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Mar 30, 2014 12:37 PM

#251

RafaelDeJongh

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What was up with that not able to add that blond guy to her friends list? Is he some kind of game created person or what's up with that? Same goes with that giant wave of fish man what's going on here?

Apr 1, 2014 10:50 AM

#252

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I like the character development of this series. Especially minori. Her character growth is huge. I wonder why rudy can't be added into the friend list

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Apr 7, 2014 4:38 PM

#253

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Why are the mods fine with the spoil level just on first page? Seriously.

^The preceding sentence is a calm placeholder for a rage capable of destroying a little country.

Minori's the real deal in this anime, Akatsuki's got nothing on her.

Apr 15, 2014 8:47 AM

#254

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Fish-people? xD

Apr 19, 2014 6:02 PM

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The heck is with the lack of usage of spoilers tag on this thread?
Atleast I figured it out instantly と( ° . ° )つ.
& I love how those Sahuagin are just like the Sahagin in Final Fantasy combined with the WOW Murlocs!
& this is great character development from the kids.

Jun 9, 2014 3:26 AM

#256

Honumael

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I think Rudy is an NPC. Maybe one of these Precursors.

Jul 3, 2014 1:25 AM

#257

Tengai

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Spoilers, spoilers everywhere =_=
Good thing is that I already read the spoilers about Rudy yesterday here: http://myanimelist.net/character/89243/Rundelhaus_Kode
I can see Rudy x Isuzu happening. Moar Lenessia!!
Nice, they finally did it!! They freaking finished the dungeon, thanks to Minori.

Jul 27, 2014 12:19 AM

#258

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ATTACK OF THE MURLOCS!

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Jul 31, 2014 3:00 PM

#259

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Just as the action picks up we gotta cliff hanger to another episode of lots of narrative lol

I thought this anime started well but really has a lull in the middle.

Such junk...

Aug 24, 2014 1:29 AM

#260

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Things are getting serious.

Sep 1, 2014 7:10 AM

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Silly girl, you can't add dogs to your friend list.

Was wondering what was up with the fish.

Sep 14, 2014 8:57 PM

#262

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cleverca22 said:

Urek said:

there is a reason. we fellow LN-reader knows it.
though, it was already hinted since last few episodes, i will not spoil you, just rewatch the last few episodes and think about it... and maybe you will get it :D

my guess is that rudy is

That was my guess too

Nov 1, 2014 8:20 PM

#263

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Minori finally spoke. And the party transformed those words into actions.
That teamwork with that OST was that awesome.

I'll be shipping Rudy and Isuzu now.
Lol, Rudy's a dog, but he can't be your friend.
Is this the confirmation we've been waiting for? (^_^)

Oh my, flying fish fighters have appeared!

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Nov 3, 2014 12:41 PM

#264

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wow, this one was really amazing episode. Sound directing was beautiful once again, it made that "epic" feeling.

Shit got real in the end

Nov 8, 2014 3:49 PM

#265

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Ahah... he looks like a dog xD Damn, suddenly appeared some many monters. They can be at level 20 to 30 but they're a lot of them! It's impossible to take care of them just with some veterans and lots of beginners...

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Dec 6, 2014 1:16 AM

#266

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Well! That was pretty good. I liked that they started a dialogue about Shiroe's scribe skill. Interesting how it will be tied to maps; I can't wait to see what they do with that. Also, Minori finally did something. I was a bit annoyed with how timid she's been until now. Like, I would be upset if her reluctantness to talk about teamwork lead to some consequence, but fortunately the whole situation was simply to build their characters. Personally, I felt the whole dungeon situation could have been presented better, but I might just be biased since I didn't like Minori and Tohya to begin with. Their growing on me I suppose (at least Minori is). Finally, the fish. Oh boy, I was beginning to settle to the situation with the people of the land and the adventurers, but now I starting to imagine this fish army will be used as a third party to mix things up, but who knows?

Jan 31, 2015 4:43 PM

#267

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Isuzu couldn't add Rudy to her friend list...so I'm assuming he's one of the People of the Land and that's why. D: Well whatever it is, hope it'll all be explained soon.

I love how she thinks of him as a dog LOL

Feb 22, 2015 5:27 PM

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Mai_Harpie said:
Isuzu couldn't add Rudy to her friend list...so I'm assuming he's one of the People of the Land and that's why. D: Well whatever it is, hope it'll all be explained soon.

I love how she thinks of him as a dog LOL

+1
I forgot about that, I guess that's probably the right thing.

Mar 4, 2015 12:00 AM

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Shocking truth ! Holy shit Rudy !
War.. this is war ahahaha.

