| It can be bad similar to how some brony critics are to mlp, but sometimes we shouldn't shoot down educated videos of people who take their time. |
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animezinghayden said: kamisama751 said: no because I said if you are HAPPY to watch a 5/10 then you have no standards. If something to me is a 5/10 I'm not gonna finish it because I don't like it. It relates to any form of scoring, I used school but in any facet of life a 5/10 is a shit fucking score and I honestly can't believe people are arguing that. Nothing that is 5/10 is worth indulging in, if I go to a restaurant and I think it's 5/10 I'm never gonna go back, so if I watch 3 episode of anime, think they are all crap, I'm not gonna continuing going back to watch it. It is honestly ridiculous that people have nothing better to do with their time than sit there and watch a show they're not really enjoying for some of the piss poor reasons mentioned in that link. You could spend that time doing something actually worth the timeAppreciating the effort gone into it has nothing to do with criticism at all. Which, your original statement wants to say otherwise. Your original post says otherwise: There is nothing wrong with him doing that and he still got the rights to do it in the future. Your original statement is still wrong. And those people who are really whiny are NOT representants of critics. So don't say somethinng stupid as your original statement where you point out a very big group of people who has completely nothing to do with it when you actually only mean a certain little group. I will stay the same. (I got you.) :P This is where you missunderstood the whole thing. People who have no standards rate shows higher. People who got one rate lower. Additionally, what I wanted to know from you is: Why should exactly the school scoring system and not other scoring systems being used. You need to answer this one. There are enough reasons of why to watch certain shows you don't enjoy. Since I am too lazy I will just give you a link: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1533303&show=50#msg46914066 I don't get why you're insulting him when he's merely presenting his points in a non-puerile manner? |
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kamisama751 said: Dude, just give up, he's equally stupid in other threads he posts in.animezinghayden said: Mate your a silly cunt if you don't understand the correlation. You make something and you are given a score. he animation studio has made something, and the general population are giving it a score. 5/10 is a fucking shit score. You have completed so many anime titles that its fucking embarrasing that you have nearly spent a year of your life watching tv so your brain is probably fucked up by now anyway, but in the small chance that it isn't you have almost spent a year of your life watching absolute fucking rubbish that you don't ebven enjoy because your mean score is 5. Your fucking embarrasing Correlation does not lead to causation. Then, once again: You still haven't understood it. Yes, you make something and someone else gives a score but why exactly should that person use the school scoring system and not another scoring system? That is what I have been asking you all along. Then you try to offend me. Let me do that to you too: How old are you mentaly not to be able to give an answer to a question? 10? |
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| Well let's see. Most people just doesn't bother. Look at the scores of Attack on Titan (good music, amazing fight scenes) and it gets tons of 9-10. I don't want to go into how crappy, the story and the characters are BUT. Hey look at that we re-use a 3 min long scene from the previous episode, then we show like another 2--3 minutes literal still image. Why aren't they pointing this out ? Because they doesn't care and go with the enjoyment to give a score. On the other hand there are some people who does this, I personally hate when some things are outstandingly well done in an anime then something crap just gets flapped into my face. Although it's not the animation in most cases. My Attack on Titan example was only there to show you it with animation (cause you made a point about it). |
Major123 said: TheBrainintheJar said: Well I'm not specifying anyone, its just usually those people.I have 40 anime completed and some truly negative reviews. It doesn't matter how much someone watched, but how they argue. Do they back up their criticism? How is their grip with literary theory? Can they explain themselves, or are they just throwing 'lol this is weird'? People who say there isn't anything good anymore just are lazy and don't put in effort. Still, the number of completed anime does nothing to disprove someone's opinion. |
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animezinghayden said: Hmm, i don't care about rating that much but dude, this is not high school system.You have to be joking. 5/10 is not good because it is a fail mark. If i ever bother wasting my time adding what i've watched here, my rating system would be. Look how far your have to go down the top anime list to find 5/10 and then have a look at those titles. "THERE ARE ENOUGH REASONS OF WHY TO WATCH CERTAIN SHOW YOU DONT ENJOY" if someone finished something, their always and enjoyment part for them. whether it's about anime itself or they enjoy laughing at how dumb the plot is. still they enjoy their experience. do you understand how embarassing that is. not as someone who use school rating system and think everyone should use the same You want to spend your free time watching things you don't enjoy because why? People can enjoy different thing in different way. don't you know that? wut? You want to add anime to your imaginary list that no one actually cares about? i'll talk about myself. well, i don't even bother wasting my time adding anime to my list.Because you wan't to laugh at something someone has worked hard to create? laughing at someone who praise flaw anime as flawless is better. Mate I'm done, I hope I get banned because this site is just FULL of weebs who care way to much about this shit. "mom people don't think the same way as me, let's call them weeb"dude what? But it has provided me with enough entertainment for the past couple of days! Thanks all to anyone who took anything I said seriously as if a wanker like myself should be argued with, you are all too easy to bait, to engage and honestly, with all of my heart i really hope you like pokemon go because it seems like a lot of yall need to go outside Thanks for you effort here, seeing someone dancing in his little world always amusing.quite sad that i'm late to the party. |
