Kidou Senshi Gundam: Suisei no Majo Season 2 Episode 10 Discussion

Comander-07 said:
Was this show cut short in developement? Because so much of the story just seems lacking, while the leftovers are in the show. For example Elan, why is he even still around? All he does is stand around, doing nothing. His ship with Norea was interesting, but lasted half a second. Or Shaddiq, what has he even achieved? He was supposed to be some sort of behind the scenes mastermind, but other than a little chaos he achieved absolutely nothing. Yet somehow Miorine comes back and acts as if he is important?
Ironically Guels subplot is the most fleshed out, going so far as making Lauda his rival/enemy, even though we have just 2! episodes left.
The space assembly league appeared out of nowhere and doesnt actually serve any purpose, other than beeing the third faction. They were introduced with the goal of dismantling Benerit group, but all they actually do is suicide into the super weapon and telling schoolgirls to become child soldiers.
Then there was the whole "who becomes president of Benerit group" thing and while we had an entire episode focused on Miorine creating her company, we never even saw the group actually voting for her. Yes she teamed up with Guel, but neither of them actually have any standing of their own, yet suddenly she is president? Ok? Even though all she does is sit in her room sulking?
Also while the obvious "why are teenagers main characters in this adult story" was always a thing in Gundam, they always had a kinda natural reason to be there. Here it just gets handwaved that children are running interplanetary weapon conglomerates, while playing child soldiers.
Dont even get me started on the rushed world building when it comes to Benerit group itself. I mean house Peil defected to the Space Assembly league and with 2 episodes left I highly doubt this will amount to anything.

This is especially unusual for Gundam, which are always longer than just 2 cours. I really hope this does not become the standard going forward, as this really just seems like cheaping out on the production while still selling Gunplas.

I was looking forward to this season but this just seems so rushed all around, especially after the first one took its time with everything to the point it became a drag.

PS: Oh yeah Delling woke up and its a 2 second scene, wtf wasnt this guy supposed to be more important?
@PrecureHunter lmao you are right, I completely forgot about this before I saw your comment. The main antagonist of the prequel, still a central plot piece yet now he just might as well have died 10eps ago.

AlexGK said:

PS: That transgender person at the start freaked me out, not gonna lie. I am by no means anti-anything, but this was bleh... might as well put lipstick on Guel :D

ArklessWonder said:

It really seems like they went to market with the framework of a story and never figured out the rest of it.

A real disappointing showing from the Gundam Franchise.

Also there's barely any mechs in this show. There's been what, 4 total fights in this show? Plus whatever next episode is.

Comander-07 said:
@ArklessWonder its honestly baffling that this show sells so many kits, which is really why I fear for Gundam as a franchise when these low effort yuri bait cashgrabs become so successfull.

@Antisocialsempai especially after S1 moved at a snails pace, this suddenly turned on its FTL. Really all of these issues would have not existed if it got the time it needed.

@Lordbricktrick what is there to disagree with? Its not an opinion, its a summary of the sub plots.

Lordbricktrick said:


Your summaries of the characters in particular seems dismissive of what they have done throughout the show. Both in terms of their arcs of character development and how they impact the plot.

Lordbricktrick said:


I disagree with most of those points. However there has been 6 “fights” which for a 12 episode cour seems very reasonable. Add onto the fact that we have another two episodes.

Comander-07 said:
@ArklessWonder its honestly baffling that this show sells so many kits, which is really why I fear for Gundam as a franchise when these low effort yuri bait cashgrabs become so successfull.

@Antisocialsempai especially after S1 moved at a snails pace, this suddenly turned on its FTL. Really all of these issues would have not existed if it got the time it needed.

@Lordbricktrick what is there to disagree with? Its not an opinion, its a summary of the sub plots.

Comander-07 said:
yeah, still not something you can inherently disagree with as its simply what happened in the show.

What do you think Shaddiq has achieved? Why is Elan still around and what is his contribution to the story besides standing around?
What value does Lauda becoming a rival add now that the show is essentially over?

Lordbricktrick said:


Shaddiq (My least favorite of these three) served as a foil to Guel and Miorine, just because he failed in his goal of winning the presidency does not mean he was irrelevant. He is this toxic form of human connection that wants to control others. We see this in a lot of the parental relationships presented throughout the series. I am not sure where they are going with him, but I imagine he is going to be involved in some capacity in the upcoming battle, and perhaps find some sort of redemption. Although I find that hard to believe that he can be redeemed fully.

Elan's story seems to be focused on his brief connection with Norea and his resentment for his upbringing as a science experiment. He may have been stationary, but him musing over the value of life for a gundam pilot seems quite relevant to the idea of gundam pilots not being worth much. We see him start out cynical and just wanting to survive, but through his interactions with Norea he learns that he wants to live a life. To see what is beyond the gundam seat, enunciated by him pulling out the notebook and looking at the drawings of Earth. Furthermore, I would bet money on the upcoming episodes having Belmeria sacrifice herself in order to save Elan therefore giving her some semblence of recompence for her part in the genetic war crimes committed on the body doubles.

