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Nov 9, 2016 8:56 AM
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That's the kind of vibe I get on Mal. Whenever anyone says anything critical about anime people on here are always like it's not for you and it's only for the Japanese so you can't criticize. On Mal it seems it's okay to criticize western entertainment even if you are not from America or Europe but it's not okay to criticize anime if you are not Japanese.
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Nov 9, 2016 9:02 AM
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That seems to be rare around these parts, at least for me. It's a stupid notion and anyone who has it should feel stupid for having it, and I say that sincerely.
Nov 9, 2016 9:06 AM
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That seems to be rare around these parts, at least for me. It's a stupid notion and anyone who has it should feel stupid for having it, and I say that sincerely.
You only joined this year so it would be rare to you.
Nov 9, 2016 9:09 AM
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I think I know what do you mean but I am not sure, care to give an example? not an exact one, just paraphrase it.
Nov 9, 2016 9:10 AM
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CodeBlazeFate said:
That seems to be rare around these parts, at least for me.

As someone who joined 5 years ago to this site, i agreed completely with this statement.
Nov 9, 2016 9:10 AM
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DrGeroCreation said:
CodeBlazeFate said:
That seems to be rare around these parts, at least for me. It's a stupid notion and anyone who has it should feel stupid for having it, and I say that sincerely.
You only joined this year so it would be rare to you.
Even still, I'm pretty active around these parts. Maybe it was prevalent in the past? I dunno. Either way, the "can't criticize anime cuz it's foreign" is about as dumb as Ed from Ed, Edd, and Eddy.
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Praland said:
CodeBlazeFate said:
That seems to be rare around these parts, at least for me.

As someone who joined 5 years ago to this site, i agreed completely with this statement.
Then the internet is at least a bit more sane than I thought.
Nov 9, 2016 9:17 AM
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Darek said:
I think I know what do you mean but I am not sure, care to give an example? not an exact one, just paraphrase it.
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.
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DrGeroCreation said:
Darek said:
I think I know what do you mean but I am not sure, care to give an example? not an exact one, just paraphrase it.
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.


well that was retarded...I see what you mean, it is as I thought, yeah I gotta agree it is a stupid point of view, I don't even know how is that type of logic supposed to work. I suppose it is just people getting too defensive about others opinions being different and trying to dodge it.
Nov 9, 2016 9:25 AM

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DrGeroCreation said:
Darek said:
I think I know what do you mean but I am not sure, care to give an example? not an exact one, just paraphrase it.
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.


...That's not what the OP is actually saying, though. The only people who were saying that were the people who attacked the OP, trying to make out that this is what they were saying when it wasn't.
There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do.
Nov 9, 2016 9:26 AM

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your going to get criticized no mater what you say about anything its a fact of life so YES people are going to Criticize you criticizing anime
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Nov 9, 2016 9:32 AM

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kuuderes_shadow said:
DrGeroCreation said:
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.


...That's not what the OP is actually saying, though. The only people who were saying that were the people who attacked the OP, trying to make out that this is what they were saying when it wasn't.
It is. People like the op and others on Mal think that not liking something or complaining about something in anime means that westerners want to change anime. On Mal it's common for people to be like you are not Japanese so you can't complain about anime because it's not your culture.
Nov 9, 2016 9:33 AM

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For something that "always" happens, I now feel weird because I haven't seen it o_O
And your example doesn't help either because it's nothing like what you are saying
Nov 9, 2016 9:37 AM

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You guys on Mal like to play ignorant as usual.
Nov 9, 2016 9:38 AM
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Cause asians are better than you westerners they cosplay better have less body hair and are prettiest better than you ugly westerners
Im proud to be asian and proud to have superior asian anime
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Nov 9, 2016 9:39 AM

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Darek said:
DrGeroCreation said:
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.


well that was retarded...I see what you mean, it is as I thought, yeah I gotta agree it is a stupid point of view, I don't even know how is that type of logic supposed to work. I suppose it is just people getting too defensive about others opinions being different and trying to dodge it.
Yeah it's a silly line of reasoning and a defense to any kind of criticism of anime.
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DrGeroCreation said:
kuuderes_shadow said:


...That's not what the OP is actually saying, though. The only people who were saying that were the people who attacked the OP, trying to make out that this is what they were saying when it wasn't.
It is. People like the op and others on Mal think that not liking something or complaining about something in anime means that westerners want to change anime. On Mal it's common for people to be like you are not Japanese so you can't complain about anime because it's not your culture.


They made no mention of criticism or complaint at all. That's you reading into their words something that isn't there. Quite impressive given that there's only 18 words there and it's such a straightforward post.

