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Darkmoq said: it was more like it was put out there but then you were given no real reason to think in that direction. they explained shit and you had to go through saber's route first which put you in a position to were this should be something that you would not draw a conclusion to. until around this point at which they basically tell the reader without just spelling it (and it was told before the church encounter) so then going into the scenes you may or may not have gotten it. there will be another time coming up soon were they say it again without actually "saying it" too. but as far as the audience figuring it out? i wanna say yes? kind of? when it's outright said it's kind of more like a okay if you hadnt gotten it by now here.Was Rin's explanation of the pendant was supposed to be a mindfuck moment for the audience? It's hard to imagine considering we saw Shirou’s 2nd pendant in E2, and got heavy-handed foreshadowing like every other episode. Did the VN make it so obvious? When were you supposed to figure it out and when did Shirou figure it out? |
Maloghurst said: Darkmoq said: it was more like it was put out there but then you were given no real reason to think in that direction. they explained shit and you had to go through saber's route first which put you in a position to were this should be something that you would not draw a conclusion to. until around this point at which they basically tell the reader without just spelling it (and it was told before the church encounter) so then going into the scenes you may or may not have gotten it. there will be another time coming up soon were they say it again without actually "saying it" too. but as far as the audience figuring it out? i wanna say yes? kind of? when it's outright said it's kind of more like a okay if you hadnt gotten it by now here.Was Rin's explanation of the pendant was supposed to be a mindfuck moment for the audience? It's hard to imagine considering we saw Shirou’s 2nd pendant in E2, and got heavy-handed foreshadowing like every other episode. Did the VN make it so obvious? When were you supposed to figure it out and when did Shirou figure it out? Tl;dr the foreshadowing in the source material is subtler and there are far more redherrings(not to mention a lot of assumptions that anime viewers make due to all the explanations the show has cut, would never be made in vn), while in anime the foreshadowing is as subtle as getting hit in the face with an anvil. |
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CookingPriest said: Maloghurst said: it was more like it was put out there but then you were given no real reason to think in that direction. they explained shit and you had to go through saber's route first which put you in a position to were this should be something that you would not draw a conclusion to. until around this point at which they basically tell the reader without just spelling it (and it was told before the church encounter) so then going into the scenes you may or may not have gotten it. there will be another time coming up soon were they say it again without actually "saying it" too. but as far as the audience figuring it out? i wanna say yes? kind of? when it's outright said it's kind of more like a okay if you hadnt gotten it by now here. Tl;dr the foreshadowing in the source material is subtler and there are far more redherrings(not to mention a lot of assumptions that anime viewers make due to all the explanations the show has cut, would never be made in vn), while in anime the foreshadowing is as subtle as getting hit in the face with an anvil. Have you considered the possibility that it may not be as unsubtle as it seems to you for people who are going in blind? |
Forgetfulness said: Yet somehow I bet a significant portion of anime-onlies didn't even realize there are two pendants :| Thanks to how ufo is adapting this and simplifying this adaptation, "significant portion of anime onlies" treats this as "fighting battle royale shonen", watches for the fights and action and complains that there's too much "slice of life" in between that. Those who do not take that approach have long since figured it out, either via horribly wrong assumptions(because of lack of any explanation for you know what) or due to sheer obviousness in "foreshadowing". |
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| I don't mind spoilers so if someone could just tell me if Rin and Shirou end up at the end, that would be great :D |
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lucjan said: I don't mind spoilers so if someone could just tell me if Rin and Shirou end up at the end, that would be great :D this episode more or less confirms it,doesn't it? ;) |
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chat77 said: lucjan said: I don't mind spoilers so if someone could just tell me if Rin and Shirou end up at the end, that would be great :D this episode more or less confirms it,doesn't it? ;) They're already together, so I suppose the question is equivalent to asking if they both survive, and if anybody comes between them. |
fst said: chat77 said: this episode more or less confirms it,doesn't it? ;) They're already together, so I suppose the question is equivalent to asking if they both survive, and if anybody comes between them. Well the first one is sorta major spoiler so strict no and for the second bolded part,after seeing Shirou react that way,do you think he will actually allow someone,lol? |
