Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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rakp333 said: That is not a denial of perfection; that is only a causal explanation of her perfection. Explaining the reasons behind her perfect altruism does not refute it.TheDeedsOfMen said: Emilia came across as too perfect here. The villagers are reluctant to trust her for very unjustifiable reasons, and one of them says to her face that she may be helping them for selfish reasons and that she might be a witch. Emilia is a little upset by it for a few seconds but then appears to genuinely love the villagers and their families in a truly selfless fashion. How about being at least a bit more upset about it? She is used to a much worse treatment (watch the Frozen Bonds OVA for some more context). Something of this level isn't nearly enough to faze her anymore. And Subaru's support has given her more confidence now (temporarily atleast). Her outlook has slightly changed from how it was in Season 1 after the final Ep25 scene with Subaru. She'll try harder to get along well with everyone. But no she's not perfect, she's just trying to act stronger. Moreover, she constantly touches the crystal on her chest during that conversation, indicating that Puck is the only family she has now. Moreover, Puck hasn't appeared for last few days which is making her more nervous and anxious. So she can understand and relate with the worries of those villagers separated from their families. Trying to get along with everyone is exactly what a perfectly virtuous altruist would do. Being a little nervous, anxious, or lonely does not make a saint any less of a saint. Only moral controversy would do that. When has Emilia ever made a moral decision that is controversial or at least not extremely altruistic? |
TheDeedsOfMenJul 23, 2020 8:38 AM
| Lol Subaru's dad is exactly like Ichigo's dad xD |
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| When memento played, i got excited. Such a great song. Tom h@ck never fails Villagers friendship was a good scene I like how garfiel's va (pikorin) wasnt too stressed in his voice unlike on other series. Guess he's taking care of his voice now and much better |
"Everyone fails sometimes But dreams won't fade, dreams won't fade Let's chase them as many times as it takes and don't lose Because today after all is today and once you wake up, it'll be a new morning" ~Aqours~ |
SinOfSlothKing said: W8 a goddamn minute....i just saw the MAL page of this second season and i saw i have 0/13 episodes watched.......it will only be 13 episodes? For real? Ah well , at the very least it has little time to fuck it up, so maybe it wont fuck it up at all. You'll get exactly what you want from your investment in the show. It will completely fuck it up by the time cour 2 of Season 2 ends. Check the Related Anime section for clarification. |
| Lousy introduction of a possible relevant character - Witch of Greed -, writer felt it would be cool to portray her as cool and edgy (too bad it feels more like an edgy character that thinks she is cool, eg "oh... are you feeling sick now?", what was that even supposed to mean?), she tells Subaru he has the Sloth's power and he doesn't even stop to ask "what kind of powers do I have? How can I use them? If I kill others Sin Arcbishops will I get their powers? What is the draw back of those powers? What is the vow you want me to take?". This anime is so stupid. |
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| bbbboooooooooooooooooooooorrriiiiiingggggggg, I was so hyped up for this seriously Where are the stakes ? Where is the tension, holy hell this is slow as hell, if bringing Rem back to normal is the main plot of this season why they seem to dodge the subject each single fucking dialogue, and it isn't the main plot, that just confirms those last 3 eps were filled with nothing. It's weird because at the end of all those 3 eps we got cliffhangers that sugested serious shit happening but nope. In just a couple of seconds, threats got annihilated, that witch that gave me so much thrills from the trailer is a fucking dere-type "plz dont ignore my speech uwu" garbage character, at least we got some more lore that's what I wanted Really hope this past segment will be interesting because we are surely way afar the GOAT from ep15 of s1, even if we're still early I need to get more than what we have nom |
| Can someone explain me please why Echidna licked her hand? im fine with spoilers |
