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GZeppeli said: http://www.samumenco.com/story/#08 Here's the preview from the show's official website. I copypasted the summary into Google Translate and got this: "Onslaught! Legion of Evil Whole of Japan to be abuzz to the emergence of Phantom 'Torture King' gang of mystery. They had demanded the enslavement of the people and completely surrendered to the Japanese government. Police fellow was sacrificed, burn the fighting spirit that capture the Phantom. Confrontation ...... it with Phantom threatening peace figure of hero seen in your dreams. In collaboration justice shaken off the hesitations and original mound, 'Flamenco Girl' and police, to confront them with confidence!" So yeah, it was almost certainly no dream/TV show/whatever. RIP this show being good, its hard to imagine a director as good as the one that made this could actually have made such a horrendous genre shift transition. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
GZeppeli said: wow this sounds horrible, it really does end up becoming a generic sentai showSomeone on thecartdriver shared a much better translation here, and one for episode 9's summary as well: http://thecartdriver.com/samurai-flamenco-episode-7-if-youre-viewing-this-post-in-the-future-yes-this-is-that-episode/#comment-97474 seriously those episodes sound straight out of one punch man |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Candor said: i second that, i need a source or backing behind thatbastek66 said: source?It's already confirmed that it's not a dream. I'm not sure if people were trolling but there were ep 8 and 9 preview summaries released. Found in comments section in this link: GZeppeli said: http://thecartdriver.com/samurai-flamenco-episode-7-if-youre-viewing-this-post-in-the-future-yes-this-is-that-episode/#comment-97474 |
mayukachan said: my only question is where did they get the episode 9 description.JizzyHitler said: Candor said: i second that, i need a source or backing behind thatbastek66 said: source?It's already confirmed that it's not a dream. I'm not sure if people were trolling but there were ep 8 and 9 preview summaries released. Found in comments section in this link: GZeppeli said: http://thecartdriver.com/samurai-flamenco-episode-7-if-youre-viewing-this-post-in-the-future-yes-this-is-that-episode/#comment-97474 |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| *Watch 6 and a half episodes...* And now for something completely different. |
rodac said: This is actually really good, I wouldn't mind it this way. Nice one. |
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| I... what? What the fuck just happened? Hey, I expected this to be kept minimally realistic... Couldn't they make the villain some drug lord or yakuza instead? I thought the guy was having a seizure, then BAM. He transforms?? WITH A WEAPON ON HIM? WHAT IS THIS. WHAT IS THIS MADNESS. I won't believe it if they explain it as special effects later on... And when that floating guy appeared my jaw dropped. Fine, be that way. :L |
| I was like "Dafuq is going on? Dream? Tv show? Watahell?" Holly shit I cant wait the episode 8 !!! It was so surreal that I was thinking that at any time the director would say "cut" and everything would be nothing but a recording of a show or maybe he wakes up and everything would have been a dream ... BUT WTF, are you serious? O.ô |
ArkanthaNeroNov 22, 2013 5:45 PM
| I don't get all the complaining. Even if there ends up being a genre-shift, it doesn't negate all the good writing up until this point. It'll certainly be more challenging to keep up the level of quality, but this is hardly indicative of the show failing; in fact, it may end up better for it. The showrunners clearly have a plan for where they want to take the story, and given how good it's been up till this point, I'd say it's hardly the time to be dismissing this show. |
Dangerr said: No the problem is with the actual twistI don't get all the complaining. Even if there ends up being a genre-shift, it doesn't negate all the good writing up until this point. It'll certainly be more challenging to keep up the level of quality, but this is hardly indicative of the show failing; in fact, it may end up better for it. The showrunners clearly have a plan for where they want to take the story, and given how good it's been up till this point, I'd say it's hardly the time to be dismissing this show. This twist had no build up, structure, foreshadowing, nor hints to it. It came out of absolutely no where which is just cheap and poor writing especially appearing this deep in a series. Thats where the issues come from, ahd they actually put in intrigue prior to the episode it would have justified how the series becomes a normal sentai series by ep 9 which is essentially confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt now |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Umm... what just happened? I thought this wasn't going to be sci-fi? I would prefer if it did go down this route and Samurai Flamenco gets the costume he wears in the opening, but I thought the ending was just a dream, yet instead of waking up the episode just ended. So... Idk. I do know that I don't want it to be fake, although, it most likely is. And I loved the part where Goto is trying to make Masayoshi feel better. Since Goto has Sugita Tomokazu as a seiyu and his speech was weird as hell, calling him a hentai and also that he trusts hentais, it reminded me of Gin from Gintama. It was a little nostalgic. |
