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| What about Ilya, I'm sure to have an Archer who can shoot an arrow that generated a mini atomic explosion, at least, surprised her. And stay in this power range of action is not smart, even more unaware that heroic spirit he is. Attack from the front, even potentially being the servant and stronger warmage in any parameter, is a mistaken strategy that tends to fail, even if it is against a mage (Shirou could not do anything at that time) and two servants, with a close combat servant body and another servant to combat long distances. |
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| Spoiler where? Because I don't see it FlameseeK said: Reason for not fighting any further. Saying anything beyond that would be a spoiler. So she had a reason! I though it was just the cliche of the bad guy speaking the terrifying things she/he will do to the protagonist honestly WrongPriest said: Bah, what a dirty mind you have Key. Ofcourse I would never pair any man with Rider. Really? That italics are suspicious but let me brofist you(?), and it's still your fault because of the bar ;) |
KeyToCourageJan 14, 2015 8:25 AM
| Actually, that's true... that scene happens in ep 8, so taking about it here is a spoiler. I thought it happened in this episode. This is pretty offtopic lol. Oh wait, it happened beforer ep7. It's still offtopic though, but at least it's not a spoiler. |
tsudecimo said: Actually she can't be sure that she has the advantage. Archer broke his NP, as if it were disposable. Doing something reckless like this means he has some dangerous tricks up his sleeve.chickenonthepan said: Berserker vs. Saber vs. Archer? Not so much. I'm sure there is a cut scene when they talk about Broken Phantasm. Archer destroyed his Noble Phantasm right there. That must have shocked Illya. Yeah, it shocked and she shifted her interest into Archer from Saber, but that shouldn't mean that she should just leave, if she has the advantage over them in terms of Servants, and herself being a stronger master than Rin. Fate route spoiler |
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StrayBotato said: tsudecimo said: Actually she can't be sure that she has the advantage. Archer broke his NP, as if it were disposable. Doing something reckless like this means he has some dangerous tricks up his sleeve.Yeah, it shocked and she shifted her interest into Archer from Saber, but that shouldn't mean that she should just leave, if she has the advantage over them in terms of Servants, and herself being a stronger master than Rin. Didn't click the spoiler, but that didn't seem like her thought process though. In episode 4, the maid asked her why, and she didn't hint at that. Just her interest on Archer, and wanting to take her time making Shirou suffer. |
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tsudecimo said: pretty sure it's more so the fact that Archer pulled an A rank level attack when his stats as far as far as illiya is concerned were mediocre at best...could also just be anime original content creating holes were there werent any previously...in the source material archer's shot forced berserker to defend himself in a more "oh shit" moment.StrayBotato said: Actually she can't be sure that she has the advantage. Archer broke his NP, as if it were disposable. Doing something reckless like this means he has some dangerous tricks up his sleeve. Didn't click the spoiler, but that didn't seem like her thought process though. In episode 4, the maid asked her why, and she didn't hint at that. Just her interest on Archer, and wanting to take her time making Shirou suffer. |
| Yeah I don't know whose idea was to change the fight <.< Not even sure if it was just Saber pandering, trying to find an excuse to explain Zerker's NP, or trying to give Saber a moment to shine because she gets shit on the rest of the route. In either case it wasn't handled that well. |
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StrayBotato said: i think they still conveyed the oh shit part with illiya previously saying that archer aint shit, then he pulls a nuke out of his ass, then illiya goes oh? hello...it's just not nearly as good as the original scene.Yeah I don't know whose idea was to change the fight <.< Not even sure if it was just Saber pandering, trying to find an excuse to explain Zerker's NP, or trying to give Saber a moment to shine because she gets shit on the rest of the route. In either case it wasn't handled that well. |
RavenWish said: Shirou is such a freaking wuss mann, damn that slash at the back is so satisfying. Just stfu already y u so mean? |
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RavenWish said: Shirou is such a freaking wuss mann, damn that slash at the back is so satisfying. Just stfu already Inc shit storm. Not wanting to sacrifice a town really doesn't make you a wuss though. |
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| Hmm, normal people should see that Archer is a dick there... |
StrayBotato said: Yeah I don't know whose idea was to change the fight <.< Not even sure if it was just Saber pandering, trying to find an excuse to explain Zerker's NP, or trying to give Saber a moment to shine because she gets shit on the rest of the route. In either case it wasn't handled that well. Pretty sure they said that Nasu wrote the changes for them. |
RavenWish said: what exactly makes shirou a wuss here? at that point you can arguable say caster is a wuss too.Shirou is such a freaking wuss mann, damn that slash at the back is so satisfying. Just stfu already |
Maloghurst said: RavenWish said: what exactly makes shirou a wuss here? at that point you can arguable say caster is a wuss too.Shirou is such a freaking wuss mann, damn that slash at the back is so satisfying. Just stfu already Shirou's a wuss cause he doesn't want to let a town die. Logic FTW |
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Mickdrew said: Maloghurst said: what exactly makes shirou a wuss here? at that point you can arguable say caster is a wuss too. Shirou's a wuss cause he doesn't want to let a town die. Logic FTW Obv cuz he ain't dark and mature. |
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ZeroDragon said: Mickdrew said: Shirou's a wuss cause he doesn't want to let a town die. Logic FTW Obv cuz he ain't dark and mature. i no rite? real dark and mature mc would help kill da people |
