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| I like it better than the original to be honest. The beauty of the story is that Kino is so mysterious. You are just not sure what she will do at any given point. Well done. Good episode. |
| I ... This was my favorite arc from the original, which made me fall in love with Shizu, but there was just so little time to get attached to these characters. They really should have gone with a two-parter for this, there was just SO MUCH in this story that was really left out ;'< I'm... disappointed. But I still enjoy that Shizu's overall gentleness, and his character from the original was preserved, which was thus very much loved and appreciated. I'm... still disappointed though. Was really looking forward to how they were going to reinterpret this chapter/arc |
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Nyron said: Vindicater said: I like it better than the original to be honest. The beauty of the story is that Kino is so mysterious. You are just not sure what she will do at any given point. Well done. Good episode. The beauty of the show is the philisophy and atmosphere, of which this show had none Kino was mysterious and had great characterization in the original. In this version she is both generic and a psychopath. So far all we've seen her do is fight and shoot and eat cake. In the original, it led off with the three rabbits story and it was a really strong introduction to her character and her daily life, and showed how she felt. Kino in this series is just "tralala i like to shoot i kill now lol :)" Its not good Sod off with your shit opinion Oh no. How will I ever deal with you thinking my opinion is shit??? My life is meaningless. Oh the pain. Oh the tragedy. |
| That was a great episode again. Kino and Hermes went to this town which was supposed to be like a wonderland, but it turned out it ain't. It was the town that couple they met before went. Unfortunately, the wife killed her husband over a match. Jeez. Kino won all his match since most of them yielded. Lmao. Then the final fight was with a guy named Shizu who's apparently the son of the current King who killed his own father who's the previous king, so Shizu was there to win the match and kill his own father, but Kino with the help of Shizu shot the current King. Ugh it'll be glorious if we saw his exploded brain. Haha. Awww that inu is so cute and he can talk. Hajimemashite, Riku! ❤ I hope we get to see more of those two in the future. They're both cute. Shizu is a babe. :D |
     "Maybe he's trying to take a shit, but the shit just won't come out." Captain Levi, 2014 (／^-^)／☆♪  ♪☆＼(^０^＼) |
| I wonder if people know what a time constraint mean, blaming a sole episode wasn't as much detailed as the two ones of 2003's. Nyron said: This episode was a series of scenes with no context, featuring characters I don't care about, in a location I don't care about, because the show spent no time introducing anything or giving me any reason to care. the episode had no mood or emotion at all and no moral to the story. It was shittily written, dude. Don't defend it. Can you tell me what this story is about? What's the original intent? What do you think of the woman who lost her husband and still tell Kino to visit this country? (2003 vs 2017) |
| Sometimes i feel like it is so much better not knowing the original source or the first version (for me) cause i'm enjoying this anime or the start of it. Quite a nice opening, looked beatiful with a decent song. The part in the end where Hermes is getting jealous of Riku was pretty funny, i assume we'll see them again. Really reminds me of Ou dorobou Jing, one of my first anime that i watched, the same theme pretty much journey with the morale in the end. |
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| THis episode was so great !!! I wonder if the original Kino is as good as this !!. I might check it one day, but the awful character design and less colorful visuals make it harder to watch the older one. The new kino look better than the old one |
| Wow, this went to shit surprisingly quickly. Not that I had high expectations after episode one, but I guess the series managed to turn out even worse than that... |
| I gave the benefit of the doubt on the first episode and see how this will fair, but, I was right with my expectations that this will not be as good as the first one, even if we are not to compare it to the first one. The first episode and the yelling character who wanted to kill and now the guards and afterwards in the Colosseum, this cemented my opinion that it will not be good or just an average show. One thing that stands out, this one and the previous one, and it's easy to see the difference how much anime and the audience has changed. |
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Nyron said: Vindicater said: I like it better than the original to be honest. The beauty of the story is that Kino is so mysterious. You are just not sure what she will do at any given point. Well done. Good episode. The beauty of the show is the philisophy and atmosphere, of which this show had none Kino was mysterious and had great characterization in the original. In this version she is both generic and a psychopath. So far all we've seen her do is fight and shoot and eat cake. If you are going to exaggerate a point at least do it properly. In this new Kino, one of the main problems may be that it offers a contrast that is too obvious when it comes to explore the attitude of Kino. I could understand very easily the personal grudge Kino has against this country from her gestures and reactions to the information she's given alone, if anything the problem of this version is how hard it focuses on making the bad guys look like, you know, bad guys. Nyron said: In the original, it led off with the three rabbits story and it was a really strong introduction to her character and her daily life, and showed how she felt. Kino in this series is just "tralala i like to shoot i kill now lol :)" Yes, it is like this, if you don't pay attention at all to the pauses, the reactions, the cinematography, the gestures and the silences of Kino, and much more significant, the contrast that is present through this. It's not really that hard to spot that something was wrong with Kino the moment she was talking with those who welcomed her to the country. And in the end I agree that it lacks explanation on the specifics, and perhaps (maybe the most) emphasis. But no need to sell something much lower than it is to make such point. |
