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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Looks like this is the final case of this series. Moriarty is also beginning to put his ultimate plan in motion after the Criminal Lord's statement in public. Seems they're setting up well for the series' finale and I felt thrill of this episode. |
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| The plan needs William's death at the end, and of course the other ones secretly don't want him to die, Sherlock's situation is better and it's nice to see that he agrees on helping them save William, now I wonder what will happen between them with William and Sherlock together at the end, but it's sure gonna be very interesting |
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| YES THE FINAL CASE: The Final Problem! This is a pretty long arc. If Sherlock's an action-class murderer, Liam's the hidden murderer. The Moriarty plan has to go on, regardless of how circumstances are borne from it. Sherlock bearing the blame for Milverton's murder, but the perfect situational murder didn't end exactly the way it was supposed to. John, more than being vindicated, gets all pissed off at his detective partner. But eventually, he apologies to John for all the trouble he got. Liam has started his Moriarty Plan sortie (that'll eventually lead to his death), and there is no turning back from the massacre of the aristocrats. His older brother Albert bearing the brunt in the Parliament House while the citizens rampage...ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU, and acting alone. Not even Liam's brothers nor Fred can stop him anymore, this man knows no justice, he IS the Devil's Incarnate of Justice. Sherlock's extensive history of Liam in question from the very beginning of the series to now, Liam's the Robin Hood that Sherlock must catch. Even Mycroft receiving the Queen's orders to summon his younger brother, the British colony wil be finished if no action is made. The telegram sent from Louis and Fred to require Sherlock's help to save Liam, he already knows it fully well as a friend. The story at 221B Baker Street, will Sherlock be able to finish this red scarlet string of fate against Liam? Really stoked for the finale next week. |
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| As the final act proceeds in the story, the plot seems to go in a way where Sherlock didn't imagine it to go. William's brain is pulling out the plans that he might have been thinking about from the very start. William has finally revealed himself as the Lord of Crimes in the newspaper to the world and the whole upper class seems to be raging in this matter and wants the answers from the Moriarty's. As William keeps killing the upperclassmen, he's challenging the authority to stop him as for now Sherlock has been put in charge of this case by Her Majesty. Louis and Fred went ahead and asked Sherlock for help in order to save William but surprised to see that Sherlock has already planned to save him, as his friend. Crazy to think that Sherlock is thinking about the whole situation through William's head which made him understand all of this. Next week is gonna be really interesting. |
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| Can someone answer Q1. Is it's manga finished? Q2. Is anime skipping some chapters? Q3. Will manga br fully adapted as only 1 episode is left and this act is quite big as I heard so how will they complete this... |
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| William is going into this final plan completely ready to die, but no one else wants that. Louis and Fred even went as far as contacting Sherlock to ask him to save Liam. I wonder if Sherlock will be able to succeed.... This episode set up next week's finale well, and I'm excited to see how this all ends. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| The next episode is going to be interesting. William putting his final plan into motion with Fred and Louis intervening to prevent William from dying. Wow, this episode was great, I can't wait to see what happens next with Sherlock and Liam, I wonder what his 'final plan' is going to be. |
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Tbxbbh04 said: Arthagrawal said: Can someone answer Q1. Is it's manga finished? Q2. Is anime skipping some chapters? Q3. Will manga br fully adapted as only 1 episode is left and this act is quite big as I heard so how will they complete this... Q1. The manga is still ongoing. Q2. Yes, the anime skipped quite a bit of chapters. If you're enjoying the anime, I strongly encourage you to read the manga. A lot of character development and some side stories were cut out. Q3. Next episode will be the end of the Final Problem Act. The manga is on the last arc right now, The Adventure of the Empty Hearts. Thanks for the answers.. |
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| There probably can't be many more chapters in the manga after this arc - will be much harder to act for William now that he is openly known as the crime lord. (Unless they construct some hard to believe twist where he gets to live in his villa as a innocent person again lol.) Liked this episode cause I like the stuff where he and Holmes are meeting. Maybe the anime even makes an original end. For now it seems like this will finish at a satisfying point where a sequel would not be needed. (Probably would take years if they decided to make more though. That is how it usually is. Waiting for more source. And getting the fans hyped again by having them wait so they are desperate and hungy for more lol.) |
| And ofc.. For the plan of Lord of Crime to come to fruition.. The Lord must die.. taking down the whole system of Privileged with him.. . and ofc, yer companion don't want you to die.. so they contacted Sherly.. a betrayal but a sacrifice.. . Looks like this will be a summarized Arc.. |
| The escalation of things has felt a bit too fast the last bit of this season. With Milverton dying what seemed like so soon in the story to now the "final" act. I guess it is not surprising that they have skipped a lot of chapters. Seems this is not even the final arc but I assume there is only one other. I'd bet the anime will take a somewhat original route to wrap this up now if that's the case. A little disappointing as I feel there was a lot more potential to be had with such a large cast of characters. Yet so few of them were really developed. |
