Sound! Euphonium (light novel)
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May 12, 2015 7:48 PM
#52
I wouldn't mind *_* |
May 13, 2015 4:22 AM
#53
I think people are overthinking it for those of you who have watched a lot of anime I think you know that blushing and getting embarresed between girls and between guys are a very common thing and to take that as a yuri/yaoi subtext is just like waiting to be disapointed. I think the best way to describe kumiko and reinas relationship would be akward friends who tend to embarrass each other unknowingly and I think the way to stop this arguement is to simply check the genres as there is no yuri or shoujo ai tag so there will not be any. |
May 13, 2015 4:37 AM
#54
shirozawa-shiro said: I think people are overthinking it for those of you who have watched a lot of anime I think you know that blushing and getting embarresed between girls and between guys are a very common thing and to take that as a yuri/yaoi subtext is just like waiting to be disapointed. I think the best way to describe kumiko and reinas relationship would be akward friends who tend to embarrass each other unknowingly and I think the way to stop this arguement is to simply check the genres as there is no yuri or shoujo ai tag so there will not be any. ...and some still thinks that tags can change.... -__- LOL |
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May 17, 2015 1:04 AM
#55
Lemongrope said: Imeon said: If not, do you think they're just baiting yuri shippers? do u even need 2 ask that? Kyoani is like the crown prince of queerbaiting. Subtle yuri/yaoi sells. Think K-On, think Free. The studio literally survives on money they get from desperate queers, fujoshi, and dirty neckbeards masturbating to small squishy looking girls; moe shit with queer undertones is the way to the big bucks man. I'm not queer (it's still a slur to some, you shouldn't refer to everyone in the LGBT+ spectrum as queer) but this is painfully true. I'm a desperate lesbian clinging onto any subtext I can, since actual lesbian relationships are so few and far between. It sucks begging for scraps when straight people have huge luxurious buffets to pick and choose from. :/ But to answer OP's question, no, this is not a yuri. Kyoani is goddamn awful at gaybaiting, but puts every would-be heterosexual couple in canon relationships. |
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May 24, 2015 5:03 AM
#57
Just leave this here, don't know how reliable it is: http://trumpy-arts.tumblr.com/post/119124443690/lurking-around-the-hibike-tag-and-saw-a-reply Turns out the naysayers are right. |
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May 24, 2015 6:12 AM
#58
ramenshojo said: Just leave this here, don't know how reliable it is: http://trumpy-arts.tumblr.com/post/119124443690/lurking-around-the-hibike-tag-and-saw-a-reply Turns out the naysayers are right. Does this mean Taki-sensei will accept Kousaka's feelings? I knew she was interested in him and I was kind of sure she'll confess to him but not sure how he'll respond. I never thought this series will have any shoujo-ai pairings anyway. I'm hoping for a Shuuichi/Kumiko ending. |
May 24, 2015 9:26 PM
#59
I like that any romance is a secondary element to the story, and doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere (especially in the anime version) or take over the plot. Considering that, making the ED around the red string of fate image might have been troll-y, but it's no big deal. ramenshojo said: Just leave this here, don't know how reliable it is: http://trumpy-arts.tumblr.com/post/119124443690/lurking-around-the-hibike-tag-and-saw-a-reply Turns out the naysayers are right. I wouldn't take whoever said this for their word, considering what some people above who report having read portions of the novels have said. Remember that it's a regular novel, not a light novel, so you need to actually be proficient in Japanese to read it. |
May 25, 2015 3:49 AM
#60
yuri bait :( |
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May 25, 2015 7:57 AM
#61
MaahHeim said: I wish, but it's very unlikely. |
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May 26, 2015 10:53 AM
#62
You sure that this isn't one? Look at today's episode OMFG |
May 26, 2015 11:12 AM
#63
destructo22 said: lol watch episode 8Nope. Not at all. I'm not saying names, but there are people that are blowing this out of proportion. |
May 26, 2015 2:05 PM
#64
As the yuri intensifies, the plot thickens. If you know what I mean. But you know what, it's fine really. Even if KyoAni doesn't go full blown shoujo ai yuri on us, the doujinshi artists will probably have us covered. |
May 26, 2015 2:10 PM
#65
My poor heart could hardly take the last ep. |
May 26, 2015 2:10 PM
#66
Are you people kidding? This is totally Shoujo Ai. Maybe it wasn't very clear when this topic was created, but if you have seen Episode 8 and still do not see Shoujo Ai, then you have to be blind. |
May 26, 2015 2:44 PM
#67
Nintendofan204 said: Are you people kidding? This is totally Shoujo Ai. Maybe it wasn't very clear when this topic was created, but if you have seen Episode 8 and still do not see Shoujo Ai, then you have to be blind. This is Kyoani we're talking. Besides, I ask my friends in FB regarding "touching each others lips" makes you lesbian. They all says "No!". It's pretty normal though not always. They experience once or often. But no malice. |