dragonlight said: Its real, the episode descriptions for ep 8 and 9 confirm that it happened and that there will be a time skip where its a generic super sentai world and monster attacks are completely common occuranceswaking up the episode just ended. So... Idk. I do know that I don't want it to be fake, although, it most likely is. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| um wut... That whole last part seemed so out of place. The whole show has been somewhat realistic, fun, comedic, and such. Then some guy turns into a robot monkey with a guillotine in his chest...... Are you Serious Bro? I thought it was acting or something. Well they just got in over their head.... |
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JizzyHitler said: Dangerr said: No the problem is with the actual twistI don't get all the complaining. Even if there ends up being a genre-shift, it doesn't negate all the good writing up until this point. It'll certainly be more challenging to keep up the level of quality, but this is hardly indicative of the show failing; in fact, it may end up better for it. The showrunners clearly have a plan for where they want to take the story, and given how good it's been up till this point, I'd say it's hardly the time to be dismissing this show. This twist had no build up, structure, foreshadowing, nor hints to it. It came out of absolutely no where which is just cheap and poor writing especially appearing this deep in a series. Thats where the issues come from, ahd they actually put in intrigue prior to the episode it would have justified how the series becomes a normal sentai series by ep 9 which is essentially confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt now A twist doesn't have to be telegraphed to be good. Sure, it definitely needs to explain itself, but as long as it can can do so effectively, then I don't think that's bad writing. It's meant to be jarring and cause confusion for the audience. To me, there's obviously more here than meets the eye, and how abruptly shit has started hitting the fan is going to play hugely into the show's story. It's been a good while since anything's genuinely surprised me, and this did it. Of course, I'm not giving the show a free pass for that - they've upped the ante, and they now have more to prove. But I'm excited. |
Dangerr said: JizzyHitler said: Dangerr said: No the problem is with the actual twistI don't get all the complaining. Even if there ends up being a genre-shift, it doesn't negate all the good writing up until this point. It'll certainly be more challenging to keep up the level of quality, but this is hardly indicative of the show failing; in fact, it may end up better for it. The showrunners clearly have a plan for where they want to take the story, and given how good it's been up till this point, I'd say it's hardly the time to be dismissing this show. This twist had no build up, structure, foreshadowing, nor hints to it. It came out of absolutely no where which is just cheap and poor writing especially appearing this deep in a series. Thats where the issues come from, ahd they actually put in intrigue prior to the episode it would have justified how the series becomes a normal sentai series by ep 9 which is essentially confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt now A twist doesn't have to be telegraphed to be good. Sure, it definitely needs to explain itself, but as long as it can can do so effectively, then I don't think that's bad writing. It's meant to be jarring and cause confusion for the audience. To me, there's obviously more here than meets the eye, and how abruptly shit has started hitting the fan is going to play hugely into the show's story. It's been a good while since anything's genuinely surprised me, and this did it. Of course, I'm not giving the show a free pass for that - they've upped the ante, and they now have more to prove. But I'm excited. But the thing is, popping up out of thin air is just cheap, it doesnt matter if its explained afterwords, if theres absolutely no foreshadowing or structure tot he twist its already for naught the reason twsits such as friends identity in 20th century boys worked for example was that it was fair, you had multiple opportunities to guess as to who it is and how, it gives you the hints, no one guessed it cause they covered it up and you only notice the hints until after the reveal, the reason twists like bioshock's worked is because the twist is in front of your face the entire game but again you dont notice it until its revealed. without the build up or structure its just random, tell me how yould you have felt if in the middle of monster they drop a twist that tenma and johan have a psychic link with each other and johan can predict all of tenma's moves? Sounds random forced ruins a great feel of the show and is downright random right? thats this show with this twist This....its unfair, and the fact that it happens so late in a series that goes against essentially everything the series built up in the past 2 and a half hous is just poor writing of the highest caliber, its nothing short of a asspull and its a sspull of even higher than SAO levels. It pains me to say this about my once favorite show of the season especially form such a great director but this is one of the worst written plot twists iv ever seen simply cause its so bad and so poorly executed that it not only gives the opposite effect than intended but also destroys the entire series potential |
