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| I hope Kiroumaru won't betray them. He strikes me more like the type of character that will die while saving them. I wonder if indeed this 'Psychobuster' weapon will save them. |
katsucats said: Actually I would at least agree with you that the weapon is a desperate measure and so you can argue it is an implicit acknowledgement of defeat (of a sort). But then back to my example, I do not see much difference between finding the weapon in Tokyo or finding it in some hidden vault within the village. It is still something that is beyond the current technology and ability of the villagers but yet we know existed from history. The details may have been previously unmentioned but not the existence of the kind of weapon itself. I just disagree. Obviously the weapon exists in Shinsekai Yori universe, but the proper, ideal, solution should come from within the village, with proper strategy out of the abilities of the villagers themselves that the series tried so hard to build up. A previously unmentioned weapon of mass destruction is an implicit acknowledgement of defeat. katsucats said: Indeed, and this is how desperate those people have become. I think the story has successfully conveyed the sense of desperation when they face a fiend.]No, what I mean is this weapon is an all-or-nothing, it's not sound strategy. It's not foolproof. Our protagonists have one opportunity to get this right, otherwise we are to believe it would spell doom for mankind. You might as well bet your future throwing a dice. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
sptor said: Nukes are not precise because it just create a huge area of destruction. In terms of pinpointing small area of attack, biological weapon would be easier than nukes. We have seen anthrax delivered to targeted individuals as a terrorist attack, I doubt you can target individuals (instead of groups of individuals not all of them you want to kill) with a nuke, no matter how small it is. Besides you need technology like planes or missiles to deliver nukes if you don't want to be killed as well (there is a threshold of cantus range after all so you cannot deliver it from many kilometers away). Biological weapon is simpler.ESPs not gods and they have their threshold of cantus usage, that was shown numerous times (in fact one of the strategies of winning against fiend is to exhaust him), I don't believe really, that anybody in the world (even strongest cantus users) can withstand thermonuclear/nuclear explosion in vicinity. So in such case nukes are more precise weapon with less consequences than some kind of biological weapon. Anyway even if this weapon is the last resort, it is not correct to call it "specific weapon against cantus users" |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| They should really show the world more, and show us where the other human settled after the war! Like should of told us more stories on how the first human with cantus get its powers! |
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| Question: how are they capable of erasing specific memories of other humans? (kids) |
| This one was more of a build up episode for an epic finale. Not seeing Kiomaru is gonna betray them like some guys since I think he really despises Yakomaru and would never want to be in the same ranks as him. But who knows? Also hoping they can explain the whole "how a child becomes a fiend" thing, and the whole transition into a fiend in general better. I wish I had a pet false minoshiro. |
| A match made in heaven set the fires in hell |
| Amazing episode again, although it had to be cut off at the end of the episode, I really wanted it to never end. Looks like the tunnels may be where things are settled. 5/5. |
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| If it turns out the fiend has death feedback just for queerats I'm going to call BS. The fiend wiped out lots of other queerats (e.g. Kiroumaru's batallion). |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Am I the only one with the bad feeling that wasn't Mamoru's child? What if it was the child of Maria and a bakenezumi, even if it does make me feel sick to even mention that, this anime DOES seem to like toying with me. Also, am I the only one that doesn't like Shun? He just got everything in life without doing anything. He wasn't even good at the end, saving Saki's life was no big deal because he knew he was going to die a more painful way anyway. Also, I'd like you all to realise that using this biological weapon didn't work 1000 years ago, so with the help of their false minoshiro, Yakomaru probably has a way to counteract it. |
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| Since different groups of queerats are very physically dissimilar, it would also make sense for the child to only have death feedback for Yakomaru's tribe. |
XartaX said: If it turns out the fiend has death feedback just for queerats I'm going to call BS. The fiend wiped out lots of other queerats (e.g. Kiroumaru's batallion). No, not exactly. Kiroumaru explained to them what happened. The "fiend" disarmed them and repelled their arrows, nothing else. Then the other armed queerrats had a walk-over and only Kiroumaru could get away, because his soldiers loyally threw themselves into close combat so he could flee. |
