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| Interesting way of doing the flashbacks, quite enjoyed them. |
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| the revealing of the secret of the world is coming, i can already sense it from next door QwQ |
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| Was this episode censored, or was the animation just really dark? (please answer in a comment on my profile if you want to reply, I don't want to see any spoilers so I am avoiding the message boards here). |
| First episode I cried in Little Busters! Not because it's unpredictable, IMHO Rin 2 gives too much clues (although it's not a bad thing). Yes, I think I have guessed everything from that point, but seeing everything basically confirmed and Kyousuke's despair here... Oh God. Next episode... the next episode. (And yeah, basically we can confirm a lot of other things now, for example about indirect meaning of Kengo's tears in last episode.) |
| welp that's a good setup episode my body is ready for a shitstorm pls dont disappoint now refrain |
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| I don't think this is the revealing, but the unveiling of the outer shell... 3 episodes left... I wonder if I can hold out with this excessive amount of tragedy. My heart is hurting, I forgive you Kyousuke! D: I hope this ends without leaving too many questions in the air. This was truly a magnificent episode, I was getting Madoka Magica vibes since Homura's situation was so similar to Kyousuke's. They seem villainous at first, but after portraying their point of view of going back in time numerous time, they are seen as very tragic characters that are simply just trying too hard. I'm really surprise that there was a story like this already planned since the start of early 2006. I think I can see one of the reasons why it became so absurdly popular because of it's story. |
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hackrabbits said: This was truly a magnificent episode, I was getting Madoka Magica vibes since Homura's situation was so similar to Kyousuke's. It's pretty amusing because their episode 10s sort of coincide with each other, with the ending replaced by the opening. |
hackrabbits said: I don't think this is the revealing, but the unveiling of the outer shell... 3 episodes left... I wonder if I can hold out with this excessive amount of tragedy. My heart is hurting, I forgive you Kyousuke! D: I hope this ends without leaving too many questions in the air. This was truly a magnificent episode, I was getting Madoka Magica vibes since Homura's situation was so similar to Kyousuke's. They seem villainous at first, but after portraying their point of view of going back in time numerous time, they are seen as very tragic characters that are simply just trying too hard. I'm really surprise that there was a story like this already planned since the start of early 2006. I think I can see one of the reasons why it became so absurdly popular because of it's story. Tragic time-traveler main character is one of the main staple for plot-heavy Visual Novel medium, and Madoka is written by Gen Urobuchi (previously mainly a VN writer) so I guess all of them came from the same root (I think the root would be YUNO, which was written in around 1998 if I'm not mistaken). I guess it's popular since it plays very good in VN, where the perspective is very personal and the medium is also very good for non-linear story that time-loop related story usually requires. Couple it with some other tropes such as unreliable narrator and you have a basic recipe for masterpiece. |
koagzero said: Maffy said: AND EVERYONE ELSE JUST GOES ALONG WITH HIM. I find it absurd that if the rest knew from the start what was going on, they opened their hearts again and again AND AGAIN... koagzero, are you sure about that? I thought that xFelipe said: The only thing that really bothered was that in the VN the creators of the world were all Little Busters, including the girls. In the anime they changed so only Kyousuke was the responsible of it's birth. That kinda of make it seems like Kyousuke pulled them forcibly in the dream world. Disregarding that, this was a beautiful episode, 5/5. I think in the VN it is only Kyousuke. |
rodacDec 7, 2013 7:51 PM
| The sudden rush of feelz i felt when the VN Menu music came! :D |