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Cause asians are better than you westerners they cosplay better have less body hair and are prettiest better than you ugly westerners
Im proud to be asian and proud to have superior asian anime


lol. I haven't seen that guy in a while, actually. Is that just because his posts keep getting deleted before I see them?
There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do.
Nov 9, 2016 9:44 AM

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DrGeroCreation said:
You guys on Mal like to play ignorant as usual.
Nah. We've generally never seen people stupid enough to say those arguments, is all.
Nov 9, 2016 9:44 AM

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because westerner have shit taste and have no right to criticize master piece
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Nov 9, 2016 9:46 AM
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well that might have been a bad example but I got what the OP meant

also the asian cosplayers are superior guy has been here once, 1-2 weeks ago declaring Wendy from fairy tail as he's no 3 waifu and that was it.
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DrGeroCreation said:
Darek said:
I think I know what do you mean but I am not sure, care to give an example? not an exact one, just paraphrase it.
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.
The OP of that thread said that, but everyone else disagreed with them. Anime can be and is criticized on MAL. Just think about all the Re:Zero haters.
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kuuderes_shadow said:
DrGeroCreation said:
It is. People like the op and others on Mal think that not liking something or complaining about something in anime means that westerners want to change anime. On Mal it's common for people to be like you are not Japanese so you can't complain about anime because it's not your culture.


They made no mention of criticism or complaint at all. That's you reading into their words something that isn't there. Quite impressive given that there's only 18 words there and it's such a straightforward post.

Mkim said:
Cause asians are better than you westerners they cosplay better have less body hair and are prettiest better than you ugly westerners
Im proud to be asian and proud to have superior asian anime


lol. I haven't seen that guy in a while, actually. Is that just because his posts keep getting deleted before I see them?
acrually yeah
"He" or "someone who pretends to be him appears once is a while but get sniped quiclçy
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Nov 9, 2016 9:54 AM

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It can, everything can be criticized however sometimes those criticisms might be wrong because of ignorance. I found it strange that Ikoma in Kabaneri cut his hair with only one arm and a knife but someone said that cutting your hair represents determination. It was interesting and gave more insight on the action but it is still dumb on how it was executed.

If it can't be criticized because it was only meant for asian people then we westerner shouldn't enjoy anime because it was meant for asian people.
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Nov 9, 2016 12:20 PM

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feminist site criticizing moe ecchi isnt the kind of shit we should give attention to :V

and besides..
being negative critic over chinese cartoons is not good for health
all we are here because we like anime which might imply less time spent on western entertainment.. and from there its not hard to find justifications
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feminist site criticizing moe ecchi isnt the kind of shit we should give attention to :V


Nah, they're just screwed to the fact that... Moe/ecchi is bad, whereas manservice is the one that should exist...
Nov 9, 2016 1:16 PM
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I feel the opposite way. People bitch about anime far too often. SJW this. PC that. Elitist this. Your's sucks that. Etc Etc.
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I think most people see it as American standards shouldn't be pushed on to something that's technically not for Americans.


Anime feminism? Fuck that shit. Keep the identity politics out of it. There's something for everyone, but because those types need control, it's not enough. EVERYTHING needs to cater to them.
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romagia said:
feminist site criticizing moe ecchi isnt the kind of shit we should give attention to :V


Nah, they're just screwed to the fact that... Moe/ecchi is bad, whereas manservice is the one that should exist...
The one that made those 2 articles likes Bakemonogatari a lot, if I am not mistaken it is among her favourites.
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Nah, they're just screwed to the fact that... Moe/ecchi is bad, whereas manservice is the one that should exist...
The one that made those 2 articles likes Bakemonogatari a lot, if I am not mistaken it is among her favourites.


Dude I don't know who are you talking about...

A true feminist= hates manservice and ecchi series. Done.
Nov 9, 2016 1:34 PM

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I see people critisize anime all the time, there is only a small percentage of people that actually think that. The ones saying it usually just say it in defense of their shit taste.
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Everyone's a critic about any type of media, no matter where it's made am I right?
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zal said:
The one that made those 2 articles likes Bakemonogatari a lot, if I am not mistaken it is among her favourites.


Dude I don't know who are you talking about...

A true feminist= hates manservice and ecchi series. Done.
Not that I expected much from you judging from your usual posts but you fall again in the generalization and stereotypes that anime fans have about feminists.

