Wretch said: I can't take the MGTOW movement seriously. They seem to generalize that all women are "feminazis" or otherwise horrible people, and that's why they decide to keep their distance... a bunch of whiny losers if you ask me. MGTOW probably has no idea about the true meaning of feminism, which is all about equal rights for women and men. I actually understand that a guy may not want to date a woman, but if so there has to be a good reason other than "all women are this and that". All women are INDIVIDUALS. lol you're missing something...this movement is rising in western society not because of feminist...it just because men has everything to lose in marriage ...with a divorce rate of more then 50% do you really can take a gamble,love everything and be destroyed emotionally and financially..and don't give me crap like feminism, which is all about equal rights for women and men...please just please and mgtow men actually date women they just don't want to marry.... |
ultravigo said: lol you're missing something...this movement is rising in western society not because of feminist...it just because men has everything to lose in marriage ...with a divorce rate of more then 50% do you really can take a gamble,love everything and be destroyed emotionally and financially..and don't give me crap like feminism, which is all about equal rights for women and men...please just please and mgtow men actually date women they just don't want to marry.... I'd like to point you towards my latest reply on this topic. Besides, I would never date anybody I couldn't trust 100%.Women are not monsters. So you're telling me that they do date? They just don't marry? I'm new to the subject, and I had the idea that they don't even date (I just learned of the term yesterday). |
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Wretch said: ultravigo said: lol you're missing something...this movement is rising in western society not because of feminist...it just because men has everything to lose in marriage ...with a divorce rate of more then 50% do you really can take a gamble,love everything and be destroyed emotionally and financially..and don't give me crap like feminism, which is all about equal rights for women and men...please just please and mgtow men actually date women they just don't want to marry.... I'd like to point you towards my latest reply on this topic. Besides, I would never date anybody I couldn't trust 100%.Women are not monsters. So you're telling me that they do date? They just don't marry? I'm new to the subject, and I had the idea that they don't even date (I just learned of the term yesterday). yes they date but they don't marry..... |
| I don't know about anyone else, and I don't dislike women in any way, and it's 100% understandable that different women just the same as men are different in their own ways. But in the long scheme of things, feminism, and the inherited mindset that most women have been branded with, being the authority, being priceless in comparison to men, being untouchable, it's all very ridiculous. I've had women who I disagreed with assault me and tell me that I can't hit them back because I'm a man. I've been charged with false rape claims to which my story was ignored for over a year because I'm a man. I've had my son taken away from me because of false claims that I was unstable when my ex-girlfriend cheated on me with a rich man, and moved away to marry him. There is a large unbalance in societal differences in relation to gender equality, and basically, I have given up on giving a fuck. |
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Mogu-sama said: ....Hah What do you think women want? Most women want men This has not changed, there is no sexodus, this is men who can't get laid or into a relationship crying about it and trying to give bs explanations. If you want to be single, fine but don't blame it on women and feminism. Except China, this is completely true in China due to the massive gender imbalance, although that was caused by one child. However, women are marrying less due to the negative impacts marriage has on their careers. social lives and more. But feminism doesn't cause you to stop wanting a relationship, sex and everything else that comes with it. That's fucking ridiculous. I love how it's always 'whiny men who can't get laid'. Doesn't it feel good to look down on others. The weak ones are there to justify the strong? You can't smell your own shit on your knees? I don't like the occasional misogyny in MGTOW either, but there's positive aspects. It can help people who are unattractive find another way of being valuable. |
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| I tried to become MGTOW. I'm a hopeless-romantic at heart so it didn't work for me. I've had bad experiences with women. I wanna hold out till marriage. I'm very selective about who I date. Some of my standards: She has to be heterosexual. She has to be at least somewhat interested or willing to get into my hobbies. I'd like her to be at least a bit smart. I'd like her to be a virgin (I'm 14 you can't blame me here) and more. But in all honesty, I'd drop a few of those standards if the girl was genuinely nice and made me feel loved and special so I could do the same in return. In my opinion, men shouldn't go MGTOW; they should just raise their standards. |