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May 26, 2015 4:17 PM
#68
Nintendofan204 said: Are you people kidding? This is totally Shoujo Ai. Maybe it wasn't very clear when this topic was created, but if you have seen Episode 8 and still do not see Shoujo Ai, then you have to be blind. Nah. If you call this yuri outright, many girls would be yuri. |
May 26, 2015 4:20 PM
#69
May 26, 2015 4:47 PM
#70
Well until now it was really just yuri-fans daydreaming, but this episode played the thing quite a bit. Still thinking it's only a tease even more since so little episodes remain for all the plot (audition/contest). It looks a bit like MC girl & his childhood friend will still end together, by Kousaka acts & talks. Especially since the novels have 0 of all these yuri things that we get to see. |
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May 26, 2015 5:12 PM
#71
Doubledog said: Just another little spoiler from tumblr: To put it differently,KyoAni trying to turn it into cashcow. |
May 26, 2015 5:15 PM
#72
Imeon said: doesnt matter Nintendofan204 said: Are you people kidding? This is totally Shoujo Ai. Maybe it wasn't very clear when this topic was created, but if you have seen Episode 8 and still do not see Shoujo Ai, then you have to be blind. This is Kyoani we're talking. Besides, I ask my friends in FB regarding "touching each others lips" makes you lesbian. They all says "No!". It's pretty normal though not always. They experience once or often. But no malice. shoujo ai elements are present to make it such even if it turns out completly straight in the end all those yuri subtexts make it shoujo ai since the very start for god sakes the ending gave away the yuri |
May 26, 2015 5:42 PM
#73
if this show were to ever travel the shoujo ai path, i think that episode 8 would be the best episode to prove that it will. kumiko doesn't really seem all that interested in shuichi, even if there were a couple of small moments where kumiko seemed slightly jealous or embarrassed. there's also the hiking scene with kumiko and kousaka. the brief mentions of kousaka's 'love' for kumiko was an indicator, and kumiko calls kousaka cute. this is really just a friendly exchange, and it doesn't exactly confirm anything yet. i think that the mountaintop scene supports the shoujo ai claim the best. i think that you can interpret it in any way, whether it's friendly or romantic. it's pretty obvious that kumiko and kousaka have a lot of chemistry. the sad thing is that i doubt kyoani would ever go down the shoujo ai route, and the only hints of shoujo ai we'll have are undertones. |
May 26, 2015 5:57 PM
#74
I hope not. Kumiko and Reina's relationship is more better in platonic rather than romantic and the romance in this series is more a sub-plot. I would not mind it but my future ship will sunk so yeah. And it doesn't have to be romantic after all, a friendship can be stronger and deeper than romantic love sometimes. It could be applied to them. |
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May 26, 2015 6:13 PM
#75
Moodie said: doesnt matter Denial to the very end. |
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May 26, 2015 7:31 PM
#76
MihoWittmann said: I like that any romance is a secondary element to the story, and doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere (especially in the anime version) or take over the plot. Considering that, making the ED around the red string of fate image might have been troll-y, but it's no big deal. ramenshojo said: Just leave this here, don't know how reliable it is: http://trumpy-arts.tumblr.com/post/119124443690/lurking-around-the-hibike-tag-and-saw-a-reply Turns out the naysayers are right. I wouldn't take whoever said this for their word, considering what some people above who report having read portions of the novels have said. Remember that it's a regular novel, not a light novel, so you need to actually be proficient in Japanese to read it. EXACTLY! From what friends of mine who are learning Japanese have told me, one of the hardest parts of the language is that the way you say things like "He ate", "She ate", "I ate", and "They ate" are all, essentially, identical. You have to take the surrounding context, and, in spoken word, sometimes nonverbal cues, into account to determine the actual subject of the statement. I know I have read many, many translations where a person who is new to the language translated something as someone saying something like "I like her" when a more experienced translator chimed in and corrected it to "She likes me". It is possible to get things entirely wrong just by missing the context. (For all we know the statements that Reina confessed to Taki-sensei and it went over his head Reina told him that she chose this school because he was going to be the teacher and he didn't care so far there is far more screen time to the yuri ship than the icky teacher ship... That said, could there be a reason that KyoAni is so obviously enhancing the Yuri aspects of the early story, at least according to people who have read parts of the first book? Perhaps it is because the yuri happens later in the story and they are foreshadowing it because they don't want it to seem to have come out of nowhere? Who knows. I think it is clear that the story, as told by KyoAni, IS shoujo ai at the very least. There is no denying that after episode 8. It doesn't matter if they end up together or not, the story content is still there. |
