Grisaia no Kajitsu Episode 11 Discussion

L-Ryoshi said:
Knowing how the story ends great and all, but I'm wondering if they'll adapt the good end or the bad end for this XD

chickenalfredo said:
It's been 11 days! Search and rescue should have found them by at MOST 2 days in real life. When the people that are expecting an entire class, do not show up, its obvious that the class has been in an accident. The tire popping, along with the brakes that were applied, should have left obvious marks into the dirt road indicating that a large vehicle careened off the edge. If I were in charge of search and rescue, I could have easily found this class on the first day, if I had been contacted about missing students.

Ketuekigami said:

They took an detour to save time, and they are on a very rural road. There is no one that would know the route they drove and not many people, if any, would use that road. And the tire was still attached so all they would have to go by are miscellaneous skid marks (maybe). In hundreds of miles between their start and destination that isn't just an obvious find.

And missing persons reports can't be filed until 24 hours after they have gone missing, so I'm pretty sure someone wouldn't be able to find them on the first day. Calm down mister search&rescue expert.

chickenalfredo said:
It's been 11 days! Search and rescue should have found them by at MOST 2 days in real life. When the people that are expecting an entire class, do not show up, its obvious that the class has been in an accident. The tire popping, along with the brakes that were applied, should have left obvious marks into the dirt road indicating that a large vehicle careened off the edge. If I were in charge of search and rescue, I could have easily found this class on the first day, if I had been contacted about missing students.

Something like this would also show up on the news, about missing students. Kids that go missing show up on the news, so definitely for an entire class.

Gotta love how unrealistic an anime can be...

dmasterxd said:


It's not a whole class. It's a basketball team with like eleven girls...

chickenalfredo said:

Ketuekigami said:

I don't believe you can just take an inferred camera to hundreds of acres of forest and expect to filter out what your not looking for immediately. And again, no one knew they took that route. And lastly, the VN came out in 2011 so consider these events happening around 2004-2005. Even now I don't know if a rural town in Japan has that kind of equipment, so 5-6 years ago I'm even less sure.

My main point is, the story is very possible for many different reasons. All that needs to be the case is one of hundreds of scenarios where they can't find this group. The equipment is broken, the police are incompetent, their department is heavily underfunded, etc. etc.

Ketuekigami said:

I don't believe you can just take an inferred camera to hundreds of acres of forest and expect to filter out what your not looking for immediately. And again, no one knew they took that route. And lastly, the VN came out in 2011 so consider these events happening around 2004-2005. Even now I don't know if a rural town in Japan has that kind of equipment, so 5-6 years ago I'm even less sure.

My main point is, the story is very possible for many different reasons. All that needs to be the case is one of hundreds of scenarios where they can't find this group. The equipment is broken, the police are incompetent, their department is heavily underfunded, etc. etc.

ijuka said:


Sorry if this is inaccurate but that's how it was I believe.

riku_zero said:


dude, VN spoiler

guys.., the arc hasn't even finished yet.. seriously..

there's an explanation as to why the SAR team didn't manage to find them at the end of the arc later..
or at least in the VN... although not mentioning this reason is stupid so yeah it'll probably gonna get explained in the anime too..

whether or not the reason will satisfy "your logic" is probably a different matter..

if anything, I think the writer had already done a great job seeing how some of you actually got immersed in the situation or condition

also this arc isn't even about "what happens next?", but it's more of a "how did it happen?" kind of thing...

AnimeHonor said:
in only they had made a fire like normal people would do..

EtherSword said:
Can't really take this episode seriously. Unrealistic scenario. So I guess anytime you swerve off a little cliff with a bus anywhere in a country road you are doomed?

Ketuekigami said:
In a dense forest with no see-able escape route? I mean if you want to just suffocate to death I guess that's the best course of action.

It's not unrealistic. Unlikely maybe, but it definitely has a chance of happening. Not 'anytime', but at least this time.