rakp333 said: Trying to get along with everyone is exactly what a perfectly virtuous altruist would do. Being a little nervous, anxious, or lonely does not make a saint any less of a saint. So, she should've started arguing with the villagers that time? Or run away? fight against them? All of this doesn't work. There was a time she completely freaked out (and lost control of her powers) when a family of 3 called her "witch" and accidentally ended up killing one of them. (Frozen bonds OVA). She just many has regrets. Now she has given up on fighting back. She fears loneliness and isolation, longs for affection and wants to be treated kindly. Hence she tries to treat others in similar way. Just an act of compassion. Getting upset, anxious, nervous etc is the maximum she can do now. Moreover, deep inside she fears actually having a connection to the "evil witch" (she doesn't remember anything about her own origins, she has amnesia and remembers only past 6-7 years of her life). So she tries hard (going out of her way) to act more saint-like. Trying to justify to herself (more like she wants to convince herself) that she's not evil. That she's not a bad person. She could have stated her plans to help less nicely. Of course, it wouldn't have made sense strategically, but she is characterized here to say what she does not out of personal gain, political manuevering, etc. but because she genuinely wants to say it, so strategic calculations don't go into it. She is portrayed as someone so nice she is willing to take outrageous insults in the face with barely any reaction. If she is being honest here, as portrayed, saying something back would have only been reasonable. Accidental killings aren't a moral flaw in a character because they were not intentional. Besides, these villagers can't reasonably know that it happened, so it doesn't justify their statements. She should be able to factor that in when considering the situation. Also, even if she actually was evil before and simply forgot due to amnesia, it still wouldn't make the current her morally responsible. It wouldn't be the same person anymore. rakp333 said: Only moral controversy would do that. When has Emilia ever made a moral decision that is controversial or at least not extremely altruistic? She dumped Subaru in Ep13. That became somewhat controversial. lol. Subaru was acting like a lunatic. Nobody can reasonably blame her. It was one of the most interesting moments so far, but it wasn't Emilia's fault. rakp333 said: At this moment she's too immature and child-like. Her "selfless, saint-like" behaviour is actually her flaw, and is a by-product of other flaws like insecurities, traumas, stubbornness, fear of loneliness, etc. Her altruistic attitude (even if it's fully justified given her circumstances) invites only trouble. Think of her as a 7 year old immature girl making idealistic claims and having selfless goals. She will change. Slowly but surely. Even I was a selfless righteous person when I was a 12 year old. Now I'm complete opposite. Haha. The narrative only portrays it as a problem when she doesn't have the means to achieve her goals. The goals themselves (e.g. being nice to everyone even when they treat you poorly) have never been questioned so far. I don't see any sign that the narrative thinks she should show more human-like negative emotions when she is insulted. |
Brancy said: Ryuzagi said: Can someone explain me please why Echidna licked her hand? im fine with spoilers I didn't read the source material, but i can only assume she uses her body fluids for her magic. She touched Subarus forehead with the same hand to erase his memories, and she strengthened his compitability with Sloth witch factor using her body fluids as well. Alright thanks, it was pretty confusing cuz Subaru said after that she was really a witch. |
| I want too see next weeks eps and I want to see it now!! |
 To have you, Id give a billion lives A-Chan best girl |
| Two best girls really shined this ep Emilia and Echidna. Echidna was so hilarious 1st time she appeared and offered a tea to Subaru lol I still dont get it what her role in this season and also emilia |
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| Echidna is gonna turn 180 degrees sooner or later. I can feel it. But yeah they're trapped! |
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| A really great episode, really enjoyed it. Didn't expect to like Echidna but I sure as hell do now. Witch waifu indeed. Well that's why Emilia was an instant waifu for Subaru, because if you can see all those action figures he has, THEY'RE ALL WHITE HAIRED. Next episode is going to be interesting let's fucking go. |
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| I just hate how tryhard they want Emilia be the most cuteness and lovely person ever exist, my eyes are rolling every time when she says something... I swear I'm not trying to hate her for no reason, but her lines and her script are so boring... Subaru plays like an stupid child who never talk's to a girl in his life before, like wtf. The first season whas soooooooooooo much better in countless aspects. I'm about to drop this show. |
| Among the many many questions I have after this episode, I like that you can see Subaru definitely has a type with all those figures in his old bedroom Also, I'm getting so many theories from this "sin":  Is this why people hate the beast races so much? |
| why is witch of greed in windows xp loool |
| too lewd Echidna! bodily fluid of hers? omg love juice! lolz 5/5. |