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May 26, 2015 7:50 PM
#77
zensunni said: MihoWittmann said: I like that any romance is a secondary element to the story, and doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere (especially in the anime version) or take over the plot. Considering that, making the ED around the red string of fate image might have been troll-y, but it's no big deal. ramenshojo said: Just leave this here, don't know how reliable it is: http://trumpy-arts.tumblr.com/post/119124443690/lurking-around-the-hibike-tag-and-saw-a-reply Turns out the naysayers are right. I wouldn't take whoever said this for their word, considering what some people above who report having read portions of the novels have said. Remember that it's a regular novel, not a light novel, so you need to actually be proficient in Japanese to read it. EXACTLY! From what friends of mine who are learning Japanese have told me, one of the hardest parts of the language is that the way you say things like "He ate", "She ate", "I ate", and "They ate" are all, essentially, identical. You have to take the surrounding context, and, in spoken word, sometimes nonverbal cues, into account to determine the actual subject of the statement. I know I have read many, many translations where a person who is new to the language translated something as someone saying something like "I like her" when a more experienced translator chimed in and corrected it to "She likes me". It is possible to get things entirely wrong just by missing the context. (For all we know the statements that Reina confessed to Taki-sensei and it went over his head Reina told him that she chose this school because he was going to be the teacher and he didn't care so far there is far more screen time to the yuri ship than the icky teacher ship... That said, could there be a reason that KyoAni is so obviously enhancing the Yuri aspects of the early story, at least according to people who have read parts of the first book? Perhaps it is because the yuri happens later in the story and they are foreshadowing it because they don't want it to seem to have come out of nowhere? Who knows. I think it is clear that the story, as told by KyoAni, IS shoujo ai at the very least. There is no denying that after episode 8. It doesn't matter if they end up together or not, the story content is still there. Just hear the readers who read the book. |
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May 26, 2015 8:08 PM
#78
SweetCoconut said: I hope not. Kumiko and Reina's relationship is more better in platonic rather than romantic and the romance in this series is more a sub-plot. I would not mind it but my future ship will sunk so yeah. And it doesn't have to be romantic after all, a friendship can be stronger and deeper than romantic love sometimes. It could be applied to them. Actually, if their relationship seems to blur the line between friendship and romance, it might be more realistic than many standard romance plots. This quote from Rose Bridges, who, among other things, is a reviewer for the daily streaming reviews at ANN and also a bisexual woman, is about the way that the depictions of lesbian relationships in Yuri Kuma Arashi rang true for her, partly because of the way the story blurred that line... Rose_Bridges said: Another thing is the way that it blurs the line between friendship and romance. I’ve seen a lot of criticism for that but I think it’s absolutely intentional and ties in with the show’s themes, and it’s also something particular to the queer female experience (as in, it’s less true for gay and bisexual men, since the line between “platonic” and “romantic” affection with guys more strictly enforced). Even here, where we don’t have the weird Class S baggage per se that Japanese culture has about lesbians, female friendships can be very affectionate and it’s often hard to know if your interest in another girl crosses that line–and easily to deny it if it does. I had an inkling even at 13 that how I felt about certain other girls–being unable to stop looking at them in class, fantasizing about being close to them, feeling this powerful yearning to be around them all the time–was not that different from my crushes on boys. But because I didn’t want to believe it, it was easy to pretend it was just a “strong friendship” feeling. Which I think Yurikuma captures well with the way that all these girls who are clearly in love with each other keep referring to their girlfriends as “my special friend” or “best friend” or whatever. So, at least from the perspective of one person with experience, a story where a couple seems to have a very close friendship and both seem to have "more than friend" feelings for each other, yet they don't cross the line to openly dating, possibly even after some "more than friend" type of activity has occurred, wouldn't necessarily be unrealistic... But that is probably totally off topic, eh? LOL Imeon said: Just hear the readers who read the book. That's the problem. The majority of the quotes I have seen have come from people saying things like, "I've read most of the first book" or "I'm in the middle of the 2nd book", or "I got the third book and read the ending and the epilogue". I have yet to see any quotes from people that have actually read past part of book 2. The "I read the epilogue" one is particularly troublesome, since that is where the quote about Reina confessing to Taki-sensei the entirely ambiguous statement about her hairpin coming from her "boyfriend" Especially the part about the hairpin. It didn't seem like they actually knew who gave her the hairpin, so what meaning does it have to post about her first denying, then confirming that it was a gift from her "boyfriend"? |
