Sword Art Online: Alicization Episode 6 Discussion

GuidedCursor said:
"1,000 AI NPC "Lives" on computer are worthless."
>Asuna : "I'm angry as hell"

*a couple thousands people died during SAO*
>Asuna : "At least I've spent some quality time with Kirito."

Perfect__Cell said:
I'm sorry can someone explain to me why everyone loves this so much. This concept seems ridiculous and so over the top. The show throws your generic scifi words like flux and quantum around to make it seem scientific but everything they're saying is just stupid. A gov employee looked at a vr headset and thought "this technology has the potential to upend the notion of war".??? how lol I'm not the biggest SAO fan but i went into this with an open mind but after 4 episodes of cutting down a tree this exposition dump just felt lazy and completely unrealistic.

LaughingCoffinx said:


"completely unrealistic" At what point did you forget you were watching anime and got the idea that it's not completely realistic.

Mattinator95 said:


Plus it's science- fiction

Perfect__Cell said:
Saying its sci fi or anime doesnt excuse its mediocre story telling. Its not like this takes place in some alternative reality this is basically video games in the next few decades. The world they live in isn't really any different from what we have now. In that sense the fact that all these characters should have major trauma from what has happened to them yet everyone brushes off death as no big deal. The characters themselves are unrealistic because unless they completley lack any empathy for anyone else they should be to affraid to ever go near a video game again. Also the story for this cutting down the tree was beyond boring.

Pedram said:


Brah, you call them unrealistic coz they don't have any trauma...

let me tell u my own opinion, Well i am a Real person am i not ?
if SAO happen in Real Life, and even if i know beforehand that if i login, i will be stuck in a death game !

THERE IS NO WAY, I do not choose to do it !
they were able to live in such a cool floating castle for 2 years and have such a nice adventure, sure ppl die, sure many innocent died, but was it my fault ? no !

so why should i feel bad or sad about it ? I will login, get stuck ! and enjoy my life in there. if i can save someone i see in danger, I will try to save him/her. otherwise not my fault.

also, there is no way i would feel the slightest amount of hate toward Kayaba, coz he let me experience such a great adventure ! Sure, if i was in his place I could not bring myself to kill innocent people and sure what he did was terrible, but for me it was great. so I would be thankful !


the only ever hesitation I could ever think of having ! is that my Death in the game would make my family and friends sad.
but I'm sure they all want me to be happy, and that's how I will be happy. so i would send them message and apologize, but ask them to be happy for me and not sad.

call me a degenerate or whatever, but I'm sure i'm not the only one who can think like this.
I'm not even a kid, I'm 25 years old getting my Master Degree in a few month.

the SAO Survivors might not have wanted to be stuck in a game from the start like me, but they were able to adopt and overcome it and make it their 2nd life.
those who were not able to overcome it and get over their trauma, never left "town of the beginning" they always stay in floor 1 and u can bet they all have trauma and never touching any video game ever again !

but those who went to the top floors and live their life in SAO like Kirito's group. would not have any hate for that place.

TodAboT said:

Wow. An absolutely crazy response.

You are eventually going to find somebody that you will need to kill.
How do you even brush off the fact that you've killed people?

"Hey I was forced to kill them but at least I got to have fun in a giant castle"

You're most likely mentally ill. Get some help.

TodAboT said:

Wow, Pedram. An absolutely crazy response.

You are eventually going to find somebody that you will need to kill.
How do you even brush off the fact that you've killed people?

"Hey I was forced to kill them but at least I got to have fun in a giant castle"

Even if you didn't kill anybody, the person that trapped you in a game is intentionally killing people.

You're most likely mentally ill. Get some help.

TodAboT said:

So you wouldn't be traumatized even if you killed someone?
Wow, Pedram.

Pedram said:


Don't change what i said, I said If i ever had to kill someone in self-defense, i would feel the same way as if i kill someone in self-defense in Real life.

Will I be traumatized or not ? I can't really tell, you can't say some things for sure until you actually experience them.
But what I was saying is, that game is not about killing ppl, It's not like Btoom ! where u had to kill everyone else to survive and leave the Island.

it's a PvE game, and there is a lot of IF to force me into killing someone and if that happen that's only in self defense, no different than Real life when Shit happens.

anyway, we are going off-topic, original discussion was about trauma over game ! and not over killing someone.
plus this whole topic is kind of off-topic as well, so Let's end it here.