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May 11, 2015 3:17 PM

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Rudy's so cute! Total golden retriever.

Jun 24, 2015 1:19 PM

#271

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Finally they manage to clear the dungeon.
Rudy the dog haha :D what a funny guy.
So it's confirmed he's a lander..
Nice to see Minori's growth.
So many fish monsters, was kinda funny ^^

Jul 29, 2015 10:51 AM

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Boy I am still so angry about the fact that every single underlevelled person is a child. Not only are they all mentally children, but why the fuck are their in game bodies children? When you played an RPG when you were 12 did you make a 12 year old?

In stark contrast from my other posts I'm going to give some constructive criticism on how they should have animated this series.

First off, they should have released a teaser trailer for the anime which is an in universe trailer for the new expansion. Something like three minutes long:

"Celebrate the 20th anniversary of Elder Tales MMORPG with the 12th expansion Novasphere Pioneers"

Something like that, see how much information you tell to the viewers straight away instead of how they went about pulling shit out of their ass only after important relevant stuff has happened eg: "OMG WE SPOKE ABOUT U 100 YEARS AGO SHIROE" "oh yeah btw when this was a game it took 12x the speed" which makes no sense btw, because how the fuck did they interact with NPCs who would perceive them to speaking 12x as slowly and players would see the NPCs speaking 12x as fast.

So in this three minute advert you go through "play one of the 9 classes as well as the many subclasses" and flash up some screens so that people who are super interested can pause and read them. People shouldn't have to fucking google sorcerer and shit to figure out what they are even though you're referring to them before they've been explained.

You give a bit of back story about how the world is half-gaia, how you have X many players, all that kind of shit. Demi-humans, the races, everything can be introduced here.

Boom. Fantastic teaser.

Okay, first episode you do them actually playing the game, you will end on them getting sucked into their computers whatever as the expansion goes live.

The episode focuses on Shiroe and a new player. Because you know who new players are, people who fucking sign up for the expansion, not people who are level 20-30 AND WHO MUST HAVE PLAYED WITH EACH OTHER SINCE THEY'RE FUCKING TWINS ANYWAY. Also they aren't retards either, you know google exists, they probably read the Wiki and shit. The bigger problems is that for someone who is LEVLE FUCKING 1 THERE IS NO TUTORIALS OR ANYTHING AT ALL AND THEY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LEVEL 29 ARE FINE.

Right anyway, so Shiroe is playing and messaging people and just you feel the general excitement for the new expansion, you see the travel gates in action, and how he notices a lot of his buddies and shit are online cause everyone is hyped and he's like oh this city is really big and shit. And you can show cool stuff that's going to come up later like maybe he goes to X Y and Z or talks to A B and C and then goes back to Akhibarba. He can see all the new players running around doing starting quests and shit

Then we cut to our twins analogue right and you get to see them making a character and deciding waht too choose so that people who haven't watched the teaser get some idea. They shape their character and shit. Also they don't have to be 12, they talk about looking stuff up on a wiki but tehy're like I can't be arsed. Also who the fuck is paying for these kids subscription anyway so mention that there if they are kids. You probably want to have some kids if you're making an anime since how else will you get your otaku loli fucks to buy your merch, but why not just make them be lolicon themselves and want too play a loli you know how many fucks play those pedo bait girls in TERA? You goddamn know every oone of them is 90 years old and shit.

ANyway so the kids are like "oh I heard from my friend that paladin is good and shit or wahtever you want them top pplay" and they choose their classes and design their character. Then they can start doing the basic quests and shit. Show some basic MMO stuff off here, like parties and guilds and that free XP thing in their inbox. Then boom end of episode is them all being warped into the shit.

Right so this is really good now because a) viewers know what the fuck is going on b) you've got this good lead in for new players needing to learn how to play c) you've got a guy who obviously is pro as well

Episode 2

Now what the fuck? They just totally skipped this whole shit. Think of your average MMO player, do they fucking go outside? no they don't. Suddenly they are in a world. I want every reaction under the sun. People crying, people who are happy cause they can walk, people who aren't fat, people who are playing girls and vice versa (I swear that is never mentioned in this shit). You've got serious transmophia going on here. Not only that, any little kids who are playing are suddenly in adults bodies and do they even fucking know how to cook or tie their shoes or shit. These are issues.

So like the newbies should get absolutely nothing done this episode. Complete breakdown. They don't know what anything is, the quests and shit are gone, they got no one on their friends list. Everyone else is going to shit, etc.

