Sailor Moon Eternal Edition
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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah nice to see members of the Dark Kingdom being introduced this episode.. Same could be said for Sailor Mars imo. I like her voice already. >EVIL SPIRIT BE EXORCISED Lol, that moment was priceless in this episode. I find the Demon Bus concept to be kinda interesting. I also like how Usagi stands up for Rei. Decent OST as well. I thought her transformation theme was pretty awesome :p  |
Stark700Aug 2, 2014 3:26 AM
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| Queen Beryl is getting quite annoyed with Jadeite for failing to gather more energy's and to obtain the Legendary Silver Crystal. Nephrite and Zoisite were also introduced. That moment between Mamoru and Usagi on the bus was pretty funny. |
Douglas24Aug 2, 2014 3:43 AM
| this episode it's rei's turn! nice transformation this episode. and i really like how they portrayed the dark kingdom and beryl - thought it looked great! |
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| First the things, that bothered many people in episode 1 and 2: Transformation: First time in a compact version. This means we won't get the full sequences for the introduced senshi's any more (or they will insta transform). Face expressions: Compared to the first two episodes they improved it. Animation: Though we got some disproportions (hands, eyes) here and there, it wasn't so bad like in Episode 2, so another improvement. Still I would like the Studio to focus on this much more and do it, like in the Music Video and better. Music: Fits the scenes and I really liked it. VA: Rei's Seiyuu did a very good job here IMO. She fits Rei's character very well. Altogether it was very good and a 95% faithful Manga adaptation. I really liked the bus scene with Usagi and Mamoru. It was amusing :D Rei's transformation, like Ami's, was very good. And finally the preview is in the Crunchyroll episode too, but I wouldn't call it a preview, when it contained only scenes from episode 1 and 2 :/ It was somehow a 'WTF? Where is my episode 4 preview' moment to me. I'm kinda disappointed :( That and some few weird anatomy errors were the only bad stuff here. |
RaffAug 2, 2014 4:00 AM
| Pretty much what we see like in the origiinal. But sailor mars! It was a bout time. :D Gahhh I'm so happy with this remake. This episode was epic imo. Rei and Usagi bonded instantly, they aren't fighting "yet". But still. I like how they noticed each other right away. When ami pointed her out, and her heart shaped eyes, and when Usagi was defending them and Rei noticed it was her. It was funny how Usagi was denying it. Loved every single second of this episode. Usagi my fav chara, and Rei my 2nd fav chara. Now I can die happy. Except not really. BEcause I need to watch the whole damn thing! :D XD Rewatch! |
MoonXArtemisAug 2, 2014 9:59 AM
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| lol they made Sailor Mars do some derpy facial expressions, fucking Toei rushing drawing/animating this anime but none the less good episode, Sailor Mars transformation scene is well done |
Mod Note: Spoiler tag added. Since there are two pre-existing sources (first anime and the manga) that have some very different events, it is possible that this version will not follow either previous version letter-for-letter (up until now it has been following the manga). Discussing things that haven't happened yet in this series, but did happen in the manga is a spoiler and should be tagged or posted in the separate thread on deviations from the manga. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:33 PM
| Is this how Rei's introduction episode went in the original? I don't remember this episode.. |
| Rei's voice really suits her. Damn, I really like her character. And Usagi's voice is still annoying. Rei's transformation scenes was pretty nice. Also, do they really need to spin so much while they're transforming? And when they are saying their signature speech (idk how to call it), do they really need to wave their hand so much? It kinda irks me. |
Psajdak said: The only thing I didn't like were some weird facial expressions that makes me leave this anime aside until whole series is available in 1080p Blu-ray rips which usually look much more refined. I hope they will, cause these errors and sometimes sloppy animation are a pain in the eye. If they do that and maybe redo Usagi's transformation a bit, then I willingly rewatch it. OG-3 said: Also, do they really need to spin so much while they're transforming? And when they are saying their signature speech (idk how to call it), do they really need to wave their hand so much? It kinda irks me. Distraction of the enemy XD |
RaffAug 2, 2014 8:17 AM
| so a new sailor moon guardian hmm ok |
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| Great ep. I was waiting for Rei since she is my favorite scout. I enjoyed her transformation also. Though how odd Toei didn't follow the manga to the T like they did in the previous eps. I hope thus don't mean complete change all the way. Sent with Mal Updater |