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Forgetfulness said: CookingPriest said: tbh I doubt there was ever a hope for F/sn to be treated seriously by the stupider side of anime fansThanks to how ufo is adapting this and simplifying this adaptation, "significant portion of anime onlies" treats this as "fighting battle royale shonen", watches for the fights and action and complains that there's too much "slice of life" in between that. Those who do not take that approach have long since figured it out, either via horribly wrong assumptions(because of lack of any explanation for you know what) or due to sheer obviousness in "foreshadowing". Oh, DEENight exists? It's shit Oh, there's like maybe a handful of irrelevant h-scenes in the source material? Porn game Oh, Shirou is a teenager? Generic shounen protag Oh, characters go to high school? Immature Oh, the MC has a sister-mother figure and a kouhai? Harem anime All of these things must be constant or it's not Fate/stay night, no mater what studio does it. And your assumptions aren't always correct. I'm watching it with other people who take F/sn seriously and they don't make stupid assumptions about projection because they actually fucking pay attention to explanations. It is kind of hard to take ufofsn seriously when it is way shallower than it should be and gives absolutely no reason for anime onlies to believe it is NOT a generic battle royale shonen harem action show with immature shonen protagonist. Handful of irrelevant scenes in source material are not what makes people go porngame(well apart from trolls). It is consistent male gaze fanservice, needless but shots and other bullshit like that in this adaptation. Shirou being a teenager does not make him a shonen protagonist. Ufo NOT showing anything deeper than that does make him a shonen protagonist. Especially with this altered backstory. Characters going to highchool would not matter if all the IMPORTANT things were kept where they should be instead of most of eating/comedy/sliceoflife being adapted. Sister-mother and kouhai would not get so much attention if Miura did not Waifu it up. Every single female in this adaptation is genuinely more stereotypical and less realistic. Rin alone is great example - one of very realistic humane characters in VN got turned into overreacting abusive generic tsundere I love to hate in ufofsn. And you are right, after ufofsn, it will be even harded to convince people that no, FSN is not a generic action shonen with shallow dumb protag. |
AhenshihaelApr 26, 2015 12:38 AM
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| Nice Rin teasing this episode. No huge fight scene though. |
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CookingPriest said: Forgetfulness said: tbh I doubt there was ever a hope for F/sn to be treated seriously by the stupider side of anime fans Oh, DEENight exists? It's shit Oh, there's like maybe a handful of irrelevant h-scenes in the source material? Porn game Oh, Shirou is a teenager? Generic shounen protag Oh, characters go to high school? Immature Oh, the MC has a sister-mother figure and a kouhai? Harem anime All of these things must be constant or it's not Fate/stay night, no mater what studio does it. And your assumptions aren't always correct. I'm watching it with other people who take F/sn seriously and they don't make stupid assumptions about projection because they actually fucking pay attention to explanations. It is kind of hard to take ufofsn seriously when it is way shallower than it should be and gives absolutely no reason for anime onlies to believe it is NOT a generic battle royale shonen harem action show with immature shonen protagonist. And yet there is no shortage of people who don't think it's a battle shounen. So clearly there must be some reason. |
| Shiro trying to be the tragic hero will never work because he's just not that strong and Rin blushing..again |
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| Welp looks like im starting to dislike Rin now too. Those two were seriously retarded in front of Lancer. I thought they didn't include the heart ripping out scene lol looks like I was wrong |
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WrongPriest said: Seriously?He cant even tell what is the purpose of a scene(Pendant talk for shirou to realize) or about what it is talking about(Counter Force).It feels like you would legitimately just like the VN more lol Although I don't know if you would make it past Fate route to get there. It isnt an adaptation problem.If he watched the Counter Force scene and what he got is then the lore simply isnt for him |
ssjokgApr 26, 2015 2:06 AM
| A good episode. I'll admit though, I expected a little bit more...emotional scene for Gil taking the heart out. It felt, I don't know, bland, rushed... I really don't know how to explain it. I think Illya losing her heart had greater impact on me while reading VN. Maybe it's just a memory. Still, quite good episode, 4/5. And so much hate in this thread. Maybe it's because I read VN that I don't care about stuff skipped/shortened and am just enjoying the ride. For me, this anime is great, I absolutely love it. Then again, it is ranked 30th, so maybe I am just noticing hate easier than all the praise. |
Darkmoq said: le stuff Whether I'm allowed to distinguish if information left out due to a POV change is detrimental to the anime without starting a war.. >.> <.< I feel you'll probably answer your own questions yourself as you go through the VN, as one thing it certainly isn't lacking is an abundance of information. -The date should make sense, at least in hindsight. -Shirou's perspective on Rin in some earlier scenes will pad out the relationship gaps. Also as you might have noticed by now but Shirou dies a comedic amount of times. Finding all the dumb deaths is basically the only Minigame, You get stamps for it :3 |