ZeroTatsuyaYu said: I tried to become MGTOW. I'm a hopeless-romantic at heart so it didn't work for me. I've had bad experiences with women. I wanna hold out till marriage. I'm very selective about who I date. Some of my standards: She has to be heterosexual. She has to be at least somewhat interested or willing to get into my hobbies. I'd like her to be at least a bit smart. I'd like her to be a virgin (I'm 14 you can't blame me here) and more. But in all honesty, I'd drop a few of those standards if the girl was genuinely nice and made me feel loved and special so I could do the same in return. In my opinion, men shouldn't go MGTOW; they should just raise their standards. Why shouldn't men go MGTOW? Are you telling a broke person to keep gambling? |
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| Gynosetrists and lefty media dislike them, so I do't mind them. |
PunkeroMar 10, 2016 9:45 AM
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| These men tend to watch these videos and in some cases the fear alone is enough to have them swear off. To them the risk is far too great on the off chance of happening to even pursue relationships. Its pretty standard thinking in a lot of people related to a lot of things. Skydiving comes with risks but is safest first time but for some the risk alone is worth avoiding it. These men just took the same approach to relationships. As the video shows it can be at any time in your education or further and can be anyone, even if you have never actually slept with them. Until the legal process gets modern and starts doing something about false claimants the rise of this type of movement for men will only continue to grow as the divide between fairness of the sexes continues to grow. Men no longer benefit from marriage, children or relationships thanks to unequal rulings in law. If more women wish more men to engage in healthy relationships we need to push healthy relationships in society. As only a fringe movement at the moment if things keep moving towards what they are we can expect the numbers to grow over the years. |
SpooksMar 10, 2016 10:05 AM
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Nico- said: PoeticJustice said: I appreciate the sentiment of don't put the pussy on the pedestal, but I don't know if I am crazy about the movement. A lot of misandrists will use this as propaganda. It's not really propaganda but it's more of a tribalistic reaction to feminism. It's got the right ideas, but it has pretty scummy people associated in it like Roosh V and the rest of RSD/Pick Up Artist Scammers No, Roosh dislike them and calls them losers, and they dislike him back and accuse him of being a scam artist, they only thing they have in common is being critical of feminism, which is not bad thing. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: ZeroTatsuyaYu said: I tried to become MGTOW. I'm a hopeless-romantic at heart so it didn't work for me. I've had bad experiences with women. I wanna hold out till marriage. I'm very selective about who I date. Some of my standards: She has to be heterosexual. She has to be at least somewhat interested or willing to get into my hobbies. I'd like her to be at least a bit smart. I'd like her to be a virgin (I'm 14 you can't blame me here) and more. But in all honesty, I'd drop a few of those standards if the girl was genuinely nice and made me feel loved and special so I could do the same in return. In my opinion, men shouldn't go MGTOW; they should just raise their standards. Why shouldn't men go MGTOW? Are you telling a broke person to keep gambling? Nah. I wanted to go MGTOW cause I was really hurt by girls I've dated in the past. A lot of MGTOW are the same. I just think that they shouldn't shut themselves off. |
ZeroTatsuyaYu said: Nah. I wanted to go MGTOW cause I was really hurt by girls I've dated in the past. A lot of MGTOW are the same. I just think that they shouldn't shut themselves off. You can't shut yourself off when you're being shut off. Yes, MGTOW have their share of misogynists but it's a logical decision. If you're unattractive and women reject you, stop trying. No means no, after all. The world is a better place once unattractive people step out of the way. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: ZeroTatsuyaYu said: Nah. I wanted to go MGTOW cause I was really hurt by girls I've dated in the past. A lot of MGTOW are the same. I just think that they shouldn't shut themselves off. You can't shut yourself off when you're being shut off. Yes, MGTOW have their share of misogynists but it's a logical decision. If you're unattractive and women reject you, stop trying. No means no, after all. The world is a better place once unattractive people step out of the way. Well that's just rude. A lot of MGTOW and ex-MGTOW (including myself) are not unattractive. Everyone deserves companionship in one form or another. I agree if a woman says no then it's a no. But eventually, one woman will say yes. |
ZeroTatsuyaYu said: TheBrainintheJar said: You can't shut yourself off when you're being shut off. Yes, MGTOW have their share of misogynists but it's a logical decision. If you're unattractive and women reject you, stop trying. No means no, after all. The world is a better place once unattractive people step out of the way. Well that's just rude. A lot of MGTOW and ex-MGTOW (including myself) are not unattractive. Everyone deserves companionship in one form or another. I agree if a woman says no then it's a no. But eventually, one woman will say yes. No, not everyone deserves companionship. Some people are horrible. Morality isn't an issue here though. Plenty of immoral people get sex and are attractive - look at Ian Watkins. You can think you deserve companionship all you want, but are you attractive? This is what's important. If you get constant rejections, it's reasonable to quit. |
