| With comics with have manhua and manhwa, but with cartoons it's all called anime regardless of which East Asian country it came from. Both countries have their own name for animation, dònghuà and saeng-gi respectively, although I got these from Google translate so we might need better ones. One problem is the difference between the manga and anime databases. In the manga database "type" is used for how the information is displayed so putting manhua and manhwa in this category makes sense, but for anime "type" refers to how the anime was originally aired. However, we could say that "in China" and "in South Korea" are valid ways of an anime airing bypassing that problem. Whatever field it's in I don't believe Chinese and Korean animations should be classified as anime even if they do still belong in the database for consistency with the manga database. |
KinetaJan 29, 2018 2:05 PM
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| Korean animation here? I thought It's only Chinese and Japanese? I never seen it here. Well yeah, this can be considered since it 's only few But if this needs to modify the codes/design of the anime pages, that's gonna be a problem. |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
| you should really search the meaning of anime on google an anime is an animation with same artstyle of the Japanese cartoon that has some deep shit or some plot |
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| I agree. It would make differentiating between them easier. |
| good idea you can filter out chinese animations easily by this way. |
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| According to wiki, the term should be donghua for Chinese animation and aeni for Korean. We already have manhwa and manhua categories for manga types to fit, so anime should get there own. |
| I support this. I just really like the idea of this database getting some more tags so I can actually search through it easier. |
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| Animhue and animhwe |
Subpyro said: Animhue and animhwe Lmaooooo 😂😂 OT, I could get behind this. It would make searching for em easier as someone has already pointed out, besides manga's already got its own variant, so might as well. |
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| Just remove them. |
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| This is an anime community, not cartoons of other countries. Some Chinese cartoons appear in this website because they were produced by Japan. |
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| I mean, we already have manhwa and manhua, so it'd make perfect sense to do the same for animated series. I tried to search for some Chinese/Korean stuff in the past and had no idea how to do it. Subpyro said: Animhue and animhwe XD |
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| I am glad more Chinese companies are getting into anime adopting Japanese style and what not. And I would love to add them to my list and find new ones. Thankfully you guys gave us the option to put Chinese anime on our list but its hard to find more. I mean if we go through studios which the show was created by then we can find a catalog but atm there is like I guess 3 major Chinese studios. They will be more no doubt about it. To help bring attention to them and honestly just to help me specifically find "Chinese" anime I would like a tag of sorts. It won't be too hard to implement it can be in the genre category for now but maybe in the future have "country of origin" and be Chinese or Japanese. I am not advocating for western anime on the database just the Chinese ones that obv follow the guidelines. |
| For "Country of origin" there are actually five options: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea, and North Korea. Okinawa is also sort of its own place so animations from there might also need to be separated. I'm all for it (I've actually made a similar thread before which was never implemented, wtf mods?). |
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| Then they might as well add Western 'anime' as well. |
WannabeItachi said: How did you get to that? There already are Chinese anime in the database while they never will put Western animations in the database.Then they might as well add Western 'anime' as well. |
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 I agree! It would be nice to have a tag for Korea as well, or at least include countries in the search filter options. |
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| This is a good idea! A tag or way to search specifically for chinese anime in the advanced search would be great. |
| That's not a genre. But I feel like there should definitely be a category of this somewhere on the site. zombie_pegasus said: For "Country of origin" there are actually five options: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea, and North Korea. Okinawa is also sort of its own place so animations from there might also need to be separated. I'm all for it (I've actually made a similar thread before which was never implemented, wtf mods?). The mods don't seem to look at this board lol Mod Edit: Merged double posts. |
KinetaJan 29, 2018 1:36 PM
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zombie_pegasus said: I always found that a bit hypocritical. This is understandably not an all animation site, but then including Chinese stuff while excluding western, but obviously anime-influenced stuff. I don't care about Chinese stuff either. I haven't seen any that worth my time. All of them felt like some cheap anime knockoffs.How did you get to that? There already are Chinese anime in the database while they never will put Western animations in the database. |