koagzero said: Maffy said: I still don't get what the heck is happening. and the people in Little Busters except Riki and Rin knew about it (HOW?!?), though not sure if Kurugaya and the rest knew from the start, (Did everyone know they kept repeating the same shit till Riki gets it?!), Wait... from what Kyousuke is saying(excluding the original Little Busters members), wasn't Komari the first one of the new members that remembered everything (after multiple resets to solve her 'regret') before Kud did? It seems like Kud had multiple resets as well that made her remember, but not sure if I should rely on the order the new members joined. I know for sure that Haruka and Mio were the last ones that noticed though. On another note, they also didn't mention anything about how Kurugaya's own little loop appeared. >> |
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| Good episode, Kyousuke flashback is far good adapted than my expectation. it's still confuse me when all girl members of little buster join in, when the dream world created to help Kyousuke plan or before it. because according kyousuke say, the new members of little buster will be persons that have regret in that world, so what i caught is the girls member join little buster in the dream world to get rid of their regret in the past. And last scene when Riki comes to give a hand to Kyousuke almost bring my tears down. Look like i can't hold my tears for next episode. |
| Great episode. This episode reminds me why is Kyousuke amazing and they did a good job adding Komari's bad end and Little Melody XD. I can still manage to hold my tears. I'm still not ready for next episode...T-T |
| "The moment man devoured the fruit of knowledge, he sealed his fate... Entrusting his future to the cards, man clings to a dim hope. Yet, the Arcana is the means by which all is revealed... Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are... Death awaits you." —Nyx Avatar, Persona 3 |
| Having to watch Kyousuke crawl to the bus, leaving a blood trail, and while giving the flashback was painful. I really think they did a great job with that scene. Also, the explanation was really good, it covered basically everything. Oh man, next episode though. I think it's gonna be THE ONE that a lot of people have been waiting for. I really hope they don't mess it up. |
| there's going to be a pool of tears on my desk next week T_T |
| Nothing to say again. Great and well executed episode. Next week, prepare everyone your tissues... I´m ready for it... |
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| Very good episode though the way they showed the flashbacks were a bit weird. I also think they made too much revealing as to what was going on. I'm pretty sure everyone already knows about the secret of the world. Kyousuke was too awesome this episode. Watching him crawling towards the bus was too hard for me. The VA did a very good job portraying Kyousuke's suffering. Kudos to JC Staff for giving us a great episode. Now, time to prepare for next week because it will be even greater. |
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| Great episode. However i'm confused on some parts, anyone can clear it up for me? Did the original 5 Little Busters knew Komari, Mio etc before the accident happened or after, when he established the loops? Cause Kyousuke said that he chose the people because they will in similar situation and had troubles to bare so that confused me. Did the events like solving Saigusa's family's issue etc happen IRL before the accident or just in that looped world? Someone please explain! |
ArcanaTrace said: Great episode. However i'm confused on some parts, anyone can clear it up for me? Did the original 5 Little Busters knew Komari, Mio etc before the accident happened or after, when he established the loops? Cause Kyousuke said that he chose the people because they will in similar situation and had troubles to bare so that confused me. Did the events like solving Saigusa's family's issue etc happen IRL before the accident or just in that looped world? Someone please explain! It's implied that they are. Edit: I didn't realise you said 'solving'. No. They didn't solve those things. |
TakeMeInYourArmyDec 8, 2013 2:13 AM
| Can't answer your first question because I totally forgot Refrain but I guess I can answer your second question. ArcanaTrace said: Seano299 said: The reason why am I wondering if it's supposed to be in spoiler tags is that Loops is implied, accident is implied, but that... That's why I keep my answer spoiler-free at the very least for the sake of episode 11 by without mentioning the |
AversaDec 10, 2013 2:20 PM
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Tennouji_ said: Seano299 said: The reason why am I wondering if it's supposed to be in spoiler tags is that Loops is implied, accident is implied, but that... That's why I keep my answer spoiler-free at the very least for the sake of episode 11 by without mentioning the I've spoiler tagged it now :D |