JizzyHitlerNov 22, 2013 7:41 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: It's way too early to call it an asspull, and again, there doesn't need to be hinting or foreshadowing for a twist like this to necessarily be good. How good it actually is will be a matter of retrospect, but given that we're only, what, not even a third of the way through, you can't tell me that they suddenly just decided that this would be a a cornball sentai show? I think what Rodac said is a pretty good guess at what's going on - that what we've been served is merely the prologue. What we've been shown thus far is a world not far off from our own, relatively grounded in reality, and one that clamors for heroics like those seen in sentai programs. But suddenly, fantastical stuff is starting to happen, and it's through such extraordinary circumstances like this that Samurai Flamenco has the chance to go from public crime fighting novelty to something truly legendary. We could take that at face-value if it were a normal action show, but we've been treated to something better these last seven episodes; something that delves into the heart and soul of these characters and the public in general. I can't simply write that all off because the show's attempting to do something daring (even if there's the chance of failure).Dangerr said: JizzyHitler said: Dangerr said: No the problem is with the actual twistI don't get all the complaining. Even if there ends up being a genre-shift, it doesn't negate all the good writing up until this point. It'll certainly be more challenging to keep up the level of quality, but this is hardly indicative of the show failing; in fact, it may end up better for it. The showrunners clearly have a plan for where they want to take the story, and given how good it's been up till this point, I'd say it's hardly the time to be dismissing this show. This twist had no build up, structure, foreshadowing, nor hints to it. It came out of absolutely no where which is just cheap and poor writing especially appearing this deep in a series. Thats where the issues come from, ahd they actually put in intrigue prior to the episode it would have justified how the series becomes a normal sentai series by ep 9 which is essentially confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt now A twist doesn't have to be telegraphed to be good. Sure, it definitely needs to explain itself, but as long as it can can do so effectively, then I don't think that's bad writing. It's meant to be jarring and cause confusion for the audience. To me, there's obviously more here than meets the eye, and how abruptly shit has started hitting the fan is going to play hugely into the show's story. It's been a good while since anything's genuinely surprised me, and this did it. Of course, I'm not giving the show a free pass for that - they've upped the ante, and they now have more to prove. But I'm excited. But the thing is, popping up out of thin air is just cheap, it doesnt matter if its explained afterwords, if theres absolutely no foreshadowing or structure tot he twist its already for naught the reason twsits such as friends identity in 20th century boys worked for example was that it was fair, you had multiple opportunities to guess as to who it is and how, it gives you the hints, no one guessed it cause they covered it up and you only notice the hints until after the reveal, the reason twists like bioshock's worked is because the twist is in front of your face the entire game but again you dont notice it until its revealed. without the build up or structure its just random, tell me how yould you ahve felt if in the middle of monster they drop a twist that tenma and johan have a pychic link with each other and jophan can predict all of tenma's moves? Sounds random forced ruins a great feel of the show and is downright random right? thats this show with this twist This....its unfair, and the fact that it happens so late in a series that goes against essentially everything the series built up in the past 2 and a half hous is just poor writing of the highest caliber, its nothing short of a asspull and its a sspull of even higher than SAO levels. It pains me to say this about my once favorite show of the season especially form such a great director but this is one of the worst written plot twists iv ever seen simply cause its so bad and so poorly executed that it not only gives the opposite effect than intended but also destroys the entire series potential I'm personally guessing at something meta here. It could go on for episodes, or even the rest of the series, but what if we're seeing a show within a show? What if there's even more psychological delusion here than what we were led to believe? It's becoming increasingly evident that we should not fully trust what we're seeing on screen with each passing episode in this series, and this last bit kind of sealed the deal with me. You're entitled to believe that this is a crappy twist, but I think you're making that judgement far too early, which I think is unfair. |
DangerrNov 22, 2013 8:09 PM