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Heldengeist said: The reason is because they already have manhua and manhwa in the database so they felt the need to include their animated counterparts as well to keep things "consistent". Really they should be called donghua and aeni respectively, but if American cartoons were added they would just be called "cartoons". It's not really a double standard since China and Korea are much more similarly culturally to Japan than most Western countries are (although France and Italy actually do have some similarities to Japan, adding animations from those countries would make things even more confusing. French animations are actually called anime in France, too).zombie_pegasus said: I always found that a bit hypocritical. This is understandably not an all animation site, but then including Chinese stuff while excluding western, but obviously anime-influenced stuff. I don't care about Chinese stuff either. I haven't seen any that worth my time. All of them felt like some cheap anime knockoffs.How did you get to that? There already are Chinese anime in the database while they never will put Western animations in the database. |
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zombie_pegasus said: For "Country of origin" there are actually five options: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea, and North Korea. Okinawa is also sort of its own place so animations from there might also need to be separated. I'm all for it (I've actually made a similar thread before which was never implemented, wtf mods?). ....................wait, what? |
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| yeah we definitely need country of origin tags or genres. Grey-Zone said: zombie_pegasus said: For "Country of origin" there are actually five options: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea, and North Korea. Okinawa is also sort of its own place so animations from there might also need to be separated. I'm all for it (I've actually made a similar thread before which was never implemented, wtf mods?). ....................wait, what? north korea has made some propaganda anime. https://myanimelist.net/anime/18007/Dalam-iwa_Goseumdochi |
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Cnon said: yeah we definitely need country of origin tags or genres. north korea has made some propaganda anime. https://myanimelist.net/anime/18007/Dalam-iwa_Goseumdochi i'm so dead |
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zombie_pegasus said: Heldengeist said: The reason is because they already have manhua and manhwa in the database so they felt the need to include their animated counterparts as well to keep things "consistent". Really they should be called donghua and aeni respectively, but if American cartoons were added they would just be called "cartoons". It's not really a double standard since China and Korea are much more similarly culturally to Japan than most Western countries are (although France and Italy actually do have some similarities to Japan, adding animations from those countries would make things even more confusing. French animations are actually called anime in France, too).I always found that a bit hypocritical. This is understandably not an all animation site, but then including Chinese stuff while excluding western, but obviously anime-influenced stuff. I don't care about Chinese stuff either. I haven't seen any that worth my time. All of them felt like some cheap anime knockoffs. 1) If it’s not from Japan, it isn’t anime. so if they’re allowing non-anime that’s “close enough” there’s no good reason western inspired anime can’t be on the site 2) Chinese animation never looked like anime until pretty recently, look at their stuff from the 80s, its completely distinctive. They copied anime, and nobody cares, because China is ethnically close to Japan, and for some reason everyone is okay defining anime ethnically 3) China and Japan aren’t very culturally similar post WW2 when anime started. |
Smpavement said: Well, they have manhua and manhwa on the database and so they felt like they needed to add their animated counterparts to make things balanced. The difference is that manhua and manhwa have their own types on the manga database while donghua (Chinese cartoons) and aeni (Korean cartoons) are just grouped in with anime as if there isn't a difference. It's fine having them in the database, they just shouldn't be called anime. Obviously we aren't going to have a separate section for cartoons of every country, but these three all share a lot of common cultural things so it makes sense that they would be the ones in here.zombie_pegasus said: The reason is because they already have manhua and manhwa in the database so they felt the need to include their animated counterparts as well to keep things "consistent". Really they should be called donghua and aeni respectively, but if American cartoons were added they would just be called "cartoons". It's not really a double standard since China and Korea are much more similarly culturally to Japan than most Western countries are (although France and Italy actually do have some similarities to Japan, adding animations from those countries would make things even more confusing. French animations are actually called anime in France, too). 1) If it’s not from Japan, it isn’t anime. so if they’re allowing non-anime that’s “close enough” there’s no good reason western inspired anime can’t be on the site 2) Chinese animation never looked like anime until pretty recently, look at their stuff from the 80s, its completely distinctive. They copied anime, and nobody cares, because China is ethnically close to Japan, and for some reason everyone is okay defining anime ethnically 3) China and Japan aren’t very culturally similar post WW2 when anime started. I'm not the one who added them here, but I can understand why they did. Let's just hope they don't keep pretending that they're anime. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Smpavement said: Well, they have manhua and manhwa on the database and so they felt like they needed to add their animated counterparts to make things balanced. The difference is that manhua and manhwa have their own types on the manga database while donghua (Chinese cartoons) and aeni (Korean cartoons) are just grouped in with anime as if there isn't a difference. It's fine having them in the database, they just shouldn't be called anime. Obviously we aren't going to have a separate section for cartoons of every country, but these three all share a lot of common cultural things so it makes sense that they would be the ones in here.1) If it’s not from Japan, it isn’t anime. so if they’re allowing non-anime that’s “close enough” there’s no good reason western inspired anime can’t be on the site 2) Chinese animation never looked like anime until pretty recently, look at their stuff from the 80s, its completely distinctive. They copied anime, and nobody cares, because China is ethnically close to Japan, and for some reason everyone is okay defining anime ethnically 3) China and Japan aren’t very culturally similar post WW2 when anime started. I'm not the one who added them here, but I can understand why they did. Let's just hope they don't keep pretending that they're anime. I find it ironic that even though MAL firmly asserts that anime is not a style, but a denotion of geographic origin, there’s a tacit understanding of “anime style” as evidenced by the OP. And no one here cared about donghua until the 2010s when China started copying anime in this stylistic sense. And the only reason they’re lumped together on a Japanese site is due to low key orientalism |
| I would love this. I'd like to diversify my anime watching with more Korean, Chinese, or other countries' anime. It's a bit hard to find them. |
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Smpavement said: Orientalism still is important, though. Everything relates back to its place of origin. Pizza comes from Italy and the pizza that Americans make is very different from Italian pizza even though it's based on the same idea.zombie_pegasus said: Well, they have manhua and manhwa on the database and so they felt like they needed to add their animated counterparts to make things balanced. The difference is that manhua and manhwa have their own types on the manga database while donghua (Chinese cartoons) and aeni (Korean cartoons) are just grouped in with anime as if there isn't a difference. It's fine having them in the database, they just shouldn't be called anime. Obviously we aren't going to have a separate section for cartoons of every country, but these three all share a lot of common cultural things so it makes sense that they would be the ones in here. I'm not the one who added them here, but I can understand why they did. Let's just hope they don't keep pretending that they're anime. I find it ironic that even though MAL firmly asserts that anime is not a style, but a denotion of geographic origin, there’s a tacit understanding of “anime style” as evidenced by the OP. And no one here cared about donghua until the 2010s when China started copying anime in this stylistic sense. And the only reason they’re lumped together on a Japanese site is due to low key orientalism Generally you can tell where something was made by consuming it. Anime is the Japanese style of animation and American animations, even ones like Avatar and RWBY, fit into the American style and you can tell are made by Americans. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Smpavement said: Orientalism still is important, though. Everything relates back to its place of origin. Pizza comes from Italy and the pizza that Americans make is very different from Italian pizza even though it's based on the same idea.I find it ironic that even though MAL firmly asserts that anime is not a style, but a denotion of geographic origin, there’s a tacit understanding of “anime style” as evidenced by the OP. And no one here cared about donghua until the 2010s when China started copying anime in this stylistic sense. And the only reason they’re lumped together on a Japanese site is due to low key orientalism Generally you can tell where something was made by consuming it. Anime is the Japanese style of animation and American animations, even ones like Avatar and RWBY, fit into the American style and you can tell are made by Americans. The aspect of orientalism I was referring to (which isn’t a good thing) is how people tend to lump Asian countries together and assume they are the same. The anime art style is indiginous to Japan, and had nothing to do with Chinese influence. Despite this, China has very recently fully adopted this style in the last few years, and there’s a distinct sense that MAL is cool with this because they are ethnically Asian. I also expect that the term donghua will not be popular and 99% of the community will simply refer to them as Chinese Anime, and in 3-5 years once a few hundred shows (And more importantly a few critically acclaimed and popular ones) come out, no one will even care about the distinction anymore |
Smpavement said: Ah, good point. Donghua does have a distinct style, but it does seem to be migrating towards the style of anime.zombie_pegasus said: Orientalism still is important, though. Everything relates back to its place of origin. Pizza comes from Italy and the pizza that Americans make is very different from Italian pizza even though it's based on the same idea. Generally you can tell where something was made by consuming it. Anime is the Japanese style of animation and American animations, even ones like Avatar and RWBY, fit into the American style and you can tell are made by Americans. The aspect of orientalism I was referring to (which isn’t a good thing) is how people tend to lump Asian countries together and assume they are the same. The anime art style is indiginous to Japan, and had nothing to do with Chinese influence. Despite this, China has very recently fully adopted this style in the last few years, and there’s a distinct sense that MAL is cool with this because they are ethnically Asian. I also expect that the term donghua will not be popular and 99% of the community will simply refer to them as Chinese Anime, and in 3-5 years once a few hundred shows (And more importantly a few critically acclaimed and popular ones) come out, no one will even care about the distinction anymore |
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| Japan is the true creator of anime.Japan has been making anime for far longer time than China did,they're just a copycat who are trying to copy from Japan so they can fill their 1B asses.Nothing less,nothing more.Chinese animators make the character's and environment movement look so dull and badly animated (also somewhat not fluid like japanese anime) |
