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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Piccolo owned by Tagoma ...although that regenerative power came in handy. I'm surprised how strong he has become in this adaptation although it looks like he has trouble against a Super Saiyan. Freiza's rage was priceless though back in his Namek days. Poor Gohan and Piccolo for taking that attack :( |
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| This was a good episode. The way Ginyu changed bodies was hilarious, but I was hoping for a bit more of Tagoma before he gets 'killed' off, oh well. Gohan got literally blown all the way back by Freeza, even felt bad for the poor guy. And wow, that ending was pretty goof, though they're trying really, really hard to appeal to nostalgia this arc, even more-so than the film which was a nostalgia-inducing cash-grab. They re-used a lot of Z footage too, which annoyed me a bit. Goku and Vegeta's training is really interesting, can't wait for subs. |
Dat cliffhanger.... |
Nire-anime said: Guys where did you watch it so Fast Probably just a raw, without subtitles. |
Takuto_Shindou said: Frieza gets a lot stronger by training 4 months because he's a prodigy, everyone loses their minds. Tagoma gets stronger than Piccolo for no reason at all and everyone loves it. I don't get it. There is no prodigy gene in Tagoma, this is completely retarded. Why? How is it any different from the humans surpassing Raditz in a year? Or Goku getting over 20x stronger in a year? And then 8x stronger in 6 days? And I don't know which world you live in, but Freeza's power boost has been heavily criticized. |
| Goddamn, why Gohan is so weak :< |
Takuto_Shindou said: A Frieza soldier can't get a lot stronger than a Super Saiyan 1 by doing a normal training, that's fucking ridiculous, try to say Tagoma got stronger than Goku after reaching the legendary Super Saiyan transformation with a straight face. He just did. You would have thought it'd be ridiculous if I told you that a normal human can't surpass king Piccolo but many of them did. That's how Dragon Ball is. Every time a boost happens in this series, it makes all the others before it look minuscule by comparison. Toriyama wrote himself to a corner when he introduced power levels, and he's never, ever gonna write himself out of it. Forget about everything past this point: do you remember when Goku defeated Piccolo Daimao? He went to God's lookout and got smacked by Popo. Then what does Popo tell him? That God's probably a thousand times stronger than himself! That's crazy and that's a level of power that Goku surpasses in just a few years of simple training. Of course, after power levels were introduced, we realize that God's power was minuscule and the difference between his power and Goku's at the time probably wasn't much, but not before they were introduced. And then one arc later, Kuririn and the others get over 4x stronger just after 6 months of training with God (and more 6 months of training alone), making Goku's gains in those 3 years, along with God and Popo's power, seem pathetic. Like I said, power levels are flawed, very flawed, they both ruin our perception of power hierarchy before their introduction and make ANY power-up coming after them, even if they're removed from the story, seem ridiculous because they're only going to get bigger and bigger. You can't complain now, it's ridiculous to complain now, you should have been complaining from the beginning, because at this point it doesn't really matter anymore, they'll tell the story they need to tell, they can't afford to make sense anymore. All you can do is embrace it and curse the moment Toriyama thought it was a good idea to implement a system like that in the series. Tagoma's boost is ridiculous, yes. But its ridiculousness is what makes it believable. |
AnimuAnimu said: Because Toriyama likes to shit in the faces of Gohan fans like myselfGoddamn, why Gohan is so weak :< |
| Gohan is the strongest one there and was literally the only one who did anything useful. |
| I...I'll just pretend that Ginyu train himself in his frog form & boost Togoma's body & beat Gohan in saiyan form that have -99% power level penalty due to slacking... |
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| Yeah that was a very good episode and the animation was at the best it's looked in a while. LAST-MINUTE Power-up that STILL hasn't been shown Why would it be shown? It'll be saved for when Goku fights Frieza just as it was in the movie. |
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| I'd guess it'd end just before the two started fighting but we'll see. |
