Would having more normal body types for female characters be nice?

i watch anime for sexy women and unrealistic body types.
So no, having more normal body types for female characters wouldn't be nice, it would result in something like cartoons which i despise.

@LittleOwlbear The character designs before MAPPA took over was good and they ruined that. Literally nobody looks attractive anymore.

A creator should not have to censor for anyone nor any anime studio. Mostly all shoujo already follow those standards for limiting the ecchi. If the author wants TnA nobody should stop him. It is silly to limit fiction in such a manor. Nobody is asking for shoujo to have more accurate average short men or less bishounens. That aside, most shounen/seinen anime has a huge variety of waifus in them with breasts and bodies of all sizes. I think it would suck to limit that variety.

Oda has already spoken on why he continues making ecchi in the series. The primary demographic remains boys, and that explanation is perfectly ok.
Not all demographics have to like the same things.

@LeonhartAugust They made them more realistic. I remember how some people were on the verge of mental breakdown after seeing Mikasa "less attractive". She still looked attractive, just with more realistic design, fitting her life and profession. If anything, her design from Season 1-2 was the dumbest one. No one will convince me that a soldier in field conditions, exhausted for most of the time, wearing a lipstick on every occassion while wandering for days in a land infested by human-eating giants, where every minute of losing focus can be lethal, was just realistic and normal looking.

She could look relatively attractive inside the Walls, but choosing to make her look as if she came outta a beauty salon outside of the Walls, while on a mission and in field conditions, wasn't a fortunate design choice, in my opinion. Finding balance between realism and fanservice-flavored elements in Mikasa's design, considering serious themes found in Attack on Titan and grounded it was for most of the time, was better in Season 3 and reached its peak in Season 4 (so the final season, which was made by MAPPA).

@Adnash I don’t care if it’s unrealistic. I want to see attractive characters in fiction, both male and female. If I wanted realistic looking, I can go outside.

@rohan121 Exactly agree with Oda. I was just always one of the boys who didn't gravitate to big boobied girls. Sexy girls are hot and fun, but not my thing at the end of the day and why I preferred Nami's original look from back in the day.

@fallout45 I also prefer pre-timeskip Nami. She was still objectively pretty, but felt more charming. Short-haired Nami didn't need to have her character design go over the top in terms of physique. Her cool personality didn't need such elements to remain cool and likeable.

I get the reasoning behind more "busty" female characters appearing in One Piece over time, and how they fit the general art style (mostly hourglass-shaped body canon). However, I found the old designs more charming. Not that the new ones are bad. They are okay. I just prefer pre-timeskip ones. ;)

Yeah, it's basically the same three body types all the time. More variety would be much appreciated. I wasn't as into "Delicious in Dungeon" as I could've been, but that was an aspect I appreciated about that series.

Would having more normal body types for female characters be nice?

TOTALLY !!! it brings something new and fresh on the table..im bored of seeing same kind of body type..it makes the media more diverse and hence a lot more fun !!! women come in many shapes and sizes and it would be so amazing to explore them all..

oremonogatari male lead body type is something new in anime and i loved that

@ame I've always found it intriguing how women complain about the sexualization of female characters in male media, while men complain about the sexualization of men in female media. At the same time, both sides consider their media to be objectively morally sound and accuse their opponents of being sensitive.

@LittleOwlbear Some people will tell you that even the very fact of characters being attractive is toxic and should be avoided in favor of some kind of “realistic appearance”, which in the understanding of such people for some reason always means a very androgynous and gray appearance lacking any charisma.

@RobertBobert

More realistic does mean more attractive to me tho since I'm not attracted to dolls.

@LittleOwlbear It depends what you mean by realism. Realistic appearance as such or a complete rejection of attractiveness based on the belief that any beauty in the media is artificial?

@RobertBobert

How is attractiveness a rejection of beauty tho? There are lot of real, very good looking people (and not only those who could be super models).

Moe styles etc are cute in my eyes, but not attractive.

@LittleOwlbear I'm not talking about moe and fetishization. I'm talking about people who use the argument about unrealistic beauty standards as an excuse to fight "excessive" beauty and attractiveness in the media.

@RobertBobert This is kind of a stupid situation...
Basically you have a bunch of people who really just use the word "realistic" as a dog whistle for ugly, they'd rather change the world instead of put in some real work to improve themselves.
Then many of the beauty standards, both East and West, are kind of designed to be unachievable normally, like how in Korea double eye lid surgery is in vogue, and in the USA everyone is getting lip fillers, and both of these try to achieve traits that are rather scarce in their respective population.
And there is so much fakeness on the internet that people are kind of forgetting what normal humans even looks like, especially men who have no clue about how make up works, having never used it.
And there actually are just naturally people, there is a good chance they'll be insecure and get criticized by a mob for no reason...
Also a while ago I've seen a video where one guy admitted to pretending to be on steroids, because it became so normalized, that lying about doing it made him more trending.
We live in the backwards now, and the only people that are happy are the ones who got rich off of it.

