of the new characters, because she has a connection to Kirisu, so it is one of the rare examples of a show where a girl has more to her than a relationship with the main guy. But frankly speaking, having fairly well developed relationships to two people is not super deep characterization either. I understand however, how compared with other shows that don’t bother even to do this much the show looks deep and psychological to some people. If anyone asks me, the creators may have done a much better job with Okabe’s development while keeping the journey through world-lines that many fans seem to like intact. Just make Okabe initially switch world-lines against his own will like in episode 8, because Russians are experimenting with the time machine and make Okabe gain a new perspective on the situation and his feelings during this journey. If well executed, it would be at least much more interesting than staying in one world-line and seeing Okabe moping around for the majority of the series. |
Lain666Aug 25, 2018 12:18 AM
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
| I just can't understand how Okabe come through all this soliders. |
Lain666 said: sanlei said: Overall a lot of anime onlies seem to like the pointless loop despite knowing convergence is in place for the time machine and it managed to feel like original S;G for the more nostalgic crowd, so its fine they didnt spend more ressources on this pointless scene. Still, they made this loop better and more entertaining than the boring episodes earlier that I suppose were there to develop characters, but I cannot say I have gained any deep psychological insight about them in those past episodes, especially for characters like ‘I am another anime girl with a sad backstory, number 32617834962378956912378534789, please feel sorry for me’ Kagari or ‘let’s repeat the same damn comment about Maho liking Okabe again that is not funny and delivers absolutely nothing’ Leskinen. Maho is the best of the new characters, because she has a connection to Kirisu, so it is one of the rare examples of a show where a girl has more to her than a relationship with the main guy. But frankly speaking, having fairly well developed relationships to two people is not super deep characterization either. I understand however, how compared with other shows that don’t bother even to do this much the show looks deep and psychological to some people. If anyone asks me, the creators may have done a much better job with Okabe’s development while keeping the journey through world-lines that many fans seem to like intact. Just make Okabe initially switch world-lines against his own will like in episode 8, because Russians are experimenting with the time machine and make Okabe gain a new perspective on the situation and his feelings during this journey. If well executed, it would be at least much more interesting than staying in one world-line and seeing Okabe moping around for the majority of the series. Nah, they had much better stuff to use for as an transition into the next scene but decided against it, as everyone seems to rather want the timeloop aspect back. I dont see how a loop with 1 liners "Professor Reyes?!" "Kagari?!" "Fire!" and repeated aspects is great. Its literally half the episode spending time on a summary what happened in 18 even to the point of Okabe wondering if its due to convergence despite Leskinen making it clear in 18. Anime Onlies just dont wanna bother with the story and see Okabe in a loop like original S;G. Its that simple. xZabuzax said: Lain666 said: Still, they made this loop better and more entertaining than the boring episodes earlier that I suppose were there to develop characters, but I cannot say I have gained any deep psychological insight about them in those past episodes, especially for characters like ‘I am another anime girl with a sad backstory, number 32617834962378956912378534789, please feel sorry for me’ Kagari or ‘let’s repeat the same damn comment about Maho liking Okabe again that is not funny and delivers absolutely nothing’ Leskinen. Maho is the best of the new characters, because she has a connection to Kirisu, so it is one of the rare examples of a show where a girl has more to her than a relationship with the main guy. But frankly speaking, having fairly well developed relationships to two people is not super deep characterization either. I understand however, how compared with other shows that don’t bother even to do this much the show looks deep and psychological to some people. If anyone asks me, the creators may have done a much better job with Okabe’s development while keeping the journey through world-lines that many fans seem to like intact. Just make Okabe initially switch world-lines against his own will like in episode 8, because Russians are experimenting with the time machine and make Okabe gain a new perspective on the situation and his feelings during this journey. If well executed, it would be at least much more interesting than staying in one world-line and seeing Okabe moping around for the majority of the series. This!!!, I totally agree with your comment, one of the best comment in this thread regarding the failures of this anime so far. Another thing that irks me is that Amadeus role