Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Part 2 Episode 10 Discussion

deg said:
Connie did nothing wrong, he and the global alliance are not traitors

Omine did not storyboard this episode so i guess it shows even though he is the episode director

imbAF said:



Connie is a cold blooded murderer. Daz, was shown as a very scared person, but when it came to protect the Trost district, while he was scared as hell, he fought because he had a sister and a family to protect. He then joins the yeagerists, because he things that that way he can protect his family. He was able to survive the terror of the titans only to be killed by some trash, who wants to protect people who want eldians dead. A fucking murderer

deg said:


the global alliance is the lesser evil so lesser murderers in this case

imbAF said:


So I guess if 1000 people want to kill you and your family for no reason at all, you will let them have their way with your family members, simply because they are more in number? You gonna tell your mom to take it because it's more virtuous to do so? Ok Jesus Christ

deg said:


the global alliance is the lesser evil so lesser murderers in this case

Unusual_Kmc said:
Floch's scene with the Azumabito lady was poorly done, but Armin and Connie's scene with the two Jaegerists was awesome, exactly like in the manga.

Also, the 2D titans were INSANE, honestly WIT level. Sucks that they switched back so quickly to the 3D ones.

KneelBeforeMe said:
Remember guys, genocide is only wrong if you succeed and your attempt results in a bigger loss of life. What Marley attempted and failed at on Paradis doesn't count as genocide, it was simply a scuffle!

ooo333 said:
So on what manga chapter did this episode end?

KneelBeforeMe said:
How cute, Connie and Armin allying with Magath, Annie and Marley to kill their paradisian comrades who they've grown up and fought with. The impact an overnight stew can have on your decision making and allegiance is truly underrated. Oh well, it resulted in the best scene of this episode yet I still dislike that moment.

MAPPA didn't even show Kiyomi grabbing Floch's arm to flip him on the ground while he wasn't looking, only the aftermath. They can't stand the Floch slander from Isayama, bless 'em. That whole moment is devoid of logic anyway, Isayama writing yeagerists to be the dumbest jocks alive.

AishaBi said:
I don't like to see yeagerists getting beaten so easily.. feels like isayama didn't bother making them even little bit strong so that alliance will look strong

imbAF said:


And who decided that? Oh...as long as less people are being unjustly wiped out, it;s ok? Wtf kind of logic is that?

AishaBi said:
I don't like to see yeagerists getting beaten so easily.. feels like isayama didn't bother making them even little bit strong so that alliance will look strong

imbAF said:


They have 4 shifters and an ackerman, and the majority of the yeagerists are not trained with ODM gears...

adnan_ said:
FANTASTIC EPISODE. LOVED THE TENSION during Traitor sequence.

It's almost like they are just following what Scouts have already done? To always fight for "humanity"? Ig Scouts should apologize to you for being loyal to what they stand for. It also ain't like they were happy good shoes with Magath LMAO. If not for hange in the previous episode. A conflict would have started. It's not about killing their comrade but more about opposing xenophobia and supporting what Scouts stood for.

And Many of them are rookie recruits, a few of them cowards, like Daz, you can see it in their expression, for many of them the only real battle experience they had was in Marley. In addition, the weapons they have are old, the dispersion is greater than current weapons. All these factors justify the few secs of slow response from the soldiers, just before Mikasa shows up. It's not a big deal.

deg said:


utilitarianism is that kind of philosophy and its the most popular moral philosophy

imbAF said:


So I guess if 1000 people want to kill you and your family for no reason at all, you will let them have their way with your family members, simply because they are more in number? You gonna tell your mom to take it because it's more virtuous to do so? Ok Jesus Christ

imbAF said:



Not really. It's a dumb thing, when you decide who lives and you base that on numbers. Who should live, a group of 100 scientists or 10k prisoners? You decide that, in case you are forced to, by judging the people, what they represent and whether is there a reason to initiate a war against them. In this case, you are siding with racists who decided that people of a certain ethnicity ought to be killed simple because of the crimes committed by their ancestors. It's called generational blame, which is prevalent in North Korea. Congrats, you'd fit right in.

Modernoir said:

You are no better than them for supporting someone going to the very extreme in order to solve a situation that's impossible to entirely solve. Armin and co. have blood on their hands for the attack on Liberio and for killing innocent children and civilians, just like Reiner and co. did in their attacks on the wall. All that will happen if Eren succeeds in his plan is the battlefield becomes small enough to make human extinction inevitable.