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elior1 said: amare135 said: yes but it seems they didnt do it And yea, use the spoiler option next time guy and girls, cause there are people not familiar with either the 90' Anime or the Manga. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:36 PM
| Rina Satou as Rei, huh? Okay. Good episode, I'm hoping to have more Mamoru and Usagi moments because Tuxedo Mask is kinda useless when it comes to battle scenes, more screen time please? |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Alright ep. Rei's voice is nice, transformation as well. Quite disappointed they changed the dialogues in the Usagi x Mamoru bus scene though. |
| I loved Rei's transformation. Mamoru looked like a salaryman in those glasses. |
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| Ah yessss, my heart is skipping beats when Dark Kingdom is on screen <3 Great Mars transformation, my favourite so far. And finally Mamoru looked the way I actually like him, idk but he seemed so weird in the first 2 episodes... However, I'm seriously missing some of the humour we had in the old version... *sighs* Cystal is so pretty, but I still feel as if something is missing... |
| Wow that was remarkable. I was totally blown away this week. Of course Rei's transformation is the best.. they focused more on the aesthetic of fire than the CG and it looked great. Do I even need to point out how remarkable the music is as well? Wow. One thing I always love is how they work together, there isn't just 1 who stands off to the side letting the rest do the work, all of them had a purpose and they filled it well. The humor was good when it was there, cute and quick. I always forget how dark Sailor Moon is though. Animation? Transformation sequence was good, still not a fan of the faces, but otherwise I still think it's gorgeous. Would like more fluidity though but I doubt it. Regardless Animation is only worth 10% of my overall score anyway. 5/5 this episode and successfully passed Barakamon as my favorite of the season now. |
| Mars' transformation is the best. It has such a great BGM too. I went :( when Jedaite mentioned about him being familiar with Mars' face. I would love to know more about the Four Generals' past/future. The theory in the last volume also makes me wonder about their fate and whether they will show up again just like other senshi. Too bad they didn't cover it in both the manga and anime. Takeuchi should make a spinoff about the Four Generals And lol did Tuxedo actually went out at 6 PM with his suit and cape? I giggled when I heard the cars passing next to Tuxedo and imagined the face of the drivers when they see a random masked person in black staring at a wall |
anaagaAug 2, 2014 7:53 AM
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| FUCKYOUTOEI, WHY DID YOU RUIN THIS. THIS IS NOT how it ends in the manga. What else will the idiots in charge of this adaptation change now? Because apparently "stay true to manga" is bullshit now. That's all I will say.I lost hope for this adaptation now. Mod Note: Discussion of (and venting about) changes from the source manga should be posted in the separate discussion topic dedicated to this. This will prevent inadvertent spoilers. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:40 PM
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| Wow Rei's transformation is the best by far. She has always been my favorite senshi, I can't help but fangirl the whole episode. And the choice of VA? Fantastic. I know the Hino Rei from the manga is mature and elegant, (unlike the Hino Rei from the original anime whom I'm more familiar with) I really think it hits the mark. /end_Sailor Mars_fangirling --- This episode's really different from what I remember. IIRC, in the old anime, it was Ami who chased after flight attendant Usagi. So Tuxedo Masks knows about the secret now? :o |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
Fai said: I think they might add some romance for the other senshis with the generals like Naoko wanted first.FUCKYOUTOEI, WHY DID YOU RUIN THIS. THIS IS NOT how it ends in the manga. That's all I will say.I lost hope for this adaptation now. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:41 PM
| :O :O :O Why? Why would they change it? I was looking forward to it sooo much too. I... I have no words to express my sheer disappointment. ... I think I'll go jump off a bridge now... |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:42 PM
| Few maxims have done as much harm as, "Children should be seen and not heard." |
amare135 said: Fai said: I think they might add some romance for the other senshis with the generals like Naoko wanted first.FUCKYOUTOEI, WHY DID YOU RUIN THIS. THIS IS NOT how it ends in the manga. That's all I will say.I lost hope for this adaptation now. The very second that happens, I am out of this show. It will be a retread of previous anime's bullshit, where no villain actually suffers a fitting fate and the heroes are so fucking obsessed with atonement and finding good in people that it turns into shitty sugar-fest. ITs a freaking war. The fact that senshi are willing to kill their villains for what they believe in is IMPORTANT POINT that is not completely lost. Not to mention Rei being an asexual who has no interest in romances or relationships was one of keypoints of manga and THAT would ruin it. Khaoticsuccubus said: :O :O :O Why? Why would they change it? I was looking forward to it sooo much too. I... I have no words to express my sheer disappointment. ... I think I'll go jump off a bridge now... Ditto. Hopefully ten or five years latter some OTHER studio takes charge of it and has the guts to adapt it correctly. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:43 PM