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May 26, 2015 8:54 PM
#79
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May 26, 2015 9:23 PM
#80
I doubt it'll be anything canon or explicitly shown on the show since that doesn't seem to be the center conflict of the series plot itself, but it'll be probably hinted at or shown subtly, so at least we can ship KumikoxReina in peace, lol. I guess I might actually prefer it that way after the whole *spoiler* LoK disaster final and the underdeveloped way it was handled. |
May 26, 2015 10:12 PM
#81
Honestly, I hope it does end up going differently than the novel and introducing them as a gay pairing. I can't say I've ever seen a "shoujou ai" pairing done this well. Heck, calling it Shoujo Ai seems to reduce the importance of all of their scenes as most of episode 8 didn't even look like "Shoujou Ai"; it was far more like a serious, mature, lesbian love story. It was all extremely respectfully done, mature, and on-par or better than many romantic scenes in actual KyoAni straight pairings. I will seriously be disappointed if it turns out all of this goes nowhere and KyoAni forces those horrible relationships on these lovely characters. (Taki x Reina and Kumiko x Shuichi) I've never been so excited to see such a natural budding romance in an anime, let alone a non-comedic relief Yuri pairing like this. Please KyoAni... Let this all work out. Shuichi is a great guy n' all, but I really don't want Kumiko to start liking him out of nowhere. She has no interest in him and is completely infatuated with Reina. |
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May 26, 2015 11:15 PM
#82
zensunni said: Especially the part about the hairpin. It didn't seem like they actually knew who gave her the hairpin, so what meaning does it have to post about her first denying, then confirming that it was a gift from her "boyfriend"? Lets analyze that... Girl1: Is that from you boyfriend? Girl2: No.. uhm yes... Girl1: You're boyfriend is a girl! That's a very weird assumption. I think you are basing you "boyfriend is actually a girl" in some yuri manga I read long ago where females call their girlfriends as boyfriends.... >_> BRSxIgnition said: Please KyoAni... Let this all work out. Shuichi is a great guy n' all, but I really don't want Kumiko to start liking him out of nowhere. She has no interest in him and is completely infatuated with Reina. Unless they make an anime original ending, as far as I heard. There is not such thing as yuri in the novel and what you're seeing are just Kyoani doiung it's work to increase sales through "baiting". And regarding Kousaka x Kumiko, I find it forced. |
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May 26, 2015 11:32 PM
#83
Imeon said: zensunni said: Especially the part about the hairpin. It didn't seem like they actually knew who gave her the hairpin, so what meaning does it have to post about her first denying, then confirming that it was a gift from her "boyfriend"? Lets analyze that... Girl1: Is that from you boyfriend? Girl2: No.. uhm yes... Girl1: You're boyfriend is a girl! That's a very weird assumption. I think you are basing you "boyfriend is actually a girl" in some yuri manga I read long ago where females call their girlfriends as boyfriends.... >_> BRSxIgnition said: Please KyoAni... Let this all work out. Shuichi is a great guy n' all, but I really don't want Kumiko to start liking him out of nowhere. She has no interest in him and is completely infatuated with Reina. Unless they make an anime original ending, as far as I heard. There is not such thing as yuri in the novel and what you're seeing are just Kyoani doiung it's work to increase sales through "baiting". And regarding Kousaka x Kumiko, I find it forced. The content in one of your spoiler tags doesn't even follow simple English grammar. Are you sure it was properly translated? Bait or not, the ship will most likely sink soon enough. It's KyoAni after all. Let's not ruin it for those who are looking forward to a good end, i.e. Kumiko x Eupho end. |
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May 26, 2015 11:34 PM
#84
Imeon said: im not going to argue with someone with a hachiman avy cuz i can already tell ur going to embody his personality and come at me with some dumb shit Moodie said: doesnt matter Denial to the very end. if u cant tell this is shoujo ai then ur either blind or other things i rather not say for the sake of not getting banned |
May 26, 2015 11:42 PM
#85