@JaniSIr I am not a person of model appearance, so it is not for me to reproach others for their appearance. But what really confuses me is that in the 21st century, more than ever before, prejudice against beautiful people has begun to be normalized, as if being beautiful by default means having enormous power and abusing it as if you were a rich businessman in the spirit of anti-capitalist Soviet propaganda.

@RobertBobert There absolutely are situations where being beautiful is helpful, but a lot of beautiful people make nothing of it...

The whole prejudice thing is probably a mix of jealousy, crab mentality ("if I can't have if then they should not have it either"), laziness (mental gymnastics is easier than actual gymnastics, even though the latter actually burns calories), and a potentially outright delusion (obesity is NOT healthy).
Also people basically post their journey of becoming fat and ugly, like they are proud of it. There's probably some virtue signalling in there, and trying to belong in a community, that is extremely toxic and backwards.

I somehow ended up watching botox/plastic surgery videos on YouTube a couple days ago, and now I'm psycho analysing people, even though I usually consider that a bad habit...

@JaniSIr Well, I won't deny that there are a lot of handsome assholes who abuse their looks and are at best too naive, at worst considering all people without good looks to be subhuman. Remember the scandal when the Victoria's Secret model came to McDonald's and humiliated the fat people sitting there. But any antagonism is usually two-sided, and in this case we have both spoiled people with good looks and spoiled people with bad looks, who consider the very fact of the existence of beautiful people to be a humiliation for them.

Regarding the cases you mentioned, I noticed that body positivity activists still love classical ideals of beauty among the opposite sex. For example, at one time body-positive advertising raised a lot of questions, where the success of curvy women was proven through the interest in them of ridiculously physically attractive men of athletic appearance without a drop of body fat.

@deltahalo241

I thought the same.

Also I realized how weirdly thin the characters look in AOT 1-3, even the adults. Plus they are soldiers, they should look like that. Season 4 did a much better job.

@LeonhartAugust They made them more realistic. I remember how some people were on the verge of mental breakdown after seeing Mikasa "less attractive". She still looked attractive, just with more realistic design, fitting her life and profession. If anything, her design from Season 1-2 was the dumbest one. No one will convince me that a soldier in field conditions, exhausted for most of the time, wearing a lipstick on every occassion while wandering for days in a land infested by human-eating giants, where every minute of losing focus can be lethal, was just realistic and normal looking.

She could look relatively attractive inside the Walls, but choosing to make her look as if she came outta a beauty salon outside of the Walls, while on a mission and in field conditions, wasn't a fortunate design choice, in my opinion. Finding balance between realism and fanservice-flavored elements in Mikasa's design, considering serious themes found in Attack on Titan and grounded it was for most of the time, was better in Season 3 and reached its peak in Season 4 (so the final season, which was made by MAPPA).

We already do have normal female body types in anime, stylized yes, but nontheless normal, it's normal for women to have boobs, be it big, medium, or small, it's normal for women to have curves, yes there are in fact differences between male and female anatomy, one of those being women have a smaller waist compare to their hips while men's waist are straiter and closer to the size of their hips, hence why women have that curved appearence and men don't, it's also normal attire for women to have mini-skirts/shorts, crop tops, and other clothes that are considered "skimpy", yes that's not every woman's style, and in fact it's not even every woman in anime's style, but it is normal and even common especially in places with a warmer climate

Now what isn't shown much in anime are unhealthy body types, i.e. very overweight or very underweight, we still do see such characters, both male and female once in a while, such as Daru (Steis:Gate) and Kinuyo (Stars Align), or on the opposite end Lelouch (Code Geass) and Nana (Nana), yes these are rare instances, but then again, do we really want to see more unhealthy bodytypes in anime? Sure they can make for interesting character developement if well executed, like knowing why the character is like that, or even watching the character overcome it, but shouldn't we as the viewer aspire to have a healthy body rather than demand to see more unhealthy ones?

Wow good job guys, it took ONLY half a page for the thread to devolve into buzzwords and insults! Never change MAL, never change...

Also realistic ≠ attractive. If that were the case, literally nobody would date or marry for love.

@RobertBobert I was thinking more along the lines of a story I heard of where one girl became a millionaire from Tiktok dancing, just because of her looks. But sure, that works too.

I would write that up to the influence of feminism.

@rodmanii There is an entire generation now that has almost no interest in sex, so do not blame politics. And Conservatives used to be the worst when it came to censorship, though I must admit the Woke crowd has reached heights of hypocrisy undreamt of by me.

OP stay the fuck away from my animays if you have this shitty of a taste. All those shows with "modest" women are lame as fuck. I don't watch anime to get reminded of real girls, I hate real girls and women.