I swear, the idea of suspension of disbelief is lost unless an anime is fantasy based.

chickenalfredo said:


You start a fire to use a distress signal (the smoke). In the anime, there was enough of a clearing where they were standing for smoke to be used as a signal. This is why they tried to wave and honk desperately at the helicopter when it came by. Had they started the fire sooner, their lives would have been saved. They could have thrown in a tire from the bus to get a really blackened smoke fire that would most definitely have alerted the passing helicopter. Trust me, look back at the anime, there is enough of a clearing.

In this day and age, SAR is pretty competant. If we look at SAR statistics from the USGS, back in 2004, only about 685 out of 7215 lives were lost. That's an 91% chance of survival without even looking at the circumstances. These are 2004 numbers in the United States where you have much larger areas than Japan. Please take this into consideration.

supersonicstrut said:


they explain in the vn that the helicopter was there for only 30 seconds. probably not enough time to start a fire, and furthermore the only one who doesn't have an ass for brains kazuki was in the forest at the time, so she wouldn't have had time to run into the clearing and light a fire.

EtherSword said:
I just don't get why they waited for more of a week for rescue. They are not on a deserted island or lost somewhere in icy mountains. I've seen documentaries of people lost in the desert and survived but guess what? They are only down in a forest where they have a cliff leading the way of wear people live on that paved road there. There is food in the forest too and it rained lots of times which equals fresh water.

There is just so many questions to be asked why is this situation so dire when it shouldn't be. I highly doubt investigators would't think of maybe they took a detour? This story could have been illustrated better so say the least. One thing we learned from this and in anime in general. STAY AWAY FROM ROADS WITH CLIFFS. That possible chance of crashing down there is too risky and hope of rescue is too unlikely despite everything lol.

Thai777 said:
From what I remember they said in the VN that the forest humidity was high so making smoke was kind of hard, also there were lot, I mean LOTS of vegetation so the light had difficulties going past the trees making it even harder for smoke to leek out.. Well that what Ì remember from the VN.

chickenalfredo said:

You can have all the humidity in the world as long as your not submerged in water, you can easily start a fire with gasoline. Wet wood would eventually dry out from the gasoline started fire (I've had to start fires with soggy wood before, but I had lighter fluid). We aren't in the VN, were in the anime, and it was clear there was a good opening. Did you want me to take a screenshot from the episode?

The bus had to have had at least a dozen gallons of fuel still for the return trip.

purufeido said:
this episode remind me about Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 accident

DeadIEnd said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alive_(1993_film)
Palgarized from this movie. I still need to watch it (Been wanting to watch it for ages)

You're quite the knowledgeable one.

Funny many people think the plot is unrealistic when it's actually plagiarized from a movie that is based on a real story.. hehe

DeadIEnd said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alive_(1993_film)
Palgarized from this movie. I still need to watch it (Been wanting to watch it for ages)

You're quite the knowledgeable one.

Funny many people think the plot is unrealistic when it's actually plagiarized from a movie that is based on a real story.. hehe

chickenalfredo said:


We're talking about an accident that happened in 1972, when technologies crucial to SAR like infared cameras were almost non-existent or in its infancy. We're now talking about 2014, when this anime is taking place where SAR technologies are highly advanced to where it makes huge differences as to whether or not lived are saved. I'd argue that a lot more than 12 survivors would have survived the 1972 Andes flight accident with today's technologies. In fact, I don't think the accident would have ever occurred with today's technologies.

The only reason the international Malaysian flight got into an "accident" was because it was shot down by Russian rebels.

Ketuekigami said:

No we are talking about around 2005(ish), dude this happened When Amane was in middle school, and the VN came out in 2011. You need to calm down with your tech boner lol

derprume said:
Kazuki remaining calm as usual. I would probably light the forest on fire at this point to get attention, unless Japan doesn't put out forest fires .-.

eXtacy67 said:
I find it hard to believe that in modern japan you could not just walk in any direction for 25km and not find a road. Also that rescue services would not of found them. I know i should not bring logic into this but still