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Thousand-Eyes said: Being vocally antagonizing towards women and putting them down as a whole just makes them look bad. I mean, these guys group ALL women into the feminazi category or somewhere along those lines. They never talk about the things they've accomplished on their own since going their own way. It's always about how bad women are or how selfish women are and hating female nature, etc. Almost as if the more extreme MGTOW movement is an exact mirror of feminazi's an almost natural evolution set forth by those women a counter. Some say all of life is action reaction. If so then the formation of such groups of men was always bound to happen the minute society told feminazi's its ok to say yes all men, kill all men and men are all this and that. I personally would only dislike a mans version of feminazism if I dislike feminazism which I do so I dislike both extremes but im not in the slightest surprised that now men have a group of individuals saying yes all women now. |
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| Wow, yet another movement for people, who so don't want anything to do with something, that they can't stop talking about it (the "you will suffer, cause you won't get us" part). Seems strange. There're plenty of people of both sexes, who are not interested in relationships or don't seek them currently, because they don't want the trouble, prioritize something else, have been hurt or know they don't stand much chance. You don't need a movement for that. And there're risks for both sides. Men risk be accused of rape or ripped off. Women can be raped or abandoned with children (which make their chances for a new relationship almost nil). Also, if this movement allows dating, it doesn't look all that well. Frankly, in this aspect it looks like another way to avoid alimony. |
deadoptimistMar 12, 2016 4:04 PM
| It's totally cool if people don't want to be in relationships; I think a lot of people don't value romantic relationships as something important and people should dedicate their lives to what is most important to them. However... This sort of 'you're not going to have me now because you (this whole group) weren't good enough' attitude is laughable, petty and only shows that people who join this sort of movement aren't desirable partners in the first place. anyway the 'where have all the good men gone' sort of comment in this article is funny considering the men in this movement are acting out a more melodramatic and passive aggressive 'where have all the good women gone (and by isolating myself im going to punish them for not being better)' sort of movement in retribution. im glad im queer. |
| It's destroying the nuclear family, reducing white birth rates and corrupting women. It's another tool to destroy and destabilize Western civilization. |
| That's cool, more ladies for me then! :] |
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| It's rapidly gaining momentum, but like most "movements" it lacks unifying principles and is becoming vitiated by its fringe elements. But...I don't blame segments of the male population for choosing this lifestyle for a minute. The number of men who've been fucked over by marriage and our egregiously corrupt judicial system are legion. My biggest problem with the movement is its bent towards advocacy. This is not a path veteran members should be pressuring (esp on youtube) young adults to join. Despite the terrifying failure rates of marriage and pitfalls of family life, I still think it's a good thing to hope for, if they want it. |
| MGTOW makes for a pretty hilarious hashtag, but that's about it. |
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| Think the movement, at its core, is full of two groups - Those who don't trust women due to personal experience, and those who don't trust women due to what they have heard about feminism. To the latter, I have a simple solution: Don't date a self-proclaimed feminist. It is literally that simple. In America you don't even have a 1/5 chance of dating a girl who would identify as a feminist, and in Britain that number shrinks (not sure about other countries . . . be wary of Sweden). For the former . . . I personally don't think that aversion is the answer, however I have also never had my entire life fucked over through a "just" court system so I really can't comment on what they are feeling. Edit: Forgot a third group, those who just want to hate on women (whether due to returning hate that feminism spews and falsely equating feminism to women or just cause). I think this is by and large the minority of the movement (or I would hope), however they are also probably the most common posters with the hashtag. Couldn't care less about this group, have yet to see a book justifying putting all women into concentration camps come out of MGTOW, I couldn't say the same from its toxic equivalent, so I see no reason to "be afraid". |
Pirating_NinjaMar 12, 2016 3:47 PM