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nina4life said: And so much hate in this thread. Maybe it's because I read VN that I don't care about stuff skipped/shortened and am just enjoying the ride. For me, this anime is great, I absolutely love it. Then again, it is ranked 30th, so maybe I am just noticing hate easier than all the praise. Really? This episode thread has been almost overwhelmingly positive save a few sourpusses. I'm actually almost proud of it. Although I guess it is easier to see the hate when it's in all caps. |
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| Also it wouldn't be surprising if some have been put off from commenting on this sub forum at all, even if it might be better now compared to before. Can't blame them. Well I particularly liked the talk about Shirou's mindset and past, as well as Lancer joining up with Shirou and Rin. Servant-wise, I think Lancer is up there with Rider for me. Well obviously Lancer is better in UBW anyway. Oh yea and the small convo between Archer and Kuzuki. Surprisingly good. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what exactly will happen in the next episode. Fighting, yes, but will any of that be concluded in the next one, or will it take place over two+ episodes? I don't know that. |
HarlequinaApr 26, 2015 4:37 AM
| Rin and Shinji's expressions are worth the ticket price for this ep. |
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| Well, the important parts were all in so that makes me happy, however i have a giant cup of salt to go with this as well: 3.5/5 |
| Good episode. I still don't understand how there can be two Archer's in the Holy Grail War at the same time. Gilgamesh and Rin's first Servant whose name we don't know yet. Can someone explain this? |
BoneofSword said: Well, the important parts were all in so that makes me happy, however i have a giant cup of salt to go with this as well: 3.5/5 I agree that the priorities are F'd. Which conversation are you talking about though? Zemroid said: Good episode. I still don't understand how there can be two Archer's in the Holy Grail War at the same time. Gilgamesh and Rin's first Servant whose name we don't know yet. Can someone explain this? Soontm |
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WrongPriest said: BoneofSword said: Well, the important parts were all in so that makes me happy, however i have a giant cup of salt to go with this as well: 3.5/5 I agree that the priorities are F'd. Which conversation are you talking about though? The part after lancer joins and his talks with Rin and Shirou on the way. It had Lancer's character established quite nicely. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20206/ |
BoneofSword said: WrongPriest said: I agree that the priorities are F'd. Which conversation are you talking about though? The part after lancer joins and his talks with Rin and Shirou on the way. It had Lancer's character established quite nicely. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20206/ "What, we can't talk because we're going to be enemies? You have less composure than you look like you have, huh? It should be natural for you to drink until dawn with someone that gets along with you, even if he may be your enemy." Lol, If they had included that F/Z Rider would have no reason for existing. Can't let one bro have it all. |
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| At least there's one Servant who joined forces with Shirou and Rin to fight the enemy faction. Gotta love Rin's reactions when Shirou told Lancer to keep his distance from her. xD Hands off mah gurl! |
Zemroid said: Good episode. I still don't understand how there can be two Archer's in the Holy Grail War at the same time. Gilgamesh and Rin's first Servant whose name we don't know yet. Can someone explain this? zero spoiler I guess: The HGW's rules are extremely malleable to the extent you wonder why zero played them up so much... |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
WrongPriest said: BoneofSword said: The part after lancer joins and his talks with Rin and Shirou on the way. It had Lancer's character established quite nicely. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20206/ "What, we can't talk because we're going to be enemies? You have less composure than you look like you have, huh? It should be natural for you to drink until dawn with someone that gets along with you, even if he may be your enemy." Lol, If they had included that F/Z Rider would have no reason for existing. Can't let one bro have it all. That's the quote that cemented Ransa as the one true bro to me tho |
BoneofSword said: WrongPriest said: "What, we can't talk because we're going to be enemies? You have less composure than you look like you have, huh? It should be natural for you to drink until dawn with someone that gets along with you, even if he may be your enemy." Lol, If they had included that F/Z Rider would have no reason for existing. Can't let one bro have it all. That's the quote that cemented Ransa as the one true bro to me tho 5 min cut content, which essentially means that 1/5th of the episode was missing. |
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| The funny thing is Shirou was screaming after illya died last episode but this episode he was just chilling out seeing Gilgamesh rip some hearts out. XD I didn't read the VN so I don't know what going on in his head.. |