Remember that the Great Titan War in the past was the result of Eldian infighting with the titan shifter powers being fought over between different families. The whole reason King Fritz (the one Tybur refers to) committed to his vow of renouncing war was because of the monstrosities his people causedin that entire conflict. You can see through Floch who gets hailed as a "chad" despite being a tragic character for how deluded he is by the effects of the cycle of violence that he misconstrues Erwin's phrase to unify humanity instead to support the pursuit of ignorance and embracing being a monster, justifying the world's fear of them in the first place. It's insane how many people knock the Alliance for actually wanting to put an end to that horrifying cycle, the point IS that they all have blood on their hands because of war, but even with that and their disagreements they can still attempt to fight towards a better future than Eren committing to his grave mistake. Eren has become the same evil as the Smiling Titan except even worse because he KNOWS his actions are wrong while committing to them, hence him telling Reiner "I'm the same as you." It's what makes him a great character but I also think the Allliance hate is tiring and glosses way too much over every part of the story that isn't Eren in a vacuum.

deg said:


faulty comparison again, they are not siding with the 10K criminals in this episode they are siding with like at least 10K innocent people that are brainwashed by Marley and the World Leaders

its Necessary Evil to kill Floch and his gang

sure Utilitarianism is not always right but it is most of the time, its a good rule of thumb and in this case its right again

KneelBeforeMe said:
Remember guys, genocide is only wrong if you succeed and your attempt results in a bigger loss of life. What Marley attempted and failed at on Paradis doesn't count as genocide, it was simply a scuffle!

imbAF said:



BLA BLA BLA...Why don't you skip the lecture and tell me how would Paradis defend against Willy's war, if they wouldn't raid liberio. I am expecting a bullet point list of steps. That should be your next comment

AnarchistCandy said:
My ancestors and family have genocide committed against them daily but I wouldn't wish it on anyone because it doesn't solve the problem itself. Eren's thinking is lacking in complexity because of his lack of awareness of other human influences over his suffering as well as unwillingness in the parties of the story to understand their power in a sociopolitical context together.

AnarchistCandy said:
My ancestors and family have genocide committed against them daily but I wouldn't wish it on anyone because it doesn't solve the problem itself. Eren's thinking is lacking in complexity because of his lack of awareness of other human influences over his suffering as well as unwillingness in the parties of the story to understand their power in a sociopolitical context together.

imbAF said:



How does Paradise survives ?

AishaBi said:
yeagerists clearly had more resources than alliance yet no one from alliance is actually injured except Armin because he's the one who can heal so probably yeagerists have never dealt a single damage.

imbAF said:


So I guess if 1000 people want to kill you and your family for no reason at all, you will let them have their way with your family members, simply because they are more in number? You gonna tell your mom to take it because it's more virtuous to do so? Ok Jesus Christ

adnan_ said:
FANTASTIC EPISODE. LOVED THE TENSION during Traitor sequence.

It's almost like they are just following what Scouts have already done? To always fight for "humanity"? Ig Scouts should apologize to you for being loyal to what they stand for. It also ain't like they were happy good shoes with Magath LMAO. If not for hange in the previous episode. A conflict would have started. It's not about killing their comrade but more about opposing xenophobia and supporting what Scouts stood for.

And Many of them are rookie recruits, a few of them cowards, like Daz, you can see it in their expression, for many of them the only real battle experience they had was in Marley. In addition, the weapons they have are old, the dispersion is greater than current weapons. All these factors justify the few secs of slow response from the soldiers, just before Mikasa shows up. It's not a big deal.

abhiiinaav said:
totally agree with whatever you said

FMmatron said:
Great episode. The tension was real and I take this over the manga any day.





This is a laughably inadequate comparison since Eren wants to kill the entire population including countless innocent people, wanting to stop that is absolutely understandable. It's not like Connie shot Daz in cold blood. He was struggling with tears in his eyes and lost it. There wasn't much of a choice when Daz and Samuel got in the way of their mission. Besides, another second of hesitation could've costed his and Armins life. I will admit, tho, shooting Samuel was overkill and seemed to happen in the heat of the moment. Alas, they're soldiers and if you pick up a weapon you gotta be ready to face the consequences.

imbAF said:


But you don't seem concerned with the world wanting to kill every single eldian. That's not a genocide I guess, right? Or is it and it's wrong? And something should be done to prevent that, and if killing the people who want to kill you is no good, then how does Paradis survive? Clue me in

ZXEAN said:
Why you keep on repeating same shit again and again bro. Yeagerist which is run by bunch of immature trainee can't do a shit against 4 Titan shifter and an Ackerman.

Modernoir said:

By communicating. Did you not watch the last episode at all? How the group has come together despite being enemies because they've been united by something as objectively awful as GLOBAL GENOCIDE? Wars unite countries one way or another, and all wars end with the two conflicts having to talk. Imagine how few lives would be lost if that talking point happened sooner rather than after nukes or in this case pure unfiltered mass murder. Eren is killing people who have NOTHING to do with the conflict related to Eldians, he's worse than the titan that ate his mother at this point. Any solution is better than a genocide on this scale.