mayukachan said: Shiratori99 said: I think this is exactly the problem here. Women getting raped = ewwwwwww. Men getting raped = kyaaaaaaaa Fujoshis in a nutshell. Goes both ways. Stop making girls sound like they're the only ones that are perverted. You guys and your crazy ass hentai. Difference is we guys like it when both genders get raped. We are true supporters of equality! All rape is hot in Hentai! |
mayukachan said: YandereTheEmo said: Especially since popular fujoshi/feminist bloggers seem to think that if men get raped (which is apparently non-existent) it doesn't matter. T-They do?! I thought Yaoi was just a guilty pleasure for girls, not some kind of new movement. lmao Who knows? I'm a PETA-oriented, merman advocate against the unjust treatment of mermen, but all I get is flame for that. Anything can become a movement if people want it to. Also--not going to try and guess the intent his comment, but I interpreted it as him referring to not just yaoi, but the concept of double-standards based on sexuality. |
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mayukachan said: Shiratori99 said: I think this is exactly the problem here. Women getting raped = ewwwwwww. Men getting raped = kyaaaaaaaa Fujoshis in a nutshell. Goes both ways. Stop making girls sound like they're the only ones that are perverted. You guys and your crazy ass hentai. Except that guys don't make a fandom out of their sexual preferences. How many hentai series do you see getting hyped and praised by them here? Literally none, because it's just fap material to them. Compare that with the zealous obsession fujoshis have for yaoi. Also hentai generally doesn't try to pass for anything else than it is, porn. Many yaoi on the other hand at least claims to portray a romantic relationship and then often pairs it up with rape and abuse. That's what makes it disturbing, not the rape itself. |
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Shiratori99 said: mayukachan said: Goes both ways. Stop making girls sound like they're the only ones that are perverted. You guys and your crazy ass hentai. Except that guys don't make a fandom out of their sexual preferences. How many hentai series do you see getting hyped and praised by them here? Literally none, because it's just fap material to them. Compare that with the zealous obsession fujoshis have for yaoi. Also hentai generally doesn't try to pass for anything else than it is, porn. Many yaoi on the other hand at least claims to portray a romantic relationship and then often pairs it up with rape and abuse. That's what makes it disturbing, not the rape itself. No, I'm pretty sure rape itself is also disturbing. |
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opondica said: No, I'm pretty sure rape itself is also disturbing. If it's detached from common sense and morality like most porn, no. But if it tries to portay rape as something good, then yes. |
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| Yaio as a hentai is impossible to be enjoyable as a straight guy But there is animes and mangas about homossexual relationship between guys that can be watchedl depending of story and characters I dont know any of this |
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Shiratori99 said: opondica said: No, I'm pretty sure rape itself is also disturbing. If it's detached from common sense and morality like most porn, no. But if it tries to portay rape as something good, then yes. I was going to argue with you, then I remembered some image I've seen of the horribly idiotic dialogue that apparently occurs in hentai manga. Truly, some things are simply too stupid to be scary. |
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opondica said: Shiratori99 said: If it's detached from common sense and morality like most porn, no. But if it tries to portay rape as something good, then yes. I was going to argue with you, then I remembered some image I've seen of the horribly idiotic dialogue that apparently occurs in hentai manga. Truly, some things are simply too stupid to be scary. There's 2 types of rape hentai: The first one where everyone (especially the girls) got no common sense, people fuck on first sight and rape got no kind of negative consequences whatsoever. And the second, more appealing to rape fetishists, where rape is portrayed in a dark and semi-realistic manner and typically ends with a BAD END. Something like rape -> fall in love -> live happily ever after like in yaoi doesn't exist in hentai. |
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| what Im seeing nowadays is American and Western are more welcome and love to talk about yaoi and gay stuffs much more than Asian, with things like Boku no Pico as prove. In Eastern, u will be chased to death by your own parents if they know ur gay |
| I don't typically like yaoi... But I can deal with some Shounen Ai, some are actually pretty good, and if there's a trap involved, it makes it even better. At least in my opinion it does. =^-^= Not a yaoi fan, but some Shounen Ai is okay. |