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| Can we trade Emilia for Rem pls? ty. |
Dekondz said: I just hate how tryhard they want Emilia be the most cuteness and lovely person ever exist, my eyes are rolling every time when she says something... I swear I'm not trying to hate her for no reason, but her lines and her script are so boring... Subaru plays like an stupid child who never talk's to a girl in his life before, like wtf. The first season whas soooooooooooo much better in countless aspects. I'm about to drop this show. OMG really that's annoying you ?? lol what happens when you watch the all girls show when they act more cringy ?? |
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-Mae- said: How come whenever Emilia is about to be in the spotlight she ends up asleep? I know Subaru is the MC, but damn let Emilia shine for once. I'm starting to get annoyed at her being sidelined as a damsel in distress. At least she got a good moment with the villagers. Nevertheless, I did enjoy this episode. I hope we see more of Echidna in the future. Subaru fell asleep twice too and you aren't treating that as whole of his screentime. Besides he was only unconscious for like a minute and at very end of the episode. Emilia good amount of focus between all that which was far more than those short instances. |
Dekondz said: I just hate how tryhard they want Emilia be the most cuteness and lovely person ever exist, my eyes are rolling every time when she says something... I swear I'm not trying to hate her for no reason, but her lines and her script are so boring... Subaru plays like an stupid child who never talk's to a girl in his life before, like wtf. Spoiler alert, he didn't....much of a surprise right? yeah thats what i would have guessed lol |
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| holy shit this anime is fucking cringe I need to be 10 years younger to be able to watch it |
rakp333 said: Saku_k said: It often feels like Emilia only exists to be Subaru's object of affection. Wait, what? Are you serious? You've read all the novels and still feel this? Most (probably all) of the mysteries are indirectly or directly connected to her, and the main driving plot points of the show revolve around her (royal selection, Witch Cult/Satella ). Again, you are conflating other things with her character. Mysteries and Emilia herself are two different things. The mysteries can be super interesting without Emilia herself being an interesting character. I actually am quite interested in the many mysteries myself. Why do you think Rem is so popular? Because of her backstory? Rem is popular because people like her character. They enjoy seeing her interactions with Subaru and/or other people. They like her character design. Emilia's backstory, or mysteries related to her, doesn't somehow make her a better written character. My absolute favourite scene with Emilia is back when she fought with Subaru. She actually showed some real personality, and I feel the scene was well written. However, that kind of Emilia is not common. Moreover, she plays very pivotal roles in resolving the conflicts that arise from now on. I don't see how you got the impression that she's just there as a trophy for Subaru, unless you're an anime-only. First off, "conflicts that arise from now on?" You realise we are on Arc 4 with the anime right now, and the source material only goes up to Arc 6, which isn't finished yet, right? So when you say "from now on", there is literally only the current arc and the next one that you could be talking about. Second, she doesn't really play any more of a pivotal role than any other major character. I was going to name names here of characters who play important roles just as much if not more so than Emilia going forward, but it could be considered spoilers so I won't. But you should know who I mean. While she obviously has a bigger role than the arcs where she was basically not even present in the first half, that's not exactly saying much. The author feels the same, hence Emilia never got her backstory flushed out in S1. (instead it was made into OVA as a complementary thing) You can't really act like you know what the author feels. Almost no characters got a backstory in S1, not even Subaru. The current arc is basically a backstory bargain bin sale. Jagd84 said: Whether something is boring or not is subjective. All this just means you is that she doesn't appeal to you regardless of how much depth she has or what her backstory is. Nobody can do anything about that. Plenty of people find Subaru or Rem boring too backstories or not. Besides plenty of people liked Emilia even before they got to know more about her and don't find her awkward at least no more than Subaru or any other character. Not to mention being the 2nd most popular character account for something. No character is inherently and universally likable. Ironically there is more you can talk more Emilia moreso that Betty who hasn't done anything to be interesting (FYI I actually like her) other