| Oh, this will be the last season I guess. I was not expecting for things to end this soon. Honestly, this season has been kind of a mess structurally so I’m hoping that the final episode pulls it all together. |
| I don't know what makes me sadder; seeing Louis and Fred so desperate to save James Liam or the fact that there's only one more episode left. |
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| wonder if william took into consideration that his allies would betray him(to save him ofc). if he did would he just kill himself? would they persuade him? next episode will be really interesting hope they end this well |
| I have a strong feeling that even if everyone tries and actually succeeds in saving William, he might just kill himself. This was one hell of an emotionally heavy episode. Sherlock will probably save him by imprisoning him and serving justice, I wonder if the queen is aware of William's plan though. However, I still don't understand why Sherlock would go as far as killing Milverton who was a dead man the moment he decided to jump off that cliff. Why did Sherlock feel the need to be on an equal footing as William? I wonder.. I hope the last episode doesn't end on a cliffhanger or I'll lose my mind. I also hope there will be enough source material to make a last season. |
| I sometimes forget to finish my sentences. |
| Wait we are suddenly at the endgame? Honestly I didn't expect it to conclude within this season but oh well. Pretty good build up for the finale, I wonder if Sherlock will be able to save Moriarty. |
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| William has started the scheme that he was planning all along. It seems that this series is reaching its peak. |
ProofByColor said: The escalation of things has felt a bit too fast the last bit of this season. With Milverton dying what seemed like so soon in the story to now the "final" act. I guess it is not surprising that they have skipped a lot of chapters. Seems this is not even the final arc but I assume there is only one other. I'd bet the anime will take a somewhat original route to wrap this up now if that's the case. A little disappointing as I feel there was a lot more potential to be had with such a large cast of characters. Yet so few of them were really developed. I agree... This seemed to rushed. |
| Sick William. After encountering the sadist Sherlock before, he also done the same route, eh? Never expect this final problem act can be that drastically changed everything. I can't help but laughing with Sherlock status before, tho. Perfect crime with no evidence ever found. Lol. How convenient. The same with William case here. Well, its not like i dislike this kind of event. Its just, uh, way out of expectations honestly. But, anyway, let them role for whatever the end situations they arrange neatly on the William's plan. Can William be the real patriot for the country, or, there's some twist like Irene case before? Ngl, this is way more underwhelming than the first cour with how fast its concluded. But, still, i really looking forward to see the finale, no matter what .... |
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| That after credits scene.......omg any longer Sherly & William are in the same room I’m going to fucking explode. Glad to see more of Moran this episode. I don’t want this to end!!!!!!! |
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| They could have easily spread Moriarty to 3 seasons instead of rushing it in 2, but this was still a great episode. We are at the final problem now, with what happened with Milverton, Moriarty is now forced to move up his plan and improvise, that's probably why he suddenly shifted gears and just straight up massacred the aristocrats. I wonder if Sherlock can really save Moriarty while still making Moriarty's plan a success. I hope they at least do an OVA or something for The Adventure of the Empty Hearts. Looking forward to the last episode. |
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| I think it's fair to say that this episode provides a glimpse into how good this second season could have been if the narrative was more focused on the dichotomy between Sherlock and Moriarty. As it is, the Moriarty group haven't had enough screentime this season for a lot of their feelings about William's impending death to feel justified: we haven't seen that rapport built with the likes of Fred to make his investment in William's life feel earned, for example. Furthermore, this is one of a very small few times we've seen Sherlock actually deduce something, and it's over so quickly despite such moments of deduction being one of the primary appeals of Sherlock stories. Had this second season focused more on Sherlock's efforts to find the truth and fleshing out the Moriartys, rather than jumping the shark with James Bonde and Dark Knight rip-offs, it could have been just as good if not better than the first season. Instead, we have a lot of wasted potential. |
| damn! a totally refined episode! the dynamics of these two is beyond astounding! let us see the finale conclusion of this show 1 more ep remaining! 5/5. |
matias067Jun 22, 2021 1:44 AM
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Arthagrawal said: Can someone answer Q1. Is it's manga finished? Q2. Is anime skipping some chapters? Q3. Will manga br fully adapted as only 1 episode is left and this act is quite big as I heard so how will they complete this... The adaptation has been faithful so far (they may have skipped some filler chaps or so but nothing that ruins the plot) and the manga is almost done so i guess there wont be a season 3 ... episode 13 will prolly be the last part of the Final problem arc which I think is a pretty good closure for the series |
| Wait so is this the end of the anime then? I assume it is because the Final Problem is when Moriarty dies (or something to that effect in this adaptation) but the manga is still ongoing... so does that mean the anime is completely different to the manga? With Sherlock having figured out all the piece of the Moriartys' puzzle, he's resolved to save William and I found it quite touching that he said he wants to save William as his friend; despite having such a contrasting outlook on life, no one will ever understand Moriarty as Sherlock does and vise versa. It's yet another fantastic twist on the original Moriarty-Holmes dynamic. |