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Shiratori99 said: Something like rape -> fall in love -> live happily ever after like in yaoi doesn't exist in hentai. Honestly, I think there needs to be more of this. One of the most appealing aspects of BL is the fact that it's pretty rapey but it doesn't have to be 100% porn. You can never find that in heterosexual media. I have a rape fetish but the same ahegao mindbreak bullshit gets really tedious. |
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Plate said: Shiratori99 said: Something like rape -> fall in love -> live happily ever after like in yaoi doesn't exist in hentai. Honestly, I think there needs to be more of this. One of the most appealing aspects of BL is the fact that it's pretty rapey but it doesn't have to be 100% porn. You can never find that in heterosexual media. I have a rape fetish but the same ahegao mindbreak bullshit gets really tedious. Shoujo smut is essentially the same as yaoi, just with a girl instead of the uke. So if that's up your alley, you should try reading that. |
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Shiratori99 said: Shoujo smut is essentially the same as yaoi, just with a girl instead of the uke. So if that's up your alley, you should try reading that. My girlfriend watches/reads lots of that kind of thing, there's just something about it that makes it hard to get into for me. I think I've tried a few but josei is nearly impossible for me to get into. But then it's not like I like all BL either, anyway. |
| Impossible I barely see anime shows with regular fan-service and you say Yaoi???? and how a man who watch Yoai could be a straight one ! Yaoi or any hints to it in any show is just disgusting for me. |
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MuhammadKanj said: Impossible I barely see anime shows with regular fan-service and you say Yaoi???? and how a man who watch Yoai could be a straight one ! Yaoi or any hints to it in any show is just disgusting for me. Yeah... Cause like, if a show even depicts a sexuality different than your own, it's inherently unwatchable and shit. Go read Red_Key's earlier comment. |
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| I just stay away from anything yaoi related, even if it was a good anime I doubt I could enjoy it very much. I don't particularly enjoy yuri either, but at least it's watchable. |
| It'd be awkward for sure, but shit? I bet you are the same guys who deep down hate Free for revolving around shirtless guys. |
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ReadAndBurn said: YandereTheEmo said: Yeah... Cause like, if a show even depicts a sexuality different than your own, it's inherently unwatchable and shit. Go read Red_Key's earlier comment. I was thinking that, but also the reverse: I'm a gay-leaning bisexual and I don't find yaoi very appealing at all, partly because it tends to be stereotyped to death and partly because the usual art style is kinda naff. But yeah, whee, homophobia. Also, that one guy who assumed gay peeps were all OK with shotacon. Brilliant. A+. Red_Keys went over it earlier... If you think Yaoi are typically cliché, so they're bad... Then you don't like poorly executed stories. But if you just don't like Yaoi because it "weirds you out" or "Irks you" or "Is gross, bleh" then you're not only idiotic, but homophobic. Yaoi = Gay relationships. "Ew, Yaoi is gross, bleh!" is essentially the same as saying, "Ew, being gay is gross and immoral, bleh." Homophobia is brilliant, isn't it? Hating things because they're different, but then shunning people for doing the same to other races/demographics in the past. "No, you can't be racist to blacks... But look at that faggot over there, he doesn't even deserve to exist... because my god said so, hur-dur." |
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skudoops said: [ This post made my mind melt and it's such a simplistic view of things. And here comes the ignorant backlash without reading the definition of "homophobia" 10/10 guessing it here. Firstly finding homosexual acts disgusting or weird does not make you homophobic. The term homophobic itself is stupid because a phobia is a fear or something, you can find something disgusting without being afraid of it. Wow, I guessed it? Check the definition for yourself--but in essence: disdain, antipathy, hatred, disgust, or even fear of/for homosexuals because of the fact that they are homosexual is homophobia. The problem with reading "phobia" and immediately assuming it's only fear of homosexuals is that you're not tackling the concept of intolerance reflected by the actual definition of the term "homophobia." Good try, though. Going back on topic, find those acts disgusting doesn't mean you hate the people or are prejudice against them either, I wish the liberals and homosexuals of the world understood that. Finding something disgusting means you hold prejudice against it. Once again, good try. Also, good job generalizing Liberals there--because in actuality, there's no way any conservatives would be right-minded enough to understand that you