Moodie said: Imeon said: im not going to argue with someone with a hachiman avy cuz i can already tell ur going to embody his personality and come at me with some dumb shit Moodie said: doesnt matter Denial to the very end. if u cant tell this is shoujo ai then ur either blind or other things i rather not say for the sake of not getting banned I doing a poll to hear everyone's opinion and not just one sided ones, who likes to claim "official statements.' shanimebib said: Sorry not American.Imeon said: zensunni said: Especially the part about the hairpin. It didn't seem like they actually knew who gave her the hairpin, so what meaning does it have to post about her first denying, then confirming that it was a gift from her "boyfriend"? Lets analyze that... Girl1: Is that from you boyfriend? Girl2: No.. uhm yes... Girl1: You're boyfriend is a girl! That's a very weird assumption. I think you are basing you "boyfriend is actually a girl" in some yuri manga I read long ago where females call their girlfriends as boyfriends.... >_> BRSxIgnition said: Please KyoAni... Let this all work out. Shuichi is a great guy n' all, but I really don't want Kumiko to start liking him out of nowhere. She has no interest in him and is completely infatuated with Reina. Unless they make an anime original ending, as far as I heard. There is not such thing as yuri in the novel and what you're seeing are just Kyoani doiung it's work to increase sales through "baiting". And regarding Kousaka x Kumiko, I find it forced. The content in one of your spoiler tags doesn't even follow simple English grammar. Are you sure it was properly translated? |
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May 26, 2015 11:58 PM
#86
Moodie said: Imeon said: im not going to argue with someone with a hachiman avy cuz i can already tell ur going to embody his personality and come at me with some dumb shit Moodie said: doesnt matter Denial to the very end. if u cant tell this is shoujo ai then ur either blind or other things i rather not say for the sake of not getting banned What does someone's avatar have to do with their comments? You for example, sound nothing like Ononoki. |
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May 26, 2015 11:59 PM
#87
shanimebib said: i can feel him oozing through my computerMoodie said: Imeon said: Moodie said: doesnt matter Denial to the very end. if u cant tell this is shoujo ai then ur either blind or other things i rather not say for the sake of not getting banned What does someone's avatar have to do with their comments? You for example, sound nothing like Ononoki. |
May 27, 2015 12:09 AM
#88
^ I'm sure you are in love with Hiki and you're confused. ^_< |
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May 27, 2015 9:46 PM
#90
Imeon said: zensunni said: Especially the part about the hairpin. It didn't seem like they actually knew who gave her the hairpin, so what meaning does it have to post about her first denying, then confirming that it was a gift from her "boyfriend"? Lets analyze that... Girl1: Is that from you boyfriend? Girl2: No.. uhm yes... Girl1: You're boyfriend is a girl! That's a very weird assumption. I think you are basing you "boyfriend is actually a girl" in some yuri manga I read long ago where females call their girlfriends as boyfriends.... >_> BRSxIgnition said: Please KyoAni... Let this all work out. Shuichi is a great guy n' all, but I really don't want Kumiko to start liking him out of nowhere. She has no interest in him and is completely infatuated with Reina. Unless they make an anime original ending, as far as I heard. There is not such thing as yuri in the novel and what you're seeing are just Kyoani doiung it's work to increase sales through "baiting". And regarding Kousaka x Kumiko, I find it forced. About your first spoiler block: It is not uncommon for people who are keeping their relationship secret to refer to their significant other by the socially acceptable gender term and I have seen it in many, many manga. About your last spoiler block... Have you read the novel? Have you read any posts by anyone who has read beyond part of the 2nd novel? It is an ongoing novel series and, in most cases, the creator works with the animation studio to ensure that the story isn't butchered beyond belief. Many of the comments I've read that state that they are upping the yuri content has to do with nonverbal cues and things like that. Considering that the novel is not even a light novel, it isn't unlikely that the nonverbal things are harder to see in the novel. In any event, unless KyoAni entirely created the verbal exchanges between Reina and Kumiko in episode 8, there IS shoujo ai in the novel. That exchange, and especially Kumiko's inner monologue, certainly shows that there is an attraction between them that goes beyond normal friendship. EDIT: Oh, and as for finding it forced... I think you are alone in that. In fact, one professional review I read stated that the relationships and character interactions in Euphonium are some of the most natural and realistic that they have seen in a long time. The vast majority of us see the Reina x Kumiko relationship as being very natural. If any of the relationships in the anime are forced, it is the one between Hazuki and Shuuichi, though that comes across as awkward on purpose, I think. EDIT: I just thought I would share this site that I found with an excerpt from the novel.. For those that are saying that there is no yuri in the novels, I suggest that they are not reading it right... Here is a quote from the translation, in spoilers for those who don't want to be... With steamy red cheeks, Reina timidly felt Kumiko’s hand. “Kumiko,” was all she said as she suddenly embraced Kumiko. Kumiko became flustered as she felt a soft sensation through her clothes. Reina wrapped her hands tightly around Kumiko. Kumiko’s hands shook as she timidly put her own hands around Reina’s back. “Kumiko,” she repeated. Hearing Reina say her name put Kumiko at a loss for words, so she just slowly caressed Reina’s back. She could feel Reina’s backbone through her uniform. As she did so, her fingers got stuck where Reina’s underwear was. “Do you think I’m wrong?” “I don’t think so.” “For real?” “Yeah.” “I see,” Fine then. After replying, she buried her face into Kumiko’s shoulder. Her long, silky hair flowed behind her The site said that it was from the fourth chapter of the first novel... |