has been so insignificant in these 19 episodes that you could remove Amadeus entirely and this anime will remain the same. This anime is obviously not about time travel like the OG was, this is about Artificial Intelligence and in this aspect this anime failed hard because in these 19 episodes Amadeus was absent for most of the show. So I'm going to obviously blame the new director (who did a poor job in the majority of the episodes) and the source material which apparently wasn't that good to begin with either. Amadeus isnt even direct part of 1 of the 2 mainroutes in 0. The worldline shift in episode 8 originally would cause in a worldline with the Amadeus project on hold, the anime omitted this part as this new worldline would conflict with it as they mix both mainroutes to form a linear story in a new worldline to complement 0. So how is this about Artificial Intelligence without an Artificial Intelligence created in the first place? Amadeus isnt just used for the AI aspect, but rather the Brain Science aspect. And guess what the next episode will be about? Brain Science. - ability to dump data from humans to make virutal copies of human data (Maho & Kurisu) - ability to read data from humans (Kurisu's memories about time travel) - ability to understand how the brain works (Fubuki) - ability to use data from humans to create AIs (Amadeus System aka Amadeus [Kurisu] and Amadeus [Maho] used as examples) - ability to write data into humans (Kagari) - ability to transfer data across time via humans without relying on Reading Steiner (Leskinen) - ability to manipulate the brain to break human limits (Kagari) and one very important aspect i cant mention as it would be spoiler for next episode which will be again partly about Brain Science. Which is why you also see an brain in the 2nd opening of 0. And guess what the time-leap does? It transfers data across time, shocking right that one of the major themes of original S;G uses Brain Science to make time-leaps possible. And guess what makes Okabe special? Right his Reading Steiner which is part of his brain being immune to the rewriting of wordlines. Which leads again to the aspect of Brain Science. But all that is still used to rather dive deeper into the themes of original S;G, instead of creating an entirely story about this aspect like original S;G did about timetravel. So i cant say that 0 is about Brain Science either just cause its an integral part as it still deals with other timetravel aspects like paradoxes and breaking convergences or what happens with failed timetraveling. As its still the story about creating S;G, while exploring the beta wordline and how the characters deal with it. |
sanleiAug 25, 2018 6:18 AM
sanlei said: Lain666 said: Still, they made this loop better and more entertaining than the boring episodes earlier that I suppose were there to develop characters, but I cannot say I have gained any deep psychological insight about them in those past episodes, especially for characters like ‘I am another anime girl with a sad backstory, number 32617834962378956912378534789, please feel sorry for me’ Kagari or ‘let’s repeat the same damn comment about Maho liking Okabe again that is not funny and delivers absolutely nothing’ Leskinen. Maho is the best of the new characters, because she has a connection to Kirisu, so it is one of the rare examples of a show where a girl has more to her than a relationship with the main guy. But frankly speaking, having fairly well developed relationships to two people is not super deep characterization either. I understand however, how compared with other shows that don’t bother even to do this much the show looks deep and psychological to some people. If anyone asks me, the creators may have done a much better job with Okabe’s development while keeping the journey through world-lines that many fans seem to like intact. Just make Okabe initially switch world-lines against his own will like in episode 8, because Russians are experimenting with the time machine and make Okabe gain a new perspective on the situation and his feelings during this journey. If well executed, it would be at least much more interesting than staying in one world-line and seeing Okabe moping around for the majority of the series. Nah, they had much better stuff to use for as an transition into the next scene but decided against it, as everyone seems to rather want the timeloop aspect back. I dont see how a loop with 1 liners "Professor Reyes?!" "Kagari?!" "Fire!" and repeated aspects is great. Its literally half the episode spending time on a summary what happened in 18 even to the point of Okabe wondering if its due to convergence despite Leskinen making it clear in 18. I have never said that this episode is ideal and perfect. I only said that compared with the majority of episodes that came before it was better and more entertaining. |
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