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| 22. Change! An Impossible Revival! The Name's Ginyu!! Original Airdate: December 6, 2015 As Tagoma powers up further Piccolo attacks him, only to have his arm ripped off. Gohan steps in and blasts Tagoma away, but the attack has minimal effect. Just then, Gotenks arrives and headbutts Tagoma in the crotch! With Tagoma momentarily taken out Gotenks switches focus to Frieza himself...only to diffuse back into Goten and Trunks. Frieza recognizes them as the son of Goku and someone similar to the one who cut him to pieces. He angrily tells Tagoma to finish them all. While the boys retreat to Bulma's side Tagoma sees a peculiar frog writing something in the dirt: the word change. Tagoma reads it aloud and swaps bodies with the frog, who of course was Captain Ginyu! Elated to be free of a frog's body Ginyu explains what happened to Frieza. He shows off a new pose, but Goten and Trunks aren't impressed. He attacks 5 Z Warriors at once, showing mastery over Tagoma's body. Bulma tries again desperately to get Whis' attention. On Beerus' planet the God of Destruction enjoys some pizza. Whis asks him if it was really ok to send Goku and Vegeta to "that place" so soon, but Beerus isn't concerned. Elsewhere Vegeta realizes that they can only move in this strange place by retaining their ki within their bodies without letting any of it leak out. Goku realizes their current location is similar to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Back on earth Gohan struggles to fight Ginyu, until becoming a Super Saiyan, surprising Ginyu and Frieza. Suddenly Gohan is in control and takes pity on Ginyu. This angers Frieza who is reminded of the way Goku took pity on him on Namek. He blasts Gohan full of holes and is about to kill him when Piccolo takes the killing blow, sacrificing himself for Gohan once again. Well nearly all of this episode was new material. My how times have changed: Piccolo's arm and Gohan's holes probably woulda been far more bloody back in the day. I enjoyed Ginyu's return. Bulma's reaction was a cute little continuity nod. Plus Gotenks was awesome! A bit too brief of an appearance though. So as I guessed Goku and Vegeta are in a Hyperbolic Time Chamber of sorts. Well whatever they're doing in there it can't last too long since it looks like the Frieza fight begins next week. LOTS of recycled DBZ footage this week I noticed. Poor Gohan, even when he wins he loses. :D Poor Piccolo! Well he'll be ok...right? RIGHT?!? Rating: 7/7 This Week in Buu: Does not appear. Did You Notice?: Ginyu-frog must not have been considered evil by Porunga. He revived him along with all the other non-evil people after Kid Buu destroyed earth. :D Next: Goku vs. Frieza Begins |
| After that, Gohan should go SSJ2 and beat the shit out of everybody including Frieza even if only a few punches. Oh and now Tagoma will stay alive even after the end of the arc, as a frog? I would prefer him to be killed. |
| LOL Piccolo XD Gohan never learns. If only he dodged... TFS should make a Gohan Owned counter now LMAO Tagoma sure didn't last long. Although he was REKTing them so easily O_o Props to Gotenks for headbutting his balls XD I found it lame how they just lost their fusion from the first minute they were there. Obviously a cop out. Ginyu sure enjoyed the life for a little bit. Well at least Gohan can still beat him. At least... And nxt ep he's gonna get REKT from Vegeta? XD Comedy gold from stupidity tbh |
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MahadoKusanagi said: DBS its just fanservice, ESPECIALLY this arc................but not only fanservice, its probably the stupidest fanservice i've ever seen in Anime. So damn many flaws altogether EVEN for the damn DBZ Universe. Alone in this episode were so many flaws. I dont know what the hell Toriyama is thinking with this. Meh, as long as the next arc, the tournament one, is amazing i don't really care about this one. |
| OMG Gohan -_- |
xD  This scene was so funny. After watching the preview, I think the next episode will have a really bad animation. |
| Seeing Piccolo take that attack from frieze reminded me of when he protected Gohan from Nappa's attack now if Gohan kept training, seeing him go into rage mode just like back in the day would have been epic! |
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| This brings back memories but it's not as touching as the first time. (Piccolo's sacrfice) |
| "You don't become Hokage in order to be acknowledged by the village. The one who is acknowledged by everyone, is the one who becomes Hokage." Uchiha Itachi, Naruto Shippuden |