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Lucy_Light said: I've seen this thread come up on the list SO many times now, I just had to join in. I do agree with a lot of what people have said so far, that someone who decides to forfeit on dating, sexual activity, relationships or marriage have a complete right to do so. While some of them are probably losers, angry at women for rejecting them, or for not liking them when they also have a right not to, I do understand some have probably been genuinely mistreated and hurt, and they may be attractive, or successful, or kind, even all of these things, and it's the fault of the other person for doing that to them. However, none of that changes anything, as a person's reason for MGTOW is mostly irrelevant to me. The fact is, if someone makes a decision to do something that doesn't hurt anyone else (abstaining from women), okay, fine, good, go do that. No matter their reasons or their circumstances, and as much as I do believe in trying (because there are good women), they can do that. If they start harassing or discriminating against anybody though, and try to throw it in with their choice of MGTOW, they're pathetic. You can either try again, or you can call it quits, and I personally wouldn't judge anybody for either, cos I can understand how they could make either of those choices... but nothing gives them a right to hurt other people. To the men of MGTOW who don't hurt others, don't hate all women, and don't spread their BS, keep living your lives the way you want to. To the men of MGTOW who want to spread hate and anger across an entire gender because of their small and limited experiences with only a handful of people... you make me happy to be a lesbian. With that being said... I still think this is kinda sad. The people I feel most sympathy towards are the few genuinely nice men who may have been pushed into this when all they actually want is a good person in their lives (and aren't gay), but they've just been exposed to the worst ones. It doesn't matter how 'nice' they are. 'Niceness' doesn't make you attractive whether you're a man or a woman. The problem isn't the lack of 'good women'. It's the fact many men cannot attract women. Here, around the age group of 16-25 men are disposable. There are many of them, all of them want a relationship or sex. So they have less value simply by being men. Trying to attract women means competing with 10 more guys. It's a gamble that's most likely won't pay off. Of course, you shouldn't be hostile or rude to women. That's being an unpleasant asshole. Good MGTOW are those who simply gave up on attracting women. |
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| So the first thing they tell you in the university is "don't rape the female students"? Is this valid for USA, UK or both? Well if the legislation and the way the society acts is revolving around the idea that all men are pedophiles and rapists, forming a group to raise awareness and protest seems like the right thing to do. But giving up on women (because they all are crazy, evil, oppressive and want to sue you) seems insane. I understand that part with the "sexodus" more like taking a long break from relationships. This is what I did for 2 years. But I didn't waste my time: I read books on spiritualism and psychology and reflected on my behaviour and mistakes. |
| they are still gonna have sex with women and leave them after that and they have to raise a kid by themselves. they just want the carrot with no stick |
| "Look at me I'm so unique and cool cause I wasn't good enough for others." It's attention whoring. Turns out men who aren't good enough for relationships are a bit attention starved. Poor guys. |
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| Who the fuck resurrected this ?! ... Jezus, like let these topics DIE already and discuss other things for a change. |
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| As someone who has nor have any desire to be in a relationship, I can of course sympathise with the idea. However the MGTOW "movement" has a lot of scumbags infesting it, like those pick up artists who scam women because according to them "all women are whores", and I don't think their ideal image of "a man riding off alone into the sunset, happy and content in life" really needs such ideological weight attached to it. |
| I tend to avoid romantic relationships in general so I was naturally drawn to the MGTOW movement. Watching their videos really helped me understand women better and also let me understand the cancer to society feminism is. Now saying all that, I can't call myself a MGTOW even though I support and agree with a lot of their points because I do want to marry and have a family one day, and they do definitely go overboard when it comes to how much they antagonize women. Gold diggers and women looking to pin false rape allegations on men, they deserve all of the criticism and more for what they do. But regular women are not the evil people that MGTOW's claim them to be. Tl;dr I agree with 80% of the message but I don't agree the more extreme opinions that the MGTOW community has about women. |
| I'm not sure if more people talking about MGTOW is a good or bad thing lol. Either way the "movement" is still very small, although it is growing in popularity, a lot of people just write them off as extremists. IMO it's better if people don't talk about MGTOW and let it fade from the pubic eye, It's not something that should be in the mainstream. Let the MRAs deal with the PR. |