feretto said: XartaX said: If it turns out the fiend has death feedback just for queerats I'm going to call BS. The fiend wiped out lots of other queerats (e.g. Kiroumaru's batallion). No, not exactly. Kiroumaru explained to them what happened. The "fiend" disarmed them and repelled their arrows, nothing else. Then the other armed queerrats had a walk-over and only Kiroumaru could get away, because his soldiers loyally threw themselves into close combat so he could flee. He literally says "A single child caused the destruction of most of my elite troops". He would definitely not phrase it like this if he was backed up by rats to do the actual killing. And Saki later responds that they will "avenge his soldiers" as if the fiend did the killing. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Another interesting episode. Kiroumaru has always been suspicious ever since they kept zooming in on his smirk during the meeting. I will be surprised if Kiroumaru is loyal to the humans because there really isn't any reason for Kiroumaru to be on the human's side aside from the fact that his troops were slaughtered by their 'opponents'. Kiroumaru's army provided a false sense of security and allowed the queerats to take the humans by surprise. It is too convenient that Kiroumaru happens to be in the same time and place where the humans will be able to get the weapon to defeat the fiend. Apologies if this post was too obvious or if someone already posted this. |
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XartaX said: feretto said: XartaX said: If it turns out the fiend has death feedback just for queerats I'm going to call BS. The fiend wiped out lots of other queerats (e.g. Kiroumaru's batallion). No, not exactly. Kiroumaru explained to them what happened. The "fiend" disarmed them and repelled their arrows, nothing else. Then the other armed queerrats had a walk-over and only Kiroumaru could get away, because his soldiers loyally threw themselves into close combat so he could flee. He literally says "A single child caused the destruction of most of my elite troops". He would definitely not phrase it like this if he was backed up by rats to do the actual killing. And Saki later responds that they will "avenge his soldiers" as if the fiend did the killing. Let me make another suggestion. The genetic component of death feedback seems a little fishy to me. I can accept that you could genetically create the mechanism by which such a self-destruct could occur, but I suspect that the trigger is psychological--perception that you have directly killed a being defined as "human"/people. Note that ordering a cat or a queerat to kill a human doesn't trigger this, however accidentally killing a human does. All this leads me to believe that a great deal of the conditioning of the children is to reinforce this psychological trigger and also to ensure that the child's definition of people includes all human beings (but not queerats). The rats on the other hand are primarily focused on the hive and have no inhibitions about killing the members and queen of other hives (in fact since they are competitors there is probably some pressure to do so). In the same way that some (if not most) pre-literate human societies have one word ("people") to refer to members of the tribe, and another word ("stranger"/"other") to refer to non-members, Ria (for lack of a better name) has imprinted on the Robber Fly hive as being the one group he belongs to. That's why he can kill humans and other queerats--he doesn't see them as "human" in his particular definition. As a side note this is why propaganda during a war always dehumanizes the opposition--always easier to firebomb their cities and kill their women and children if you consider them to be a (insert derogatory racial or religious epithet here) and not a good upstanding human like you, your family, and neighbours. And as to what happened to the normal humans? Remember that it was the fourth group, the scientific observers, who stepped in to end the conflicts of the slave empire revolt. I think the Education Committee and the Reapers reflect that kind of "objective" attitude on how to solve such a problem. Note that I'm typing with a broken wrist in a cast so there may be some typos here, please disregard them. |
rodacMar 3, 2013 7:28 PM
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Note that I'm typing with a broken wrist in a cast so there may be some typos here, please disregard them. rodac said: XartaX said: feretto said: XartaX said: If it turns out the fiend has death feedback just for queerats I'm going to call BS. The fiend wiped out lots of other queerats (e.g. Kiroumaru's batallion). No, not exactly. Kiroumaru explained to them what happened. The "fiend" disarmed them and repelled their arrows, nothing else. Then the other armed queerrats had a walk-over and only Kiroumaru could get away, because his soldiers loyally threw themselves into close combat so he could flee. He literally says "A single child caused the destruction of most of my elite troops". He would definitely not phrase it like this if he was backed up by