shouldn't discriminate against people/hold prejudices and biases against them because of innate qualities, right? You need to brush up on your definitions next time, okay? The idea of two men being in a relationship maybe off putting to many people, but at the same time that doesn't mean they are against it. Being off-put by it because it's different isn't a rectifiable action. What if homosexuals were the majority, and they held prejudices against Heterosexuals because it was "Against the will of C'thulu, in the _________ testament"? The problem with saying, "being off-put by an innate quality is fine, as long as you don't take action" is that it creates a societal barrier around innate qualities deviating from that of the pseudo-majority, making them feel empowered to embrace taboos against innocent people because they want everyone to share the same qualities. Not accepting someone's innate quality is the same thing as going against it in this case. One doesn't have to explicitly pronounce that they are against homosexuality to be homophobic/in the wrong. It's inherently wrong to discriminate because of innate qualities people cannot control. Thinking something is off-putting/wrong because of these innate qualities is also very sickening/wrong. |
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thepath said: hentai_eucli said: Just read some trap hentai. Its orgasmic. Literally. If you are fan of trap hentai, then I recommend that you watch this http://myanimelist.net/anime/17371/Natsuyasumi. This will help you to masturbate more than any of straight hentai animes. Seen it. But I'm more into hentai Manga. Unfortunately I've read most (translated) trap hentai. |
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hentai_eucli said: thepath said: If you are fan of trap hentai, then I recommend that you watch this http://myanimelist.net/anime/17371/Natsuyasumi. This will help you to masturbate more than any of straight hentai animes. Seen it. But I'm more into hentai Manga. Unfortunately I've read most (translated) trap hentai. Same here, Natsuyasumi is still pretty damn great tough. Butthe censorship is annoying, fuck japan and their stupid irrational laws. |
skudoops said: Firstly Phobia An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something - OXford Dictionary. ho·mo·pho·bi·a [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] noun unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality. Good try though. No it doesn't, if I found pizza disgusting that doesn't mean I want to ban everyone from pizza. Please dude. Finding an object disgusting is different than finding someone's innate qualities disgusting. Sure, you can think pizza is disgusting, but you're a racist if you think all blacks are disgusting because of their race. X ≠ Y in this case, like in many others. Good kettle arguments though, they're always fun. My generalization has a lot of truth to it though, so I don't think it really matters, I don't understand why you brought up conservatives either, if you think I'm one then you are sorely mistaken. The grand lot of them (liberals) cannot understand that someone can not like something but also not be against it. I brought up conservatives because you're generalizing liberals. I never even implied you were one, but sorry for "rustling your jimmies" so-to-speak. Not liking "something" is far too vague. Your problem is that you're associating everyday disdain for things like work, material objects, and specific people with disgust, disdain, and antipathy for an entire demographic--which is bigotry, while the former is just normal human nature. Why do you keep bringing up religion? Another assumption you've (and many liberals do this all the time) made here is that everyone who doesn't like homosexual acts is religious, that's completely incorrect. I'd just like to note, you called me out for making an assumption, and then said and many liberals do this all the time . I never even inferred all who share apathy, disdain, and hatred towards homosexuals were religious. However, those in authority have forgotten the separation between church and state--so many arguments, even in prominent court cases have involved relying on arguments such as, "God said being gay is a sin, so it is." as a counter to the rights of gay men and women. Look up the facts, once again. Good try, though. Are you serious right now? As long as a person treats other people properly it doesn't matter what he/she believes. Because bigotry, racism, homophobia, and such are horrific. Generalizing entire groups, demographics, and races because of their innate qualities only serves to set a divide between different groups of people--subconsciously disconnecting those who hold disdain for said demographics... from said demographics. I'd prefer a society where people weren't so simple minded that they could actually look at someone from a different demographic than them, without assuming said person was innately below them/disgusting. It is, but human nature always factors in to this, and your thinking isn't realistic. Ever pass