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Deadpool said: TheBrainintheJar said: It doesn't matter how 'nice' they are. 'Niceness' doesn't make you attractive whether you're a man or a woman. The problem isn't the lack of 'good women'. It's the fact many men cannot attract women. Here, around the age group of 16-25 men are disposable. There are many of them, all of them want a relationship or sex. So they have less value simply by being men. Trying to attract women means competing with 10 more guys. It's a gamble that's most likely won't pay off. Of course, you shouldn't be hostile or rude to women. That's being an unpleasant asshole. Good MGTOW are those who simply gave up on attracting women. Living in a jewish country sure sounds depressing lmao. When girls are afraid of creepy guys and guys are considered useless because there are many of them, you can't have a healthy dating scene. I wonder when there'll be a new, better generation. Korrvo said: "Look at me I'm so unique and cool cause I wasn't good enough for others." It's attention whoring. Turns out men who aren't good enough for relationships are a bit attention starved. Poor guys. You're right. These men weren't 'good enough' because the world is just and only worthy people get sex. Why do sex criminals get sex then? |
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| I don't care all that much. Relationships in general, but especially when it comes to a spouse, is a risk-reward situation. People have the right to choose whether or not to participate in this risk-reward game. A MGTOW is one type of person that decided the risk was not worth the reward. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: wait a minute I said relationships, not sexYou're right. These men weren't 'good enough' because the world is just and only worthy people get sex. Why do sex criminals get sex then? waaaait a minute... EYY BRING IT ON |
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Nico- said: Sometimes reading gender/sex threads makes me wonder how truly degenerate Western millennials are. Life isn't supposed to be about love and sex, its supposed to be about providing for yourself and making a difference in your own life. Love and sex are just bonuses that greedy people lust for. This is almost EXACTLY what MGTOWs don't get. They could have done so much in their lives instead of worry about materialistic fantasies. Instead, they constantly force themselves to be ascetic prudes simply because they don't get it. I'm dead serious. I've been around these people before, they're people without any motivation to do these things and it shows. They're hypocritical tribalists. Avoid them and please don't fall for that plague. Biologically Life is all about reproducing thus love and sex is our primary goal But nah its not the most relevant thing in the world and only idiots would believe it was |
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Nico- said: See this is why you're likable.Sorry Spooks I disagree with you this time. MGTOWs have a nice mindset and all but they're really quitters who while its understandable that most of the women around them probably are using men for resources, that simply does not mean they have to constantly bitch and whine about it all the damn time. If they really wanted to be productive, they'd just simply shut up while doing their own thing. Otherwise they're just a bunch of redpilled former "nice guys" who are forcing themselves to be pariahs and taking out all their anger on people who are really in successful relationships and don't have to worry about "women always using men for resources" which as a statement, is only partially true. They seem to actually take Roosh V seriously as well, which we all know what a dipshit he is. Speak da trufe. Buncha quiter whiner baby back BITCHES man |
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| Not agreeing or disagreeing with the actions taken. But given the increasing hostility towards males in the West, it isn't surprising to see this type of reaction. Women get their movement. We're supposed to be living in an equal society, so let men have their own. |
| i dont really have a sex drive so to me its not weird that guys dont want tohook up or get in relationships with people. but its not right to blame the entire female population for a few bad experiences that they had. like their are people from both genders that you can get along with just fine |
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Korrvo said: TheBrainintheJar said: wait a minute I said relationships, not sexYou're right. These men weren't 'good enough' because the world is just and only worthy people get sex. Why do sex criminals get sex then? waaaait a minute... EYY BRING IT ON Same thing. The world isn't just. If you get into a relationship, it's not necessarily because you're a good person. If popularity among women dictated morality, Ian Watkins would be an angel. |
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| Yup, they focused too much on "getting with the females" that they got burned and now feel like just because, as these people say, "the world isn't just" means that the world must somehow be against them, screaming about how it's not fair when in fact it's their own failings that lead them to this, it's really quite pathetic. Side note: they also can't tell the difference between sex and a relationship. Not realizing that sex may occur in a relationship but a relationship isn't just about sex. |
ThrashMattoJul 7, 2016 1:13 AM
 I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
| Why the fuck would you even want to go with fake love in this 3D cesspool anyways? The movement is on the right path, now they just need to join the 2D church and strive for 2D ascension. Only in the holy lands of 2Dism can one find true happiness and rest with their waifu harem for eternity (unless if you are a Yukinofag, then you will burn forever in the 3D shit plains). 2D > 3D |
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