Tougen said:


To be fair with the two of you, no, a huge chunk of people wouldnt be traumatized for killing someone else, even if not for self defense, specialy since theres no blood or anything involved in the actual killing. People being traumatized or not, is not realy a bad storypoint. But how saying 'going into a death game fantasy adventure would be fun', yeah, it wouldnt, and with that mindset you wouldnt last much at all. But for people to be able to clear it, SAO has to be a ridiculously easy mmo, since anyone who ever played an mmorpg in their lives would know, even for the best of the best who play said mmorpg, its IMPOSSIBLE to clear a raid boss on their first try, even the best players of the game usualy take a month or at least a few weeks of dying constantly to clear a new boss.

But lets go through some of the actual HORRIBLE story points, just of the first half of the first season, shall we?

-Kirito hacking the game itself to save his girlfriend's virtual tamagochi daughter. Specialy considering he pulled out that skill out of his arsehole, and how hacking the prison game from inside the goddamn game souds stupid. Not to mention that if he could hack the goddamn thing to bring back data....why not bring back the goddamn log out button instead?! Because fuck you, thats why.

Yeah, the series has a fucking horrible story, the animation however is top notch, and the only reason i cope up with all the bullshit they always trow at us...Each season the ammount of BS they trow at us only gets worse, season 2 was even worse than the first one when it comes to stupid plot points, and aparently season 3 is going for the same. But at least the action only improved.

edit= And lets talk about how fucking terrible every villain of the series has ever been, will we? Its either a complete psychopath, or a rapist psychopath that are all completely mad. This series has the most badly written villains on any media i have ever seen, even cartoons for children or power rangers manage to present more belieavable and better villains.

BurningSpirit said:
Sorry, wait they are still on that off-shore facility right? I like how Asuna came all the way here just to pop back into the game to have a chit chat with her friends back in Japan, about highly confidential top level military secrets on a game that most likely logs their conversations no less. I'm not sure that scene even added anything to the plot anyways. I swear they just wanted to flash as all the characters for a little while, but didn't really think it through.

Mattinator95 said:
By the looks of the epiosde 7 preview images A-1 are completey skipping a part and going straight to the time skip

Chrome_Falcon said:

Yeah. I kind of expected that from the episode title revealed in the last episode. What worries me is that they are probably going to rush through the first part of the story that spans 6 volumes in 25 episodes and do next 4 volumes in another 25 episodes.

Pedram said:


Yeh it would sucks greatly if they skip it ... they already skip the part about Kirito's Sword and idk how they gonna show it !

there is still a bit of hope tho... remember EP5 titled Ocean Turtle, and Asuna got inside Ocean Turtle at the end !
maybe next EP title is also about end of the EP, and first half of EP we get some other stuff :|

HiraKey said:


Yeah agree with you guys, I was dissapointed when they reveal some pictures from next episode, they skip so many parts from novel :((

Thank god i read the novel, so I can enjoy the story more from novel

Made-In-Heaven said:
I agree with Asuna on this one. If the only thing that separates them from normal human beings are their bodies but everything else is the same then they deserve the same rights as us. You can make fun of me for this but you better not start to cry and beg for mercy if one day you find out you're also artificial human beings who live in a simulation and the real humans see you as nothing more than an experiment they can easily delete by the push of a button.

Besides that Eugeo is my favorite character and he's way more human than Kikuoka so the series did already a good job to make me care much more about the life of an artificial human soul than I could ever give any damn about the "real" human characters.

Tougen said:


But lets go through some of the actual HORRIBLE story points, just of the first half of the first season, shall we?

-Kirito hacking the game itself to save his girlfriend's virtual tamagochi daughter. Specialy considering he pulled out that skill out of his arsehole, and how hacking the prison game from inside the goddamn game souds stupid. Not to mention that if he could hack the goddamn thing to bring back data....why not bring back the goddamn log out button instead?! Because fuck you, thats why.