| i tend to forget stuff i watched very fast what to talk about analyzing something >.> for me reason to watch anime is escapism and only shows which left their own mark in my memory counted as good. if people wants to stick with details they might not notice big picture which apparently gives most satisfaction and is base of every entertainment. |
| And here I thought this would be a thread about finding meaning in everything that's not even there (like I do lol). I don't mind people finding fault in every and everything actually, but I at least hope they point of what works too. Also, it all depends on what they're watching for/what they value. |
| I don't get it either. Makes me wonder why people watch anime... I'm sure you guys don't do it with movies. |
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| yueah man I h8 wen people think about animu like wtf people should just turn their brain off and stop thinking so hard it's s000 annoying like omg!!! they're jst a bunch of smartasses trying to impress dirty lonely weebs on the internet by analysing my favourite shows and making me realise how bad they're. screw intelligent people! |
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Ryou said: I started trying to analyse shows with movies and later on with anime.I don't get it either. Makes me wonder why people watch anime... I'm sure you guys don't do it with movies. |
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JkayW said: yueah man I h8 wen people think about animu like wtf people should just turn their brain off and stop thinking so hard it's s000 annoying like omg!!! they're jst a bunch of smartasses trying to impress dirty lonely weebs on the internet by analysing my favourite shows and making me realise how bad they're. screw intelligent people! Pls u should go and analyze Masou HxH together with Ardanaz. Thats the stuffz u need m9 |
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Haruka said: I would say the best way to watch a show would be to watch it organically, without considering other's opinions on it and withholding your opinion on it to the end, while trying to enjoy it as best as you can. You can analyze it later or appreciate it for what it is and just leave it there. Couldnt write it any better, so thank you <3 |
Robiiii said: Haruka said: I would say the best way to watch a show would be to watch it organically, without considering other's opinions on it and withholding your opinion on it to the end, while trying to enjoy it as best as you can. You can analyze it later or appreciate it for what it is and just leave it there. Couldnt write it any better, so thank you <3 You're very welcome :) filler text for 30 chara limit |
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ikato_kiyazaki said: where did he state that those people think of themselves as superior?people like those are the ones who think they are SUPERIOR to others. your argument is retarded and invalid. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: It can if they make statements that generalize entire categories/groups of anime with only a single opinion for them.Major123 said: Well I'm not specifying anyone, its just usually those people. People who say there isn't anything good anymore just are lazy and don't put in effort. Still, the number of completed anime does nothing to disprove someone's opinion. |
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JkayW said: yueah man I h8 wen people think about animu like wtf people should just turn their brain off and stop thinking so hard it's s000 annoying like omg!!! they're jst a bunch of smartasses trying to impress dirty lonely weebs on the internet by analysing my favourite shows and making me realise how bad they're. screw intelligent people! Ah yes, those people are very annoying. This guy below will tell you what's up! #IgnoranceIsBliss  |
Nico- said: Ah yes, those people are very annoying. This guy below will tell you what's up! #IgnoranceIsBliss I feel like you have point here, it's just misapplied. It's about criticizing a specific anime(to unreasonable degrees), not anime in a broad sense. |
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ikato_kiyazaki said: i don't even know how braindead a person can get, but this may aswell be the cap.v1talized said: oh u one of those as well? Your comment is retarded as well.where did he state that those people think of themselves as superior? your argument is retarded and invalid. |
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kamisama751 said: Ryou said: I don't get it either. Makes me wonder why people watch anime... I'm sure you guys don't do it with movies. Who does not do that with movies? o_O Everyone who cant be bothered to analyze anything aka...99% of people I mean ofc everyone analyzes movies, ofc ofc |