on a girl because she's ugly? Or fat? Or too tall? Guess what? Guess what? Having preferences over a certain type of person is part of an individual's conscious decisions, which isn't wrong. Rejecting entire groups of people because of benign assumptions and prejudices is. Obstinacy plays a larger role than human nature, and the ability for adults to create images in the impressionable minds of their innocent posterity seems to act as a root for the current animosity circulating across demographics. Which is disgusting, to be frank. Lastly, let's not go down the this natural vs choice argument, you keep mention innate quality and trying to push that opinion on to people reading. It's not an argument. Saying that's an argument, is like saying Global Warming doesn't exist. When you have a large portion of the scientific community backing the claims with research and evidence (close to 90+ percent in the case of global warming) the only reason to quibble over the facts is that certain people don't like the answers. All in all: There's no point in discussing something like this when you're relating bigotry and discrimination to disliking pizza. It's just endless kettle arguments, attempted to be rectified by skewed logic. Nice try though, do better research. |
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Zergneedsfood said: "Ew, Yaoi is gross, bleh!" is essentially the same as saying, "Ew, being gay is gross and immoral, bleh." Not to butt into the conversation, but what the fuck? Those two statements are not remotely comparable. Also these semantics arguments are ridiculous and massively exaggerated. Saying a series is gross because of gay relationships-- is the same as saying gay relationships are gross. Pretty simple concept. |
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Zergneedsfood said: YandereTheEmo said: Please don't try to reword your previous statement.Saying a series is gross because of gay relationships-- is the same as saying gay relationships are gross. Pretty simple concept. You said saying "Yaoi is gross" is the same as saying "being gay is gross and immoral." That is not what you just tried to say above. In context, it was. Also, because there are more sticklers on MAL than rationalists, I gave you a little spoonful of obscurity in the form of the word "essentially." Also, Yaoi is indicative of the presence of homo-centric relationships--nothing else. Just claiming "yaoi is gross" is essentially the same thing, as based only on the knowledge that there will be gay couples present, one is shunning off the series as gross. Hence claiming gay couples--the only defining factor based on the tag in question--as gross. Now, if you really want to argue semantics, you could just fault out like every other person on here, and say, "Yaoi is gross because every yaoi story is cliché." |
YaN333Jul 31, 2014 6:18 AM
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
Zergneedsfood said: But... it's not essentially the same thing. And in context, no, they are still not the same. One is you don't want to watch two guys kissing each other because you find it "gross." The other is you find watching two guys kissing and their relationship to be against human morality. How are those essentially the same thing? Finding something gross is not "essentially" the same as immoral. I have no problem with watching/reading yaoi/shows with yaoi undertones (though like many things I don't actively seek it out) or reading about hot explicit gay sex, but this semantics argument I've been reading over the last few pages is really weird. T__T Motivation for distaste towards gay relationships spans between reality and the entertainment medium alike. Immorality may be a bit of an overstatement in the sentence in question--I do agree--but it also refers to lack of conformance to pre-set principles. If a person dislikes yaoi to such an extent that they deem it as gross, simply for being yaoi, hence simply because of the concept of gay couples' interactions in an entertainment medium, it means they find observing gay couples "gross." Meaning it's not a far stretch to assume they have some set principles guiding this continued disdain. |
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| Okay, fair enough. My main problem is that it seems until some form of action in real life is explicitly taken, the same ideologies as "God Hates Fags" people can be internalized--when in reality, such activities are quite culpable in my opinion. Sure, it's not directly affecting individual gays, but where does the taboo end, and the reality of acceptance begin? If everyone just decides to "tolerate" that which is different, and we accept that re-education is not in order, as long as nobody physical/emotionally abuses gays, are we really accepting them/allowing them to live? |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
| Since I'm too lazy to read those huge arguments. Reminder that trap hentai are awesome. |