| Good EP. Does Kyousuke's body splits in half? They doesn't show his lower body. Next Ep "The End of The World" Key really likes this phrase huh. Well it sounds good to my ears. |
_ClariS said: Plottwist: Jun Maeda is a descendant of the MayansGood EP. Does Kyousuke's body splits in half? They doesn't show his lower body. Next Ep "The End of The World" Key really likes this phrase huh. Well it sounds good to my ears. |
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_ClariS said: Good EP. Does Kyousuke's body splits in half? They doesn't show his lower body. umm, his legs are clearly visible when he was sitting down near the end so you won't need to worry about that lol. |
Tennouji_ said: Can't answer your first question because I totally forgot Refrain but I guess I can answer your second question. ArcanaTrace said: Tennouji_ said: Seano299 said: The reason why am I wondering if it's supposed to be in spoiler tags is that Loops is implied, accident is implied, but that... That's why I keep my answer spoiler-free at the very least for the sake of episode 11 by without mentioning the |
AversaDec 10, 2013 2:22 PM
Ol-Hybrius said: It's quite irrelevant, but they omitted to put Kengo's jumper in this flashback scene : http://shcboomer.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/little-busters-refrain-refrain-subs-episode-10/#jp-carousel-1235 I definitely didn't notice that! XD |
| Kyousuke's episode, worth getting him on avatar, that's for sure. Midorikawa-san did awesome job, as always, dat one Kyousuke's tear got me. Still didn't cry though, next episode has to be even stronger... Many wonderful shots, and even though it was pretty much a recap, it explained a lot and was really enjoyable to watch. Didn't expect them to adapt Komari's bad end, though I think Haruka's one would be even stronger. Also, some shots were kinda weird, like Kyousuke was watching previous episodes in the cinema, that made me giggle a little. And that CGI blood/gasoline looked awful, honestly. Still, it was a great episode, though I guess maybe it made Kengo looking like a bad and chidlish guy. |
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| I guess the story is starting to make sense? I'm just wondering how many times Kyousuke has turned back time now... |
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| Time to prepare the tissues, it's an emotional rollercoaster all over from there. Great episode this time. |
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| Great episode :) Things finally starting to clear up, after whole this runing around with every new episode. |
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| Well, here's a late reply to Maffy, but I re-wrote my replies so that they're not spoilerish, except for one part which I used spoiler tags for. @Maffy >>I still don't get what the heck is happening. It explains pretty much NOTHING. We only get to know that Kyousuke turned the time back (HOW?!) The dream world is based on the events of the past, May 13th to June 20th, while the real world is suspended in time. Time is slowed down and shared among the LBs. >>to avoid/ prepare for a catastrophy and created a world (HOW??) >>and the people in Little Busters except Riki and Rin knew about it (HOW?!?), It was created for Riki and Rin, so they're the only ones who don't keep the memories of the accident. Kyousuke, as leader of the world, can manipulate it to that extent to make them stronger. >>though not sure if Kurugaya and the rest knew from the start, and he kept turning back the time for every trial (Did everyone know they kept repeating the same shit till Riki gets it?!), until his powers (WHAT!) started waning and he had to let some people go (WHERE? HOW? WHAT!). The girls were trying to get over their past regrets that they had hid in the back of their minds in the real world. They wanted to fulfill them, and Riki helping them through Kyousuke's plan was the way to do it. Kyousuke turned back time and reset Riki and each girl's memories to the beginning if Riki screwed up and failed to be strong enough to help them. He needed to become mentally stronger within this looping dream world. >>So, the world we knew till a few epis back doesn't exist anymore and we are in a new world that Kyousuke made, where he can barely stand??? It DOES still exist. The two worlds are parallel to each other, and Kyousuke is in this "place" where he can hardly stand, while flashing back to the dream world where Riki is talking to him. The dream world has not bee destroyed. It has only been reset back to May 13th. Riki even took Kyousuke's hand back