rats to do the actual killing. And Saki later responds that they will "avenge his soldiers" as if the fiend did the killing. Let me make another suggestion. The genetic component of death feedback seems a little fishy to me. I can accept that you could genetically create the mechanism by which such a self-destruct could occur, but I suspect that the trigger is psychological--perception that you have directly killed a being defined as "human"/people. Note that ordering a cat or a queerat to kill a human doesn't trigger this, however accidentally killing a human does. All this leads me to believe that a great deal of the conditioning of the children is to reinforce this psychological trigger and also to ensure that the child's definition of people includes all human beings (but not queerats). The rats on the other hand are primarily focused on the hive and have no inhibitions about killing the members and queen of other hives (in fact since they are competitors there is probably some pressure to do so). In the same way that some (if not most) pre-literate human societies have one word ("people") to refer to members of the tribe, and another word ("stranger"/"other") to refer to non-members, Ria (for lack of a better name) has imprinted on the Robber Fly hive as being the one group he belongs to. That's why he can kill humans and other queerats--he doesn't see them as "human" in his particular definition. As a side note this is why propaganda during a war always dehumanizes the opposition--always easier to firebomb their cities and kill their women and children if you consider them to be a (insert derogatory racial or religious epithet here) and not a good upstanding human like you, your family, and neighbours. And as to what happened to the normal humans? Remember that it was the fourth group, the scientific observers, who stepped in to end the conflicts of the slave empire revolt. I think the Education Committee and the Reapers reflect that kind of "objective" attitude on how to solve such a problem. Welp, that's the best explanation I've heard so far. If it's adequately explained in the anime itself, then a'ight. But if they just leave it up to us to explain it for them, I'll still call bs (this is all assuming death feedback will take out the fiend when he kills a rat). Also, yay pyramids! |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| So cantus user can't use cantus if they on painkiller. I wonder why @.@ |
| Great episode, the level of suspense just went up from the previous episode, I can't wait to watch the next episode. I expected Tokyo to be a multitude of collapsed buildings, but it's a desert? And I expected Psychobuster to be a nuclear weapon or some other powerful explosive, but it an anthrax biological weapon? |
tripmodeMar 4, 2013 3:16 AM
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| Someone didn't actually listen to the dialogue, I see. What part about words and their meaning is hard to get, I wonder sometimes. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I'm under the impression Kiromaru is hiding something big. He's likely collaborating with Yakomaru and misleading the humans into trusting him. My basis for this theory is his uncanny smirk, and that he miraculously survived that battle [I highly doubt that was luck, it's more reasonable to assume that entire battle was a set-up to trick the humans]. |
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Chibiyori said: tripmode1992 said: I expected Tokyo to be a multitude of collapsed buildings, but it's a desert? And I expected Psychobuster to be a nuclear weapon or some other powerful explosive, but it an anthrax biological weapon? I imagined Tokyo as it is in a world Syaoran's group goes to in Tsubasa Chronicles, which was yeah, pretty much collapsed buildings and stuff because of acid rain....I wonder what happened to this Tokyo? (so many unanswered questions in everything >.<) I expected the Psychobuster to be something mind-related. Which, it sorta...is? I barely remember what it does now. D: A thousand years has passed. I'm not very surprised. |
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PhoenixIce said: Am I the only one who thinks kiomaru is going to betray them based on this episode? Yes, I also got that impression. Kiroumaru is definitely plotting something. Shame cause he's pretty much the only bakenezumi I liked u.u It was interesting when Saki suggested if the kid was a fiend. Is he really a fiend, or is he just doing what he was taught to do? As far as he knows, he's a bakenezumi. How will they deal with him.... It's a shame about Saki's parents too u.u Overall great episode!!! |
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| I don't really think Shun is going to actually be "back". He'll probably be remembered by Saki and Satoru. After all, I'm pretty sure he died back in like ep --teen something. |
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Takei_Hisa said: I don't really think Shun is going to actually be "back". He'll probably be remembered by Saki and Satoru. After all, I'm pretty sure he died back in like ep --teen something. ten |