than be a tsundere. Her potential connection with Geuse one of the major villains of the story is what is intriguing more because it is unexpected. Of course it is subjective, and of course people may find Subaru or Rem boring. The poster I was replying to was lamenting the fact that nobody seems to be interested in Emilia's backstory, or at the very least, people are more interested in learning about Subaru and Beatrice's backstory than Emilia. I think the logical assumption would be that more people are interested in those characters over Emilia. Also, out of curiosity, but do you have a link to any recent official character popularity poll? The only one I could find was from 2014, and the vote numbers were to insignificant to take seriously (Rem was first with a whopping 18 votes). |
North25 said: Xander_Cage said: I get that the questions I will raise will be answered eventually, that's what I like about it. But those questions should be like 'so this is what happened... what's the reason behind this?', rn I'm like 'I don't get what has happened..My mind is not clear,I'm confused' question. i dont get it, you essentially just commented it should be like ´´Oh that s what happened! wait why did that happen?´´ so you think it should be explained but not be explained? I guess I didn't word it correctly. My bad. So what I'm trying to say is that(again, I'll try to word it properly to my best) I want the questions I raise to be like 'I understood what has happened and there is more to it like some mystery' and not like 'I don't get a single thing of what just happened. I'm completely confused. What is this random stuff?'. So, to put it simply think of a game and its rules. I want to be like 'I get these are the rules and I'm waiting to see out the game turns out' and not like 'I don't understand even a single rule. what is this game?' I basically didn't understand the conv between emilia and garfiel like what does he mean? why is she doing this Randall that stuff? Anyway, other guys helped me with it so now I'm clear. |
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| Really good episode. Echidna is so cute. Our lil Ram is here as well with her Barusu. lol. |
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anime-prime said: there are a few youtuber who explains some stuff incase youre not rewatching it. i recommend "Echidnut" and "chibireviews"And it all happened to be a big bad dream. Subaru woke up and lived happily ever after with his dad. The End. But seriously, there was a lot of dialogue and I will probably require a re-watch to gather all of the necessary information from this episode. Highlights were the witch and Subaru meeting and the dad giving Subaru the old Isshin Kurosaki treatment. |
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| i personally think this ep is good, and my enjoyement overall for season is steadily increasing. i was really afraid that white fox studio unable to truly capture what makes ARC 4 so good among the novel readers, and so far they doing quite ok job. |
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-Mae- said: Jagd84 said: Subaru fell asleep twice too and you aren't treating that as whole of his screentime. Besides he was only unconscious for like a minute and at very end of the episode. Emilia good amount of focus between all that which was far more than those short instances. What do you mean? When Subaru is asleep, we see his point of view. When Emilia is asleep, we don't see her point of view. That's the difference between the two. My main frustration is more about how this trial would have been the perfect opportunity to give our Heroine Emilia some more spotlight and development. Of course, I haven't read the LN so I don't know what ends up happening with this trial. Maybe she does get her chance to shine after all. Exacrly. Do you understand how unfair comparison is? Emilia getting spotlight doesn't Subaru stop being the POV character. S1 managed give focus other characters like Rem without touching on her POV but once. This were scene where died or wasn't in focus much but largely part of main conflict We don't need to be Emilia's head or have her there 90% of time for her conflict taking place. After who is one in charge of liberating Sanctuary, Emilia not Subaru. That doesn't mean he's or any of the other characters not getting any focus. You basically complaining about Emilia not taking over Subaru screentime which was never going to happen. THis episode and the arc is going be about a bunch of things not just literally her. Whether she unconscious or not one screen is irrelevant because he author can simply writing in a scene where isn't present like he did for other characters through S1. Emilia's going get her time to shine in this arc, but while of 25 eps is not going to be about her. She's not protagonist, she will be like every other character in the show and sharing the limelight while dealing with a specific conflict. |
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