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Fai said: FUCKYOUTOEI, WHY DID YOU RUIN THIS. That's all I will say.I lost hope for this adaptation now. Well I was wondering too. They I though maybe thats the glimpse of the parts, that Naoko didn't implemented into her Manga. Anyway we got slapped in the face with that. Didn't expect it too xD besides a funny fact. Usagi stated, she doesn't like English in the 1st Episode. Now she is saying 'OK' haha. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:45 PM
Raff said: Well I was wondering too. They I though maybe thats the glimpse of the parts, that Naoko didn't implemented into her Manga. If that is the case then I am all for it. Technically that wouldn't be considered filler if it has canon relevance to the story and characters. It would allow them to flesh out the characters more and even add more complexity to the storytelling via foreshadowing and symbolism. That is of course if that is what they are doing. I never read the manga nor did I finish the original anime, so I am judging it on it's own... Since I can't really judge it otherwise :P |
Raff said: Fai said: FUCKYOUTOEI, WHY DID YOU RUIN THIS. That's all I will say.I lost hope for this adaptation now. Well I was wondering too. They I though maybe thats the glimpse of the parts, that Naoko didn't implemented into her Manga. Anyway we got slapped in the face with that. Didn't expect it too xD besides a funny fact. Usagi stated, she doesn't like English in the 1st Episode. Now she is saying 'OK' haha. As I said before: The very second that happens, I am out of this show. It will be a retread of previous anime's bullshit, where no villain actually suffers a fitting fate and the heroes are so fucking obsessed with atonement and finding good in people that it turns into shitty sugar-fest. ITs a freaking war. The fact that senshi are willing to kill their villains for what they believe in is IMPORTANT POINT that is not completely lost. ITs a freaking war. Same on if they drag out dark kingdom for 26 episodes. Mod Note: Spoiler tags added. Discussing details of the characters based on information in the manga is considered a spoiler for the Crystal anime only watchers. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:51 PM
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kjesta said: I continue to be disappointed by the animation quality, but there seems to be foreshadowing for sth that never even made it into the manga. I'm curious if we'll get all of that background stuff in Crystal! Holy cow I HOPE THAT HAPPENS! I mean it would be FUCKING AMAZING. If they ever planned to do this, then its obvious why Holy cow holy cow now I'm so xcited that If i won't see this happening I will be terribly terribly sad AND I DAMN LOVE YOU FOR WRITING THIS cuz it is a damn gorgeous idea |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:52 PM
| ^nobody cares about that. I'll just keep hope that it was just |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:53 PM
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Fai said: ^nobody cares about that. If Ill do what is right and stop watching this bullshit. I explained why in my previous post I feel it could be good for the series... While I do agree with you that taking weight out of a war would be a hit against it, it can make up for it elsewhere. Also... Just because they add romance doesn't mean a character won't die fittingly... Where did you come to that conclusion from? Also... Saying "Nobody cares about that" is a bit rude... Especially since you are telling it to a person who seems to legitimately care about it. o-o |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:55 PM
Fai said: ^nobody cares about that. I care. I always thought Sailor Moon world was a lot more complex than what the manga showed. And as kjesta points, it's BECAUSE of the illustrations. Which are concept art of what Sailor Moon is and in my opinion are the legacy of what SM world is. Everybody who knows SM from years ago and from the manga is probably hooked on the Moon Kingdom idea. I rewatched that scene where Jadeite says he's attracted to her `even though he has never met her before`. And I may be paranoid to unimaginable extent but WHY WOULD THEY MAKE HIM SAY THAT unless it was what kjesta says> FORESHADOWING of what's to come. That's why And I'm so happy about it. Cuz I know those damn illustrations. They have bene hounting me for years and years and I've been creating stories in my mind over it. This is an idea of giant epic proportions. If they decide to do it and if they execute it epicly. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 2:57 PM