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May 28, 2015 12:53 AM
#91
zensunni said: Imeon said: zensunni said: Especially the part about the hairpin. It didn't seem like they actually knew who gave her the hairpin, so what meaning does it have to post about her first denying, then confirming that it was a gift from her "boyfriend"? Lets analyze that... Girl1: Is that from you boyfriend? Girl2: No.. uhm yes... Girl1: You're boyfriend is a girl! That's a very weird assumption. I think you are basing you "boyfriend is actually a girl" in some yuri manga I read long ago where females call their girlfriends as boyfriends.... >_> BRSxIgnition said: Please KyoAni... Let this all work out. Shuichi is a great guy n' all, but I really don't want Kumiko to start liking him out of nowhere. She has no interest in him and is completely infatuated with Reina. Unless they make an anime original ending, as far as I heard. There is not such thing as yuri in the novel and what you're seeing are just Kyoani doiung it's work to increase sales through "baiting". And regarding Kousaka x Kumiko, I find it forced. About your first spoiler block: It is not uncommon for people who are keeping their relationship secret to refer to their significant other by the socially acceptable gender term and I have seen it in many, many manga. About your last spoiler block... Have you read the novel? Have you read any posts by anyone who has read beyond part of the 2nd novel? It is an ongoing novel series and, in most cases, the creator works with the animation studio to ensure that the story isn't butchered beyond belief. Many of the comments I've read that state that they are upping the yuri content has to do with nonverbal cues and things like that. Considering that the novel is not even a light novel, it isn't unlikely that the nonverbal things are harder to see in the novel. In any event, unless KyoAni entirely created the verbal exchanges between Reina and Kumiko in episode 8, there IS shoujo ai in the novel. That exchange, and especially Kumiko's inner monologue, certainly shows that there is an attraction between them that goes beyond normal friendship. EDIT: Oh, and as for finding it forced... I think you are alone in that. In fact, one professional review I read stated that the relationships and character interactions in Euphonium are some of the most natural and realistic that they have seen in a long time. The vast majority of us see the Reina x Kumiko relationship as being very natural. If any of the relationships in the anime are forced, it is the one between Hazuki and Shuuichi, though that comes across as awkward on purpose, I think. EDIT: I just thought I would share this site that I found with an excerpt from the novel.. For those that are saying that there is no yuri in the novels, I suggest that they are not reading it right... Here is a quote from the translation, in spoilers for those who don't want to be... With steamy red cheeks, Reina timidly felt Kumiko’s hand. “Kumiko,” was all she said as she suddenly embraced Kumiko. Kumiko became flustered as she felt a soft sensation through her clothes. Reina wrapped her hands tightly around Kumiko. Kumiko’s hands shook as she timidly put her own hands around Reina’s back. “Kumiko,” she repeated. Hearing Reina say her name put Kumiko at a loss for words, so she just slowly caressed Reina’s back. She could feel Reina’s backbone through her uniform. As she did so, her fingers got stuck where Reina’s underwear was. “Do you think I’m wrong?” “I don’t think so.” “For real?” “Yeah.” “I see,” Fine then. After replying, she buried her face into Kumiko’s shoulder. Her long, silky hair flowed behind her The site said that it was from the fourth chapter of the first novel... LOL I agree that that is yurilicious but what does Reina mean that " Do you think I'm wrong?" It's pretty obvious that that particular scene is for comedy. It still hold nothing. The blogger obviously post an INCOMPLETE SECTION of the novel. What are they talking about? What happen before that? I'm sure about something, the way Reina talked, she's definitely in "pain" and saying Kumiko's name means she needs help, help for what? That's the BIG QUESTION. |
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May 28, 2015 1:58 AM
#92