Pedram said:

imo it's a stupid plothole created for no reason but to give some side-character some screen time :|

SlayerGoury said:


There was plenty of such in this title before, so no need to be frustrated even more when you see another one.
The original story in relatively fine, but the anime is relatively shit.

Pedram said:


well tbh, I didn't notice any big problem in this Season 3, until this one, so for season 3 this is the only one for now.

but yeh you reminded me ... anime always ruin stuff, like the whole "Jesus-kun" title of Kirito is anime only.
it all start after his final fight with Kayaba coz of how anime animated it :|
In novel, Kirito suddenly start moving again and attacking Kayaba after he got a fatal damage and his hp start to go toward zero, His rage and determination to kill him start at 5% of his hp left, and he start moving and attacking right after he saw the "you are dead" message while he was "not feeling so good" lol while he was feeling that his body is little by little shattering. it all happen in a matter of sec.
this is almost the same as Asuna, that should have been paralyzed by Kayaba and should have not been able to move, but she did.
but stupid anime just either could not animate it well or just wanted to add to the hype by having kirito completely disappear ! and then come back in a ghost form as jesus-kun to finish kayaba lol

-Riptide- said:


You gotta admit that a lot of stuff Kirito does is pretty bullshit even after the Aincrad arc. Even though it was explained properly they just felt like asspulls

Pedram said:


well there is a difference with a bit of asspull and a full blown asspull. anime normally make it look too dramatic and unbelievable lol
even the goblin fight in this season they show kirito too OP compare to novel.

but you have to also admit, most of the things kirito do is not much different than other anime/movies.
these "bullshits" always are there for any of the big series MC as well like Naruto Bleach Fairy Tail etc.

or for example people complain about Kirito deflect bullets with his lightsaber... even tho it's established canon that in Star War people can deflect bullet with their lightsaber.

or ppl complain why kirito is so OP in ALO, even tho it's obvious... he had his stat from Aincrad where he was a lvl 96 player after full time playing for 2 years ! and he came to a game where ppl only play on their free time and is not out for a whole year yet ! ofcourse he is OP compare to them lol

Pedram said:
I didn't notice any big problem in this Season 3, until this one

SNDT said:
pseudoscience bullshit about AI...

-Riptide- said:


I agree that the goblin fight was a bit exaggerated compared to the novel but there are times even in the novel that are asspulls.

Saying that Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail and other popular shows does it doesn't mean it's not a fair criticism specially since SAO is more of a Sci-Fi while the others mentioned are Fantasy with superpowers.

Lol Jedi train their whole lives and can sense the Force. That's why they can deflect lightsaber. I don't recall Kirito ever going through that kind of training. The gameplay of GGO was clearly designed by the author so that Kirito can deflect bullets with his sword.

I understand that Kirito has his SAO stats when he played ALO so I'm not complaining with that.

Even in later parts of Alicization there are times when Kirito just somehow wins or holds his own against stronger opponents.

Look I like SAO and I'm enjoying reading Alicization right now (currently at volume 16) but I can't ignore the fact that Kirito still had a lot of bullshit moments that felt like asspulls.

Pedram said:


well yeh I also agreed that there is some asspull in SAO but what i meant is it's not too much compare to many other popular things we see. and anime also always exaggerate things.

well anyway, a side note about Alicization tho, that world is a total fantasy world with no programing law or limitation as it's not completely built by data or The Seed, it's only have a overhaul by Seed so the Rath people can see it from their monitor as was mentioned in the novel.

So with the whole "Incarnation" thingy in UnderWorld make pretty much anything possible and can even give a valid explanation to Natsu's nakama power up lol
but the Good thing about Alicization is that it's used by other ppl from UnderWorld way more and better than Kirito for most times and the enemy also have the same power. so it wont look asspull or a cheat for Kirito only.

HiraKey said:


Yeah agree with you guys, I was dissapointed when they reveal some pictures from next episode, they skip so many parts from novel :((

Thank god i read the novel, so I can enjoy the story more from novel

-Riptide- said:


No, Underworld is not a total fantasy world. It's a virtual world with a fantasy setting. Rath themselves created it. And what do you mean no programming law or limitation? Their "magic" itself is a programming command as evidenced by the System Call chant.



Fairy Tail has bullshit power ups. Everyone knows that. Comparing other asspulls to it isn't a valid argument.