xAnimus said: I really don't get where they are going now... I get they wanted to go with linear route, but they changed so much that they have hit on a wall. I really don't know why they wanted to change the VN SO much. I was waiting for THAT scene to happen... and BAM second time time machine getting rekt. Now it seems they are going for which sure can make sense one way or another, but come on... Dont forget that this isnt just about the VN but also Arclight and connecting to the true ending of 0. Its already confirmed that 20 will be PR. It was always the case they are going to make it like that when they shifted from PR to V&A in 9. I expected from 13 to reach PR in 20, and it happened. It makes perfectly sense even if you apply the VN structure, as you can read V&A before PR, while having to skip-through V&A again to reach the true ending. The only real difference is how they do it, which is rather disappointing as GS would be much better way to connect both instead of this anime original homage to episode 13 of the original. But i guess they wanted to keep the AD aspect to it, while apealing more to the original S;G crowd and rather explain things within PR in 20. And it can be a rather interesting way to explain aside the pointless loop within 19. xAnimus said: sanlei said: Its literally half the episode spending time on a summary what happened in 18 even to the point of Okabe wondering if its due to convergence despite Leskinen making it clear in 18. But it's not. The time machine getting destroyed is not a convergence point. Whether the time machine gets destroyed or not doesn't affect Beta WLs absolute convergence point (WW3 happening). At least not in the VN and in a logical aspect. Though the later can be skipped without reasoning, just like how Mayuri's death is apparently a reason SERN manages to create a time machine. Im talking about the Anime version. Otherwise you are correct, but doesnt change how the anime still showed an pointless loop, which wasnt in the VN, just to explain a small detail (Reyes) and lead to the crack. |
sanleiAug 25, 2018 7:18 AM
| Also the look kinda surprised me. Think its the best part of this episode. Its the first time we've seen soldiers with camouflage in the TV version, while we had the censored toysoldiers in the episodes before. Something that was also fixed in episode 4 bluray. Also first time i've felt they got the atmosphere of the situation right (at least in the first half, 2nd still needs lots of improvement). Mod Edit: Removed quote of spoiler Edit: Thanks for removing the spoiler. |
sanleiAug 25, 2018 12:54 PM
| I haven't played either of the VNs so I don't know what happens or what's supposed to happen nor do I know if they are adapting 0 good or not compared to the people who have played said source material, but I will say that this was a fire ass episode definitely a much needed episode too it really does feel like the Steins;Gate I know and love from watching the first anime. Also yeah those action scenes in the last couple episodes were laughably bad animation wise I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so LOL |
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| god damn that was good here we go again |
| uuuuuuh, so how did okabe escape from the americans the second time round??? |
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| I still feel worn out from previous episodes, I just can't fully appreciate when the drama gets good due to how much of a drag previous episodes were. I'm really hoping that the last few eps can blow me away. It keeps being hyped up by people who played the VN and I feel like it's not gonna be as great as they say it will be, considering what I've seen so far... but I guess I'll have to see how it goes :3 |
| It was...ok I guess. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| This episode was pretty reminiscent of the original Steins;Gate with the time leaps and the tension going on. It's really unfortunate that we have to wait an extra week for a new episode but hey, it looks like Okabe is slowly returning to his own self. Looking forward to that. |
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zunderdog24 said: uuuuuuh, so how did okabe escape from the americans the second time round??? Maybe it's something named convergence. Yeah I know convergence is a cool name for plot armor. At least it is great when it actively tries to work against our protagonist (Mayuri's death in alpha, time machine blowing up (?) in this episode). |
awrup said: zunderdog24 said: uuuuuuh, so how did okabe escape from the americans the second time round??? Maybe it's something named convergence. Yeah I know convergence is a cool name for plot armor. At least it is great when it actively tries to work against our protagonist (Mayuri's death in alpha, time machine blowing up (?) in this episode). Convergence means that Okabe wont die till 2025. Other things can still happen to him. Its not an established event he manages to get away to be able to time-leap again (sounds ridiculous if it would be an established event lol). But yeah the anime abuses it as plot armor to not have to show unimportant transitions. In this case its really just an anime original homage to episode 13, where he also escaped from ridiculous situations. The how is rather unimportant in both anime versions. This loop doesnt occur in the VN. Its just kinda fanservice to the original S;G crowd, while explaining the roof event a bit more and showing that Okabe can be willing to change the situation. The only important bit from the 2nd half of this episode is really just the crack. Which isnt tied to this event either, but it makes sense for them to tie it like that as it leads to an major event that needs to happen before the ending. |