Shiroe is the same way for a bit but then he calms the fuck down, he's all like "I've played this game from the beta, I know this woorld through and through (also so he's like fucking 30 in real life at least then). So he gets used to his body, you cand o the stupid anime shit like "I know you so well because I play with you so long". anyway so immediatedly he's like shit travel gate is down, he's seeing all this chaos and shit but he's like i gotta talk to some high level shit and stuff.

Right so most of the second episode is devoted to that, andin the future I want constant references to it. I want the fucking boss paladin to be like "shit my girlfriend always made sushi for me" or whatever when they're making dinner and shit. Cause realise what's happened here, people have actually fucking lost their entire families and everyone they ever known or loved and they've never lived without a working toilet or clean water or all this shit. Show a bit of good stuff like the assassin running faster than she ever ran in real life and all that stuff.

Okay so third episode you can basically cut to this fucking terrible storyline they've got where we've suddenly divided sapient creatures into us versus them groups (also notice how for some fucking reasons countries are always divided by race, like the alvs were a nation even though that makes no sense if they were tiny why wouldn't they spread out and sell their merch and shit)

Also this episoode you want to show people interacting with People of the Land and shopkeepers and stuff, maybe even do that in the second one. Really hammer it in though.You want people shouting at them, the guy who usually does the starter quest too. LIke their fucking shit logic in game "Oh adventurer's stopped doing our quests" what you talking about, you stopped offerring item and xp and shit.

Anyway the People of the Land should be like "wow u guys are speaking a lot fucking slower than that 12x speed you spoke before son" or not because that was retarded as shit anyway. So you see that the People of the Land have levels and stuff still and they have a green bar telling you what is. SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE REALLY FUCKING OBVIOUS IF RUDY IS A NPC SO IF THEY MAKE HIM AN NPC LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IMA BE MAD AS SHIT.

You also develop this stupid food thing that made absolutely no sense (like wtf who came up with that idea why doesnt it apply to literally everything). Show people failing to take a shit because they're not high enough level and stuff. Anyway I want to see people killing themselves too to try and log out and then rezing and I don't know if it turns out if htey lose their memories or not BUT DROP HINTS LIKE A GOOD SHOW. FORESHADOW SHIT INSTEAD OF BRINGING UP THE FOOD THING THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE ONLY AFTER YOU BRING IT UP EUGH.

Right and remember while you're doing this, see people who play MMO's right, they're fucking real people, and while them fucking up NPCs is fair play, fucking up other players is only shit they do when their angry or rioting or confused and mad and shit right. They will fight but they're not EVIL TM like those fucking stupid guilds who suddenly want to be slave labourers and have no moral compass and again WHY ARE KIDS ALLOWED TO SIGN UP TO THIS GAME ANYWAY.

So make the shit realistic. So there will be guilds in this game who are pirates and who have themes like that, but I want to see some of them be like, shit man this is real now we can't PK (not that PKing does anything) because we have to live in this world for the rest of our lives and shit. Also people don't get fucking bored after a week of doing nothing they have plenty to do anyway like capture demihumans so tehy don't die and therefore don't respawn and why are demihumans dicks too I want some motivation for this shit

Okay but some guilds can be absolute cunts I ain't denying that there will be a group of players who were the people who capture children or who would murder someone. but remember they're still first world humans in a group so I want proper development of them being like nah it's just a game tehy aren't dying then slowly being like hey we actually like causing pain. ALSO IF THE GAME ACTUALLY CAUSES PAIN THEN WHY ARE POEPLE STILL FIGHTING being hit by a fucking sword or your air being burned in your lungs is something people don't willingly do 99% of the time. people wouldn't leave teh city if pain was a thing.

Also to have some real cool stuff have the economy start changing as food becomes scarer as the enemy attacks are more common because the adventurer's are holing up in the city. Right? Because that's good. That's a good source of conflict. You have people who don't want to feel pain or injury or die. And you have the cost of starvation and a lack of material goods if tehy don't go out and protect the adventurer's or deal with the monsters.

Then you've also got all hte new players and stuff to deal with.

After you've done all that and started interacting more with the Players (and none oif this stupid "omg how do they think and how do they think we think", the land people are like wtf they are acting different but otherwise they know everything about adventurer's and for the adventurer's land people are acting just the same.

Now the monster scaling with level thing or being attracted by level makes no sense with all the demihuman stuff, cos does that mean this new army is because SHireo is level 91 or whatever? Fucking retarded mechanic, but anyway if you're gonna have it there's yet again another use for the level 1 plebs. Bring them along when you dfeal with supply problems and have them do that teacher thing so that mobs aren't aggroed.

