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Jun 25, 2023 8:53 PM

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I really liked the episode overall, even though I feel that the political aspect of this series got a little...Shallow? Like, the groups used to be super restrictive when developing technology and particularly with the case of the Gundams where everyone knew unless the Benerit Group was involved. But now it turns out that Peil Group and the other guy had a super cannon developed in secret?


Also Schwarzette Gundam is peak design holy molly. I need a kit ASAP
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Jun 26, 2023 1:01 AM

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ssjokg said:
And no way next ep has a satisfying ending. S2 will happen surely.
But this IS season 2.
Jun 26, 2023 1:35 AM

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Really beautiful animation this episode.

My only complaint with this episode and the story line in general this late in the game is that Lauda's breakdown happened too quickly. I would have preferred to see him slowly boil up and then explode in rage over a longer stretch of the season, rather then immediately going psycho after finding out 2 episodes ago that Bob killed his dad. It felt like they just tossed that conflict in here to take up some screen time because the build up to this point wasn't as good as the other plot lines.
Jun 26, 2023 1:50 AM

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Ictius said:
ssjokg said:
And no way next ep has a satisfying ending. S2 will happen surely.
But this IS season 2.
this is second cour. This trend of calling 12 eps 3 months apart different seasons is fucking stupid even if official.
Jun 26, 2023 1:58 AM

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ssjokg said:
Ictius said:
But this IS season 2.
this is second cour. This trend of calling 12 eps 3 months apart different seasons is fucking stupid even if official.
Go and tell that to Sunrise. If they call it season 2, then it is season 2.
Jun 26, 2023 2:41 AM

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Partially a good episode, partially bad, super bad.
Suletta only keeps evading, since they put her in a really bad position with constant permet 5 and an inferior Gundam.
Aerial felt pity and sabotaging the Data Storm was a good move, but it appeared too convenient.
The students infiltration of Quiet Zero was rather cool, but do they have no other military units to do such dangerous jobs?
Another faction appears as they think Lagrange 4 became a bad colony with all the chaos spreading recently.
Coincidence that they have a super beam from Stardust Memory, but apparently it can be stopped by a single Gundam.

Of course Schwarzette wins, the Jeturk family really sucks at piloting mechs, the dad, Guel and Lauda.
In a real Gundam show Guel would have exploded but it was nice that they patched up the cockpit and family problems.

I complain about the lacking world building with all the factions we barely know and lacking build up of characters and their connections.
Why did they actually bother with showing us the planet earth faction, they added nothing of importance to the plot.
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Jun 26, 2023 3:03 AM

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Partially a good episode, partially bad, super bad.
Suletta only keeps evading, since they put her in a really bad position with constant permet 5 and an inferior Gundam.
Aerial felt pity and sabotaging the Data Storm was a good move, but it appeared too convenient.
The students infiltration of Quiet Zero was rather cool, but do they have no other military units to do such dangerous jobs?
Another faction appears as they think Lagrange 4 became a bad colony with all the chaos spreading recently.
Coincidence that they have a super beam from Stardust Memory, but apparently it can be stopped by a single Gundam.

Of course Schwarzette wins, the Jeturk family really sucks at piloting mechs, the dad, Guel and Lauda.
In a real Gundam show Guel would have exploded but it was nice that they patched up the cockpit and family problems.

I complain about the lacking world building with all the factions we barely know and lacking build up of characters and their connections.
Why did they actually bother with showing us the planet earth faction, they added nothing of importance to the plot.

It wasn't aerial that sabotaged the data storm.

They are bad pilots? Why? At the very least Lauda is the only one that sucks.

You realize Earth group is why Guel,Miorine and Elan have character development right?
Just because they aren't also in the fight doesn't mean they aren't important.

You can complain but literally all the flaws you find are you failing at paying attention.


EDIT:Also, it wasn't just one Gundam.
Are you even looking at the screen?
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Jun 26, 2023 4:35 AM
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Damn Aerial is really down... I wonder how things will end with Prospera now
Jun 26, 2023 5:35 AM

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Who sabotaged the data storm? The only thing I can think of is maybe some hidden code Miorine's mum left behind. I'm wondering if that'll be revealed next episode.

Honestly kinda let down than only Eri seemed to die though. Belmeria straight up used her body to shield Miorine and even she got out unharmed. Same with Guel, they set him up to mirror his father's death but he lives too.