| Skip Skip Skip, Awesome transformation of Sailor Mars. Best scene in this whole episode. Skip Skip Skip. |
Keten said: I explained why in my previous post I feel it could be good for the series... While I do agree with you that taking weight out of a war would be a hit against it, it can make up for it elsewhere. Also... Just because they add romance doesn't mean a character won't die fittingly... Where did you come to that conclusion from? Also... Saying "Nobody cares about that" is a bit rude... Especially since you are telling it to a person who seems to legitimately care about it. o-o Its not like it was in the manga. THe manga version is better for pure shock factor already. This change would mean they would need to make MORE changes either to fix it or to explain it and I have no interest in that. The great factor about about Dark Kingdom villains in manga is that they are irredeemable. They are not their woobified versions of previous anime adaptation where they go around angsting for LOOOOOOOOVE. They do their jobs, they die brutally and then we learn why its sad. I am watching this to see manga version be done justice. Not to watch yet another bulshitty anime-original take on it, where generals get bullshit redemptions and tragic deaths. That's how they sold this to viewers too, going even as far as naming episodes after manga chapters. Morridine said: I care. I always thought Sailor Moon world was a lot more complex than what the manga showed. And as kjesta points, it's BECAUSE of the illustrations. Which are concept art of what Sailor Moon is and in my opinion are the legacy of what SM world is. Everybody who knows SM from years ago and from the manga is probably hooked on the Moon Kingdom idea. I rewatched that scene where Jadeite says he's attracted to her `even though he has never met her before`. And I may be paranoid to unimaginable extent but WHY WOULD THEY MAKE HIM SAY THAT unless it was what kjesta says> FORESHADOWING of what's to come. And I'm so happy about it. Cuz I know those damn illustrations. They have bene hounting me for years and years and I've been creating stories in my mind over it. This is an idea of giant epic proportions. If they decide to do it and if they execute it epicly. THEN DO THE FUCKING FLASHBACKS instead of messing up the storyline. I have no interest in present Rei angsting over present-Jadeite and vice-versa. What I do have interest ? Seeing him die brutally b y her hands and THEN learn why its so fucked up and sad. FMA:Brotherhood got it right. THis is the same as if Brotherood suddenly decided to add FMA 2004's villain characterization into it, ruining it all. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 3:09 PM
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Fai said: Its not like it was in the manga. THe manga version is better for pure shock factor already. This change would mean they would need to make MORE changes either to fix it or to explain it and I have no interest in that. The great factor about about Dark Kingdom villains in manga is that they are irredeemable. They are not their woobified versions of previous anime adaptation where they go around angsting for LOOOOOOOOVE. They do their jobs, they die brutally and then we learn why its sad. I am watching this to see manga version be done justice. Not to watch yet another bulshitty anime-original take on it. That's how they sold this to viewers too, going even as far as naming episodes after manga chapters. So to sum it up... - You think shock factor is a good thing. - You think one dimensional villains is a good thing. I could go into explicit detail as to why those are not good things, but honestly I feel they speak for themselves. I understand your disappointment if they indeed go down those routes but honestly I think it's a little bold of them to do this. It's possible they won't need to change as much as you think, it might even just be small scenes here and there or maybe even flash backs or dream sequences. I am not saying this is necessarily a good thing, but it most definitely has potential to be. |
Keten said: - You think shock factor is a good thing. - You think one dimensional villains is a good thing. I could go into explicit detail as to why those are not good things, but honestly I feel they speak for themselves. I understand your disappointment if they indeed go down those routes but honestly I think it's a little bold of them to do this. It's possible they won't need to change as much as you think, it might even just be small scenes here and there or maybe even flash backs or dream sequences. I am not saying this is necessarily a good thing, but it most definitely has potential to be. Yes I think sticking to the source material WHEN IT IS WHAT YOU PROMISED TO DO, is good. No, I think its okay to add depth to characters AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT ALTER THE PLOT. Give them the damn flashbacks(There is perfect spot for that near the end of the arc), give them more scenes in between the manga-storyline, explain to us mor ein depth on why its sad, but do not change what is already here. AS I said FMA: Brotherhood got it right. SMC so far got it incredibly wrong. Its not bold, its infuriating and it shows that they do not respect the source material - |