Lauda is easily the weakest of the three as a character but I think he has the most important ramifications on the story as a whole. The most obvious part is his familial relationship with Guel. He tried to run the company, but ultimately failed and passed it off to his brother when he returned. His final battle with Guel will give Guel a chance to redo his duel with his father. This time sparing his family and managing to preserve them. His other connection would be his relationship with Petra. A pivotal moment in Suletta's journey is when her and Petra are running through Asticasia as it is being destroyed. Petra's comment about how "She wants to stand by Lauda's side when this is over." is important as it causes Suletta to have that same revelation. She also wants to stand by Miorine's side when this is over.

While none of these characters are "Main" characters, I still think their contributions to the story should not be glossed over. Truly fits the definition of a "supporting" cast.

Comander-07 said:
notice how you are answering a totally different question? I did not ask what their characters are, I asked:

What Shaddiq achieved (nothing), Why Elan is still around (no reason) and why the show forces Lauda in at the very last second.

The issue is not that the characters are irrelevant, the issue is that their sub plots barely exist and got totally rushed.

Cestlavie_ said:

"Amuro and Chan fencing " was that in the movies as well? cause I don't remember that

Arkaiil said:
Bro what the fuck are you talking about?

Mariklyn said:
Ehh, the show looks cool with the action scenes, but take away the visuals and focus on the story. It becomes clear how bad the series is.

The duel between Gruel and Little Red (LR) is so stupid. They literally pulled out their ass that LR can now fence. All while being skilled enough to beat Gruel, the guy that is supposed to be the jack of all trades in terms of combat. ( I guess he was being a bro and took an L on purpose. )

Then, the stupid scence of Mirione being depressed locked up in her room. Didn't they already establish that she was tricked ? The legs scence was weird too.

After that, I lost it when the rebel commander guy made the comment to leave the situation if things get dangerous." Let the adults take responsibility..." (But please take the risk of fighting in a hopeless battle with your lives on the line)

All in all, if this was a one-off anime. Then, it be easy to dismiss the flaws and enjoy the ride. But a series like Gundam with lore and history. it's such a disappointment that this is what they crank out. Granted good on them, they won the hearts of thousands with woke elements. All at the cost of their identity, maybe things turn around, but wow, what a massive disappointment on the writers and creators who worked on this project.

Rat_Baby said:

you gave up the ghost with the mention of "woke", I was almost taking you seriously until then. But now it's pretty clear you're just trolling.

Maria1988 said:
as someone who enjoyed Gwitch I thought the fencing scene was very dumb. its just totally unnecessary.

The way this scene should've went was Suletta comes in and is like "I'll duel you for miorine" and then guel is like "No that doesnt matter anymore" and just gives her back the holder title. this would not only show suletta's resolve to get back miorine but show Guel's growth to not care about the duels.

like what is guel's purpose in even fighting here. if its to keep miorine then he's just reverted to Ep1 Guel who wants to keep a woman who doesnt love him as a trophy. if its to test his strength then its just back to season 1 guel again who bases so much of his ego on petty tests of strength, if its to test suletta, then that makes no sense, he knows she and miorine are in love and suletta showing up is proof enough of her resolve, and for those saying he let her win, why? he couldve just given the holder title back without this song and dance and thats just shitty of him to insult suletta like that

AlexGK said:
Didn't know that, thanks!
So what short term do they use that's not a slur? Ill edit it for now.

mtgowns said:
Caught up to this episode and boy, this show has really fallen off a cliff in S2. Wasn't too bad up to the Elrich reveal, but the absolute horrid pacing since is now too much. It's as if the producers were told they wouldn't get more than 12 extra episodes and decided to shoehorn three planned seasons into one. 

Stuff just happens, people teleport randomly, subplots sprout then disappear without reason or rhyme, many of the recurring themes get abandoned and the slow worldbuilding done in S1 basically gets shelved to keep up with the torrid pace of the plot. Suletta caught up to her mom and sister inside their proverbial Death Star faster than dropping by Miorine's crib at Asticassia. Seems like the only thing that matters is Suletta's relationship with her family, not because the show built up the bond to be that compelling but because everything else got dusted. If the plan all along was to make a snappy two-course banger like IBO though, they failed miserably at it. 

Comander-07 said:
yeah, still not something you can inherently disagree with as its simply what happened in the show.

What do you think Shaddiq has achieved? Why is Elan still around and what is his contribution to the story besides standing around?
What value does Lauda becoming a rival add now that the show is essentially over?