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chickenonthepan said: Hmm, normal people should see that Archer is a dick there... Archer just told the whole town to go die and that Rin should become an unfeeling monster instead of caring. Obviously he is too Mature(tm) to be in the wrong 8) |
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WrongPriest said: It's funny how we always pick Shirou's side, yet literally everyone in-universe bags him out for his irrational decisions. Although I think most people who aren't horible agree on this particular one. I see nothing wrong with trying to help people as much as you can. It's just Shirou doesn't care about his own life when he helps people. That's the problem. Also, Rin doesn't go against his ideal. She just want him to care about himself. |
Just_ChickenJan 15, 2015 6:23 AM
chickenonthepan said: This.WrongPriest said: It's funny how we always pick Shirou's side, yet literally everyone in-universe bags him out for his irrational decisions. Although I think most people who aren't horible agree on this particular one. I see nothing wrong with trying to help people as much as you can. It's just Shirou doesn't care about his own life when he helps people. That's the problem. Also, Rin doesn't go against his ideal. She just want him to care about himself. The problem is that in this ep the one that is clearly wrong is Archer. "Caster is a wuss for not killing everyone".What person with common sense can seriously agree with Archer here? |
| Okay episode, but I still wonder one single thing about this whole franchise: How can they keep recreating such a slow pacing? |
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RafaelDeJongh said: Okay episode, but I still wonder one single thing about this whole franchise: How can they keep recreating such a slow pacing? Because, you know... content 'n' stuff? If you want faster pacing, I recommend UBW movie by studio DEEN. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
RafaelDeJongh said: Okay episode, but I still wonder one single thing about this whole franchise: How can they keep recreating such a slow pacing? Okay, I'm starting to think this is some kind of joke. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| “I am the bone of my sword." ... is it just me or was that line complete gibberish. Archer is very badass in this adaptation though. he almost finished Caster in her own area. And it appears the Assassin isn't a slouch either, as he's able to keep up with Saber(the ones in Zero were laaaaaaame). a question. Archer's identity isn't revealed in the first anime, right? all that came to an end when I read my first FSN doujin though... |
R2Jan 31, 2015 5:30 AM
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| It makes sense in context. Archer being badass and Assassin were (kind of) in the old anime too, though. As for Archer's identity |
| they do? must have gone over my childhood brain. I used to think myself mighty clever for deducing his (wrong)identity. |
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R2 said: they do? must have gone over my childhood brain. I used to think myself mighty clever for deducing his (wrong)identity. It's good that you didn't figure it out. The first anime wasn't supposed to reveal it but there is one scene that makes it really obvious. and yeah "I am the bone of my sword" is pretty gibberish until you hear the whole thing. The literal English version k ind of tells a story |
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nocorras said: R2 said: they do? must have gone over my childhood brain. I used to think myself mighty clever for deducing his (wrong)identity. It's good that you didn't figure it out. The first anime wasn't supposed to reveal it but there is one scene that makes it really obvious. and yeah "I am the bone of my sword" is pretty gibberish until you hear the whole thing. The literal English version k ind of tells a story He said he's already been spoiled by doujin's lol. |
| Perhaps i just misunderstood it, but didn't Shirou say like, episode 1/2 that as a child he never understood what his father meant about being a hero of justice, but now he understands? Yet this episode he's back to the "can't understand that saving one person means sacrificing another" thing...I don't get it. I don't think i misheard that. Though i do understand why being pissed with Archer, i just found that to be a little weird. |
Venom900Feb 1, 2015 11:53 PM
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Venom900 said: Perhaps i just misunderstood it, but didn't Shirou say like, episode 1/2 that as a child he never understood what his father meant about being a hero of justice, but now he understands? Yet this episode he's back to the "can't understand that saving one person means sacrificing another" thing...I don't get it. I don't think i misheard that. Though i do understand why being pissed with Archer, i just found that to be a little weird. He probably means that he can't accept that and sacrifice the town without trying, I'd have to watch the scene to see exactly what you're talking about, do you have a time in the video when it appears? Edit: I didn't see anywhere where he said he doesn't understand in episode 7 during the talk with Archer. |
nocorrasFeb 1, 2015 11:43 PM
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nocorras said: He probably means that he can't accept that and sacrifice the town without trying, I'd have to watch the scene to see exactly what you're talking about, do you have a time in the video when it appears? Edit: I didn't see anywhere where he said he doesn't understand in episode 7 during the talk with Archer. I didn't say that he didn't understand in episode 7, what i meant was that the way he acted in the first two episodes it seems like he had come to terms with what his father was talking about in regards to being a true hero of justice it means sacrificing someone to save another Yet he seems to have a big problem with it in episode 7, even though it's the same principle...Perhaps as you said, sacrificing the town without trying is somewhat unreasonable.. Perhaps yet i still misunderstood what he was talking about in the first episode, who knows i suppose. |
| "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