rodacAug 2, 2014 3:10 PM
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| Arguing about it and saying 'Tokei you are a crappy Anime Studio' won't help either Fai :( That's the sad fact about all Studios these days and I'm somehow disappointed in Toei too. Besides, it's not like their members are reading posts on MAL or other forums and saying 'Oh, they didn't like the animation in this episode', 'Eeeh I put so much effort in Usagi's transformation, when I was drunken eating spaghetti bolognese :( ' (<- lol stop me please!) ...and that they will fix it next time. Yes we all have mixed feelings about the reboot. And yes, call me nostalgia fan, cause I'm half-defending SMC, but what can we do? Nothing, really. |
Fai said: Yes I think sticking to the source material WHEN IT IS WHAT YOU PROMISED TO DO, is good. No, I think its okay to add depth to characters AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT ALTER THE PLOT. Give them the damn flashbacks(There is perfect spot for that near the end of the arc), explain to us mor ein depth on why its sad, but do not change what is already here. Its not bold, its infuriating and it shows that they do not respect the source material - Fair enough. You just answered your own issue there though. If there is indeed a spot you feel would be perfect for all this, then there shouldn't be an issue so far. Of course if they add a bunch of crazy stuff that goes away from the source material they will indeed be lying, but they haven't done it yet, so I don't see why you are so angry... Thus far the series has been enjoyable to me, both from an enjoyment standpoint and even from a critical standpoint. It's hard for me to speak for the source material when I have not read it (Though I do plan to at some point). If however, the change is a good thing and was the mangaka's idea, then I do not necessarily consider it filler nor disrespect, if anything it has more respect for talking to the mangaka about it. Hence why I say it is a bold choice. Edit: Post below me - V - That too. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 3:11 PM
| There isn't gonna be any filler, |
rodacAug 2, 2014 3:12 PM
| Wow Rei's transformation was pretty good, and Jadeite was defeated so easily when she defeated just a single attack. Pretty much liked Rei's personality in here, as well all the voices on the characters. I hope Tuxedo Mask gets more screen time and helping out the girls in combat. It was pretty funny when Usagi gets embarrassed in the bus scene XD. |
| Mod Note: This post provides details about much of the direction of the Dark Kingdom story arc to further the contention of the poster that something should have happened in this episode which may or may not have done so. This is a series episode discussion. Do not spoil by introducing future events or details of the arc. |
rodacAug 2, 2014 3:21 PM
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| big quote here: mmm I really don't know how other animes managed to do with animating their original manga. However, from my point of view (which I am pretty aware that not all will agree with), if they decide to expand on the concept that miss Takeuchi created but did not pass through to the manga (which by the way, IS subject to a lot of changings that are not the original creation of the author... a good example being Usagi's hair color which miss Takeuchi originally designed differently) then I can die happily here and now. Because I value a lot more the original idea of miss Tacheuchi than what the manga appeared to be as a final product designed at a target public. I believe art is purely original. They said miss Takeuchi is collaborating in this anime and her decisions are valued this time, unlike in the previous anime. I trust this. If this is her idea, if she thinks this is what she meant, then this is original author work. Not original anime. But I cannot help to be overly excited about it. In a sense, this is what I would have wanted from this series. I hope it's happening. For it to show us things that weren't said before. Also wanted to point this about Rei: she's a miko just in this life. I don't think this is what should define her. She is who she was as a guardian in the past. Her new life is just a new start. Which should not negate the person she used to be. And I think the girls, in the manga, all do come to the conclusion that it is more important to follow their initial duties and identities, while coping with the things they cherish in their new lives. I don't want to turn this into a fight. Doing so, would be terrible on a forum section dedicated to Sailor Moon :P which is a concept that stands for too many beautiful things. Yes, I'm obsessed. But building on this idea just made me jump for 10 minutes in my room out of excitement. That did not happen in the past 5 years xD @Keten thanks! P.S. If anyone is wondering what illustration we are talking about, it's this |
MorridineAug 2, 2014 9:32 AM
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