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| Right, I'm inherently illogical for thinking that you disliking pizza isn't the same thing as people finding gays gross. There's no point in continue a conversation where your only merits are saying, "Dude, you're not even getting it." instead of laying any foundation for real rebuttal. I'll leave you with this: My main problem is that it seems until some form of action in real life is explicitly taken, the same ideologies as "God Hates Fags" people can be internalized--when in reality, such activities are quite culpable in my opinion. Sure, it's not directly affecting individual gays, but where does the taboo end, and the reality of acceptance begin? If everyone just decides to "tolerate" that which is different, and we accept that re-education is not in order, as long as nobody physical/emotionally abuses gays, are we really accepting them/allowing them to live? You seem to brush off any horrific, bigoted ideology until actual action is taken. That's the opposite of coexistence--the standards we've said for living as social beings. Instead of coexisting and thriving, your ideology states that we should brush off, deny, and refuse to understand anything different from our own standards, and just cope with a world of insecurity, animosity, and indefinite apathy. I'm sorry the concept of hating the actions of gays (even though their "actions" and heterosexual "actions" are the exact same, only with a different pool of genders) is cruel and undignified by the rational state of coexistence humans thrive for doesn't sit too well with you, as you'd rather deny them any reasonable level of understanding, and brush them off in turn. Continue on with your day, good sir. Edit: I'm not saying this to be a dick, but you seem very young dude. Note that fallacious, ad-hominem attacks to create some divide between your "grandiose stance against homo-hetero coexistence" and my "misinterpretations" (as you'd call them), doesn't really help to prove your point. Your last post was nitpicking at best, which is why it seems you've run dry of rebuttal--and hence, the argument has as well. |
YaN333Jul 31, 2014 6:54 AM
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
skudoops said: I'm not saying this to be a dick, but you seem very young dude. For someone afraid of gays your butt sure is sore. |
| Your heart is definitely in the right place, but I still find a number of issues with parts of your arguments. Oh well, hope there are more sensible people like Zergneedsfood with enough time on their hands to break down the fallacies in your posts! Guess I'll just grab the easiest flaw and work with that! YandereTheEmo said: Also, Yaoi is indicative of the presence of homo-centric relationships--nothing else. Just claiming "yaoi is gross" is essentially the same thing, as based only on the knowledge that there will be gay couples present, one is shunning off the series as gross. Hence claiming gay couples--the only defining factor based on the tag in question--as gross. Now, if you really want to argue semantics, you could just fault out like every other person on here, and say, "Yaoi is gross because every yaoi story is cliché." Arguing semantics it is! Yaoi/shounen ai is/are genre(s) within the anime and manga medium (Since I'm more well versed on the former, we'll stick to anime). Generally, most don't just go into a yaoi only knowing that it will feature gay romance. Its only natural to go into a genre piece with preconceptions based on genre tropes. Even if only homo-centric romance is guaranteed, you can reasonably assume it will have any of the following: -the overly assertive seme who borderline/actually rapes his love interest -the tsundere who denies his homosexual feelings -the lack of any females in the main cast -the inaccurate portrayal of homosexual romance to pander to a misinformed demographic despite love stage being my first of the genre, everyone and their mother has heard of these tropes. Your last 2 lines here mostly brush off everything i'm saying, but the rest of the post sounds incredibly poorly planned. Its perfectly acceptable to not want to delve into a genre based on popular conventions. I realize this isn't the meat of your argument, its just the easiest point to disagree with. As an aside, I find it funny how people in this thread often treat ones fictional preferences/aversions as if they always directly coincide with ones opinions/idealogies irl. They don't. Like, seriously guys. Someone could enjoy a rapey hentai and still know that rape is wrong. Someone can be into lolis and not be a pedophile. Someone can dislike homoerotic fiction and be a gay rights activist. Why is this so hard to grasp? I realize this isn't always the case, but your stance isn't ironclad either. |
YandereTheEmo said: But if you just don't like Yaoi because it "weirds you out" or "Irks you" or "Is gross, bleh" then you're not only idiotic, but homophobic. Yaoi = Gay relationships. As I mentioned before: If that's what homophobia is, then there's nothing wrong with it. I don't like watching gay sex, so what? I don't like watching unattractive people having sex either. Conclusion: people don't like watching what they're not attracted to. Can I get a nobel prize now? |