| WTF just happened? Are they going to keep this supernatural thing going or is it a dream/tv show? I like superhero stuff and comic books but c'mon. I thought the somewhat grounded and realistic tone fit the show well. If they wanted to go dark and edgy, they could've just introduced a gang or a mob or something that would brutally cut up their victims. |
TupacTheRobot said: GUILLOTINE GORILLA My thoughts exactly. |
| I reserve judgement until I see where this is going... My money right now is on that d-bag Akira "making things interesting". He clearly is obsessed with SF, and he's got money to burn, as evidenced by his 10 million yen bounty from before. He's less concerned about SF's identity than he was before (he pretty much knows anyway), so he's apparently moving on to bigger things. Heroes and Superheroes often live in worlds that are perpetual arms races between the forces of good and evil. The Good Guys always have to keep getting stronger, gaining new abilities, weapons, etc in order to keep battling the escalating power of the Bad Guys, who are always trying to get one step ahead. Flamenco started battling (and losing to) a bunch of middle school punks, and he's gradually been getting tougher ever since. So what's next after he can pretty much take down most of your common street thugs? Time to upgrade to real villains! I do think that the ending was just a little too abrupt though. The entire "chief for a day" (monkey included) scene was only ~3.5 minutes long, and the monkey showed up only ~45 seconds into it. It was basically Scene change>drugs>monkey>blood>The End. Even if they intentionally wanted to make the twist sudden, they should have budgeted at least 5-7 minutes on it, just to transition into the scene better. They could have omitted the ED this week to buy a little more time. |
camusnotdead said: SHHHHH, dont start criticizing a extremely flawed plotpoint, people will get mad at youWhat is up with this season? They keep Destroying series with promising potential. Coppelion - Full retard, the anime Galilei Donna - Plot device, the anime Arpeggio - We dont have any idea about what we want to do And now, Samurai Flamenco. I only hope that the TV/movie setting theory is true. If not, it really is the crappiest plot twist/genre change I´ve ever seen. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I did not expect that to happen. It looked like a good ol' anime that kids might watch and then BOOM! people start dying. I wonder what direction this anime is going. So far so good. |
| Ahh...I just remembered this is on the noitamina block. To think I even considered this to be a SoL hero show...naive thoughts. I'm convinced that last scene wasn't a dream and things will only get darker. Hell there's coldblooded mass shooting in Galilei Donna, a seemingly innocent show. Also, if the numbers are accurate, Samumenco vol. 1 isn't quite selling well. This controversial episode should boost it a bit or the coming volumes. |
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JizzyHitler said: this is just not true. Read my earlier post for hints and foreshadowing: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=693561&show=120#msg26508581This twist had no build up, structure, foreshadowing, nor hints to it. It came out of absolutely no where JizzyHitler said: so what exactly in your opinion did the series built up in the past 2 and a half hours and how exactly does it go against a twist in the ep.7? And why at all is it late? We have 22 episodes altogether - 70% of the show still lies ahead. Yeah, OK, would be nicer if they could cut it to 5-6 episode rather than 7, I could agree to that. But it's still been done pretty well in time for a prologue arc.the fact that it happens so late in a series that goes against essentially everything the series built up in the past 2 and a half hous is just poor writing of the highest caliber JizzyHitler said: I think it's a little too early to judge the show as a whole. Even those episodes have not aired yet. And just because an episode one-line synopsis looks like generic sentai, it doesn't mean that the actual theme of the show is fighting monstrous creatures. GZeppeli said: wow this sounds horrible, it really does end up becoming a generic sentai showSomeone on thecartdriver shared a much better translation here, and one for episode 9's summary as well: http://thecartdriver.com/samurai-flamenco-episode-7-if-youre-viewing-this-post-in-the-future-yes-this-is-that-episode/#comment-97474 If I were to make my bets, I'd rather think of "becoming a hero" as one of the premises of the story. For instance, why do you think King Torture made its appearance just now? Why did it have to wait until Samurai Flamenco became strong enough? It was not very logical from the stand point of all evil. Have you considered that the reason why KT at all appears is solely to balance a hero of the city? Have you thought about the fact that fighting for justice, dividing good from evil, generates thus BOTH good AND evil? Think about it. Or didn't you notice the mentally unstable character of Mari? How do you expect SF and SG to interact now, when the scale of the problem they have to deal with has grown tremendously? How will their behaviour be perceived by society? Remember that Masayoshi and Mari have completely different opinions about justice. So they will act differently. And that's not all that comes to mind. There's a lot left for other conflicts and twists pretty much everywhere. So just because the show uses sentai elements to deliver the messages, doesn't mean it's you generic sentai series. You should learn more about the deconstruction as a tool to tell a story. As another example, why is the main villain depicted with a cactus on its head? Think about it. |