sanleiAug 27, 2018 7:29 PM
| Wow, after episode 17 this anime started to really look good ^ - ^. I hope it continues like this until the 23rd ... |
"No matter where you go, everyone's connected." Iwakura, Lain. |
| whenever I rewatch this show I always think most or half of the problems/issues they're all facing can/could simply be solved if they all communicated with each other rather than keeping things to themselves like okabe, dude stop with your internal monologues and maybe try talking about the important plot points to others rather than waiting for one of your friends to pull out a gun on you to literally make you talk lol he somehow thinks his friends are too stupid or not strong enough to know about miyuri or anyone of them possibly dying? I mean I think they would rather want to know and help which could have easily led to avoiding most of what happens in episode 2-10 and in the original steins;gate. Kurisu had to inspect Okabe's behaviours to find out he was from the beta timeline in episode 8 and when she did she helped him make the decision he was afraid to make, imagine if she hadn't cared to look, okabe will be having internal monologues for 3 more episodes. And now that brings me to our loli girl. she was holding out on info on Kurisu's computer which could help both her and the group and maybe even kurisu herself but chooses to not let anyone know even tho ppl with guns are after her because of what lies on that computer. i can go on and on but the more I think about it, this new series reminds me of what I didn't like about the original series but stretched out into 19 episodes. |
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| Tuturu~ i knew mayushii had a thing for Kiyouma or okarin I KneW IT RIgHT fROm THE stArt bOIIII and i knew the prof lady was involved with this shit also prof leskinen be like '' where are the japanese shaman girls lintahlo? '' if lintahlo showed where miko san was there wouldnt be a war! ٩(◕‿◕｡)۶ im so happy okarin is manning up boii its like re zero all over again suffering deppresion and a reason not to give up!! dont forget the plot twist!! (☆ω☆)(☆ω☆)(☆ω☆) i cant believe my brother said this was shiittt Tuturu~ |
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| Okabe getting into the fight mode finally! It was great to see the lab getting lively again. Everyone working at their limit best to get the time leap machine ready! Now to wait for hououin kyouma to make his comeback! Then off saving kurisu we gooo~ But the question is how did daru and hiyajo san get the microwave ready in time when okabe returned safe somehow from the radio building... the first time they built it okabe had to fill them in about SERN hacking and the TV downstairs...? And the screen crack at the end! What was that!?!! |
xueyutanhuaSep 1, 2018 5:42 AM
| i dont like sg0, and all the fighting scenes were bad, i played the vn already , tho if next episode is what i am expecting , its going to be good or decent at least and it seems so because look at the time when he use that time leap, its jumbled up and lead to ........ |
| It was better than the last episode. Finally, a time travel. |
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| much better than the last episode, actually anything is better than that episode this episode was ok, dr.leskinen didnt start monologue of his plan thank god for that My Advice: steins gate should just stay away from animating fight scenes in general as of now its 8/10 for me unless there is a repeat of ep18 |
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| ok so much steins feels again.. so much liking the show right now |
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| Well this was a fun ride, everything good until I see Leskinen again, where the cute shrine girls at, amirite? |
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| We're back at time leaping loops again... boy this sure could get quite intense!!! Really lovely yet sad episode again! Looking forwards to see what's next. |
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Providentia said: Hahaha. Oh yeah. I didn't notice that. TeeheeKyamana said: As for the latest episode, Okabe's motivation came back to use the time leap machine again. Okabe using the time leap macgine means Suzuha and Mayuri really did get killed. Is Okabe gonna have an infinite loop of going to the past again and again? And if Mayuri successfully convinced the past Okabe to find the Steins;Gate it's possible that he can save both Mayuri and Kurisu this time. you typo the machine part XD |
| I am not a friend of justice. I am an enemy of evil. STAPLE STABLE |
| Having a super hacker around sure is convenient. Another great episode. Just thinking about the mind power to time leap time over time and do the time leap machine over and over again is stressing just to think about. Seems like the time machine exploding is a convergence but it shouldn't be if he travel back some times with some extra time. Great episode and yeah Reyes was from Durpa and the professor from Stratfor |