in the dream world at the end, so how could it not exist?? >>And the rest were bitches about creating the team again, whyyy?Was it cause it'd change nothing? Masato did it as a test for Riki to become stronger. Kyousuke said that "Masato knew his plan all along." Note how Masato congratulated him on a job well done in episode 8. Kengo opposed Kyousuke's plan from the beginning. He opposed it in episode 6 with the baseball game conflict. He never wanted the dream world to have to collapse. He opposed it again when he went into Kyousuke's room and confronted him about his harsh methods. He brought up the results of the baseball game and the runaway with Riki and Rin, and the police reviving Rin's traumatic past, causing her depressed state in episode 7. So they thought snapping on Riki would make things better? I don't get it. They weren't "snapping on Riki." They were testing him to try to make him stronger. They were trying to get him to be as strong as Kyousuke. Masato parts: http://puu.sh/5GxeF.jpg http://puu.sh/5Gxft.jpg http://puu.sh/5GxfU.jpg http://puu.sh/5Gxgr.jpg Kengo parts: http://puu.sh/5Gxxb.jpg (Kyousuke's words) http://puu.sh/5Gxz8.jpg (Kyousuke's words) http://puu.sh/5GxAq.jpg (Kengo's words) http://puu.sh/5GxBQ.jpg (Kengo's words) http://puu.sh/5GxDz.jpg (Kyousuke's words) http://puu.sh/5GxEb.jpg (Kengo's words) http://puu.sh/5GxFJ.jpg http://puu.sh/5GxG7.jpg http://puu.sh/5GxGF.jpg Kyousuke has been helping Riki reassemble the Little Busters, which will cause the inevitable end of the dream world. Kengo wanted Kyousuke to stop his plan. He didn't believe Riki was strong enough and that Kyousuke's plan was working until he was defeated in episode 9, to which he joins the team. See, the monologues and the past events explained nearly every "issue" you have with the series. All the answers aren't plainly laid out in front of you, but they're there if you look for them. The only thing left was "how" the world was created. There is no need to be upset ( http://www.buckeyeinteractive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/flying-lawnmower.gif ) |
Vladz0rDec 8, 2013 2:44 PM
| was a great episode, liked it, i got really aroused for the next episode |
HaXXspetten said: _ClariS said: Plottwist: Jun Maeda is a descendant of the MayansGood EP. Does Kyousuke's body splits in half? They doesn't show his lower body. Next Ep "The End of The World" Key really likes this phrase huh. Well it sounds good to my ears. Plot twist Air is the only VN that jun maeda had balls in |
firstblood said: was a great episode, liked it, i got really aroused for the next episode Calls curled up in a ball crying aroused ;o; |
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| i have faith in JC Staff that they are going to perfect the most important episode :) |
| Good lead up episode. It's barely keeping me fully engaged and believing. |
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RediceRyan said: Good lead up episode. It's barely keeping me fully engaged and believing. You mean you still don't really get what's happening? I suggest watching the episode again then :D -------- epic_joelle said: i have faith in JC Staff that they are going to perfect the most important episode :) And also the episode after the next one, actually that part teared me up harder than that of the next episode (TT) |
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planetarian said: he's been a girl since then? shockingHaXXspetten said: _ClariS said: Plottwist: Jun Maeda is a descendant of the MayansGood EP. Does Kyousuke's body splits in half? They doesn't show his lower body. Next Ep "The End of The World" Key really likes this phrase huh. Well it sounds good to my ears. Plot twist Air is the only VN that jun maeda had balls in |
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| This episode just got me more confused. Saw it twice but still.... :( |
makoa69 said: After Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, Clannad After Story, Endless Eight, and Madoka Magika, the 'multiple worlds' time repeat story is just getting old for me. Clearly there's more to the LB story than just that, and I'm greatly looking forward to the next episode. But yeh, the time looping thing just doesn't wow me like it did the first time I saw Higurashi. Of course there is more :D And just to remind you that LB is released in 2007 which only Higurashi and Clannad which you mentioned is out before LB which I both love and I love LB more than them even I read(higu)/watched(CL) them first :D Muchan said: I guess the story is starting to make sense? I'm just wondering how many times Kyousuke has turned back time now... Yes, after