Alright anyway so all the guilds in teh city will have been competing over what goods they care about bringing in since they all have different demands and stuff. So have this council happen as a response to the chaos and also the envoy from the people o fht eland kingdom. you can still do that absolutely retarded thing where he buys the guild hall if you want but people should fukcing realise that they can buy it if they can and how are prices determined hwo is he buying it from makes no sense i wouldn't do that shit if i was you. So have this kid unite them by playing them off against each other and doing stuff about how by working together they can actualyl bring in more stuff and also the secret to the food or wahtever if you really want to go that route.

Right so Shiroe masterfully unites them and they come up with a bunch of issues they have to solve.

Establishing contact with the rest of the world, so they need people who can speak english or whatever there should be people who aren't Japanese in Akihbara and there should be stuff about that as well because people could travel via the travel gates remember so expect people stranded everywhere. (seriously they really show fucking take a griffon to new york or london or brisbane or something)

Dealing with surviving, what can kill people, can their consciousness ever end, how about their needs, can they get sick, die, what do people need, making sure there are rules so no one is locked somewhere and tortured forever. WHich is like the only crime of any relevance.

As part of the above dealing with people of lower levels who are less used to the game who need to learn about stuff (hence summer camp beach stuff)

Dealing with People of the Land who die, and live and who are basically normal humans in the real world. The important goal here is to stop them dying, then improve their stnadard of living. they need schools, hospitals, modern technology and stuff. Might as well conquer teh world so they don't go to war and stuff. Make sure they don't have backwards tuff like corporal punishment and marriage without consent and all that backward shit that ancient mediveal cultures have.

OKay that's good because there is conflict between the people of the land adn stuff.

Finally you want to be able to see if there's a way to get out and return to the real world (what happens to allk the People of the Land RIP_ and find out what happened.

OKAY BOOM. GREAT FUCKING STORY CAN THEY DO IT LIKE THIS PLEASE

Sep 21, 2015 1:08 AM

#273

Shape430

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Yeah, the amount of idiots spoiling here is ridiculous. Please learn to use spoiler tags or don't post at all. Jesus, I wish this site actually had active moderators.

But yeah, so Rudy can't be added for some reason, I'm guessing hes an NPC or a former adventurer that lost all his memories. Also that's a lot of damn fish people lol.

Oct 17, 2015 12:19 AM

#274

WolfWood37

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The bigger question still is why are they trapped/transported to this world.

Oct 19, 2015 7:55 AM

#275

Bigod1981

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@RMcD goddamn it's just a fictional fantasy story and a typical japnese anime one no less. You come in writing an essay expecting it to be realistic and draw 1:1 parallels to every fucking thing that has happened in real life, just lol

Nov 2, 2015 9:52 AM

#276

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Bigod1981 said:
@RMcD goddamn it's just a fictional fantasy story and a typical japnese anime one no less. You come in writing an essay expecting it to be realistic and draw 1:1 parallels to every fucking thing that has happened in real life, just lol

lol i agree with u.

Jan 2, 2016 8:33 PM

#277

Teufel

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I do enjoy the political and economic side of the anime, but I've been hoping for more action to highlight the thrilling OST. Although I guess given the invasion of monsters that may not be a problem for the near future.

So-so episode. I liked the teamwork but it wasn't exactly thrilling. That said I like the dynamic of the newbie team better than Shiroe's. The humor's actually funny with them. I cracked up when Rudy made the face in his sleep. And when he talked down guilds, considering he's voiced by Natsu's VA... too funny.

Enemy hordes, Rudy possibly being an NPC since he can be added to the friends list? Should make for an interesting next episode.

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Mar 6, 2016 4:57 PM

#278

HumbertoZero

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Jajajajaja Rudy is a dog!! Jajaja omg, this anime is so great!

OK, why can't she add him as friend? He knows it... What is going on there? :O

The battle was OK, not super exiting but it was good. I like the chemistry all the members have, they can be a good team. I'm really looking forward for more :)

Apr 6, 2016 10:07 PM

#279

Kuruwin

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I understand that you have to not exclude anyone because of financial reasons but it's annoying when character's act like complete retards.

If they were really that bad at playing then they should have just stayed as crafter's or something.

EDIT: And what did they taught these kids at the camp? seems like answer is nothing.

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Oct 12, 2016 9:50 AM

#280

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Minori finally got the group to work together.
Rudy can't be added to the friendlist because he's a dog! - Nah J/K, he's probably an NPC, he did a great job at acting like an adventurer though.