Article about keijo where she calls it deplorable and wretched
http://kotaku.com/girls-fight-with-their-butts-and-boobs-in-this-deplorab-1787657403

comment about bakemonogatari being her favourite anime
http://kotaku.com/i-recognize-that-it-is-certainly-not-the-best-but-bake-1786276410

Is she a femminist? I don't know for sure but probably most anime fans would call her that after reading the article.
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No, it's because you criticize anime then praise western shit like it's flawless and doesnt' have any fan service, power wank etc...
Nov 9, 2016 2:26 PM

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If that criticism is like the one we get on RT then no thank you.
I mean dont you see that recently most of the acclaimed movies on RT especially the blockbuster ones suck really bad?

According to today's critics; Guardian of Galaxy and Star Wars 7 are excellent films.
Yea?
Bullshit!
Nov 9, 2016 3:00 PM

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Never seen such bullshit being said.
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i mean cultural context does matter but yes it's a stupid viewpoint.
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Nov 9, 2016 3:14 PM

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I've seen that argument but only in feminism related threads tbh
Nov 9, 2016 3:25 PM
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No one says "you can't criticize anime"... it's just if we think your criticism sucks were gonna tell you
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DrGeroCreation said:
Darek said:
I think I know what do you mean but I am not sure, care to give an example? not an exact one, just paraphrase it.
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.

Oh come on, this isn't the norm just because these kinds of posts stick out to you personally.


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You guys on Mal like to play ignorant as usual.
No-one's saying this sort of mindset doesn't exist entirely, and sure, there's probably a fair tint of specialism in the way many treat anime here, but your OP is bollocks.
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zombie_pegasus said:
DrGeroCreation said:
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.
The OP of that thread said that, but everyone else disagreed with them. Anime can be and is criticized on MAL. Just think about all the Re:Zero haters.
So criticising makes you a hater? Wait, this is MAL...
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I only hear that from ecchi fans who can't come up with anything else as a defense, it's not common, but it's terrible logic.
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You can be critical, some people just prefer not to be critical of anything...
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zombie_pegasus said:
DrGeroCreation said:
This is a good example https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1418510&show=0 Whenever anime is criticized for anything there are people who are like you can't criticize anime because it 's for the Japanese and not you.
The OP of that thread said that, but everyone else disagreed with them. Anime can be and is criticized on MAL. Just think about all the Re:Zero haters.
There were people who agreed with him. Nxtslide, HaXXspetten, DeplorableNico, Kruzy, Peppermint Hearts, Ahri, Madara, Seibaahommu, shintai88 agreed with him.

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You guys on Mal like to play ignorant as usual.
No-one's saying this sort of mindset doesn't exist entirely, and sure, there's probably a fair tint of specialism in the way many treat anime here, but your OP is bollocks.[/quote] It's not CKan users like DeplorableNico , Kuma ,Tsudecimo do have that type of mindset.
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DrGeroCreation said:
zombie_pegasus said:
The OP of that thread said that, but everyone else disagreed with them. Anime can be and is criticized on MAL. Just think about all the Re:Zero haters.
There were people who agreed with him. Nxtslide, HaXXspetten, DeplorableNico, Kruzy, Peppermint Hearts, Ahri, Madara, Seibaahommu, shintai88 agreed with him.


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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. I don't think I've heard any criticism of anime even gave a reason, other than a few that argued they had the better waifus.
On another note, if there's any actual reason that anime can't be criticized, it's probably because people won't listen.
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you wnat anime it amaicanzed right .
No, I never said that Date.

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IAccording to today's critics; Guardian of Galaxy and Star Wars 7 are excellent films.
Yea?
Guardians of the Galaxy was a good movie.

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No, it's because you criticize anime then praise western shit like it's flawless and doesnt' have any fan service, power wank etc...
That's BS ichi.
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Haven't really seen that myself, but assuming that's just a gap in my knowledge...

You're on a forum dedicated to anime and its fans. What do you expect to happen if you start trashing the whole medium around which the forum is built?
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truisms said:
i mean cultural context does matter but yes it's a stupid viewpoint.


this guy get it...

but still, ignorance is everywhere... hovever i am more often debating people being ignorance about cultural context than being too devensive about cultural context... so, my experince is exactly opposite point of what DrGero make it out to be...
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Kuma said:
truisms said:
i mean cultural context does matter but yes it's a stupid viewpoint.


this guy get it...

but still, ignorance is everywhere... hovever i am more often debating people being ignorance about cultural context than being too devensive about cultural context... so, my experince is exactly opposite point of what DrGero make it out to be...

yeah agreed. it is definitely an ignorant viewpoint but i see way more people who are totally unaware of the context. which is fine, you don't need the context of a work to appreciate it, but trying to impose a foreign context on it isn't useful either (though it can be interesting)
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