Imeon said: LOL I agree that that is yurilicious but what does Reina mean that " Do you think I'm wrong?" It's pretty obvious that that particular scene is for comedy. It still hold nothing. The blogger obviously post an INCOMPLETE SECTION of the novel. What are they talking about? What happen before that? I'm sure about something, the way Reina talked, she's definitely in "pain" and saying Kumiko's name means she needs help, help for what? That's the BIG QUESTION. The quote is obviously missing some context but honestly the exact context isn't really as important to me as the way it's written. Like, that is the most ridiculously intimate way you could have possibly written that scene, when it comes to something like comforting a friend. It could partially be the result of a biased translator to be fair, but if it's remotely like that it's pretty ridiculous." And... maybe I just don't have a sense of humor but I don't see anything particularly comedic about that sequence from what little context we get? And since it seems to be Reina comforting Kumiko about something, why would you randomly add comedy to that anyway? It makes no sense. And if you aren't inclined to the cynical "yuri pandering will get us more sales" mindset, KyoAni really clearly is framing scenes the way they are for a reason, and phrasing dialogue in the most suggestive way possible for a reason, and the author is most likely signing off on at least some of this for a reason. The cynics could be right, naturally, as they often are. But I can see some argument for a more charitable point of view too- that they're doing this because this IS actually the direction the author intends to go, and the novel readers are misinterpreting things. |
ShameNinjaMay 28, 2015 2:01 AM
May 28, 2015 2:17 AM
#93
ShameNinja said: Imeon said: LOL I agree that that is yurilicious but what does Reina mean that " Do you think I'm wrong?" It's pretty obvious that that particular scene is for comedy. It still hold nothing. The blogger obviously post an INCOMPLETE SECTION of the novel. What are they talking about? What happen before that? I'm sure about something, the way Reina talked, she's definitely in "pain" and saying Kumiko's name means she needs help, help for what? That's the BIG QUESTION. The quote is obviously missing some context but honestly the exact context isn't really as important to me as the way it's written. Like, that is the most ridiculously intimate way you could have possibly written that scene, when it comes to something like comforting a friend. It could partially be the result of a biased translator to be fair, but if it's remotely like that it's pretty ridiculous." And... maybe I just don't have a sense of humor but I don't see anything particularly comedic about that sequence from what little context we get? And since it seems to be Reina comforting Kumiko about something, why would you randomly add comedy to that anyway? It makes no sense. And if you aren't inclined to the cynical "yuri pandering will get us more sales" mindset, KyoAni really clearly is framing scenes the way they are for a reason, and phrasing dialogue in the most suggestive way possible for a reason, and the author is most likely signing off on at least some of this for a reason. The cynics could be right, naturally, as they often are. But I can see some argument for a more charitable point of view too- that they're doing this because this IS actually the direction the author intends to go, and the novel readers are misinterpreting things. I was about to stop here and wait for next week but I just had to reply for the question. "As she did so, her fingers got stuck where Reina’s underwear was." and the other that was REMOVED " She had stepped on Reina’s skirt, but Reina did not seem to mind. Her soft-looking thighs peeked out from under her dark blue skirt." I'm not stepping on the fact that Reina is having bad time at that scene. Just how that two were had to be written and told. Anyway, I'm more interested on WHAT made Reina SAD. I'll comment again for episode 9 coz, my life is endanger... hahahah!!!! |
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May 28, 2015 2:46 AM
#94
Fuck me I should have picked this after the show ended. I'm very prone to spoilers. So from what I gathered there's a shit ton of Yuri moments in the novel so people who are bitching and whining about Kyoani baiting people can shut the fuck up since it's in the original source, but in the end though Kumiko ends up with Shuichi so there's that. |
May 28, 2015 2:52 AM
#95
gnodab said: Fuck me I should have picked this after the show ended. I'm very prone to spoilers. So from what I gathered there's a shit ton of Yuri moments in the novel so people who are bitching and whining about Kyoani baiting people can shut the fuck up since it's in the original source, but in the end though Kumiko ends up with Shuichi so there's that. XD |
RPSB9May 28, 2015 5:06 AM
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May 28, 2015 4:45 AM
#96
as a person who have watched a lot of anime and read a lot of books and manga I have seen a lot of what you people would call yuri subtext and I cant deny that people who would yuri ship would definetly ship reina and kumiko especially after episode 8 but from what ive seen up untill now I am still not convinced that there is anything romantic between reina and kumiko I think its a more perspective oriented thing were some people would see their interaction as romantic and others dont and I think thats exacly what kyoani is aiming at it makes it more interesting for a bigger audience. But the way I see it is that reina and kumiko are people who connect at a deep level people who really understand each other and they dont need to be romanticly atracted to each other for that to happen for me thats how a real good friend is like someone who really understand you and I think that was really the point in the whole mountain part of episode 8. Also considering reinas weird and charming personality it should honestly be expected