| ....What? That was 20 minutes?! It literally felt like 5 minutes... wow. Great episode... such anticipation and amazing pacing. Whenever I saw the boat, I was filled with fear... but I feel so bad that Saki can't even accept that her friends' child became an ogre :( Oh, and I see that everyone things Kiroumaru is plotting something... But I honestly don't know. I feel like there have been so many betrayals in this hopeless situation that it couldn't possibly be made worse. I really hope not though...I like Kiroumaru. For now, he has my trust. ^_^ I need the next episode! Nao!! And what was that about Shun in the preview..? o_O Haha xD But it is hell!! It made me giggle a little whenever Saki found something horrific, Kiroumaru would just be like "This is just the beginning." or "This is heaven compared to what's ahead." XD lolz 5/5 - Episodes like these really make my day. They fly by in minutes and every second is filled with suspense. :) Dashiawia said: I'm under the impression Kiromaru is hiding something big. He's likely collaborating with Yakomaru and misleading the humans into trusting him. My basis for this theory is his uncanny smirk, and that he miraculously survived that battle [I highly doubt that was luck, it's more reasonable to assume that entire battle was a set-up to trick the humans]. Nice theory... I could really see this happening. But everything is just so sad and hopeless, I can't take anymore letdowns and betrayals... xD So for now, I am trusting Kiroumaru. |
fishergirl16Mar 6, 2013 1:48 PM
| Ooh. The future relying on the past technology??? It sure reflects the real world. |
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| Good ep. But that anthrax/psychobuster seems like final way for queerats to destroy cantus users. They are walking with devil when they want to use it to destroy fiend. Betrayal of Kiroumarou is possible but it would mean they (queerats and Yakomaru) had the knowledge of Psychobuster and that they needed cantus user to somehow activate it (last Kiroumarou visit to Tokyo could be pretty to discover this knowledge). Well, let's see. |
| This series-- holy crap. I'm pumped for the next episode now. |
| I've got nothing to say really, it was a great episode like the rest^^ Preview seems like the next episode will be interesting, Shun will be mentioned is what I'm assuming. Though I'm not all trusting Kiroumaro no matter how helpful and cool he is.. |
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| Shit just got real |
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| Damn that ending... quite nice story development I like where this is going! Nice buildup so far lets hope it doesn't get fucked up now! |
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| "Now I know why this was called hell." "No, we are still in heaven." LOOOL |
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PhoenixIce said: Am I the only one who thinks kiomaru is going to betray them based on this episode? Yeah he also has been suspicious since some time now. I remember that sneaky laugh after that battle. His definitely not with Yakomaru though. What i think he wants to achieve is use that old biological weapon to make all human normal. Don't forget that his quality is power. He lost his army because of cantus. He will be happy in world without it and he will have the upper hand. In a world with no Cantus he has a very good chance of rebuilding an army and win battle after battle conquering lands etc. Humans would be too weak to stop him since they have lived all this years relying too much on their cantus power and Yakomaru can't beat him in a straight battle. Posse said: maulcux said: even saki and satoru dont know how the child becomes a fiend, it's actually not a plot hole. i hope there will be an explanation for that later. In fact they gave a hint that the child isn't really a fiend when Saki asks Satoru about that, it's quite likely that he/she just doesn't recognize them as humans so death feedback doesnt work just because of that reason In the end this seems to be the reason. The kid just thinks it's a different species than them. It does recognize them as humans, it's just that it doesn't think itself as a human. The DNA death feedback seems to be a mechanism that makes you suffer when you subconsciously realize you killed one of your own kind and not simply killed a human. |
MonadApr 29, 2013 5:03 AM
| I'm still a bit sceptical about Kiroumaru. I can't fully trust him that he won't turn around the tide when they get to the weapon so he could be the leader of the queerats. Saki's mother having the means to destroy the fiend seemed like a bit too convenient. I like the idea of that weapon, though I thought they were gonna use their Cantus in some way to destroy the fiend. I liked the design of that submarine thing. And I also liked the post-apocalyptic Tokyo. |
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| Another nice episode, damn this series is actually good. And one of my favorite line/lines, "Now I know what hell is." "No. This is still Heaven." |
CabronMay 17, 2013 3:25 AM
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| The Rats and the Fiend are very persistent. |
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| oh we are in "new" tokyo now :3 |
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