| dem , I just love Kino more and More. She is amazing character. Well then, even something off from 2003's version, I still prefer this version. The art is a pleasant to my eyes. |
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| Catchy the opening. The narration is just like the previous, too fast in the rhythm, but at the end of the episode Kino's doubts are unveiled. Yay! |
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| Having watched the previous version few days ago this story arc was completely butchered, RIP this adaptation. |
| what the hell, what a disappointment. they didnt show any of the extra characterization we got in the original, just wanted to show the violence because it was violence. |
| Even though this episode was more faithful towards the novel, It's actually a basic mistake in directing a show that "what the source said must be so". It never is a good idea to just blatantly taking a story from the source and just use it as a manuscript for an adaptation. A sentence in a paragraph might take a whole minute just to express it, and a whole page can be expressed in a single scene. |
| What the heck was that? This is a remake of the episode in the old series but here they just skipped all the interesting stuff.. The original one was a two-parter and here everything was rushed. I liked it, but I much prefer the original. |
It's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. |
| I watched and enjoyed the original, and I am also enjoying this. I don't mind an abridged version of this particular story if the original still exists; perhaps by doing so, they can squeeze in an extra episode of a story I haven't experienced yet (I have not and will not read the source material). By the way, what's with that "review" on the front page? How do you review an entire show after two episodes? They shouldn't even let you post one until the series is done; if you want to express your displeasure in the meantime, that's what your 1-10 list rating should be for. The guy also sounds psychotic, and like he enjoys using the word "shit" way too much. |
LILYRANK said: "This version is more faithful to the novels than the 2003 version!" ... So? I don't understand the logic behind that argument at all. How does being more faithful make it a better telling of the story than the 2003 version? I couldn't care less if the 2003 version wasn't faithful to the novels if it meant I got a stronger story in the process. I'm not saying you're not allowed to like this version more, but saying it's better just because it's more faithful is a pretty weak argument. It's a relevant argument because people here are comparing it to the 2003 version and saying it's a bad remake when this judgement should be done in regards to the novel, which is the source this episode is based on and not the old anime. No doubt that regardless of that there are many valid reasons to criticize this episode. |
| I was surprised at Kino's new rule because I thought she would just say something so they could all end up reforming and living in peace again but huh, this is quite interesting. I guess she did that because they're all messed up anyways, with the whole "Kill him! Kill him! Kill him!" chant too. I'm really liking this series so far. It makes me think about a lot of things. I've heard the phrase "The world isn't beautiful, therefore, it is" used with this series a lot but I also liked when Hermes said "The world isn't beautiful, but it sure is vast" I'm planning on watching the original but I'm sure I'll love both, even if they're kinda different :) I'm just glad this version was made because it made me stop stalling on watching the original Kino. |
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| I actually liked this slightly more than the old Kino colosseum arc. It clearly has some problems on plenty of fronts but maybe because I despised the old colosseum arc so much I was happy to get through it quickly lol |
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jal90 said: LILYRANK said: "This version is more faithful to the novels than the 2003 version!" ... So? I don't understand the logic behind that argument at all. How does being more faithful make it a better telling of the story than the 2003 version? I couldn't care less if the 2003 version wasn't faithful to the novels if it meant I got a stronger story in the process. I'm not saying you're not allowed to like this version more, but saying it's better just because it's more faithful is a pretty weak argument. It's a relevant argument because people here are comparing it to the 2003 version and saying it's a bad remake when this judgement should be done in regards to the novel, which is the source this episode is based on and not the old anime. No doubt that regardless of that there are many valid reasons to criticize this episode. I think what the poster was trying to say, is that making it an adaptation, a "faithful" one does not mean automatically that it's going to be better than the one that wasn't following the adaptation more closely; better to adapt it for the audio-visual medium that it is, than adapt like book, because that's rarely ever working, if it works at all. And even as a standalone, disregarding the existence of the old anime, this is still pretty bad, as it is quasi-philosophy without any depth/research behind it. |
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| As a first timer it was enjoyable. Would have dragged a bit if it was longer imo |
| Terrible episode. Kino was completely illogical and I couldn't feel a thing for the king or the participants of the coliseum. It gave me no reason to. |