| That was... a lot better than I expected. Hell, I think it might even be the best one so far. THE GOOD: -Shinji. XD There's just something very sad about his character, even if I have admittedly wanted to stab him on multiple occasions. I wish they'd focus on his insane/delusional side more often instead of just using him as a comic relief. -Shirou's expressions during your distortion. Have to give credit where it's due and Shirou's PTSD face is pretty solid. -Rin-sama embarrassed. 500/5 -Lancer being Lancer. THE NOT SO GOOD: -Heart surgery. But I guess it makes sense since everything Illya related has been underwhelming this cour. It just makes me wonder why they didn't tack it on at the end of the previous ep. Maybe gotten rid of that wolves omnomnom scene to make space. As anticlimactic as the surgery was, I think it actually would've benefited from that. Something like a final blow after Illya's death. AND the tone shift wouldn't have been so jarring. -Tone shift. While I loved the "MY tsundere" scene, rushing the first half like that made it seem out of place. I'd have like it better had this been in the next ep instead. The Rin/Shirou confrontation was an ideal place for an extended Shirou flashback and I wish they'd have gone down this route instead. -Still no projection or tracing explanations. They're walking into a trap of their own making and I'd love to see how they'd fail to get out of this one when the time comes. THE MIXED BAG: -The flashback. While Shirou walking through the fire closing his ears was brilliant, the fire itself was not. We see how Shirou reacted but we don't see what it is he is reacting to so strongly. Shirou's state of mind makes no sense if they don't show just how hellish that whole thing was. -They conveyed the survivor's guilt well enough but have failed to convey just how empty he is as a person. Are they planning to elaborate? Possibly, considering they're pretty much running out of content but is it really a good idea to have waited this long? What can they even salvage at this point? -Archer/Kuzuki conversation. While that "right and wrong" bit at the end was interesting, all the rest of it did was remind me of the fiasco that was Caster's backstory. They could've just lingered more on the first half longer or something. 3.5-4/5 |
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black1blade said: Zemroid said: Good episode. I still don't understand how there can be two Archer's in the Holy Grail War at the same time. Gilgamesh and Rin's first Servant whose name we don't know yet. Can someone explain this? zero spoiler I guess: The HGW's rules are extremely malleable to the extent you wonder why zero played them up so much... It's explained in detail in UBW, there's no need to give F/Z spoilers. |
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ijuka said: black1blade said: zero spoiler I guess: The HGW's rules are extremely malleable to the extent you wonder why zero played them up so much... It's explained in detail in UBW, there's no need to give F/Z spoilers. But was it explained before this point? |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: ijuka said: It's explained in detail in UBW, there's no need to give F/Z spoilers. But was it explained before this point? No way, they only just met the dude. |
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WrongPriest said: black1blade said: But was it explained before this point? No way, they only just met the dude. yeah but he does have |
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| Ehehehe great episode. I'm glad the Anime remembered Emiya's confession to Rin. Rin was cute as always. I never thought I'd be this glad to see Lancer returning. Can't wait for the fight between him and Archer next episode! |
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| Lancer. Found my best boy. |
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| If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer? |
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Hyack said: If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer?  |
WrongPriestApr 26, 2015 7:43 AM
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WrongPriest said: Hyack said: If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer? [spoiler]  [/spoiler] lol |
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Hyack said: If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer? Lol dude. |
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Hyack said: If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer? archer is actually a cameo appearance for this guy or so i've heard that its where nasu got inspired to make archer, they have similar back-stories as well. |
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Hyack said: If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer? Master detective ;3 |
Hyack said: If there are two pendants and Rin only knows about it. She received it from her dad.. does that mean that her dad is Archer? You nailed it !!!!! |
| Nice episode overall, but did not really like the "I am not giving you Rin" scene & the last scene when Rin told Shirou about the pendant. The "I am not giving you Rin" scene was really stupid move from Shriou & seemed like it's just to show us Rin's awkward response. Which was good for her fans. And of course that pendant scene, which was really unnecessary. What's that for? "I just wanted to let you know that there's only one pendant. That's the only thing I wanted to tell you. Nothing more." I already know that(& the other things that she explained). And if that's for another foreshadowing about who Archer really is, that's still unnecessary. |
| I like anime. |
| How was it a stupid move lol? Lancer was hitting on the girl he just confessed to. |
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