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| So wouldn't it be easiest to just make a Non-Japanese tag, & attach it to anything not made by a Japanese Studio OR collaborated on with a non-Japanese studio? Not for in-betweening, or minor functions, obviously, but actual collabs, where multiple studios are listed in the opening credits. |
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| I have another thread on this, but wanted to add my two cents here. I support regional tags, and 110% support inclusion of all Anime.......REGARDLESS of where they are made. Just tag 'em "not japan" and be done with it. Example....Netflix Castlevania series...is an anime. It even has a fully dubbed Japanese version, professionally done with legit voice actors...it should be listed here. |
| I think there should be tags for country of origin. I have been trying to find a new Korean show on the db that I randomly got as an ad on YouTube. It's called "a day before us" and I can't find any info about it anywhere save for the YouTube page. In case anyone wants a reference of what I'm talking about this is the show https://youtu.be/a39rESKRh8k Having that country filter would make my searching easier to do. |
| Merged two similar threads on this topic. As some have suggested, the hope of the DB staff is to eventually have a "Country of Origin" field, yes. The Manhwa and Manhua types are actually restrictive on the Manga side. For example, what do you do with a Korean one-shot? Label it is One-Shot or Manhwa? (Disclaimer: Mods don't decide what gets coded when.) |
| I mean: Korean anime = Aeni Chinese anime = Dong Hua But I don't understand the point of segregating them. Manhwa and Manhua are still included on the site, why shouldn't Aeni and Dong Hua be included? How very Trump of this topic. |
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J_LEE_C said: its not segregating them at all its acknowledging them. because they are so scarce its hard to find specific Chinese anime throughout the years. I mean: Korean anime = Aeni Chinese anime = Dong Hua But I don't understand the point of segregating them. Manhwa and Manhua are still included on the site, why shouldn't Aeni and Dong Hua be included? How very Trump of this topic. u took a negative approach because of your own projection...ppl want this as a positive |
J_LEE_C said: Have you heard of the "melting pot"? It basically means "conform or get out". It's not a healthy way of thinking. Everyone has something unique to offer and shouldn't be clumped in as all the same thing.I mean: Korean anime = Aeni Chinese anime = Dong Hua But I don't understand the point of segregating them. Manhwa and Manhua are still included on the site, why shouldn't Aeni and Dong Hua be included? How very Trump of this topic. Chinese and Korean animations are hard to find on the site so it would be really useful if we just had a distinction of where an animation came from so we could search for them or at least know what we're getting into rather than then all being treated as if there was nothing different about them. |
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zombie_pegasus said: J_LEE_C said: Have you heard of the "melting pot"? It basically means "conform or get out". It's not a healthy way of thinking. Everyone has something unique to offer and shouldn't be clumped in as all the same thing.I mean: Korean anime = Aeni Chinese anime = Dong Hua But I don't understand the point of segregating them. Manhwa and Manhua are still included on the site, why shouldn't Aeni and Dong Hua be included? How very Trump of this topic. Chinese and Korean animations are hard to find on the site so it would be really useful if we just had a distinction of where an animation came from so we could search for them or at least know what we're getting into rather than then all being treated as if there was nothing different about them. Ah, I see. Just skimming through some of the above I read it like people were saying they should be banned from being on MAL. My mistake. When I thought that I didn't understand why people would want them banned or not allowed on the site. My bad. |
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moodie said: J_LEE_C said: its not segregating them at all its acknowledging them. because they are so scarce its hard to find specific Chinese anime throughout the years. I mean: Korean anime = Aeni Chinese anime = Dong Hua But I don't understand the point of segregating them. Manhwa and Manhua are still included on the site, why shouldn't Aeni and Dong Hua be included? How very Trump of this topic. u took a negative approach because of your own projection...ppl want this as a positive Ah, I see. Just skimming through some of the above I read it like people were saying they should be banned from being on MAL. My mistake. When I thought that I didn't understand why people would want them banned or not allowed on the site. My bad. |
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Rayzer said: Korean animation here? I thought It's only Chinese and Japanese? I never seen it here. Well yeah, this can be considered since it 's only few But if this needs to modify the codes/design of the anime pages, that's gonna be a problem. Elsword El-Yuein is the first Korean aeni that came to mind off the top of my head that I've seen, in case you wanna check one out. |
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| Filter or setting for hiding various stuff would be beautiful. I seriously don't care about any other anime/manga that ain't in Japanese. So yeah, a feature to hide Korean and Chinese etc.. would be beautiful. |
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| I just support this suggestion with this post |
| IIRC when I was a mod there was already talk about this so I think it should be coming at some point. But not just as a tag, but rather an additional field, maybe below 'Source', that tells you the country of origin. This should be coming eventually, but I also think it's not a high priority, especially now after that Dena debacle that are the last 3 months. This needs some programming to be implemented and hence the mods can't really do shit, it's all up to DeNa. Try suggesting it to their customer service. I think spamming that is the only way to get through to them. |
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