Nico- said: ashfrliebert said: I feel like you have point here, it's just misapplied. It's about criticizing a specific anime(to unreasonable degrees), not anime in a broad sense. Same shit. The Western anime community as a whole is too irrational to even come up with good criticism anyways. For the most part it really is someone who is all sour grapes/trolling despite what their words indicate. But it's the current year and that's what's in, right? a.k.a. "I don't like it when people point out gaping flaws in the things I like, so I'm just going to tell myself that they're secretly in love with the things I like and are only saying mean, hurtful things about it to get a rise out of me and why do people have to criticize anything and try to make the industry better they should just be happy with boring cash-grab trash!" |
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Robiiii said: JkayW said: yueah man I h8 wen people think about animu like wtf people should just turn their brain off and stop thinking so hard it's s000 annoying like omg!!! they're jst a bunch of smartasses trying to impress dirty lonely weebs on the internet by analysing my favourite shows and making me realise how bad they're. screw intelligent people! Pls u should go and analyze Masou HxH together with Ardanaz. Thats the stuffz u need m9 Now you're just being an elitist douche. I was clearly joking and making fun of you Go fuck yourself |
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JkayW said: Robiiii said: Pls u should go and analyze Masou HxH together with Ardanaz. Thats the stuffz u need m9 Now you're just being an elitist douche. I was clearly joking and making fun of you Go fuck yourself Hahaha i was just messing with you xD Masou HxH is a good show, i gave it a 9 :p |
JkayW said: Now you're just being an elitist douche. I was clearly joking and making fun of you Go fuck yourself Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast! Ryou said: I don't get it either. Makes me wonder why people watch anime... I'm sure you guys don't do it with movies. It happens all the time actually. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/walt_disney.htm On one hand, there is a pretty good chance this is satire. On the other hand, it's satire of real people. Here's maybe a better example http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2011/03/disney-racism-sexism-satanism-and.html |
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Nico- said: ashfrliebert said: I feel like you have point here, it's just misapplied. It's about criticizing a specific anime(to unreasonable degrees), not anime in a broad sense. Same shit. The Western anime community as a whole is too irrational to even come up with good criticism anyways. For the most part it really is someone who is all sour grapes/trolling despite what their words indicate. But it's the current year and that's what's in, right? This. Oh this anime's full of generic characters. It's edgy and contrived. Okay. |
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Major123 said: TheBrainintheJar said: It can if they make statements that generalize entire categories/groups of anime with only a single opinion for them.People who say there isn't anything good anymore just are lazy and don't put in effort. Still, the number of completed anime does nothing to disprove someone's opinion. If someone makes a generalization, ask them to back it up. Going over their list is just silly ad hominem. |
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Nico- said: Same shit. The Western anime community as a whole is too irrational to even come up with good criticism anyways. For the most part it really is someone who is all sour grapes/trolling despite what their words indicate. But it's the current year and that's what's in, right? Eh, seems too generalized. ,_, also not exactly what i was saying but interesting lelsuckers said: You have to be joking. 5/10 is not good because it is a fail mark. Pullman said: do you live in school? why are the school methods of scoring the nonplusultra? Personally I find it stupid to think that schoolwork and art can be rated the same way. In one case you have a clear 100% that can be reached objectively, in the other case you have vague levels of enjoyment being somewhat represented by numericals for a lack of better options. good point from pullman brought up on another totally different thread. |
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| I agree people overanalyze anime. Even if the anime isnt meant to be deep, they will complain is isnt deep. They will nitpick the smallest of things and say the whole anime is shit. If one frame has an off model face, its losing lots of points for animation. I saw people say they will drop qualidea code because in one scene the animation was off model. Despite the rest of the show looking good, they dropped it, or called the animation shit, just because of one second of animation. Some people are rediculous |
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| Lol! All this discussion about if 5/10 is good or bad...The name of the score is AVERAGE for a reason ya know? |
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lelsuckers said: Art doesn't have an "average" it's totally subjective. Would you say a 10/10 is absolutely perfect? No, that's ridiculous. It's not a grade, it's a score that vaguely represents enjoyment.It's NOT AVERAGE that's not how averages work for fuck sake. You are wrong, MAL is wrong pls learn mathematics jal90 said: Again, not a grade. A 1/10 could theoretically have infinite badness while a 10/10 could have infinite goodness, making the "average" 0/10 regardless of what scoring system you use. You can't use objective metrics to apply a grade to art outside of frame rate or audio quality or something, which is a technical aspect rather than an aesthetic one.Actually, one could make the point that 5/10 in MAL is a fail mark, because the rating system is 1-10 instead of 0-10 and therefore 5 falls below the numerical average. Not that I agree but it's not that unreasonable. |