ouriel said: jal90 said: It's a relevant argument because people here are comparing it to the 2003 version and saying it's a bad remake when this judgement should be done in regards to the novel, which is the source this episode is based on and not the old anime. No doubt that regardless of that there are many valid reasons to criticize this episode. I think what the poster was trying to say, is that making it an adaptation, a "faithful" one does not mean automatically that it's going to be better than the one that wasn't following the adaptation more closely; better to adapt it for the audio-visual medium that it is, than adapt like book, because that's rarely ever working, if it works at all. And even as a standalone, disregarding the existence of the old anime, this is still pretty bad, as it is quasi-philosophy without any depth/research behind it. Of course not, but people are not bringing this argument for no reason. This comparison should only apply in terms of quality, to say that they left out stuff from the 2003 version is wrong because it's not based on that one. It's an important clarification to make and to observe both versions as fundamentally different and independent from each other, with their respective qualities or flaws, whichever the case it is. The point is precisely on your last expression, "even as a standalone". If we don't treat is as a standalone we are missing the point, and likely expecting a standard that was not the goal to start with. That said, I'm all for criticizing the episode on its own merits or, in this case that seems to have garnered a quite negative response, flaws. |
EdHaku said: Kino was completely illogical. Can you develop this statement for me please? :o |
| Abysmal episode, I cant help but hate that hypocrite Kino, also the underlaying message was horrible "revenge makes right" so a couple died? Kill everyone from that country... This wasnt the only problem, fights were super lame and honestly couldnt care less about anything that happened in this so called country, the whole thing feelt like something that I saw thousands time already. The patronising style just rubs me in very wrong way, first episode about a "paradise" where people can wield weapons freely and kill those who threat to society, now the second episode continues with the forced agenda, you are right to revenge even if cost thousand of lives. Sorry but this is pure trash, predictable boring empty, and Kino couldnt be more annoying. It had even a touch of comedy, so the little foreigner boy kills a dictator and gets away with it, everybody listening to him, also our the little boy manages to win all the fight without killing opponents, also our little hero manages to exact the perfect revenge on the whole country! Big lol, nice fable! Dropped |
| Dayum, wasn't expecting that at all. I like it the direction this show is going. |
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| Felt like FMA Brotherhood which also seemed a little bit rushed at the very beginning to allow for more new stuff to be added. I don't mind the story being shorter than 2 episodes at all. All I remember from the first version is that I was dozing off during certain scenes. Besides, I think the 2003 anime also questioned some parts of Kino's morality and made people discuss main character's actions (which weren't completely clear, too). It just shows that Kino is not a perfect human being and can be guided by various emotions and feelings. Anyway, I'm kind of glad that this "arc" has been shortened (or stayed more faithful to the novel). I'm much more interested in the new stories that the studio has to present than going through the same tales twice. If the show continues with the pace and the quality of the first episode, I will be happy enough. |
EnthenOct 14, 2017 1:39 PM
| It was good, but so far I've liked the older anime better. Maybe because they made it a single episode I felt less emotionally connected when Still it was funny/cool how the dog hahaha. It's only the second episode though and like others said maybe it's rushing through stuff we've seen to get to new stuff like FMA Botherhood did. Of course I've never seen the novel. So I have no idea how it compares to that. |
KelsiFinnOct 14, 2017 1:52 PM
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| Wasn't this in the original series? They shouldn't rehash the same content. It will only hurt this new series. |
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| The last survivor is going to be the next king? *starts killing everyone* LMAO |
SaitoInu said: Smudy said: I feel like i'm better off watching this without knowing the original cause this was really interesting to me and i understood what happened (saw the kill king coming as soon as Kino said he won't yield after he kills somebody in this country). Climax was really good. People are saying it was terrible, you guys are pretty biased, aren't you? The original was better, no argument. It was two episodes long. It didn't skip the fights. It fully showed the oppression and slavery of the country. It explained the king's derangement. This was terrible. Your opinion ≠ fact. "no argument" lol. |
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Nyron said: Vindicater said: I like it better than the original to be honest. The beauty of the story is that Kino is so mysterious. You are just not sure what she will do at any given point. Well done. Good episode. The beauty of the show is the philisophy and atmosphere, of which this show had none Kino was mysterious and had great characterization in the original. In this version she is both generic and a psychopath. So far all we've seen her do is fight and shoot and eat cake. In the original, it led off with the three rabbits story and it was a really strong introduction to her character and her daily life, and showed how she felt. Kino in this series is just "tralala i like to shoot i kill now lol :)" Its not good Sod off with your shit opinion Whiny elitist... |
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| I want to say the original did it better, as with a 2-part episode they had more time to flesh out some of the other fighters and learn more about the prince. Not to mention the fights were very exciting to watch and I felt invested. However because I saw the original, this episode feels rather disappointing. You never actually see any of the fights, as Kino's opponents surrender right off the bat, and because they condense everything into about 21 minutes, I can't even get too invested in the characters as they are never fleshed out. It sort of makes me wonder why they even included it at all. On a positive note, so glad to see the longcoat is back. Also, after seeing the original and this episode, I'm still not sure why the wife told Kino that she should go to that country. Was she just trying to trick Kino in the way she was tricked or did she think Kino could have done something. If anyone knows, please leave a reply. |
| Looks like he did though. Jokes on you. |
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