Venom900 said: nocorras said: He probably means that he can't accept that and sacrifice the town without trying, I'd have to watch the scene to see exactly what you're talking about, do you have a time in the video when it appears? Edit: I didn't see anywhere where he said he doesn't understand in episode 7 during the talk with Archer. I didn't say that he didn't understand in episode 7, what i meant was that the way he acted in the first two episodes it seems like he had come to terms with what his father was talking about in regards to being a true hero of justice it means sacrificing someone to save another Yet he seems to have a big problem with it in episode 7, even though it's the same principle...Perhaps as you said, sacrificing the town without trying is somewhat unreasonable.. Perhaps yet i still misunderstood what he was talking about in the first episode, who knows i suppose. Coming to terms with sacrificing the few for the many would be betraying Emiya Shirou's ideal. That's why he told Archer he would never sacrifice people like that. The show is about his ideals you'll see how it develops. |
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| There's no "true hero of justice" crap. Sacrificing people to save people is not something Shirou would ever allow himself to do. He knows full well that saving everyone is impossible(that's what he says in the first episode), but that does not mean he will just start juggling lives and judging who is worthy of being saved more than others. If you save some by damning the others, then the saving itself is pointless. |
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Venom900 said: nocorras said: He probably means that he can't accept that and sacrifice the town without trying, I'd have to watch the scene to see exactly what you're talking about, do you have a time in the video when it appears? Edit: I didn't see anywhere where he said he doesn't understand in episode 7 during the talk with Archer. I didn't say that he didn't understand in episode 7, what i meant was that the way he acted in the first two episodes it seems like he had come to terms with what his father was talking about in regards to being a true hero of justice it means sacrificing someone to save another Yet he seems to have a big problem with it in episode 7, even though it's the same principle...Perhaps as you said, sacrificing the town without trying is somewhat unreasonable.. Perhaps yet i still misunderstood what he was talking about in the first episode, who knows i suppose. In episode 1, he said that "I understand that now (He can't save everyone). But I don't believe in salvation that apply to a limited number of people. I can't bear the thought of more people dying around me like they did that day." It's like a personal conflict between ideal and reality. He is finding his own definition of "Hero of Justice". Continue and you will see. |
Just_ChickenFeb 2, 2015 7:46 AM
nocorras said: Venom900 said: I didn't say that he didn't understand in episode 7, what i meant was that the way he acted in the first two episodes it seems like he had come to terms with what his father was talking about in regards to being a true hero of justice it means sacrificing someone to save another Yet he seems to have a big problem with it in episode 7, even though it's the same principle...Perhaps as you said, sacrificing the town without trying is somewhat unreasonable.. Perhaps yet i still misunderstood what he was talking about in the first episode, who knows i suppose. Coming to terms with sacrificing the few for the many would be betraying Emiya Shirou's ideal. That's why he told Archer he would never sacrifice people like that. The show is about his ideals you'll see how it develops. Upon watching a couple more episodes it's more apparent now than when I watched last night. I have a better understanding of his perspective as well. |
| "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
| Shirou and Archer are such tsunderes lmao |
| Shirou's idiocy was kind of dragging this episode down but Archer being a badass made up for that. "Fighting for others but not yourself is nothing but hypocrisy." |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: Yeah wanting to kill the entire town is so badass and Shirou was stupid for not agreeing...Shirou's idiocy was kind of dragging this episode down but Archer being a badass made up for that. "Fighting for others but not yourself is nothing but hypocrisy." That Fai is being obnoxious as hell for people like you..... |
| Poor Shirou :( doesn't wanna kill off a town, if only he were really edgelord Jr. |
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Othi-tan said: to be fair enigma might just be going off that line and not his suggestion itself, so many people have all but completely ignored what archer suggested to the point they overlooked the bit about caster going out of her way not killing people.Prodigal_Enigma said: Yeah wanting to kill the entire town is so badass and Shirou was stupid for not agreeing...Shirou's idiocy was kind of dragging this episode down but Archer being a badass made up for that. "Fighting for others but not yourself is nothing but hypocrisy." That Fai is being obnoxious as hell for people like you..... |
| Altough Archer was an Ass, i gotta agree that Shirou was a little idiotic in this ep. I can't really blame Enigma. We all agreed on that in the gen. discussion.... |
Prodigal_Enigma said: Shirou's idiocy was kind of dragging this episode down but Archer being a badass made up for that. "Fighting for others but not yourself is nothing but hypocrisy." Yes, how dare Shirou be angry at archer saying that whole town should drop dead and rin should turn into an unfeeling monster. Shrimperor said: Altough Archer was an Ass, i gotta agree that Shirou was a little idiotic in this ep. I can't really blame Enigma. We all agreed on that in the gen. discussion.... Just which part of this was Shirou being idiotic? |
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Othi-tan said: Prodigal_Enigma said: Yeah wanting to kill the entire town is so badass and Shirou was stupid for not agreeing...Shirou's idiocy was kind of dragging this episode down but Archer being a badass made up for that. "Fighting for others but not yourself is nothing but hypocrisy." Yup, you got it. I want Shirou to murder a whole town, cause reasons. I'm such a misanthrope. |
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