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merryfistmas said: jal90 said: Again, not a grade. A 1/10 could theoretically have infinite badness while a 10/10 could have infinite goodness, making the "average" 0/10 regardless of what scoring system you use. You can't use objective metrics to apply a grade to art.Actually, one could make the point that 5/10 in MAL is a fail mark, because the rating system is 1-10 instead of 0-10 and therefore 5 falls below the numerical average. Not that I agree but it's not that unreasonable. Uhm, not what I am talking about here and honestly I don't know where does your conclusion come from. Objective metrics do exist: 9 is higher than 8, 3 is lower than 6. The numerical average of a series of ten numbers from 1 to 10 is 5.5. And so. What I mean here is that assuming 5/10 is a "fail mark" is not that unreasonable, considering that in several rating systems "below average" means, precisely, "fail mark". Note that I claimed to disagree with this point. And that is because the interpretation of their meaning is free and personal. "Fail mark" is an example of subjective categorization. |
lelsuckers said: How are we supposed to make baseless judgements about each other without numerics?merryfistmas said: wel if art doesn't have an average stop FUCKING using the word average you muppets. If art can't be scored like that drop the numerics altogether because they're fucking meaningless because even the numbers are subjective to everyone so no one can even know what they really think about the series based on their number.Art doesn't have an "average" it's totally subjective. Would you say a 10/10 is absolutely perfect? No, that's ridiculous. It's not a grade, it's a score that vaguely represents enjoyment.Again, not a grade. A 1/10 could theoretically have infinite badness while a 10/10 could have infinite goodness, making the "average" 0/10 regardless of what scoring system you use. You can't use objective metrics to apply a grade to art outside of frame rate or audio quality or something, which is a technical aspect rather than an aesthetic one. You know, you're actually right, and this is probably why we get all these threads about scoring. By "average" I don't mean a numerical average, I use the word because it's what's next to the 5 on MAL. But yeah, everyone interprets it differently, I don't see it as bad because creators are generally designing shows to be enjoyable so that huge clump of shows that ends up in the middle of the bell curve that we call "average" are still positive in my eyes. Kind of like how 7.5/10 in US schools is considered average because the students (theoretically) strive to achieve higher scores, but if you quiz the general population on multiple subjects you get closer to 50%. jal90 said: Makes sense, thank you for clarifying.merryfistmas said: Again, not a grade. A 1/10 could theoretically have infinite badness while a 10/10 could have infinite goodness, making the "average" 0/10 regardless of what scoring system you use. You can't use objective metrics to apply a grade to art. Uhm, not what I am talking about here and honestly I don't know where does your conclusion come from. Objective metrics do exist: 9 is higher than 8, 3 is lower than 6. The numerical average of a series of ten numbers from 1 to 10 is 5.5. And so. What I mean here is that assuming 5/10 is a "fail mark" is not that unreasonable, considering that in several rating systems "below average" means, precisely, "fail mark". Note that I claimed to disagree with this point. And that is because the interpretation of their meaning is free and personal. "Fail mark" is an example of subjective categorization. |
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lelsuckers said: The muppets statement made me laugh, so thanks for that. And I always assume people mean the ubiquitous you rather then the specific one.merryfistmas said: . I'm glad you didn't take offence to my muppets statement because that wasn't directed at you lol hummingbird uses the smiley face metric which is pretty barebones but maybe could be expanded on. I think I saw on another thread they had changed 5 to a meh. But seeing so many people who have watched so many shows and their mean score is 5 just baffles me because that means in my opinion they are spending a lot of times watching shows they are barely enjoying. The numbers don't make any sense and that's probably why a lot of websites nowadays stay away from numerical judgements because they don't really mean anything. I think 5 is a shit score so if I watch something I think is a 5, I drop it. Hence I have no 5s or hinder in my completed list (apart from that rubbish chaos head bullshit) but to some people 5 is apparently okay, rendering the number itself completely meaningless objectivelyHow are we supposed to make baseless judgements about each other without numerics? You know, you're actually right, and this is probably why so many people get bent over scoring and create all these threads about it. By "average" I don't mean a numerical average, I use the word because it's what's next to the 5 on MAL. But yeah, everyone interprets it differently, I don't see it as bad because creators are generally designing shows to be enjoyable so that huge clump of shows that ends up in the middle of the bell curve that we call "average" are still positive in my eyes. Kind of like how 7.5/10 in US schools is considered average because the students (theoretically) strive to achieve higher scores, but if you quiz the general population on multiple subjects you get closer to 50%. It's certainly meaningless objectively, which is why it's important to explain your thoughts on a show in these situations or at least give a general explanation of what the rating means to you. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Well if they only have seen like 10 action shows and say all action shows are bad then that just makes them sound stupid.Major123 said: It can if they make statements that generalize entire categories/groups of anime with only a single opinion for them. If someone makes a generalization, ask them to back it up. Going over their list is just silly ad hominem. |
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