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| Shiratori99 wins this thread |
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Shiratori99 said: YandereTheEmo said: But if you just don't like Yaoi because it "weirds you out" or "Irks you" or "Is gross, bleh" then you're not only idiotic, but homophobic. Yaoi = Gay relationships. As I mentioned before: If that's what homophobia is, then there's nothing wrong with it. I don't like watching gay sex, so what? I don't like watching unattractive people having sex either. Conclusion: people don't like watching what they're not attracted to. Can I get a nobel prize now? We're not only talking about watching sex/porn, but about regular romance. I'm not attracted to ugly people as well, but I won't avoid a show just because it stars ugly people and there's a chance I'll see them have sex, that would be an irrational aversion. Avoiding non-porn (aka stuff that does not exclusively serve to arouse the viewer) just because of gay characters is homophopic. Not watching porn that doesn't cater to your taste is just common sense. How often do different people need to reply to you until you get the difference? Of course that's all assuming people have reasons beside fapping and getting boners to watch anime/entertainment, which might not be true for everyone... |
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SasaharaKumagawa said: Shiratori99 wins this thread I'd say you won the thread since you explained your point a lot clearer, but you're both making similar (if not the same) points, so it doesn't really matter :) |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Shiratori99 said: As I mentioned before: If that's what homophobia is, then there's nothing wrong with it. I don't like watching gay sex, so what? I don't like watching unattractive people having sex either. Conclusion: people don't like watching what they're not attracted to. Can I get a nobel prize now? We're not only talking about watching sex/porn, but about regular romance. I'm not attracted to ugly people as well, but I won't avoid a show just because it stars ugly people and there's a chance I'll see them have sex, that would be an irrational aversion. Avoiding non-porn (aka stuff that does not exclusively serve to arouse the viewer) just because of gay characters is homophopic. Not watching porn that doesn't cater to your taste is just common sense. How often do different people need to reply to you until you get the difference? Of course that's all assuming people have reasons beside fapping and getting boners to watch anime/entertainment, which might not be true for everyone... 1. Yaoi is pornographic (even if it's not explicit in the anime versions) 2. Even if it were not, I'd still avoid it simply because gay relationships don't interest me. People watch watch they're interested in. Can I get another nobel prize for this brilliant conclusion? |
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Shiratori99 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: We're not only talking about watching sex/porn, but about regular romance. I'm not attracted to ugly people as well, but I won't avoid a show just because it stars ugly people and there's a chance I'll see them have sex, that would be an irrational aversion. Avoiding non-porn (aka stuff that does not exclusively serve to arouse the viewer) just because of gay characters is homophopic. Not watching porn that doesn't cater to your taste is just common sense. How often do different people need to reply to you until you get the difference? Of course that's all assuming people have reasons beside fapping and getting boners to watch anime/entertainment, which might not be true for everyone... 1. Yaoi is pornographic (even if it's not explicit in the anime versions) 2. Even if it were not, I'd still avoid it simply because gay relationships don't interest me. People watch watch they're interested in. Can I get another nobel prize for this brilliant conclusion? I'm fairly sure that theres a difference between romance yaoi and hentai yaoi. And not everything that touches the subject of sex is pornographic, otherwise we would have to watch Game of Thrones on youporn. Discarding 90% of a show no matter how good/enjoyable they are just because it has gay characters/relationships in it, it not just 'not watching what you're not interested in', it's homophobia. Now of course in many (not all I'm sure) cases Yaoi is mainly smut and strongly defined by it's genre so the other aspects make up a lot less than 90%, but that's beside the point when we're talking about principles. I know you said you don't care much for romance in general, but you wouldn't actively avoid any show that has even hints of romance just because it isn't one of your interests, because that would be irrational, wouldn't it? It's the same if someone who enjoys the romance genre a lot (not you apparently) suddenly has a completely different opinion of romance when gay characters are involved. Irrational