for her to act in a suggestive way I mean even kumiko called her twisted ( in a good way ). I think its not something as simple as love I think the characters in this story is deeper than what they really show especially reina shes the type of person who is different the type of person that I would call mentally superior they have a different way of looking at the world a lot of what we would consider normal or abnormal is meaningless to them they have this charming and confident air around them that sucks you in and make it hard to oppose them. they dont try to be normal they try to be special and are usually pretty hardworking ang great people. people tend to either completely idolize them or entirely hate them. I would say kumiko is a bit like that to but shes more normal and easily swayed the type of person who would try to blend in but still tend to say whats on her mind even if she dont mean to. So considering reinas personality and the connection she and kumiko have I think that their interaction are pretty normal. I think that all the blushing and what you people would call yuri subtext is just reina triyng to talk and befriend kumiko but did not know how or did not get the right opportunity so akward moment happened and they blushes and at the mountain in episode 8 she finaly got the chance to befriend kumiko and showed her what kind of person she is so considering reinas personality thats just how reina interacts with a person who she find interesting and kumiko is one such person a person who can understand her and kumiko did understand and had that nearly magical time. I understand that some people would see it as suggestive but I personally think that they are just very good friends that have a deep conection and because of their quirky personalities they embarrass each other sometimes. and like i have said before the easiest way to see that this anime does not have yuri or shoujo ai is to simply look at the genres. |
shirozawa-shiroMay 28, 2015 4:49 AM
May 28, 2015 7:14 AM
#97
gnodab said: Fuck me I should have picked this after the show ended. I'm very prone to spoilers. So from what I gathered there's a shit ton of Yuri moments in the novel so people who are bitching and whining about Kyoani baiting people can shut the fuck up since it's in the original source, but in the end though Kumiko ends up with Shuichi so there's that. First things first, put that in spoilers! Not everyone wants open discussion of future aspects of the story. Second, the novels are ongoing. They aren't done yet. So... If she is "with Shuuichi" at the point that the novels are at, there is no guarantee that she will be at the end. Indeed, the way many shoujo stories go, it is far more likely that she will date the wrong person for a while, then eventually break up with them because she realizes who she really loves. This is a common shoujo trope. It is also important to remember that this series of novels are NOT light novels or manga, but mainstream young adult fiction. It is likely that the standard tropes we are used to will not hold for this author, since he is not necessarily a genre writer. (I assume the author is a he... I saw the name and some comments he made on the official web-site, badly translated by Google, and it had a masculine feel to it... I could be wrong though...) In any event, I am loving the series! I would love to read the original novels, but I get the strange feeling that I would be disappointed because the music would have to all be in my head. (Granted, I thoroughly enjoyed Your Lie In April in manga form without the music, though I did occasionally Google up a performance of the pieces they were performing to spice it up, as I also did with Sayonara Piano Sonata.) Somehow I expect that it would be more difficult to do that with concert band music than with classical piano and violin solos or rock... (I still wish someone would do Sayonara Piano Sonata, just so I could hear the electric guitar/electric bass "duel" near the end of the first novel...) That and the background art is so sublime that I would miss it when reading a plain black-and-white novel... |
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May 28, 2015 7:20 AM
#98
zensunni said: (I assume the author is a he... I saw the name and some comments he made on the official web-site, badly translated by Google, and it had a masculine feel to it... I could be wrong though...) Nope, is a she http://myanimelist.net/people/34941/Takeda_Ayano |
May 28, 2015 7:47 AM
#99
zensunni said: First things first, put that in spoilers! Not everyone wants open discussion of future aspects of the story. Second, the novels are ongoing. They aren't done yet. So... I don't know why you're surprised since I'm merely echoing what's already been said in this thread. Also the series ended with vol 3 apparently, and vol 4 is a collection of short-stories. Of course this is second-hand information and I could be wrong. |
May 28, 2015 9:02 AM
#100
Doubledog said: zensunni said: (I assume the author is a he... I saw the name and some comments he made on the official web-site, badly translated by Google, and it had a masculine feel to it... I could be wrong though...) Nope, is a she http://myanimelist.net/people/34941/Takeda_Ayano Thanks! Good to know. (Not sure that I was seeing the author's name now. that doesn't ring a bell...) |
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