they have shown Komari's tragic bad end in this episode, how JC combined the story of LB is quite clear now. See below. SuperImpact said: This episode just got me more confused. Saw it twice but still.... :( Basically, without spoilers of the next episode, what this episode tells you is that Kyousuke, with the strong hope to make Riki and Rin stronger to move on, created the world of the little busters, with the same hope of Kengo, Masato, Komari, Haruka, Yuiko, Kud and Mio. The previous stories of the girls are from the loops of the world. At first Riki was not strong enough to help the girls because he himself was even weaker than them. But through what Kyousuke and the gang have taught him, Riki became mentally stronger and helped the girls to solve their regrets through many many loops of the world. Every time when Riki failed to manage the problems of the girls, Kyousuke will start the world over again. In the VN, Kyousuke also starts the world over again even if you have successfully solved a girl's problem, but in the anime it has shown Riki saving the girls in the same loop, which means, Riki has already experienced countless loops in the Little Buster's world, which lead him to be a stronger person. He failed when saving one of the girls in one of the loop and was made to start over again, and also have experienced another loop when he failed to save one after saving another. Easier way to understand: Loop 1 -> Riki -> failed to save, for example, Komari -> restart Loop 1+a -> Riki -> saved for example, Komari -> unable to save another girl, for example, Mio -> restart Loop 1+a+b -> Riki -> saved, say Komari and Mio -> failed to save girls other than them, for e.g. Haruka -> restart Loop n (loop shown in the anime before Refrain) -> Riki -> saved Komari->Mio->Haruka->Kud->Yuiko-> Loop n+1 -> Rin arc -> Refrain (the loop shown now) For dummies: World restarts if Riki fails to help any one of the girls. The loop shown in the anime is the loop which Riki finally succeeds in helping all the girls in one single loop, which eventually leads to the events of Rin's route and Refrain. Where in the VN (Not really a spoiler, just putting it into a tag since it is unnecessary for the AoVs to know): So basically, after countless attempts, Riki finally grew strong enough to save all the girls in one single loop (which is the story that was shown in the anime), therefore the girls except Rin and Komari left.In the end of the loop, Rin arc began, which ended when Rin and Riki ran away after all those things shown happened in Ep6. Kyousuke realizing this loop is a failure restarted the world again, and now this loop that is currently showing is the last loop (Refrain arc). More details will be described in the next episode, about how this whole thing happened, why this world is created and how. Do you understand now? Get it :D? ----------------------------- This is the explanation of the events, if excluding the hinting of the awakening between arcs shown in the anime. Another reasonable explanation for the anime would be (including the awakenings) (again not a spoiler, but too long to be listed out) : If you are thinking that the above explanations are too confusing to understand, just interpret it as: Riki helps the girls and the world repeats to a point of the timeline where the problems have not shown yet, and he helps them again until they all have their regrets solved. Riki then faces Yuiko route and Rin's then finally enters RF where everything is happening from the start of the world, on 13/5. |
inuvivoDec 9, 2013 1:48 AM
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| Thanks xMaebaraK1x. You nicely explained what had me confused about this episode. |
SuperImpact said: Thanks xMaebaraK1x. You nicely explained what had me confused about this episode. Good to hear that :D It has been a while since I have typed this much :o |
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| kinda understand now :/ what is Kyousuke a god? |
animelover6644 said: kinda understand now :/ what is Kyousuke a god? No :o But the most important creator of the LB world. The world creator: Kyousuke The GMs: Kengo, Masato The other supporters of the world: Mio, Haruka, Kud (which both three of them left after Yuiko did), Komari (which stays behind because of Rin and has more power than the other supporters of the world since she is allowed to not leave the world), and Yuiko (which has the power to alter the world's normal cycle in her arc because of her love for Riki, and is forced to leave the world because of this) The world is created for: Rin and Riki |
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