| Damn Gohan got destroyed by Frieza. Back in Namek he gave Frieza a good taste of his power and Frieza was stronger than Gohan. Here he just gets owned by simple Death Beams and Picollo saves Gohan. I'm hoping Gohan goes rage mode just like when Vegeta went rage mode on Beerus. At least make Gohan do something to Frieza. Nice to see Gotenks again. I wonder just how strong Gohan is on base. He couldn't do anything to Ginyu until he turned SSJ 1. It would be a shame if Gohan got as weak as Imperfect Cell. I do like this Frieza. Torturing his foes in such a cold way. If he wanted to he could just Supernova the planet. |
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| Some funny moments that I enjoyed besides the action and build up, Frieza thrashing on Gohan! Sinister as ever! Gr8 Times. |
| It is so saddening to see Gohan get his butt kicked by Freza and not even but up a fight. I mean this guy when he was a kid destroyed Cell. I thought by the end of the episode after Gohan saw Piccolo get shot by Freza would activate his dormant power and he would go beast mode on Freza, but a last Dragon Ball Super portrays Gohan as one of the weakest Sayians in the universe. I mean Pan can probably hold her own better than her father at this point. ~Great episode!!! |
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| One of the better eps for sure. |
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Takuto_Shindou said: Gidar said: They still haven't achieved Super sayan Blue , yet alone full control. The ONLY REASON as to why goku/vegeta actually won in Revival of F was due to Frieza coming to earth RIGHT THE MOMENT he achieved golden form and him eventually running out of Fuel , since his body couldn't handle the power .... THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE GOKU AND VEGETA DOING RIGHT NOW?? Exactly the SAME FUCKING THING ... LAST-MINUTE Power-up that STILL hasn't been shown ... the same freakin way frieza got it ... JUST ON EVEN SHORTER NOTICE .... The fuck toriyama ... get your stupid story straight... This. Dragon Ball Super insults the human intelligence. not rlly. You're forgetting that the room is similar to the hyperbolic room of spirit and time, idk y i did that. I'm assuming that they get a lot of time in that room. Still, y gohan so weak? |
| Such a surprise, they fight with Majin Buu...but fail to fight with Frieza's man haha such a disappointed. I guess you lose your touch when there is peace... Goku and Vegeta better hurry or they are all going to die. Piccolo...saving Gohan just like when he was a kid. |
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| It's Chi chi's fault. If she had not turned Gohan into a pussy, he would have trained and put up a better fight than that. |
| piccolo's act felt kinda cheap, although it could have been needed for Gohan not to die and it does seem like somthing he'd do.... hmm.. let's see what next week brings. |
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| I seriously cant understand all the hate for this show. Gotenks and Ginyu in the same episode. only way to get better now would be Future Trunks coming back with God state aswell. (Which would probably make sense, well.. somehow. ^^) |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Personally enjoyed the episode but I am also a bit of a sucker for Gohan. Always been a fan of his and that will probably never change. It sucks to see how weak he has gotten but it makes sense why he has since he doesn't train. Yet, he is still the strongest out of that group. Nice to have an appearance from Gotenks. No clue why they decided to fuse so far ahead of their arrival. Maybe it was to help them reach the area quicker. *shrugs* Do like how Ginyu made his return after so long but he was able to learn Tagoma's body and power too quickly. And the cliffhanger. That got me good. Was waiting for Gohan to get angry and then it ended. Ah well, another week of waiting. Maybe I'll finally watch the movie in that time. |
| Fucking weak as shit, this bullcrap needs to be over with, the only reason I haven't dropped it is because I still have hope for the next arc. Toriyama is a fucking shithead. |
| Konbu is important |
| Poor Piccolo, he's such a good dad. So many tributes to DBZ lmao. Looks like Goku and Vegeta join next episode, so hopefully they'll finish the arc by episode 27-28. |
 "Your sight, my delight. Will you marry me?" |
| Maybe this is what it took for Gohan to finally start training again. |
| Overall Good episode, I liked it. But Damn, Gohan being taken out so easily, I mean he was like so badass against cell and even against super buu when he gained those Mystic powers. I was hoping for so much when he transformed, Yet he was taken down by Frieza's Death Rays. He did go Ssj2 right? He should've been able to dish out some damage :| Did they censor the blood or did Frieza's Death Rays never cause people to bleed in the first place? |
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