soulelleNov 22, 2013 8:59 PM
soulelle said: If I were to make my bets, I'd rather think of "becoming a hero" as one of the premises of the story. For instance, why do you think King Torture made its appearance just now? Why did it have to wait until Samurai Flamenco became strong enough? It was not very logical from the stand point of all evil. Have you considered that the reason why KT at all appears is solely to balance a hero of the city? Have you thought about the fact that fighting for justice, dividing good from evil, generates thus BOTH good AND evil? Think about it. Or didn't you notice the mentally unstable character of Mari? How do you expect SF and SG to interact now, when the scale of the problem they have to deal with has grown tremendously? How will their behaviour be perceived by society? Remember that Masayoshi and Mari have completely different opinions about justice. So they will act differently. I think there also's the possibility of disillusionment facing Hazama; all his life he's obsessed over the idea of becoming a hero like the ones he's grown up with over the TV - delivering his brand of white justice to the villains' black evil. And he probably thought it would be fun; an adventure. A fulfilling form of escapism from the dullness of reality, though he tells himself it's purely for a higher cause. But then, with psychotic monsters wreaking havoc, he's probably going to see a lot of horrible, grizzly things. Being a hero won't turn out to be the wholesome, escapist fun he thought he was in for. People are going to die, and life is going to suck. His convictions are going to be tested, and he'll have to face the realization that the cause cause of this nightmare was a response brought on by his grandstanding; that he's somehow responsible for what's been set in motion. At least, that's just a guess. There's so many possible routes this story could take, that I can't really understand the notion that this show's destroyed its own potential. |
| So I went through this episode... I see they are dealing with a hero slump since no evil is happening... and then the truth about Masayoshi's parents... I thought this would be the new goal even if it kinda doesn't match the mood the past 6 episodes did to the anime... and then a freaking Power Rangers like opponent appeared! Guillotine Gorilla! Dang. I thought this would be just a slice of life... but it seems this is a Tokusatsu show in anime form! Holy. King Torture! My goodness. My love for this anime has grown even more. |
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| Whilst the scene itself was undeniably fantastic and made great use of shock value, depending on how they expand on it in the following episodes could make or break this series. |
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| It kind of goes without saying that the ending was so surreal as to pretty much instantly make the next episode make it or break it time. |
| WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!!!!! O_O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy twist??! I thought it might be the drama he was supposed to shoot as well but but that was?? I don't..what.. Probably the most shocking turn of events ever. |
| The story has essentially just begun. SF became a real hero and saved the city from itself. There was nothing left for him to do. The anime probably would have stopped then if not for this. |
| wat |
soulelle said: Remember that Masayoshi and Mari have completely different opinions about justice. So they will act differently. Flamenco Girl should be pleased. Using ultraviolence against monsters will probably be seen in more positive light by the people when it's used against actual monsters. Dangerr said: His convictions are going to be tested, and he'll have to face the realization that the cause cause of this nightmare was a response brought on by his grandstanding; that he's somehow responsible for what's been set in motion. He's doing good so far, considering how he actually did start fighting against a huge gorilla with guillotine on its stomach, after only a brief moment of hesitation. Also, that latter thing does seem likely in this situation. It also gives a way for the show to end, if elaborated upon: After defeating King Torture, Masayoshi will quit being a hero, realizing that more villains would show up if he's active. (Although I'm not sure if Flamenco Girl would do the same thing in that scenario though, so it kind of falls apart on that...) |
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| Dafuq, those 5 mins This twistplot is damn insane King Torture -.-... |
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| Looks like viewership will be on the rise and that can only be a good thing, regardless of where this story leads. |
| What a mood whiplash! |
| okay but what the fuck was that |
| light hearted anime turned in this OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Omfg just what the hell happened? So mindfuck. |
| wait...what??? |
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