Apr 26, 2018 7:31 AM

#281

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Now that combination of attacks, mutual skill supports, and party coordination of battle tactics and strategy has been field tested and will now become doctrine, rinse, repeat...let the level grinding begin! XD

Hmm he can't be added to the friendlist? Curious. Is he an NPC...uhmm People of the Land?

Excited for the action filled ending and for the next episode!

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Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy.

Mar 17, 2019 11:41 PM

#282

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Minori suggested to know each other skills better. In the afternoon they went to the dungeon with a prepared strategy to beat the undeads. Minori called Shiroe to inform him their success in training. Krusty was eating with Rayneshia. Isuzu tried to add Rudy to her friend list but she couldn't. A huge group of sahaugin (fish monsters) appeared in the beach, Shouryuu and others appeared.

Well done by that kids, I think there's gonna be a good surprise coming from Rudy, and wtf with that fishes.

Sep 8, 2019 7:37 AM

#283

ShadowkillZ

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The finally realized that group tactics play a BIG ROLE when raiding a dungeon! And I do enjoy seeing how they showcase their abilities and put them into action while they're in the dungeon. Congratulations for successfully raiding a dungeon as a party. Shiroe must be feeling really proud of them when Minori reported to him.

Isuzu and Rudy would make a good couple. That wouldn't be a problem even if she looks at him as a dog, as long as they can be friends at first, it's all good right? NOPE! THE INSTANT RUDY CAN'T BE ADDED AS A FRIEND MY MIND WENT "HE'S A FUCKING NPC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Aug 15, 2020 4:05 PM

#284

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Rudy is like soooo hilarious xD best character.
But I wonder why she can't add him in her friend list, that's weird

Dec 30, 2020 6:29 PM

#285

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Ah, finally the kids found a way to get out of their lack of team works, by the additional cohesion into the groups. Its seeing all of them having such a lovely discussion like that, its really strengthened their overall relationship. Meanwhile, at the palace, Shiroe started to documenting all of his knowledge regarding the past reality world of him and the new knowledge from Regan at the previous encounters. Its actually just the preparation needed to overcome a fear of losing the intacted memories, if somehow he death. Well, its kinda overreacting. But somehow, its really a smart move.

The next scene with Krusty and his crushing princess that slowly started submissive, and surrender with his suggestions. Then the attack from those monsters horde, and those intriguing Rudy, tho. Could he be the adventurers from the second World Fraction? Still, the new challenge for the Round Table Alliances already surrounded to their calming training camp!

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May 24, 2021 5:04 AM

#286

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Really well done episode , just as id expect.

They worked together and learned a lot ,the guys are going to be good adventurers !!!

Jul 22, 2021 3:29 PM

#287

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The young ones learning the most fundamental thing in teamwork: understanding one another.
While his behaviour and name already suggested something weird, still a twist to find out Rudy is actually a npc seeing how he cant be added to the friendlist, either that or the friendlist is full.

Oct 16, 2021 4:02 AM

#288

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RafaelDeJongh said:
What was up with that not able to add that blond guy to her friends list? Is he some kind of game created person or what's up with that? Same goes with that giant wave of fish man what's going on here?

Just starting to watch this show so I am assuming Rudy is a people of the land maybe?

Nov 8, 2021 11:10 AM

#289

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The show's gone backwards a bit with these latest few episodes barring 14. This made me sleepy to watch, more than me being immersed. Pretty underwhelming stuff here again.

Jul 25, 2023 3:11 PM

#290

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Another awesome episode again, nice to see that the small group of newer adventurers were able to take down the dungeon, just with a little strategy.

Also, that’s a lot of fish, even if they are relatively low level, they still are going to be powerful given their numbers. That was the last thing I was expecting to happen.

Aug 25, 2023 11:08 AM

#291

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The story finally took the game maniac of combat seriously and give us a well written battle. Otherwise it was flashy attack that were overpowering the Anime with very little tactics involved.

Jul 1, 1:50 PM

#292

Vermelhin

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I'm loving watching the Kid's developing their tatics and learning about the others.
Also the lore about the world itself...sheesh

Jul 30, 8:56 PM

#293

Alkimia

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Is Rudy an NPC?!

Pretty good episode! It focused a bit more more on the new players learning how to work as a group to go through dungeon, and now a huge amount of monsters are attacking the training camp. Really excited to see where this goes! But I get the feeling someone's dying soon, possibly Rudy, maybe the Combat Leader, either way it'd really hurt. Rudy would die for good (if they are an NPC), and the Combat Leader could lose memories. I need to see where this goes!

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