Pedram said:


ok edited my post and added spoiler, although no one would figure what it is unless they know a bit about it.

and yeh I word my comment extremely badly now that i look at it lol Underworld is full of programing law and limitation. but what i meant was it's not all completely restricted by One and Zero.

-Riptide- said:


It's still a spoiler since it gives clues/insights to future events.

HeroicHealer said:

Edit: I didn't do personal attacks on you, I called you moron because you're acting like one. Calling someone for acting stupid isn't really a personal attack. I'm literally trying to prevent and stop you from acting like a fool.

Although, you did make a completely different account, that obviously is a troll account. But if I said that I might hurt your feelings too. Get over it dude, come here with your real account, otherwise you're just spamming dude. There's like a guy in this forum calling others "fangay" I mean did you expect me to write to him and cry about it? LOL. There's plenty of people criticizing every single anime show out there, not that I care. Post all you want.

You know what they say, don't like the anime? Don't watch it, go make your own and quit whining.

Askore said:
if it was the real world a single person informing the press about this "project" and the whole thing would be insantly shut down with japan regarded as an insane inhuman country by the rest of the world for the next 50 years

but this is anime so i guess it's alright, they're just AIs xddd let's torture them and shit

Withoutaname said:


well P.R.I.S.M. wasn't shut down even after it was leaked

HeroicHealer said:

If I wasn't why TF would I mention it? Of course it's basic that's why I told him how it works. Why are you getting triggered for? That post wasn't even mentioning or tagging you? Triggered little turd.

Take your fat-sack of rancid horsehit arse out of this forum if you can't handle someone posting something here. There's plenty of people posting criticism or praising the show, what the hell are you so triggered about?

HeroicHealer said:


When did I called "everyone a moron"? I specifically tagged that individual not you, my post are tagging the person concerned it's simple as that - it never did involve "everyone" in it. Post any crap all you want, quit tagging for stuff which ended up triggering you, when it never was intended for you. Get it through your thick head, you troll.

I don't need to prove myself to you, I already have a friend which I talk about programming over here regularly. If you're looking to start a flame-war you're in the wrong place. Also, quit asking stupid questions you're looking silly over here, questioning a programmer without knowing what his programming language is and field of interest. Seriously, you're a weird one. That's for sure.

HeroicHealer said:


I think I've already told you that I consider you a troll and you're wasting my time with your spam tagging me. Let me make it easy for you, I'm not interested in talking or holding a discussion with you. I never used that movie as a reference, heck, I've never even seen it. Just saw the trailer. Why the hell would I use a movie for my reference? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I talked to similar user, but it never was mentioned in discussion. I'm thinking you might be that person (Mattinator95), if not him, you certainly don't even know what you're going on about, perhaps you were lurking in the discussion to look for something you can point out for your advantage is discussion. Well that failed miserably for you.

Tougen who was shitposting here earlier, I only had him tagged but you keep picking fights with me for no reason.

What I wrote was correct you show can it to your computer science teacher, heck, show it to your English teacher, she/he might tell you the definition of Science-Fiction. Read the dictionary, I know I did before posting over here. The posts are 100% correct and never used any movie reference, pure basic CS 101 for the dude to understand. I even gave a good lecture on English.

It was never intended for you, that discussion was with someone else I already told you, Mr.Troll. Now leave me alone, you're annoying me. I'm gonna say this the last time, stop tagging and spamming with your nonsensical post, it's annoying. Like I said, you're the one tagging me for a post which never mentioned you. Get it through your head!

You can be tough and write all you want behind your computer, heck, even make the personal attack on me like you're doing over here "The problem is you have so much Dunning-Kruger up your ass you can't even see your own childishness" - but when I say something or retaliate you whine and cry about it.

You write up a huge paragraph without even reading mine and then go on about me being mean to someone. When again, he had it coming, he was shitposting and everyone in the forum knew it. I'm not alone on this, all of the people that were here caught on.

Quit tagging me, I repeat quit tagging my posts, quit it. I never mentioned you and I'm NOT interested in talking with you or holding a discussion. What I did was correct.

HeroicHealer said:

Take your fat-sack of rancid horsehit arse out of this forum if you can't handle someone posting something here.