I think the pacing issues are really starting to set in for me too, it's trying to resolve Miorine and her mother, Suletta, Eri and Prospera, Guel and Lauda's relationship and a bunch of politics all at once; and it's messy.

I think the reveal that Eri is inside Aerial should have been the season 1 finale (the community had worked it out already anyway), so season 2 could've had a couple more episodes.

I still want to give the show a 10/10 though because it is by far the most fun I've had watching a seasonal show in a while, I hope the last episode is able to tie everything up.

Jun 26, 2023 7:44 AM
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Sibling duel for Jetuk family.
Aerial sacrificed and"stopped" big planetary cannon.
Jun 26, 2023 7:58 AM

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Really beautiful animation this episode.

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Jun 26, 2023 1:23 PM
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Idk but i really didn't like this episode.
So why was Lauda fighting Guel to the death and then is shocked that he could die from an attack lmao how dumb is this guy? Why even try in the first place.
Then we got an asspull Death Star weapon out of nowhere just to make Eri sacrifice herself and that Suletta maybe even remembers her fondly? Oh come on, Eri and Prospera are still assholes and this doesn't redeem them.
And the fight was really a letdown too. Only style over substance with effects and fast animations that might look gorgeous but has no interesting tactics or maneuvers to make it more exciting. Suletta was most of the time just dodging.
I got to say that this end segement of the anime really pushed it down for me. It was way too rushed and the set up way to long. All of a sudden Quiet Zero is finished and the fight started. This Gundam series needed twice its length like other ones to about 50 eps.
Sadly this is not it for me.
Jun 26, 2023 4:58 PM
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This episode was really sort of shockingly bad, and in general the quality of the writing has nosedived pretty consistently as S2 progressed. Like, the Schwarzette is an extremely cool mobile suit, and fucking jobber Lauda is the pilot, in a completely unrelated B plot? Why? 

As an aside, the number of extremely dumb asspulls in this episode was really wild, and Eri's personality was *nothing* like what it was in the Cradle World. She doesn't even have any motives other than "don't stop mom!" Nobody has any strong motives! Things are sort of just happening on screen without a lot of rhyme or reason, and it's really, frankly, crushingly disappointing. The writing staff obviously wrote too many checks that they couldn't cash; it legitimately feels like the last 6 or 7 episodes were written by a completely different team than S1. I would be shocked if this show somehow manages to pull itself up for the last episode. 
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Jun 26, 2023 7:07 PM
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I might've gotten lost, but who/what was Miorine's mom?
Jun 26, 2023 10:07 PM
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I might've gotten lost, but who/what was Miorine's mom?
Don't worry, she's been a complete non-presence / non-character on the show getting shoe-horned in at the last moment. Miorine's mom was a bioengineer who wanted humanity to develop by taking cues from plants. Somehow, this relates to Quiet Zero. She died when Miorine was a kid. She developed the tomato strain that Miorine grows.

And that's all we know!
Jun 27, 2023 4:04 AM

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That was a real close call for Guel, Felsi with the save. Lauda though, quite annoying. Miorine managed to stop quiet zero but damn is Eri now gone? The assembly and peil group gotta pay. I really wonder how they'll wrap this up in one episode. Most likely outcome is a timeskip.
Jun 27, 2023 6:06 AM
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Finale is almost here! Let’s see if Team Eri wins…
Jun 27, 2023 10:45 AM

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Fabienne said:
The students infiltration of Quiet Zero was rather cool, but do they have no other military units to do such dangerous jobs?


They already established that they did, and the Asticassia students chose to do it themselves anyway to resolve their personal concerns. This happened in the previous episode.

Coincidence that they have a super beam from Stardust Memory, but apparently it can be stopped by a single Gundam.


It was stopped by the most powerful Gundam in this timeline alongside about a hundred Gundvolvas. That seems reasonable enough.

Why did they actually bother with showing us the planet earth faction, they added nothing of importance to the plot.


Not only have Miorine, Shaddiq, Guel, Prospera, the Dawn of Fold and Earth House all been directly impacted by Earth and the events on it, but we had an entire sequence of events involving Miorine and Prospera going to the planet and having to deal with issues there that directly led to the current situation. What exactly would you have preferred, in terms of "importance?"

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And the fight was really a letdown too. Only style over substance with effects and fast animations that might look gorgeous but has no interesting tactics or maneuvers to make it more exciting. Suletta was most of the time just dodging.