| Terrorists attack my ass, I find it difficult to believe that nobody saw a bunch of military helicopters flying close above the city! Now that Kurisu's sacrifice is in vain, Okabe decided to proceed in building the time leap machine! YES! Seeing Daru AKA Super Hacker hacking SERN while restoring Amadeus' system along with Okabe and everyone else helping the development of the time leap machine in one way or another reminds me of the times back in the OG Steins; Gate. The vibe is there... I especially am glad of Okabe's determination to FINALLY willing to go through the pain of time leaping back in time in an attempt to reach the perfect Steins; Gate worldline. Operation Arc Light is to slap Okabe and encourage him to continue trying to rescue Kurisu huh! I knew it! That slap itself is a very crucial thing that has to happen! |
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| I love the pseudoscience in this one. - We need to hack CSERN and use the Large Hadron Collider. - But the microwave isn't stable enough! - Just turn on the TV downstairs. |
fuyukiJan 11, 2019 11:45 AM
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| This is S;G we love. Now OKABE PLEASE RETURN TO HOUOUIN KYOUMA! |
| I have a feeling it'll be like the first season. He said they didn't find bodies, so i think the time machine being destroyed is staged, just like kurisu's death in the first season. Cuse i guess if people don't think it's destroyed, they'll not do some important thing they need to do. If that's the case, you'd think them going back for operation archlight would have changed the present already. Hmmmmm. I wonder if replacing the time machine instead requires some certain future event, so he'll have to keep repeating until he gets to a timeline where his future is able to go back and stage the breaking of the time machine. Hmmmmm |
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| The start of World War III. Now he finally snaps out of it (wanting to save Suzuha and Mayuri) despite their bodies not being found. Seems like this is a convergence point aswell since now it's Reyes that came earlier since he changed the past by going back (different worldline) This is just like Kurisu's "death" in the original Steins;Gate, gotta find a way to change the past without changing it, otherwise it'll just keep ending with Suzuha and Mayuri leaving in the time machine and "blowing up" (Unless something else is the convergence point) That ending scene looked really scary, stuck on 00:00:00:00 on the 07/06 with that crack at the end O_O |
PrOxAntoMar 23, 2019 12:21 PM
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| So the other helmet girl is Judy afterall, Yuki was just a red herring. I just realized that there was another attractor field other than the time machine being destroyed (not confirmed), it's Okabe's life. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
Kish0 said: So the other helmet girl is Judy afterall, Yuki was just a red herring. I just realized that there was another attractor field other than the time machine being destroyed (not confirmed), it's Okabe's life. Kish0 said: So the other helmet girl is Judy afterall, Yuki was just a red herring. I just realized that there was another attractor field other than the time machine being destroyed (not confirmed), it's Okabe's life. Hm? How can Okabe's life being an Attractor Field? XD is this some kind of joke? |
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SheevPalpatine said: Kish0 said: So the other helmet girl is Judy afterall, Yuki was just a red herring. I just realized that there was another attractor field other than the time machine being destroyed (not confirmed), it's Okabe's life. Kish0 said: So the other helmet girl is Judy afterall, Yuki was just a red herring. I just realized that there was another attractor field other than the time machine being destroyed (not confirmed), it's Okabe's life. Hm? How can Okabe's life being an Attractor Field? XD is this some kind of joke? Yeah it meant to be a joke as to how Okabe can easily get past those soldiers. But who knows? lol. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
Kish0 said: SheevPalpatine said: Hm? How can Okabe's life being an Attractor Field? XD is this some kind of joke? Yeah it meant to be a joke as to how Okabe can easily get past those soldiers. But who knows? lol. He is fated to die in 2025, that's why he can't die in 2011 |
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SheevPalpatine said: Kish0 said: Yeah it meant to be a joke as to how Okabe can easily get past those soldiers. But who knows? lol. He is fated to die in 2025, that's why he can't die in 2011 You're right, that's probably the reason. Also isn't this a spoiler? Cause this mentioned in episode 20 if I recall correctly. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
| Oh wow really keen to know what happens next! |
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| Nice to see Okarin using the timeleaper again, but this only means Okarin is gonna suffer more from seeing the time machine blowing up again and again I wonder if they really got blown up, seeing that no bodies were found |
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