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| This is gonna be insane ending for sure. I wouldn't mind a death for greater finale. both way wishing for the best. |
| Just as I said earlier, but I spoilered it because I was waiting for this moment. The lyrics of the second opening are about Sherlock to Liam as a person (beyond his self-proclaimed role), while the first Opening is about Liam toward his role as the Lord of Crime Moriarty. If you gloss over the general message, the first OP is about committing crimes to catch criminals, and to offer one self as scapegoat to liberate their soul through death. The second OP is about someone who cares dearly for another person (and thinks those feelings are one-sided) and tries to 'catch' them and to set them free by trying to make them live. The actual "rivalry" between them is between a man who thinks only death is his salvation and another man who wants to save his life. If you pay attention to the two opening songs, you've found clues about this development (and Sherlock trying to save Irene is a mini-arc to foreshadow his Arc with Moriarty). This isn't the typical two rivals clash because of the antagonism (that's why I corrected the ones who saw them as Light and L, not at all), who seek to destroy or outsmart the other to damage them. But two geniuses who truly like each other but one pushes the other into a role to facilitate his social suicide while the other struggles against this job he handed him. @ProofByColor: Yes, they did rush it and cut arcs, not just now but between course. dokidoki_bean said: Wait so is this the end of the anime then? I assume it is because the Final Problem is when Moriarty dies (or something to that effect in this adaptation) but the manga is still ongoing... so does that mean the anime is completely different to the manga? If you know Sherlock Holmes "lore", you know that after the Final Problem, there's a timeskip. The same applies to the manga. Below is the coloredcover for the last chapter of the "Final Problem" arc: |
ThessJun 24, 2021 12:47 PM
Thess said: Just as I said earlier, but I spoilered it because I was waiting for this moment. The lyrics of the second opening are about Sherlock to Liam as a person (beyond his self-proclaimed role), while the first Opening is about Liam toward his role as the Lord of Crime Moriarty. If you gloss over the general message, the first OP is about committing crimes to catch criminals, and to offer one self as scapegoat to liberate their soul through death. The second OP is about someone who cares dearly for another person (and thinks those feelings are one-sided) and tries to 'catch' them and to set them free by trying to make them live. The actual "rivalry" between them is between a man who thinks only death is his salvation and another man who wants to save his life. If you pay attention to the two opening songs, you've found clues about this development (and Sherlock trying to save Irene is a mini-arc to foreshadow his Arc with Moriarty). This isn't the typical two rivals clash because of the antagonism (that's why I corrected the ones who saw them as Light and L, not at all), who seek to destroy or outsmart the other to damage them. But two geniuses who truly like each other but one pushes the other into a role to facilitate his social suicide while the other struggles against this job he handed him. @ProofByColor: Yes, they did rush it and cut arcs, not just now but between course. dokidoki_bean said: Wait so is this the end of the anime then? I assume it is because the Final Problem is when Moriarty dies (or something to that effect in this adaptation) but the manga is still ongoing... so does that mean the anime is completely different to the manga? If you know Sherlock Holmes "lore", you know that after the Final Problem, there's a timeskip. The same applies to the manga. Below is the coloredcover for the last chapter of the "Final Problem" arc: So the manga continues on after The Final Problem? Obviously, the original Sherlock Holmes books continue after this story but Moriarty dies after the fall from the falls so I assumed this adaptation would end with The Final Problem since this is supposed to be a story from Moriarty's POV |
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dokidoki_bean said: So the manga continues on after The Final Problem? Obviously, the original Sherlock Holmes books continue after this story but Moriarty dies after the fall from the falls so I assumed this adaptation would end with The Final Problem since this is supposed to be a story from Moriarty's POV It continues, yes. But the anime can always do the final scene of that art and, maybe, a post-credit epilogue. If you wanted spoilers, I could send you a private message. |
| Looks like this is Moriarty's final plan and his brothers seek Sherlock for his help to save Liam. Man this is so exciting I cant wait for the last ep. |
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| The last episode still hasn't aired , yet MAL says "Finished airing", WTF?!? |
| He exposed himself, that was the final problem. Revealing himself and killing a lot of nobles is the last thing he'll do. Louise and the others don't want him to die, understandable. But how will William live in a world where he killed a ton of people. Not sure if he can bear that but he REALLY wants to die.. and they don't accept that kind of ending I guess. I knew that this wouldn't try to be different than Code Geass, Death Note or whatever more. Antagonist will always have an ending where they lose everything. Still enjoyable and amazing plot. |
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| The next last episode will sure be interesting to watch. |
| I'm really surprised the series is coming to a close this soon. It genuinely felt there was so much more to come but then suddenly we're in the final problem. I'm guessing some stuff was cut. Shame cause I've been loving this series. I don't normally touch these types of shows so its been an interesting watch. P.S the OP is great. |
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| With the exception of the scene where the rich man used his children as shield to not get killed by Moriarty this was a boring mess. |
| Looks like this is going to be the final case which I certainly did not expect to happen so soon as I expected some more intense cases involving Moriarty clashing with Holmes. |
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