While I completely agree with the sentiment that animation plays second fiddle to interesting strategy, I really don't know how Suletta could have done better. Aerial and the Gundvolvas swarmed her from every angle with ranged weaponry, in a wide open sphere with nothing to hide behind. The only thing I can think of is to head to QZ as fast as possible in the hopes Eri will abate her attacks so as not to hit it by accident, which in the end she did.
Well I for one already loved Lain.
Jun 27, 2023 3:57 PM
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FELSI MVP !!!!!!!!!!1
Jun 27, 2023 11:42 PM
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The plot is an utter mess.
Jun 28, 2023 9:46 AM
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ballin very hard )
Jun 28, 2023 10:09 PM

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so pointlless on the battle between Guel and his brother like literally half of the ep was wasted on them. The director should focus more on two main leads not those supporting characters.
Jun 29, 2023 9:20 AM

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awesome insane ep! and the OST damn feels like a movie!
5/5.


Jun 29, 2023 10:54 AM
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so pointlless on the battle between Guel and his brother like literally half of the ep was wasted on them. The director should focus more on two main leads not those supporting characters.
It's pretty heavily implied in a recent interview that Okouchi gave with CUT magazine that the Bandai-Sunrise executives (led by the staff producer) intervened in the S2 story to make Guel much more prominent because he's a potential male lead, and Bandai-Sunrise has been resisting a female lead in a Gundam (against what a number of writers and directors, including Tomino himself, have wanted) for nearly 30 years. In other words, the equivalent of some MBAs busting into the writers room and saying "make this boy show up way more."

Not really surprising, since Bandai-Sunrise has intervened in a number of different Gundam's writing (always for the worse), but it would explain why Guel's story arc has been so weird and at direct odds with the actual themes of the show.
Jun 29, 2023 8:40 PM

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Well...there goes Eri...I don't see how this wraps up in just 1 episode.

Lauda was an idiot to the end, as was Mama who doesn't give a shit about Suletta.
Jun 30, 2023 3:10 AM
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Jeturk got a ridiculously last minute plot armor for a gundam standard
Jun 30, 2023 9:31 PM
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just this episode astounded me
Jul 1, 2023 7:11 AM
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PraxisCat said:
ButtSlapper said:
so pointlless on the battle between Guel and his brother like literally half of the ep was wasted on them. The director should focus more on two main leads not those supporting characters.
It's pretty heavily implied in a recent interview that Okouchi gave with CUT magazine that the Bandai-Sunrise executives (led by the staff producer) intervened in the S2 story to make Guel much more prominent because he's a potential male lead, and Bandai-Sunrise has been resisting a female lead in a Gundam (against what a number of writers and directors, including Tomino himself, have wanted) for nearly 30 years. In other words, the equivalent of some MBAs busting into the writers room and saying "make this boy show up way more."

Not really surprising, since Bandai-Sunrise has intervened in a number of different Gundam's writing (always for the worse), but it would explain why Guel's story arc has been so weird and at direct odds with the actual themes of the show.
Feels like a good decision since Guel has some pretty good designs like Dilanza and Daeriblade, and he is like the best character from the series. Suletta main story is with Eri. Also girls generally are not into toys and more into stuff like fashion, pets, and they probably already sold enough aerial and aerial rebuilds. Now need to sell Dilanza, Daeriblade and the guys he is fighting
Jul 1, 2023 5:46 PM
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PraxisCat said:
JulesSugoi said:
I might've gotten lost, but who/what was Miorine's mom?
Don't worry, she's been a complete non-presence / non-character on the show getting shoe-horned in at the last moment. Miorine's mom was a bioengineer who wanted humanity to develop by taking cues from plants. Somehow, this relates to Quiet Zero. She died when Miorine was a kid. She developed the tomato strain that Miorine grows.

And that's all we know!
One reason why S2 has sucked. One episode left and there's way too much unresolved/abandoned crap. The thing with Miorine's mom, basically anything to do with the real Elan (other than wanting to take over Benerit), why is the Assembly League (supposed to be a corporate mediator) basically a space UN with a gigantic fleet and a death laser stashed away for a rainy day, why is war partitioning even a thing, why should we even care about the whole Spacian vs Earthian thing, and so on and son. Too much stuff coming up suddenly that we just have to take at face value and accept as necessary for advancing the plot.