aversion. Now you mentioned that it doesn't hurt anybody if people make decisions like that, and I can partly agree to that. The action doesn't hurt anybody. Why bother arguing then? Well, firstly a lot of people don't just stick with the decision, they have to talk about it to reassure their manliness and it'll often result in derogatory ("I don't have anything against homos as long as they stay away because I find it disgusting to think about." or "As soon as I saw the kiss scene I dropped it. That's disgusting and I don't want to see it") postings that basically tell any gay person who might read it that that's how (a lot of) people still think about them, which can be hurtful, I imagine. Secondly, and already shown by the first point, it's the homophobic mindset that's dangerous, not that one specific symptom of for example dropping a random show because of 1 short gay scene or avoiding a possibly good romance because it has a gay relationship. So you 'treat' (or in this case point out) the condition, but are able to 'diagnose' it because of symptoms that might not even be harmful themselves, to draw a parallel to medicine. Doesn't mean the condition should be ignored though. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm fairly sure that theres a difference between romance yaoi and hentai yaoi. And not everything that touches the subject of sex is pornographic, otherwise we would have to watch Game of Thrones on youporn. Discarding 90% of a show no matter how good/enjoyable they are just because it has gay characters/relationships in it, it not just 'not watching what you're not interested in', it's homophobia. Now of course in many (not all I'm sure) cases Yaoi is mainly smut and strongly defined by it's genre so the other aspects make up a lot less than 90%, but that's beside the point when we're talking about principles. I know you said you don't care much for romance in general, but you wouldn't actively avoid any show that has even hints of romance just because it isn't one of your interests, because that would be irrational, wouldn't it? It's the same if someone who enjoys the romance genre a lot (not you apparently) suddenly has a completely different opinion of romance when gay characters are involved. Irrational aversion. Now you mentioned that it doesn't hurt anybody if people make decisions like that, and I can partly agree to that. The action doesn't hurt anybody. Why bother arguing then? Well, firstly a lot of people don't just stick with the decision, they have to talk about it to reassure their manliness and it'll often result in derogatory ("I don't have anything against homos as long as they stay away because I find it disgusting to think about." or "As soon as I saw the kiss scene I dropped it. That's disgusting and I don't want to see it") postings that basically tell any gay person who might read it that that's how (a lot of) people still think about them, which can be hurtful, I imagine. Secondly, and already shown by the first point, it's the homophobic mindset that's dangerous, not that one specific symptom of for example dropping a random show because of 1 short gay scene or avoiding a possibly good romance because it has a gay relationship. So you 'treat' (or in this case point out) the condition, but are able to 'diagnose' it because of symptoms that might not even be harmful themselves, to draw a parallel to medicine. Doesn't mean the condition should be ignored though. I like romance, so no idea where you got that from. I just don't like gay romance. I don't like lesbian romance either, even though I can fap to lesbian porn. It just provides me no entertainment. And yeah, you don't have to arbitrarily rub it into people's faces that you don't like homosexual acts. But then again, that's a problem with people's manners and not with their mindset. |
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| @Shiratori: Guess I've mistaken you with baki, sorry about that. I guess we just disagree about what the core issue is. You say the manners are more problematic, I see them just as a possible symptom of the mindset. @Zerg: Well, I did mention that like one line after the one you quoted, didn't I? Also I never even knew Dumbledore was gay until now. As for using aversion, on the one hand the german translation 'abneigung' is far weaker than 'hatred' and that's how I use it in my mind. Secondly we're mostly talking about people who not only not watch stuff, but feel the need to voice their disgust about it regularly (we can hardly talk about silent people after all), basically the vocal non-yaoi watchers, in whose cases even the harsher translation of aversion would be something to consider. |
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Zergneedsfood said: That's why No. 6 is not listed as yaoi but various other shows where the gay relationship is at the forefront is. No. 6 isn't even considered a shounen-ai because the main characters' relationship was ambiguous. If it had that tag, a lot of the male watchers would stay out. |
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