I feel like they tried to go with the IBO formula of tightly focusing on a small slice of a big universe through S1 but the big plot points around Quiet Zero, the Benerit Group and the GUND format made S2 very unfocused at first and then rushed to meet the 24 episodes format. 
Jul 2, 2023 5:47 AM
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Insane episode. I can’t Imagine how the writers felt. The music. Amaaazing.
Jul 2, 2023 7:21 AM
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I don't understand about that tomato code, how can be that tomato code be the password when miorine reprogrammed that computer? Is it a program that her mother left behind?
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Introducing a new villain we know nothing about a half hour before the end of the entire series encapsulates what was wrong with this anime pretty nicely.

Pretty obvious that Tomino wanted a full series (4 seasons) and Bandai stepped in for some reason.
Jul 2, 2023 3:17 PM

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I did not watch this last week because I feared it would be lame AF and I would rather get it over with in one sitting and sadly I was right.

Another super weapon out of nowhere with 0 expositon.
A new enemy out of nowhere with 0 exposition.

The convoluted mess that was the battle here, the absolute joke of the brothers clashing which at this point in the story does nothing important.

Oh and the only one to die is apparently Eri who is barely even a character.

Lame and wasted potential. Once again shows why this show should have been a proper 4 cours like literally every other gundam
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Wow, ERIIIIII!!!!
The fight between brothers ended wih surprise!!! kekeke
Jul 4, 2023 10:35 AM

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is this show really gonna end with just 2 cours...


sigh
Jul 4, 2023 12:40 PM
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Suletta is a Disgusting TRAITOR !!!
She claims to love her mum and sister, but goes above and beyond to destroy the many years of hard work and sacrifices her mother made to finally get payback and vengeance.
Not only that, this idiot also indirectly murders her sister Eri.
I feel bad for Prospera, her husband and Eri.
In the end Suletta destroyed everything her Mother an sister did 😫.
Her mum gave her her Dream of attending school and making friends, she took it all and backstabbed Prospera.
Seriously WTF !!!
Jul 16, 2023 5:38 PM

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Guel is lucky to be alive. Thankfully, his brother seems to have calmed down.

Quiet Zero has been stopped, and in order to stop that laser, Ericht appears to have sacrificed herself in order to save Suletta, and everyone on board Quiet Zero. Suletta's mother is losing it, but I suppose it's understandable.

What will happen in the final episode?

Jul 31, 2023 6:18 PM

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When we got that flashback of Guel and Lauda I really thought that Guel was gone at that point.. thankfully that didn't happen lol.
Aug 2, 2023 4:39 AM
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Just perfect, like every other episode.
Sep 2, 2023 9:05 AM

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Gotta give Mio her props for standing up to Prospera. Literally told her step mom to deal with becoming family with someone that took everything from her. Was a bit surprised to see Mio's mom being the admin for this thing. Or was that revealed in an earlier episode? Can't remember.

Happy that Felsi came in stop Guel from getting killed but now it looks like Eri is gone.
Oct 31, 2023 7:24 PM

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Bless Felsi for stopping what could have been an awful scene, but Lauda was being the worst, so hopefully he gets some sort of punishment, like shaving his hair!

Prospera was being quite nice by not shooting Miorine when she got the chance, the power of being the daughter-in-law.

Poor Aerial.
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i never imagined i wuold ever be grateful to Felsi, but here i am.
i was sure that Guel would die, man how i'm relieved now.
Eri's sacrifice to protect Suletta and Prospera was sad, and miorine was awesome confronting Prospera in that situation.
a wonderful episode.
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Well damn this is just sad :'(
nobody wins this war.
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Suletta, you fn traitor! Going against family to protect the Opps 🤣
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awesome man awesome Aeri was born for a reason
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Suletta's internal conflict while setting the stage for a major confrontation with external threats and Delling being even more marked for death sounds more interesting than I thought.

Mio sure took her sweet time to see Suletta as a means of friendship and not validation like every other episode. At the same time, Suletta should always question people like Batman would or like I would. She should have already sensed other people's desire for validation from a mile away like she's a dog.

Too bad Suletta can't even question her mom like I usually do those episodes ago. Acting too much like Johnny Bravo, a well-known momma's boy, never questioning his mother either.

Women who use their kids and see them as a means of validation are always gonna be trouble.
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Ericht took the attack (sort of recalling the Last Shooting in original Gundam), and Aerial was destroyed. Prospera lost her mask and seemingly surrendered. I thought Guel was a goner, but he's okay thanks to his team. Everybody made it by working together! So many feelings again! Next episode is the last!!!
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